4 things I hate about the Sig Cross

Okay… so the title is click bait. It’s a fantastic rifle but there really are 4 things that could be improved.
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[@donaldholmes9200]

Yep. Almost exactly the things that caused me to pass early on the Cross. I still like the rifle and assume these things will work themselves out over time. I may revisit it in a few years.

[@735Secure]

How’s your Cross shooting with good factory ammo, with and without the suppressor? I’m getting right at or slightly below 1moa 5 shot groups measured with calipers with good factory ammo. Adding a suppressor slightly opens up my groups. I certainly understand the reasons but I’m slightly disappointed that groups enlarge. Trying to find a good tuner that I can use with the suppressor but there aren’t many good choices that I’m aware of out there. BTW added the extended full length top rail from Sig and it’s opened up all types of options for a fast shooting all purpose rifle, plus I can add my thermal if necessary!

[@TomRussellatAFA]

Very nice Steve. If you and Hank make it to the pistol class, bring this out so we can take a look. I don't believe they're offering it with a left-handed action so that diminishes my interest for my use quite a bit. Have you thought about having the factory barreled turned down? Also, you, the Colonel, and I all share the same opinion regarding textured bolt knobs.

[@735Secure]

My other complaint about the Cross is that until recently they didn’t have a full rail option part (extended over the hand guard) for either a scout scope or in my case I’d like to have the option to add my thermal in front of my day scope. They now offer it but for $150! Unfortunately for me it’s a must have so I’m ordering one. Thanks for your logical, well communicated and informative videos.

[@735Secure]

Btw, get a real scope, that vortex is a toy with a lot of influencers 😀. Sorry couldn’t resist that and thanks for all your videos. I’m going thru deciding the optics for mine - right now I have an older Nikon Monarch on it that I took off of another rifle. Last week I stopped by GreenTop and compared all the top tier scopes side by side. For the money, it’s hard to beat Swarovski, Leupold, and Zeiss. Night Force is amazing but at a higher price point. In my experience, even Vortex Gen III is not in the same league as the top 4 I mentioned. Cheers.

[@dogbark100]

That was a fantastic breakdown on the trigger! I love the trigger myself, but can’t argue with you: good or very good, but not great. (Still love my Cross, though.) Keep up the great content!

[@Nikotromus]

I think the Sig Cross STX addresses 3 of your 4 concerns.

[@cliffy109]

LOL... Yup... but it also adds another pound of weight. I hope you and others recognize the tongue in cheek nature of my title. I don't hate the rifle at all. I do wish it were about a pound lighter and I have since replaced the bolt knob. I've got a lighter suppressor in NFA jail so that will help. Maybe someday my bank account will allow for the purchase of a carbon fiber barrel and then it will be just about perfect.

[@Nikotromus]

@@cliffy109 - Oh I can tell you really like the Sig. It seems like a great choice to me. Quick question for you. If you could do it again, would you go with the original cross, or the STX?

[@cliffy109]

@@Nikotromus nope. I value weight over the other things. Although they now have the lighter version but that isn’t tremendously lighter yet loses the stock that I like so much

[@SeanGCO]

Vortex razor LHT is the answer! I have on mine and ran in long range classes!

[@cliffy109]

That's a great choice and I looked at that. It is not front focal plane and with a max magnification of 15, that might not be the worst thing but it is what kept if off my list.

[@ripkej77]

Just picked up the 308. Ideally I wanted something more for target shooting the goal would be to reach out at 1000 yards . The Remington 7400 semi auto 30-06 is my other long rifle and honestly it’s been good but wanted something more precise .

[@cliffy109]

You made a great choice. Despite the title of this video, I really love this rifle

[@ripkej77]

@@cliffy109 Just sent 40 rounds down range No issue other then me lol

[@clcmarc]

I like your comment on the weight. Get it scoped up w muzzle break and an arca rail and you will be pushing 10 pounds. I don’t mind the 10 pounds but give me 4” more barrel to maximize the 6.5CM velo with hunting rounds.

[@mftoutdoors7483]

Got one in 6.5 Creed. Love it, that’s coming from someone who owns others 4 times as much.

[@healthfreak79]

Full safety locks the trigger and bolt. Half safety locks the trigger but still allows you to work the bolt, correct?

[@cliffy109]

No. The Sig does not lock the bolt. That would be nice

[@TheBostic2000]

What is the bipod on there, I've been looking for something like that and all the stores tell me I'm crazy and say that's not even a real thing....

[@cliffy109]

That is the Spartan Valhalla. Very stable and quick to attach. Not cheap though

[@Sambomoses]

Does the safety lock the bolt that would be so nice

[@cliffy109]

It does not. That would be nice

[@ryanlopez4550]

in one of the safety positions can you open the bolt?

[@cliffy109]

The bolt can be opened in both positions.

[@taylorcleblanc]

Adding a suppressor and a 28 ounce scope then proceeds to complain about weight... Adding those to any rifle would add a lot of weight. And you can add any bolt knob you want. The safety cylinder needs fixing though. It isnt rocket science.

[@ryankirkwood3449]

Is the Cross in the video the original Cross, 16" barrel?

[@cliffy109]

The 6.5 has an 18” barrel but yes, this is the base configuration

[@rossauce12]

I have one in 6.5 i have been through 5 scopes so far theres something wrong with everyone i just returned a PA glx 4.5-27x56 too heavy and just not right fit..im goin tenmile next... two questions. What scope do u have and what is that thing at the end of ur rail. Is that to hold?

[@rossauce12]

I see vortex but I guess I was seeing what reticle is in there

[@cliffy109]

The scope I have is the Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18X44 and I'm very happy with it so far. Great reticle, lightweight (relatively) and loads of internal adjustment. I looked at the Tenmile 3-18 and it only has 17.4 mils of internal adjustment and that isn't sufficient for what I'm trying to accomplish. The spigot on the end is the mounting point for the Spartan Valhalla bipod. Very light and quick detach and it is quite stable. I probably would have been better with something heavier but QD with an arca rail.

[@rossauce12]

​@@cliffy109 I don't think il ever shoot more than 1k yards at a Max distance. If I needed I guess I could turn the tenmile 3 mils and get 20.5 with the reticle. But honestly il hardly ever shoot more than 300

[@cliffy109]

@@rossauce12 That's an honest assessment and if you're looking at a 300 yard gun, that Tenmile will do just fine. Keep in mind that the 17.45 miles of internal on that scope is TOTAL adjustment range and that means about 8.5 up and 8.5 downward adjustments. On a short barrel .308, that means you top out at less than 850. Again, you might be fine with that, but if you're taking classes or want to get the most out of the rifle, you might want to explore other optical solutions. Adding a 20 MOA base would take care of things as well.

[@JNOSNOW]

I am loving the tirjicon credos for the quality vs price vs reticles. I have a 2.5-15 credo HX on my Cross .308.

[@Sambomoses]

I really just wanted to tell ya I feel your pain on being a lefty I fall in love with a gun and just don't buy one because I think that they will eventually make a left handed one but they nvr do

[@scoutdynamics3272]

Scout Rifle or Machaira rifle platform?

[@cliffy109]

Machaira. Definitely not a scout

[@scoutdynamics3272]

@@cliffy109 You definitely earned my respect! By all rights, you could have named your concept some form of hyphenated Scout or Scout Derivative such as "Long Range Scout" "Scout LR", Or "Fort Mudge Scout". Being a modified Scout rifle. Instead, you decided to come up with the name Machaira. AND you put it through the Scout rifle course of fire! I have a Remington 700 Varmiter as my "Long range rifle" It is my intention to modify it into your Machaira Rifle. Off to the gunsmith to get the barrel cut down!

[@cerebralfirearms]

Good video but the click bait is a bit cringe. Don’t sell yourself short, your content was good enough to pull people in. I want one of these but it is between this and the fix or PSA HK looking forgery.

[@arcxcc]

i wouldnt call it click bait. i actually looked for a video specifically talking about peeves of the rifle to convince me not to buy it and the title was helpful in finding it

[@cerebralfirearms]

@@arcxcc building off what he said at the end…..

[@dad3562]

Man, these are all extremely valid points!

[@baileymoto]

I’m surprised you bring up weight. It’s pretty much the same weight as a traditional hunting rifle in a similar caliber, but with far more features. If anything, it’s very lightweight for what it offers.

[@cliffy109]

Coming from a scout rifle, it’s heavy. All relative I know

[@baileymoto]

@@cliffy109 It’s the same weight as a Steyr scout rifle and more than a full pound less than a savage 110 scout. :P

[@cliffy109]

@@baileymoto the Steyr is too heavy as well. Removing the flimsy bipod knocks 8 ounces off and that helps. The Cross with a carbon fiber barrel would be a great starting point to start adding back on the things that are needed for a real general purpose rifle. The lighter the base rifle, the more can be added and keep it handy

[@Biggestchungus163]

@@cliffy109 I got a 24” 277 fury carbon wrapped barrel from straight jacket armory and it’s rad. I did pay almost $1000 but I was able to sell my old one for a couple hundred. The rifle is under 6lbs now and is a serious performer

[@cliffy109]

@@Biggestchungus163 I’ve been looking at the Proof barrels. Might have to do that someday

[@cynickicksass]

#1. It's not a Fix.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Well its a hunting rifle version so i yhink its spot on what it needs to be. You should of bought the range model.

[@TheMagics_]

Nah this dude gotta work for the ATF, soft hands brother.

[@vincentdimick7012]

If this gun is used as, marketed and intended, a hunting rifle; I don’t mind the mag release being difficult. I actually prefer it that way. Sorry for the toxic masculinity but… Lift weights or do yard work and develop calluses on your hands and the bolt knob isn’t any irritation either.

[@cliffy109]

LOL... you've clearly never taken a scout or practical rifle class where you're running the gun hard for several days and putting 5-600 rounds down range in that time. Do that and you'll see that "masculinity" has nothing to do with it. A large, smooth bolt knob is a real advantage. You will not find this out with a bench shooting session or a day of hunting in the field. Same holds true for the stiff mag release. Again, a range session and hunting don't reveal these things but running a gun hard will.

[@vincentdimick7012]

@@cliffy109 I haven’t, I’m just saying the rifle is designed for hunting. If I were to take a practical use rifle course I would pick an appropriate rifle for practical use. I’m a backcountry hunter that lives in the West; unintentionally dropping a mag 6 miles back on the trail is a total bummer. You’ve “clearly” never done that LOL. The mag release is appropriately designed to protect magazines from getting lost in the backcountry which I appreciate. That being said, as the cross becomes more popular, I hope the aftermarket options ramp up. It would be cool to be able to have more options on the hand-guard, bolt knob, mag release, trigger etc.

[@cliffy109]

@@vincentdimick7012 Fair enough. I run my guns hard and the Cross to me is a true general purpose rifle. It isn't a specialty rifle. Running a gun at classes is part of that. I completely get the mag drop problem which is why I carry a spare at ALL times, but I'm guessing you do too. I'm becoming a fan of this gun. My complaints are really nit-picks because the rifle itself is really well done.

[@arkoutarkout3654]

​@@vincentdimick7012you go 6miles back and don't have a second mag with you ?

[@vincentdimick7012]

@@arkoutarkout3654 I carry one in my bino harness and one in the gun. Still sucks to drop mags. Specially when they’re tikka mags and cost many dollars of money.

[@eyeamwatching]

Tikka

[@mirekslechta7161]

Gun is perfect in many ways, however accuracy could be much better. Tikka is cheaper and shoots much better. Why? Must be because of very average barrel quality and it is a problem. The most important part(barrel) should be flawless. I wanted this rifle because of everything untill I found out, that everyone who bought it was far from Tikka(average rifle) accuracy... With a Krieger barrel it would shine and such quality barrel could be also thinner, it would shave some weight without any carbon and accuracy would still be imroved greatly....