4 things I hate about the Sig Cross

[@donaldholmes9200]

Yep. Almost exactly the things that caused me to pass early on the Cross. I still like the rifle and assume these things will work themselves out over time. I may revisit it in a few years.

[@biggs8729]

The vision of the SIG cross is that it was a hunting match capable rifle. The magazine release being inside the trigger guard is purposely put there so that hunters don’t loose their magazines out of their rifle while hiking around the woods. The Hawkins M5 bottom metal on my hunting rifle has the same style magazine release. It would be a pain in the butt for competition, but I very much appreciate it for hunting.

[@735Secure]

My other complaint about the Cross is that until recently they didn’t have a full rail option part (extended over the hand guard) for either a scout scope or in my case I’d like to have the option to add my thermal in front of my day scope. They now offer it but for $150! Unfortunately for me it’s a must have so I’m ordering one. Thanks for your logical, well communicated and informative videos.

[@735Secure]

Btw, get a real scope, that vortex is a toy with a lot of influencers 😀. Sorry couldn’t resist that and thanks for all your videos. I’m going thru deciding the optics for mine - right now I have an older Nikon Monarch on it that I took off of another rifle. Last week I stopped by GreenTop and compared all the top tier scopes side by side. For the money, it’s hard to beat Swarovski, Leupold, and Zeiss. Night Force is amazing but at a higher price point. In my experience, even Vortex Gen III is not in the same league as the top 4 I mentioned. Cheers.

[@ripkej77]

Just picked up the 308. Ideally I wanted something more for target shooting the goal would be to reach out at 1000 yards . The Remington 7400 semi auto 30-06 is my other long rifle and honestly it’s been good but wanted something more precise .

[@cliffy109]

You made a great choice. Despite the title of this video, I really love this rifle

[@ripkej77]

@@cliffy109 Just sent 40 rounds down range No issue other then me lol

[@735Secure]

How’s your Cross shooting with good factory ammo, with and without the suppressor? I’m getting right at or slightly below 1moa 5 shot groups measured with calipers with good factory ammo. Adding a suppressor slightly opens up my groups. I certainly understand the reasons but I’m slightly disappointed that groups enlarge. Trying to find a good tuner that I can use with the suppressor but there aren’t many good choices that I’m aware of out there. BTW added the extended full length top rail from Sig and it’s opened up all types of options for a fast shooting all purpose rifle, plus I can add my thermal if necessary!

[@TomRussellatAFA]

Very nice Steve. If you and Hank make it to the pistol class, bring this out so we can take a look. I don't believe they're offering it with a left-handed action so that diminishes my interest for my use quite a bit. Have you thought about having the factory barreled turned down? Also, you, the Colonel, and I all share the same opinion regarding textured bolt knobs.

[@ajdube9967]

The trigger The trigger The trigger The trigger And a bonus no after market trigger option. But to be fair my main gun has a Triggertech Diamond single stage set to 1.5 lb.

[@Mike-qd1cl]

The extra detint in the safety post recall is a side-effect of the mechanism in the trigger/safety. There is a site with diagrams explaining why/how it happens, it wasn't intentional persay, but it's not a failure either, but rather a side effect.. Also, with an AAC jaeger 39 can, harris CF bipod and BDX3.5-10 I'm still under 10lbs with a full-sized can on the 18" cross. Weight is fine by me!

[@ripHalo0002]

Very informative video amd a short length, thanks

[@taylorcleblanc]

Adding a suppressor and a 28 ounce scope then proceeds to complain about weight... Adding those to any rifle would add a lot of weight. And you can add any bolt knob you want. The safety cylinder needs fixing though. It isnt rocket science.

[@mftoutdoors7483]

Got one in 6.5 Creed. Love it, that’s coming from someone who owns others 4 times as much.

[@Brody-qi9jd]

With the safety. my Savage 270 has the same thing half safe you CAN open the bolt and not pull the trigger full safe you CAN'T open the bolt or pull the trigger I really like it

[@ryanlopez4550]

in one of the safety positions can you open the bolt?

[@cliffy109]

The bolt can be opened in both positions.

[@TheBostic2000]

What is the bipod on there, I've been looking for something like that and all the stores tell me I'm crazy and say that's not even a real thing....

[@cliffy109]

That is the Spartan Valhalla. Very stable and quick to attach. Not cheap though

[@dogbark100]

That was a fantastic breakdown on the trigger! I love the trigger myself, but can’t argue with you: good or very good, but not great. (Still love my Cross, though.) Keep up the great content!

[@clcmarc]

I like your comment on the weight. Get it scoped up w muzzle break and an arca rail and you will be pushing 10 pounds. I don’t mind the 10 pounds but give me 4” more barrel to maximize the 6.5CM velo with hunting rounds.

[@pablomuszalski3076]

Just a question... for short range hunting... wich on do you prefer? Steyr or Sig Cross?

[@cliffy109]

Inside of 250, the Steyr is hand's down more handy. If limited to that range, I'd chose the Steyr. It is only when you start expecting longer range performance without destroying handiness that the Sig comes into play.

[@dethtour]

I have the cross in 308. It's a work horse rifle. It's not cheap.... but it's sturdy. It folds. It has alot of customization. My old complaint has been that there is no options for the trigger. If there was an aftermarket trigger or if it had an adjustable trigger. It would have made this the perfect hunting match grade rifle. It's not a deal breaker but to some it's a big deal having a lighter trigger.

[@Nikotromus]

I think the Sig Cross STX addresses 3 of your 4 concerns.

[@cliffy109]

LOL... Yup... but it also adds another pound of weight. I hope you and others recognize the tongue in cheek nature of my title. I don't hate the rifle at all. I do wish it were about a pound lighter and I have since replaced the bolt knob. I've got a lighter suppressor in NFA jail so that will help. Maybe someday my bank account will allow for the purchase of a carbon fiber barrel and then it will be just about perfect.

[@Nikotromus]

@@cliffy109 - Oh I can tell you really like the Sig. It seems like a great choice to me. Quick question for you. If you could do it again, would you go with the original cross, or the STX?

[@cliffy109]

@@Nikotromus nope. I value weight over the other things. Although they now have the lighter version but that isn’t tremendously lighter yet loses the stock that I like so much

[@tylerfrancis7]

Which was the concern it didn’t fix with the STX?

[@alanrawson-wg8io]

Well…. I guess it comes down to what you want to use it for. The over travel issue is the only one I have a problem with though a bit more leverage on the mag release would be better. The bolt knob doesn’t bother me. Welder/ machinist hands. As a hunting rifle for my area it’s great as is. A really long shot around here is maybe 100yds with a few exceptions.

[@devincook3278]

I love the bolt handle. But then again i have man hands

[@cliffy109]

LOL... you've never run one in a scout or practical rifle class have you? Man hands or not, you'll be wishing for a smooth, handle. Run it like a fighting rifle and you'll see the advantage.

[@healthfreak79]

Full safety locks the trigger and bolt. Half safety locks the trigger but still allows you to work the bolt, correct?

[@cliffy109]

No. The Sig does not lock the bolt. That would be nice

[@Sambomoses]

Does the safety lock the bolt that would be so nice

[@cliffy109]

It does not. That would be nice

[@AndraxusEQ]

Just curious, did you buy the rifle with that finish or take it somewhere to have it done?

[@cliffy109]

That's a factory finish. If I remember correctly, First Light Cypher is the name.

[@scoutdynamics3272]

Scout Rifle or Machaira rifle platform?

[@cliffy109]

Machaira. Definitely not a scout

[@scoutdynamics3272]

@@cliffy109 You definitely earned my respect! By all rights, you could have named your concept some form of hyphenated Scout or Scout Derivative such as "Long Range Scout" "Scout LR", Or "Fort Mudge Scout". Being a modified Scout rifle. Instead, you decided to come up with the name Machaira. AND you put it through the Scout rifle course of fire! I have a Remington 700 Varmiter as my "Long range rifle" It is my intention to modify it into your Machaira Rifle. Off to the gunsmith to get the barrel cut down!

[@baileymoto]

I’m surprised you bring up weight. It’s pretty much the same weight as a traditional hunting rifle in a similar caliber, but with far more features. If anything, it’s very lightweight for what it offers.

[@cliffy109]

Coming from a scout rifle, it’s heavy. All relative I know

[@baileymoto]

@@cliffy109 It’s the same weight as a Steyr scout rifle and more than a full pound less than a savage 110 scout. :P

[@cliffy109]

@@baileymoto the Steyr is too heavy as well. Removing the flimsy bipod knocks 8 ounces off and that helps. The Cross with a carbon fiber barrel would be a great starting point to start adding back on the things that are needed for a real general purpose rifle. The lighter the base rifle, the more can be added and keep it handy

[@Biggestchungus163]

@@cliffy109 I got a 24” 277 fury carbon wrapped barrel from straight jacket armory and it’s rad. I did pay almost $1000 but I was able to sell my old one for a couple hundred. The rifle is under 6lbs now and is a serious performer

[@cliffy109]

@@Biggestchungus163 I’ve been looking at the Proof barrels. Might have to do that someday

[@SeanGCO]

Vortex razor LHT is the answer! I have on mine and ran in long range classes!

[@cliffy109]

That's a great choice and I looked at that. It is not front focal plane and with a max magnification of 15, that might not be the worst thing but it is what kept if off my list.

[@Forest-Monk-Outdoors]

@@cliffy109 there is a LHT FFP in 4,5-22

[@cliffy109]

@@Forest-Monk-Outdoors that’s a bit more on the low end than I want but you’re right, it is a good choice

[@mrjeffjob]

I solved the scope magnification range issue. Leupold red dot side mount that keeps the sight square with the barrel. That gives me low end so I can go 5-25 on glass. So I have it covered from door kicker to ELR range. Two major things I don’t like about the platform. It has an interchangeable bolt head but no other head sizes. How awesome would this rifle be in 22 or 6 ARC? The other is no action wrenches available. Anywhere. So easy to swap bolt heads and barrels which would make this a modular one gun solution.

[@rossauce12]

I have one in 6.5 i have been through 5 scopes so far theres something wrong with everyone i just returned a PA glx 4.5-27x56 too heavy and just not right fit..im goin tenmile next... two questions. What scope do u have and what is that thing at the end of ur rail. Is that to hold?

[@rossauce12]

I see vortex but I guess I was seeing what reticle is in there

[@cliffy109]

The scope I have is the Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18X44 and I'm very happy with it so far. Great reticle, lightweight (relatively) and loads of internal adjustment. I looked at the Tenmile 3-18 and it only has 17.4 mils of internal adjustment and that isn't sufficient for what I'm trying to accomplish. The spigot on the end is the mounting point for the Spartan Valhalla bipod. Very light and quick detach and it is quite stable. I probably would have been better with something heavier but QD with an arca rail.

[@rossauce12]

​@@cliffy109 I don't think il ever shoot more than 1k yards at a Max distance. If I needed I guess I could turn the tenmile 3 mils and get 20.5 with the reticle. But honestly il hardly ever shoot more than 300

[@cliffy109]

@@rossauce12 That's an honest assessment and if you're looking at a 300 yard gun, that Tenmile will do just fine. Keep in mind that the 17.45 miles of internal on that scope is TOTAL adjustment range and that means about 8.5 up and 8.5 downward adjustments. On a short barrel .308, that means you top out at less than 850. Again, you might be fine with that, but if you're taking classes or want to get the most out of the rifle, you might want to explore other optical solutions. Adding a 20 MOA base would take care of things as well.

[@JNOSNOW]

I am loving the tirjicon credos for the quality vs price vs reticles. I have a 2.5-15 credo HX on my Cross .308.

[@ryankirkwood3449]

Is the Cross in the video the original Cross, 16" barrel?

[@cliffy109]

The 6.5 has an 18” barrel but yes, this is the base configuration

[@vincentdimick7012]

If this gun is used as, marketed and intended, a hunting rifle; I don’t mind the mag release being difficult. I actually prefer it that way. Sorry for the toxic masculinity but… Lift weights or do yard work and develop calluses on your hands and the bolt knob isn’t any irritation either.

[@cliffy109]

LOL... you've clearly never taken a scout or practical rifle class where you're running the gun hard for several days and putting 5-600 rounds down range in that time. Do that and you'll see that "masculinity" has nothing to do with it. A large, smooth bolt knob is a real advantage. You will not find this out with a bench shooting session or a day of hunting in the field. Same holds true for the stiff mag release. Again, a range session and hunting don't reveal these things but running a gun hard will.

[@vincentdimick7012]

@@cliffy109 I haven’t, I’m just saying the rifle is designed for hunting. If I were to take a practical use rifle course I would pick an appropriate rifle for practical use. I’m a backcountry hunter that lives in the West; unintentionally dropping a mag 6 miles back on the trail is a total bummer. You’ve “clearly” never done that LOL. The mag release is appropriately designed to protect magazines from getting lost in the backcountry which I appreciate. That being said, as the cross becomes more popular, I hope the aftermarket options ramp up. It would be cool to be able to have more options on the hand-guard, bolt knob, mag release, trigger etc.

[@cliffy109]

@@vincentdimick7012 Fair enough. I run my guns hard and the Cross to me is a true general purpose rifle. It isn't a specialty rifle. Running a gun at classes is part of that. I completely get the mag drop problem which is why I carry a spare at ALL times, but I'm guessing you do too. I'm becoming a fan of this gun. My complaints are really nit-picks because the rifle itself is really well done.

[@arkoutarkout3654]

​@@vincentdimick7012you go 6miles back and don't have a second mag with you ?

[@vincentdimick7012]

@@arkoutarkout3654 I carry one in my bino harness and one in the gun. Still sucks to drop mags. Specially when they’re tikka mags and cost many dollars of money.

[@cerebralfirearms]

Good video but the click bait is a bit cringe. Don’t sell yourself short, your content was good enough to pull people in. I want one of these but it is between this and the fix or PSA HK looking forgery.

[@arcxcc]

i wouldnt call it click bait. i actually looked for a video specifically talking about peeves of the rifle to convince me not to buy it and the title was helpful in finding it

[@cerebralfirearms]

@@arcxcc building off what he said at the end…..

[@donger1975]

What suppressor are you using?

[@cliffy109]

@@donger1975 that’s the Silencerco Scythe Ti. Very light and effective. Couldn’t be happier with it

[@Sambomoses]

I really just wanted to tell ya I feel your pain on being a lefty I fall in love with a gun and just don't buy one because I think that they will eventually make a left handed one but they nvr do

[@AlabamaPilgrim333]

I sent my 308 cross back to the factory with accuracy issues only for them the shoot it at 35 meters and say “…it’s good.” For $50.00, they said they would take it out to 100. 2.75-3.0 moa. … and they still called it “good”. Was then boxed and sent back home. Won’t buy another.

[@stanhenline3547]

Try the q fix.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Well its a hunting rifle version so i yhink its spot on what it needs to be. You should of bought the range model.

[@darylnd]

I was tempted to bail when you started making SIG's excuses for them. The safety's behavior is inconsistent and may manifest over time. That's a bug, not a feature. On the bolt knob and the trigger, I agree with you. The mag release is a mixed bag: it may be an irritation over the course of a practical rifle class, but it protects against accidental release in the field. I'll go with the latter, myself.

[@billytheadult6247]

Fake. Cross is the least favorite of my PRS. Too light and inaccurate (as PRS rifles go), and hard to keep it from moving on the sand bag because of its lighter than usual weight. There are the observations of not a hunter, just a paper target slayer. For some reason very few creators in the community have the courage to be fully honest about the products they review. I like the cross, but there are several better choices out there for about the same price. 4:40 good trigger analogy. 5:00 Same issue with my HK940 another German mfg. Must run in the family.

[@dad3562]

Man, these are all extremely valid points!

[@TheMagics_]

Nah this dude gotta work for the ATF, soft hands brother.

[@mirekslechta7161]

Gun is perfect in many ways, however accuracy could be much better. Tikka is cheaper and shoots much better. Why? Must be because of very average barrel quality and it is a problem. The most important part(barrel) should be flawless. I wanted this rifle because of everything untill I found out, that everyone who bought it was far from Tikka(average rifle) accuracy... With a Krieger barrel it would shine and such quality barrel could be also thinner, it would shave some weight without any carbon and accuracy would still be imroved greatly....

[@cynickicksass]

#1. It's not a Fix.

[@SAPPER235PUNISHER]

I hate the sig cross for being overpriced and the poor accuracy out of tbe box. Gun needs some design modification to be better starting with that dumb pic rail on top that bolts across the upper and onto the handguard completly ruining the gun by pressuring on the handguard being artached to your optic making it worse than a non free floated barrel

[@armaliteAR10A4]

Sawtooth lol

[@barbaraknoebel4460]

The trigger is not very good. big overtravel, not enough movement on first stage,and a bit of creep

[@superseries7007]

Or just get a TIKKA.

[@eyeamwatching]

Tikka

[@marklemist6928]

The original sig cross was full auto.