Shocking Frame Generation results! 7900XT FSR+AFMF vs 4070Ti DLSS+FG

[@Munkhbayarkhavtgai]

Afmf 2 is out now full version

[@Reedg333]

Thank you for the ultrawide content! Quick question. In your bio, you said you're using "FSR3 fluid motion frames." I'm confused by this. AMD Fluid Motion Frames and FSR3 Frame Generation on not the same tech, which I'm sure you're aware of. AFMF is driver and FSR3 Frame Gen is implemented in game. But what is being used in this video? Or do you just use what's available? (IE FSR3 frame gen if its supported in game, AFMF if its not supported in-game)

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

Good question sorry if i was not clear enough in this video, on what is being used, I am using FSR3 FG if available in the game and if not I am using AFMF to get a wider sample size since i have a limited number of games available to me. I have seen no difference in the performance scaling between the two. Of the 5 overlapping games 4 use the ingame FSR3 FG and only D4 uses the driver AFMF. Of the 9 game sample 5 use in game and 4 use driver based AFMF.

[@Reedg333]

@@ultrawidetechchannel Got it thanks so much! And thanks again for the Ultrawide content I’m a huge fan of this channel and your work. I’m a little shocked at the scaling difference with frame gen! I’ve been on AMD (XTX) the past couple of years and I had no idea there was such a discrepancy at this tier of card. Super fascinating!

[@MouseSpart]

i upgraded from a 4070ti to the best 7900xtx there is on air cooling and the performance difference is huge, no need for metrics.

[@MrStoffzor]

Nitro+? Beautiful card. Was gonna let my 6900XT carry me to rDNA 4 or Blackwell, but switching from 1440p to 4k and playing Space Marine 2 made me impulse buy a 7900XTX. Beast of a card. I run it undervolted so it draws 360W and easily pushes 80-90 fps in that game.

[@Rohit-cj6eb]

•Btw frame generation is part of dlss like ray reconstruction and super resolution but afmf is different software from fsr •Fsr is used in any gpu but afmf only support amd gpu and igpu •frame generation with dlss(or dlss version 3.5 or 3.7) is only work with rtx 40 series gpu except 4050 which only support dlss version 3.0 •meanwhile to use both fsr 3.1 and afmf 2.0 amd redeon 6000 series or above gpu or 7000 series desktop apus or laptop with RDNA 3,700m and 800m igpu(zen 4 mobile processor like 7040,8040 can also support it with rdna 3) is required

[@Cake-ql8lh]

ive used AFMF2 from the beta version its so much better than AFMF1, i recommend you do the beta driver version

[@amcdonald7479]

Yea i tried this in throne and liberty on korea using a rx 6800. Was incredible on unreal 4 engine. The FSR since then was so much improved I dont use it anymore though.

[@Munkhbayarkhavtgai]

Yes afmf 2 is smother and much better latency compared to afmf 1

[@Muislye]

AFMF2 is now available in the new oficial patch

[@Munkhbayarkhavtgai]

@@Muislye really? Already

[@Yinco1]

Was using beta till I read your post lol

[@DeadlySins23]

AFMF 2 coming up soon for an even better experience!

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

Yes I'm looking forward to the full release, I hate the current slowdown on camera movement that the current driver version has.

[@Munkhbayarkhavtgai]

Afmf 2 is already out but it's just not full version afmf 2 is little bit better because you get much better latency compared to afmf 1 and lossless scaling.

[@amcdonald7479]

@@ultrawidetechchannel Ooh interesting. What game did you experience that on? I only tested it on unreal 4 MMOs. I wanted to experiment in throne and liberty with it standing among 400+ people :D No camera issues which ud think id get since the game runs on you swinging your camera around. Makes me feel its engine specific.

[@3izz99]

@@ultrawidetechchannel will you do another video test with amf2 vs nvidia FG?

[@amcdonald7479]

Just bought a 7900xt since its £630 in UK now compared to nearly £900 at release.

[@roki977]

i am also tempted to buy one with new prices. Lots of raw power with 20 gb seems quite future proof and usefull for more than just gaming,

[@afti03]

Great video! i also use a ultra wide monitor and i absolutely love it!

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

Ultrawides are the best, love them and want more of them.

[@alenspikic4523]

such a good video!!! i prefer frames over image quality in 100% situations... been gaming for 25+ years, games looked horrible back then, but we had fun... so frames> image quality

[@SilverWolfPL]

Well it would be good to compare both methods of frame gen not only for visual clarty but also for input lag. You can even add Losless Scaling to the mix as universal solution for both cards.

[@vktewari]

I have been getting the same results when comparing benchmarks of 7800xt and 4070 super even in some cases with RT Enabled.

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

Would it be possible for you to do some CPU benchmarks, just to see what kind of CPU performance is required to keep up with higher mid-range cards for 3440x1440 gameplay? I plan on building a pc in the near future with either 6950XT, 7900 GRE or 7900 XT. If I could get away with DDR4 platform (i.e. B450 board and 5700x3D), that would save a bit of cash to use on GPU and monitor

[@juliorosas86]

Excellent content. I have a question, I have a 49" super ultra wide monitor (3840x1080), I can't decide whether to buy a 7900XT or 7900XTX. Only for sim racing games like Assetto Corsa Competizione, Automobilista 2, Iracing. In my country the XTX costs 300 dollars more. I don't want to go for Nvidia. Thank you very much!

[@Mike-jm4gg]

Do you really need the additional 4 Gb vram and 17% uplift performance? If yes you take the xtx, otherwise the xt have a better value.

[@juliorosas86]

@@Mike-jm4gg The central point is Raster performance in simracing games. The vram difference in that sense is irrelevant.

[@Mike-jm4gg]

@@juliorosas86 then it’s even more easier…..do you reallly need the 17% uplift performance…if no get the 7900XT……it all depend of your fps target

[@gefa7213]

1000 thanks and congratulations for this video. I am about to buy the 27GS95QE-B which is g-sync compatible and freesync premium pro. I aimed the 8800xt, but the better quality of dlss makes me hesitate…Do you think it would compensate the advantage of the extended color gamut coming with the FPP (I don’t play competitive games)? Thanks again mister.

[@jelipebands1700]

4070ti-192bit bus with 12gigs of vram man nvidia’s cards age like milk. In 2015 gtx960 2gig vram and the gtx970 3.5gigs vram then 2016 gtx1060 3gigs vram 2019 rtx2060 6gigs vram and rtx2080 8gigs vram in 2020 rtx3070 8gigs vram and 3080 10gigs vram…

[@jonathonschott]

I would like to see the vram usage for these cards. I think some of your results can be attributed to the 8gb of vram that the 4070ti is missing. If the 4070ti is hitting a vram limit then making sweeping statements about the efficiency of one tech over the other is kind of disingenuous good sir. I am a huge fan of ultra wide and this is literally the only decent channel I've found that tests at resolutions I'm interested in, so please don't think this is an attack, but that is enough of a vram difference to make me question your methodology ever so slightly. Thank you for the work you do, keep it up.

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

If you check out the dedicated 4070Ti video about DLSS + Frame Generation I point out every place where the memory is holding the 4070Ti back.

[@rangersmith4652]

As a devoted WQHD user, this channel is very useful to me. I'm not a fan of upscaling or frame generation, but this analysis is actually brilliant and a great counter to constant clams that DLSS is superior for both. There is no objective measure of "image quality." One can easily point to shimmering, detail loss, etc., but it is far more difficult to know what's causing those things. For me, the graphics card choice is all about what does the job I want done while using resources in the most efficient way. Up-front price matters more to me than long-tern energy cost because electricity is pretty inexpensive where I live. And a generous VRAM buffer matters more to me than RT cores because ray tracing is far too great a performance killer no matter what GPU is in play. So most of my currently-in-use graphics cards are AMD.

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

I also am not a big frame generation user but I do see the value of Quality settings upscaling and the thing that is hurting AMD the most is FSR's image quality not matching DLSS. If they can get their FSR4 Ai upscaling out and equal to DLSS before Nvidia can improve their FG scaling then i think you will see a big shift in the conversation around these two brands.

[@rangersmith4652]

@@ultrawidetechchannel I agree with you on FSR-4, if it's really good, being a game changer for AMD. I just wish we were changing the game because of raw performance rather than because of parity in software trickery.

[@Kumoiwa]

AFMF at the driver level is game engine agnostic, which may seem as an advantage but is actually a disadvantage. Because it has no info from the game it has a lot more artifacts like for example distorting the game UI. At the end of the day, if you want to use Upscaling+Frame Generation then it's always Nvidia, as they don't compromise image quality thanks to their AI algorithms.

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

That is correct I cover this in the conclusion when I go over the advantages and disadvantages of picking each card. fyi of the 5 overlapping games 4 were using in game FSR3 FMF and only diablo was using driver AFMF.

[@roki977]

Few days ago i loaded cp2077 on my rx 7800xt and turn on everything to the max, even PT on 1440p with FSR perf and FG got 60 to 70 fps while not looking like complete trash like it used to look with AFMF1 and old FSR. I was quite shocked how it runs and look. I would still rather played with more than 100fps on high setting on native res but its nice to know.

[@Rohit-cj6eb]

This is a video i looking for

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

Thanks

[@afti03]

my 3080 can definitely handle this resolution.

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

It can no problem just stay away from Path Tracing only 4090 users can even reasonably consider using that option.

[@faelwin]

2:50 you should compare vs the ti super to be fair

[@DCT451]

you can have all the fps boots you want but what about image quality?

[@filipealves6602]

Hi. I just subscribed to the channel, but I have to say, you speak WAY too low for a content creator. I just switched apps to check if my earphones were dying or something, and they're not, they're still quite loud. This is all you. So please change your audio settings, your voice is so low that I need complete silence around me to be able to understand what you're saying, which isn't realistic. I think that even if you doubled your voice volume I still would stay at maximum volume, but at least I would be comfortable in hearing you. I hope you accept this bit of feedback. 21:9 best ultrawide. ✌️

[@joselejos]

I dont remember how AFMF works. Wasnt it smth that struggles to "generate" frames in movement? Like, if your standing still in a game, it will work just perfect, but any fast movement would decrease fps?

[@amcdonald7479]

AFMF 2 is up for download as a preview but near full release. It removes that completely. Can swing your mouse around all day without a stutter. AFMF 1 is garbage for real.

[@joselejos]

@@amcdonald7479 Thats nice. I will dig about this new feature, sounds interesting

[@Munkhbayarkhavtgai]

Afmf 2 i already got it before the full version relise and I saw it does have much better latency already.

[@MrSeb-S]

Better deal is 4070TI Super with 16gb☺

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

How is card with less VRAM, less performance and higher price tag a better deal?

[@MrSeb-S]

@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 4070TI S is better than 7900xt in raster, RT, Better upscaler, less wats more games with FG.

[@MrSeb-S]

Look at new games like Star wars, Wukong, Avatar. I'm not telling those games are amazing but about perf.

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

@@MrSeb-S You might want to check your benchmarks, 7900XT is ahead of 4070 TI Super in raster. Sure, raytracing is different topic, but barely anyone gives a damn about ray tracing even in 2024.

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

@@MrSeb-S watch?v=ePbKc6THvCM (skip to 11:24) - 127 average FPS, 108 1% lows for 7900XT, 120 average FPS, 102 1% lows for 4070 Ti Super

[@enajarro21]

How to add afmf

[@Munkhbayarkhavtgai]

Is it afmf 2 or 1?

[@Livebasura69]

This video makes no sense at all

[@Mike-jm4gg]

Can you explain why? I am interesting to know more.

[@mkatakm]

You made no graphical quality comparisons.

[@GamingPenguinEnthusiast]

There is really no comparison… Nvidia doesn’t crash your game, doesn’t crash your operating system, doesn’t display black screens in AAA games. Is it worth to save $50 and have all these headaches with AMD?

[@ultrawidetechchannel]

Oh I can make both Nvidia and AMD drivers crash no problem. One might say its a specialty of mine.

[@lieinking123]

Ive never really had these problems for the 5 years ive had amd cpu n gpu.

[@NephilimGod]

@@ultrawidetechchannel My 3060ti everytime i go beyond my little 8gigs of Vram Crash crash and more crash. Had to use DDU once not sure but you got lucky my friend.

[@RemySSC]

@GamingPenguinEnthusiast i have not crashed using a amd gpu sounds like a skill issue my friend

[@roki977]

until you buy cheapest Palit, PNY, MSI or Gigabyte models and realise omg i just gave 600$ for gpu with cooler and pcb from rtx 4050 and plastic back plate. Then you power that thing on and whole room smells like burned plastic and wind turbine starts to spin like crazy to keep gpu under 75c. Than after few months temps go nuts, vram over 100c, GPU over 80 and there is nothing you can do about it..That happened to my friend with MSI 4070 Super with two fans and they even do 4070 ti super with that cooler.