Shocking Scam Allegations In The Disc Golf World

[@joshwadley6521]

As a retailer, prodigy just doesn't move. We gave them a fair shake in 2018 and again in 2021. Unless it's 30% off then someone might want it.

[@JTNugget]

My friend owns a local disc golf shop here in Minnesota and Prodigy sells pretty well. Not as well as Innova or MVP, but probably ahead of most of the other brands. A lot of beginners come in and buy the Prodigy beginner pack. Also D3's seem to be a pretty big seller as well.

[@jamesfarabaugh6669]

My bitch about Prodigy (which is way less than the drama here): I ordered two of the Waco Sheriff Rippit discs the day they were released and both came in super ugly - bland colors and both with a flat white stamp. They were nowhere near as vibrant and shiny as the advertised discs. As I was hoping one would be a wall ornament, I wrote to them asking for an exchange and the response was basically sorry, but you get what you get. So yeah, not a scandal but definitely a disappointing experience.

[@txmxer]

Legit.

[@MA4King]

I ordered an F7 last year that was just as stable as a Champion Teebird. I called them to exchange it and they told me to pound sand they "Can't exchange any disk that has been thrown". Zero attempt to help me out or make it right. Other DG companies have gone way above and beyond when they didn't even have to. It was the last dollar Prodigy will ever get from me. I wanted to try multiple versions of putter plastics last winter with Gateway and called them for advice on which ones to buy to try and I ordered 4 of the same mold, they sent me 6 different plastics along with a personal note. They now have multiple spots in my bag with backups on the shelf.

[@jamesfarabaugh6669]

@@MA4King heh, I recently got a 400 F7 to replace my overly beat in Underworld. It’s definitely more stable than the underworld, but yesterday I got a pretty good flight out of it. So maybe we’re starting to get to know each other.

[@chefcosta]

Gannon Buhr may have been a minor, but he was not a child

[@djhollowman9567]

Though he 100% acts like one on the regular.

[@Mdjagg]

Im over playing in tournaments. The TD's are terrible at being transparent about how the money is being spent, and the amount of discs that i would never bag are endless. Ive never once gotten anything in a player's pack that was worth the tourney fee. Why not use all of the money for payouts and shop credit for AM's? The shops would benefit, and the players would get discs they wont just throw in the trash. Id rather play a cash game with some buds.

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

Totally agree with you

[@ExploreMore704]

Come to Charlotte, NC has great TDs that offer basically what you are talking about.

[@Mdjagg]

Id love to travel for DG, but it's not my top priority right now. If im there climbing, I'll definitely try to find a tourney there. Glad to hear they are doing it right there, ive heard nothing but good things about NC.

[@kerrykellett8717]

Texas is pretty solid as far as this goes. Steven storrie with DD has never failed me or not been accountable once.

[@kenneth6964]

I don't play tourneys anymore because I played 1 in 2022 (2days,3 rounds) 2 dudes shaved strokes on multiple holes. Two clearly did not give a damn about the in the circle one foot rules. And another was straight up drop kicking trees (very entertaining). Was not what I was expecting for sure. I thought there would be alot more sportsmanship. I called out first dude on stroke shaving. He said he made a mistake (sure bud). Second time I just was done. I was trying to play in a tournament. Not be an official. I would be cool with a every now and again. If I have to call someone out every round it's a problem .

[@xM4DD0Gx]

Immediately into this video and I'm already rolling my eyes. I'm not a Prodigy fan at all, but they didn't file a lawsuit against a child... they filed a lawsuit against a professional who was breaching their contract.

[@elderberrysnackshack6655]

Some of our local tournaments have a tip the TD section which i always happily pitch in for. They are a massive undertaking which is seldom held with gratitude. When it comes to siphoning money out of the community. This isnt a new concept but it doesnt last long. Receipts are an easy thing to ask for and or present. Over-valuing players packs is where its done most so that way they stay pdga compliant. People arent dumb. If its a trend people stop coming.

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

Love that idea. They really deserve a tip

[@elderberrysnackshack6655]

@wildrunsdiscgolf it's smooth when implemented in your discgolfscene registration. Also, it allows people to elect where their money is going. I would say I pitch in 90% of the time, but sometimes money is tight, so I don't contribute.

[@InbredJed82060]

I don't follow or care about any of beef or drama. They make wicked plastic though. Try to find 2 discs to replace the PA-5 or A5.

[@brooksy3069]

the zone beats the A5, every, single, time

[@Pr0Fr0]

...but you were watching this video, about Prodigy drama... a ton of it. Go blow Will and stfu.

[@ryanmussell739]

I like their H5 - understable fairway driver.

[@InbredJed82060]

@@brooksy3069 disagree. I was a zone guy for years. Everyone wants a beat in zone. The A5 is that out of that box. Exact same feel but a bit straighter.

[@brooksy3069]

@@InbredJed82060 i bet the A5 is solid, but the amount of consistent molds in prodigy is prob one of the lowest in the game, overall they're trash compared to other companies

[@Mikenewton4l]

I have played in a few of Matt’s tournaments in the last year and I’ll say this when it comes to the payout issue he seems to just reuse the same “About this tournament” post. So my thoughts on the bait and switch is he forgot to update it before posting for the finale. He allowed me to sign up for a tournament day of and even waived my PDGA fee for not being current. He has been nothing but kind to me, but I have had friends play in his events and had issues such as spray painted OB lines being removed by participants, and inconsistencies with payouts and trophies. His players packs are also just ok. The Star series I played last year he gave us a putter and one of the New Jerseys which is really uncomfortable.

[@peds8345]

Prodigy = Inconsistency. Been that way for years, but somehow has gotten even more inconsistent in recent years.

[@undertakingmiami]

Sir, there are no laws dictating that tournament staff can't be paid. Some are and my local club in our last board meeting brought the subject up and we will start paying the TD

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

I tried to state how important it is that they get more recognition and take home pay. What they can’t do is be dishonest

[@nehpetsttocsnosirrag6227]

No Prodigy for this guy. Sexual misconduct huh? How 🤔 does someone like that have a PR related job?

[@NickCarroll]

Sexual misconduct charges can be weaponized against people who didn't commit anything of the sort, and given there were no criminal charges filed or even a court hearing on the issue suggests we should give the benefit of the doubt here on this issue. There definitely could be some sort of dispute, and just cause with this guy, but lives have been ruined on false allegations, and usually the person who made them sees no repercussions from them. 🙂

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

Yeah definitely need to take it with a huge grain of salt cause almost nobody truly knows the situation

[@johnferrell3998]

First time seeing your videos and the way you break things down you had me laughing bro so I subscribed and keep it up

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

Thanks! I try to constantly critique myself which hopefully makes for better content every new upload

[@txmxer]

I've never understood the mentality that a tournament should payout as much or more than it takes in. It puts TDs in a position to either fund an event out of pocket or play funny money. I've participated in some local leagues or one off events that were not PDGA sanctioned. They were for fun. No profit motive. No onerous rules about the event was run. The PDGA seems to want to take that basic and make it so onerous that local sanctioned events are near impossible. I don't play an event for payout for last place. If I'm playing AN, I have zero expectation of a return on investment. I pay xx$ to go to a theme park, I don't expect to get paid for being there. This payout mentality in disc golf is weird.

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

Totally agree, not only is it hard to setup for tds but it makes so much plastic waste for players. I almost never use any tournament discs cause they are cheaper runs or just not something I’d want to throw

[@mattwhitediscgolf]

I’ve played the Prodigy star series in question and know the TD in question. It’s a pretty well run series on some great courses and the TD does a good job of procuring good players packs. Having said that he’s not just a TD running Prodigy events and pocketing dirty money like you insinuated could be happening. I think what happened here is he used the verbiage from the last star series(Prodigy logo is a star that’s where it comes from) and they used to do top 40% and he probably got a smaller budget this time around. You can’t cut pro payouts so doing the AM side was probably the only place he could make those cuts without being out of regulation. I’m not a Prodigy stan, but Matt runs a solid event and though parts of this could have been handled better, it’s been blown well out of proportion. Prodigy has done some crappy things, but overall this series has not been one of them in my experience.(and yes I finished in the range that would have gotten payout at 40% but not at 25%)

[@nathanwilson7929]

This. The first bit of the post was from last year's tournament series mixing it with this year's. It looks more like neglect than malicious as the events are all very similar and probably just copy pasted.

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

I think the main issue was the lack of transparency. If you don’t make a significant effort to let players know what they are getting when things change, then you’re not doing your due diligence as a TD.

[@nathanwilson7929]

@@wildrunsdiscgolf That's my point, I don't think anything did change. I don't see any screenshots of his sign in with the promise of those payouts. I think there was assumptions made on the players part, or was looking at the wrong event. I knew the star series was coming up, and I knew the first event was at Edwards, and so I went about trying to track that event on disc golf scene so I knew when the sign up was going to happen cuz I thought it was going to fill up quickly. Up quickly. I made the mistake of following last year's event. It looks identical except for the year. Which you can still search on disc golf scene and see plainly that it says the 40% cut. You can also see the finale has no such listing.

[@mattwhitediscgolf]

@@wildrunsdiscgolf I get what your saying, but the poster going into personal attacks to the degree he did was a disproportionate response in my opinion.

[@JTNugget]

@@wildrunsdiscgolf No I think the main issue is that you losers on the internet have a huge hate boner for Prodigy and want to see them as the evil boogeyman in everything. You will never give them the benefit of the doubt and instead take any random whiner's word as gospel as long as it fits your agenda.

[@buzzcutstudio1875]

All the more reason to dislike prodigy. I used to throw their D1s, which I still would to this day if it wasn't a 1 in 5 chance of finding one that flies the way it's supposed to

[@DDrreewwiidd]

Finished 12 of 24 in the Rec division lol. Sounds like he just got into disc golf and likes to cry about anything he can. He wouldn't get paid out in any event I've ever been to or ran. The TD was in it for profit clearly and that sucks. Prodigy sucks and hopefully they and all their baskets disappear in the near future

[@modgmodg6987]

Word.

[@brekkoh]

See you too are missing the point? How is his performance at all related to exposing the issues? You don't have to be medalist to point out someone is breaking the rules.

[@nathanwilson7929]

​@@brekkoh they aren't breaking the rules. The finale in the star series last year didn't have a added prize support like the previous events. The finale was invite only. He had to qualify the previous events in order to get an invite to this event. When I looked up for the star series this year, I made the mistake of seeing last year's event, because it happens at the same exact location this year,. I'm pretty certain he made the mistake of looking up last year's event and assuming it had the same payout. But this year's prize added was to the top 25 finishes. To be clear, for a C tier, you're only required to give back 85% of the value back to the players on the am side. The two discs alone that you get equals 75% or more of that value of the $40 you paid in. In addition to that you had green fees. Then you had four additional free ctps. And on top of that had additional gift card payouts to the top 25 finishes. From what it looks like, he just assumed that there is a 48% payout on the finale last year. Which is the first part of this entire video. And as someone who has signed up and played for the last two events in the Star series this year, I saw no 40% promise. I've only seen the 25% additional, which I interpreted only as the pro side, which came to a surprise to me when I got $15 gift card in my email for finishing in the top 25 in my division.

[@JTNugget]

@@brekkoh The average liberal idiot on the internet does not understand how logic works. They argue from a purely emotional standpoint and will use every fallacy in the book, and you can't convince them otherwise.

[@TurtleSploodge]

My first real discs were prodigy. The ace line in its entirety. Every plastic, every mold. Then I started learning about their management, and the whole Gannon Buhr situation. Then I noticed not all my discs said that they were made In the USA. Some said designed in the USA. So I read up on that whole debacle lol but yeah. As bad as I want to buy prodigy stuff.....I won't. They seem pretty shady. Just I don't know. They don't have a good vibe at all

[@JTNugget]

You've fallen for the soyboy propaganda. It's sad how people specifically will root and shill for corporation A, but take an extreme negative stance for corporation B when you have no idea who the people are who own or operate each corporation. Why not just throw whatever bullshit you like and stop falling for pointless online drama?

[@raidonbay]

This series is going on just south of Chattanooga. Yes they have a bad reputation for what is going on with the changes.

[@ps3smileyface]

My Paige pierce f3 has been a staple in my bag for years. Can’t find a f3 that flies like it though 😢

[@willthomas2150]

I played this series last year. Can confirm this is 100% true

[@UncoveringThePath]

Throw Discraft 🙌🏽 and MVP 🙌🏽

[@sadisticsinon]

I personally swore off Innova. Because every disc flies differently. But prodigy has never been on the list of candidates because they couldn't convince me otherwise. I've thrown their plastic and been unimpressed. I've hit their chains and been unimpressed. I've seen their roster and been unimpressed. And then look to their longevity with the pros, and they all leave... Bye

[@kingchuckfinley]

9:10 yeah but why’s Kristin crying?

[@kingchuckfinley]

Nevermind this is from last year. I remember.

[@Cory2G]

As someone who has putted with PA3’s since I began playing I don’t think I can support this company anymore. Anyone have suggestions for putters that are very similar?

[@Pr0Fr0]

@@Cory2G I've been told by several prodigy throwers that my Nomads feel very similar to a PA3

[@YDDIRP]

You can barely get through one sentence without an edit. How am I supposed to take you seriously????

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

If you really want to hear my heavy breaths in between sentences, I could leave it in there but it seems like a waste of everyone's time

[@ForrestMillerMusic]

One thing I love about yer channel is that it’s not the disc golf world.

[@wildrunsdiscgolf]

Care to elaborate? I’m intrigued by what that could mean

[@ForrestMillerMusic]

@@wildrunsdiscgolf haha! Yeah I just really like your content and wouldn’t want to see it turn into self serving click bait ranting negative know it all crap like the disc golf world’s. People will love you for who you are and in turn you’ll have way better fans. You are my favorite source of disc golf news/info.

[@amckay2266]

yea nobody likes prodigy....

[@aaronhackett5889]

Dude! Such a great video.

[@Domplum]

Your face adds nothing to this video.

[@ArchyRebels110]

😂

[@netdaddy]

Prodigy & Chik-fil-a, 2 of the crappiest brands together lol

[@caseysmith544]

Chik-Fil-A also bans people they know are LGBT+ from the stores, store policy. I would not be surprised if Prodigy was forced to by secondary sponsor "accidentally mess up losing the persons registration" if a known LGBT+ was playing in this series.