Shohei Ono´s O-Soto-Gari [English]

[@anilphilip546]

@camaleao judo insightful analysis - thank you! I was always afraid to try osoto gari in randori because it seemed so risky - just like you pointed out.

[@amirchavdarian3111]

Love your videos, you're doing a great job

[@camaleaojudo2321]

Thank you, more are coming, hopefully as regularly as I can manage

[@miguelespejel2462]

When Ono extends the leg his opponents are already half thrown. He starts more like an osoto otoshi but since he extends leg appears as osotogari. For me this is a hybrid technique

[@haroldbryant3105]

Well done. I was wondering how his Osoto gari differed from other judokas.

[@jonmoris9354]

Your analysis on what's happening with the bottom half of the body is excellent but your missing a lot on what ono does with his upper body and grips

[@AceInose]

Arm pit grip and his distance control is just superb, which is not mentioned in this vid

[@CombatWombat321]

Awesome Breakdown!

[@camaleaojudo2321]

Thank you :)

[@amirchavdarian3111]

Isn't it osoto otoshi at 3:10 ?

[@camaleaojudo2321]

No, I do actively lift my right leg to throw, it´s just hard to see from that angle because my uke´s body is in the way.

[@jonmoris9354]

Camaleao Judo this is my fave throw in judo i worked on it for years but i would say its closer to an osoto otoshi than osotogari due to the fact you have planted your foot on the ground then swept it up during

[@camaleaojudo2321]

It depends a lot on my partner. In this demonstration, he is not resisting at all, making my leg going up not really necessary and it doesn´t do that much of a difference. If I get more resistance, my leg needs to do more work, pushing the throw more and more towards osoto gari.

[@이창민-o6q]

2:40

[@pepsiguzzler86]

The second example reminds me more of a type of gaki than an osoto gari........... From that angle you'd presume that an o-guruma or tai otoshi would make more sense? Either way I immensely enjoyed this video. Excellent learning material.

[@camaleaojudo2321]

You can turn this osoto attack into a tai otoshi, o guruma, soto maki komi and more, depending on how your opponent reacts. If he turns into you, onto your back, then you can switch to one of those. Apart from that, in actual application, I feel it´s often hard to really differentiate between osoto gari/barai/gake/otoshi, I usually just call it the osoto because what it ends up being often depends on your partners reactions and ultimately doesn´t matter to me that much outside of belt graduation as long as it works ;)

[@MaxLohMusic]

Every osoto is called "osoto gari" now -- the trend started in Japan I think; I've seen compilations of Japanese videos where the guy is doing an osoto that's clearly not a reap and the announcers shout "osoto gari". Anyway if they called it gake where it was supposed to be gake, there'd be literally 0 osoto gari's ever recorded in competition. I've seen like one true competitive osoto "gari" ever, and it was in a UFC compilation.

[@pepsiguzzler86]

@@MaxLohMusic lots of reaping in this compilation video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGbKmadom8ploqM

[@MaxLohMusic]

I meant reap as in the classical style where you're actually sweeping their leg out suddenly instead of hooking onto it which usually merits a "gake" name. To be fair there are 1-2 reap-like motions in the video you showed which I've seen before. I actually meant there is no classical osoto style of reaping; I've never seen a classical osoto in a Judo competition in my life, and I have seen 1 in the UFC compilations.

[@anilphilip546]

I watched this video on Ono fighting heavyweight opponents. Any comments? kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5-vaKGEmKqtj6s I dont understand - why do they find fault with Shohei Ono's opponent Ikeda saying that he was not fighting fair and square., that he was resorting to "cheap tricks"?

[@camaleaojudo2321]

well, the not fighting fair and square part makes no sense to me, unless the commentator thinks that basic principles and strategies of grip fighting are somehow not fair. the "cheap tricks" don´t refer to Ikeda I think, that´s a comment on Ono´s style, that he didn´t use any tricks but tried to stick to his standard style of judo. Personally, I would argue that the Koga approach of "cheap tricks" against heavier players makes far more sense, is more in line with the basic ideas of judo and there is nothing cheap about it, but thats just me.

[@anilphilip546]

@@camaleaojudo2321 what is "the Koga approach of 'cheap tricks' against heavier players"?

[@anilphilip546]

@@camaleaojudo2321 I know that judo teaches one to lose gracefully but I wondered if the same was true of Japanese culture or not. Perhaps that is why the commentator has to somehow fault Ikeda as 'cheating'. Even if he wasn't.

[@camaleaojudo2321]

@@anilphilip546 it gets mentioned and shown briefly in the video you linked. koga used his speed and high endurance, moved around a lot, made it hard for his opponents to get a grip on him, attacked fast and retreated fast when he felt that the attack wouldn't be successful. and he switched up his main attack throw to ko uchi maki komi, which is a very effective throw against taller, heavier, slower opponents. nothing cheap about that as far as I see it, just using your strengths as effectively as possible