Shondo Called Out Vtuber "Managers" On Twitter...

[@LookJazz]

"He's only my manager guys, i just let him sleep on my bed so he can manage my sleep schedule trust me"

[@florntlaze810]

CottontailVA in a nutshell. (Yes, I know she has IRL Fansly content with a dude. This is a joke).

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

​@@florntlaze810 even that is better. She avoids talking about *that,* but at least doesn't straight up lie to her audience.

[@polkalamypekopeko2969]

This reminds me of that hen-manga where the girl says "you can use my hole but let me sit on your bed and read your manga"

[@f.b.l.9813]

😭😭😭 I want to sleep on shondo's bed to efficiently manage her sleep schedule!

[@fatoldhikki4837]

@@florntlaze810 "with a dude" how boring... have expected something more interesting from her.

[@eatenman1235]

She's def spitting facts. You don't need a manager if you're fairly small. You should only get a manager when you get bigger and you need to delegate tasks. And people doing these jobs for free??? So weird.

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

Absolutely. Especially small vtubers what's a manager? You come home from work / college and you stream. What's a manager to do for you for free?

[@HallidayASR]

Turns out people doing these jobs for free are most likely their secret boyfriend or some hopeless guy with a crush on them

[@Drek492]

The working for free thing is actually so exploitative, like you know that if it’s not a BF then it’s somebody with a very unhealthy parasocial attachment that you’re taking advantage of. It’s even worse when it’s big streamers doing it because they absolutely have the money to pay mods or a manager

[@NeocrimsonX]

​@@HallidayASR pokimaine editor flashback

[@ShiroganeKaiser]

True. Because that's the point of manager is to help the creator to manage things because when you become so big there's gonna be too many opportunities and work that is hard to handle alone. Its kinda dumb to have managers when you're just a small content creator. Like what the hell is that manager gonna do even? Aside from being in a relationship with you or have an ulterior motives. Those creators need to wake up. Its not year 1990 anymore.

[@TheLeadElite]

As my air force grandpa tells me; You know you’re on target if you’re receiving flak.

[@UndisputedClown]

Holy shit i love that saying!

[@TurtleChad1]

Shondo is still too young to understand that Twitter is the worst place to express your opinion 😭😭😭

[@shadowvtclips]

facts

[@Drek492]

But it’s also the only place where you can have these discussions because you’re certainly not going to have them on IG, TikTok, Reddit or god forbid Facebook. The strength of Twitter is that it’s the only place where creators can easily speak with other creators

[@Johnnyfreshlake]

shes literally 28

[@andrewfisher96]

@@Drek492it was. But it’s an X of its former self.

[@Reac2]

​@@Drek492But that's a creation of the creators... They decided to do it on Twitter for no good reason and now that Twitter is going down the drain (and basically has been perpetually since like the early 2010s),noone has the mind to leave. They could have (barely) social interactions on any social media they want or more social interactions on something more personal like Discord, on creator-only servers.

[@TheTSense]

Shondo doesn't need Boyfriend-Managers if she has Father-Husbands

[@scragglie]

like me

[@Thealseie]

She has a manager though, the wise Otis

[@f.b.l.9813]

Brother=Father-Husband-Managers

[@bwahchannel9746]

Lmao incest husband

[@scrapeddiamonds5776]

@@scragglie thats a cap

[@techead23]

Like she said, many new indie vtubers only get these managers because they think its something you need. Two big indie like Sayu and Dokibird only have managers because they got to the point where they were like "I can't do this alone anymore". I would say Shondo's a big indie, but she was her whole family that helps her out

[@mrbubbles6468]

And both of the examples you gave were corpos before so they needed managers to deal with the volume of things when they transitioned to indie. You can manage most things by just setting up filters well.

[@techead23]

@@mrbubbles6468 I was gonna give a few other examples, like Shylily and Numi, but so many of them are now part of some kind of company

[@jomujomu7513]

Yeah and people need to understand formo corpos like Doki are VERY popular by indie standards. They are going to need the extra help depending on what they want to do. On the other-hand, I think Maid Mint self-manages and isn’t the most tech-savvy or social media literate person, and she makes it work.

[@techead23]

@@jomujomu7513 Especially since Mint didn't think she was going to continue. So there was no point of it. I will say that Mint has a lot of good vtuber friends that help her out.

[@Hkt1kTurnie]

​@@jomujomu7513she's just a girl

[@BlueLoveYT]

I wish more vtubers were honest like Shondo

[@LyaksandraB]

Why just vtubers. What is wrong with you. EVERYONE should be more honest.

[@ethanfreeman1106]

I wish more people were honest like her

[@ethanfreeman1106]

​@@LyaksandraBoverreacting much? 😂 They didn't specify "only" vtubers, they only wanted to mention vtubers specifically because we are, in fact, talking about vtubers.

[@scragglie]

@@LyaksandraB bro go outside. take a walk.

[@Yosh_XXL]

Wahhhhh 😢​@@LyaksandraB

[@ethanfreeman1106]

Shondo really doesn't mince words. That's what i love about her. She can a bit clumsy or unhinged at times, but she always speaks her mind. I feel like i can trust her.

[@octobsession3061]

I feel like chatting to a friend, a homie, rather than faker girlfriend, or some idol things

[@icebox1954]

@@octobsession3061 You fell for the parasocial simp trap. She is not your friend and she doesn't even know you exist.

[@4nanaide]

I saw many of these "managers" being actively present on the streams of the VTuber they "manage", and not just being on the chat but on Discord/VC with the VTuber. It can't get more obvious, but the VTuber can't say that she's dating someone because she knows that she might not gain followers, and the viewers knowing that the "manager" is most likely her boyfriend stick around because there's always the chance of him not being her boyfriend or them splitting up. These are often the same VTubers or "managers" that will voice their complaint about corpo VTubers "being forced to not have a private life" or having "parasocial viewers", whilst they feed on the thing they swear to despise. "Me? A boyfriend?! Nuh-uh! Men are yucky! Also thank you for the tier 3 sub!".

[@ShiroganeKaiser]

Some I know are not even vtubers. Its becoming so common now TBH that its cringe. And yea they almost always on VC with the streamer and in chat even. Some mods just have ulterior motives now or they're secretly dating.

[@BlaZay]

Yeah idk about that one chief. I watch an indie who has her manager show up in the chat every now and then and bullies her alongside us. She's an absolute trainwreck of artism and he told us himself she pays him to help her get sht done. I don't watch enough indies to know if that's particularly common or not, but given how many of them collect disorders like Pokemons, I'm not exactly surprised.

[@mrbubbles6468]

@@4nanaide what’s funny is the VTubers in Corpos are allowed to have Private Lives. As long as it is kept private. That is why they are dissuaded because the corpos know that a lot of Talents f up.

[@AtomicArtumas]

@@mrbubbles6468 And then there's some where it's not even a thing, as they're just openly married. And... it really hasn't had any real affect on their careers, which honestly just shows how utterly dumb it is that it's even something people care about. And, y'know, then there's Neuro, who's literally not even human. So all of this stuff just further makes it... utterly pointless.

[@RemnentPlays]

​@@mrbubbles6468didnt Rushia get dropped for clapping cheeks

[@NeuronActivation]

What i like about Shondo is how she speaks her mind, shes based and honest. On top of being extremely cute and funny, shes great

[@samson7294]

she also is very smart knowing 90% of her fans are actual pedos so she pedobaits like a champ

[@Igelme]

Wait until vtuber fans (male or female, doesnt matter) find our their "girl failure" comfort vtuber is extremely sociable and has a huge social circle, has a partner, is extremely well off and frecuents private parties in LA. "She just like me fr" 😂

[@Claire75690]

​@@Igelme whats your point

[@Dan_Kanerva]

​@@Claire75690 the point is that the "relatable" aspect is an act. Asmongold already said so

[@void_eagle4577]

​@@Dan_KanervaHow is she relatable? She literally plays games all day as a job, has schizophrenia, and has enough money to house her entire family and pay most of the expenses. She isnt relatable, and anyone who thinks she is, is stupid.

[@Mike23443]

Shondo is trying to let us know subtly that she has a boyfriend manager. It's so jover.

[@wojak-sensei6424]

Begs the question on why these managers have to be so public about it. If your job is to literally just make your client follow TOS and speak on her behalf on business matters and NOT be a recurring guest in the streams, and you know that your presence in a very personal, authentic media like streaming is going to be a problem, why not just be anonymous? Seriously, just have your personal accounts along with your burners, lurk in the chat and in the socials, and privately message your "client" for concerns. Hell, you could even control the main social media account for the Vtuber, making sure all posts go through you first. It's the most sensible thing to do business-wise. Your chuuba is the face, you run the back-end, and everyone is none the wiser.

[@mrbubbles6468]

And this is why Shondo deserves all the uppies

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

No correction needed this time? 🥺💢💢💢💢

[@saintlarfleeze3551]

Cringe infantilisation

[@jesusmen6308]

​@@saintlarfleeze3551womp womp

[@pneumonianakey]

​@@Just_An_Ignaciono.. none needed, she's already correct this time.

[@SWIFTO_SCYTHE]

A lot of delusional parasocial chatters would love to have 1v1 discord cellphone chats behind the scenes. Them Volunteer to be a mod or manager for free is an easy in. Always be wary if you are a streamer.

[@NihongoWakannai]

This is the biggest problem with trying to hire a manager/assistant. Finding someone with relevant knowledge, experience and proven trustworthiness is very hard and probably above what you can pay. Anyone working for cheap is highly likely to have alterior motives.

[@TigernachVT]

Shondo probably knows many specific examples and that's why she can speak so bluntly about it. I 100% believe her.

[@NickN56]

I also was wondering if that was directed as someone or just in general

[@Professorkek]

0:32 I will never not love that little gremlin laugh. 🥰

[@ak_nora]

I saw a tweet from Legal Mindset that reinforces the idea that you should try managing things yourself first. And when workload starts to pile up, hire assistants first, not manager.

[@mrbubbles6468]

@@ak_nora They are right. No point hiring a manager when you do not know what to manage and have nothing you need to manage. To say nothing of the fact that most successful channels do not even get big enough to need one.

[@billygoatguy3960]

Fairly paid assistants in the american economy is my kinky fantasy

[@Hachu89]

Hearing Shondo snorting at a 2view having a "manager" scratches a very particular itch.

[@joej78]

A lot of vtubers will say that viewers who care about streamers' relationship status are mentally ill, need to touch grass etc. I don't think this part is very controversial, but the necessary conclusion is that streamers who lie their audiences about their relationship status are quite literally deceiving mentally ill people for money. Not a good look when you put it that way.

[@legacymse7095]

So true. When someone plays a gacha game it's the evil company's fault for being predatory with the monetization and preying on gambling addicts and minors. But when it's a female streamer building her entire character and community around the GFE she provides, it's the viewers fault? These Vtubers are doing it for the money, they could be honest about their relationships but they don't want to cut a part of their audience. And then they go crying when the simps she nurtured turn against her when the lie is exposed, accusing the "parasocials" or whatever. Schrödinger's feminism: a woman is simultaneously a victim and empowered, until something happens. Then she chooses which state benefits her the most. It's literally that

[@plingplingpoy]

And those viewers too, personally I'd stop watching out of respect for the relationship, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth especially if they do certain things that cater to certain fans. I doubt it's all simps thinking "oh no we no longer have a chance" maybe some are like "wow this girl is really spending hours with strangers on the Internet who watch her just to drool all over her, and she's feeding them while she has a boyfriend." It's either exploitative or she's going behind the back of our fellow man.

[@PunishedBeerCanBennyIV]

I don't even watch vtubers (streams) but I just avoid the ones that are in a relationship. It isn't parasocial for me, I just watch clips and extended highlight for the cuteness and funny (coincidence I swear) not the GFE. It just makes me feel uncomfortable or undignified? Like I'm being cucked or something somehow, it's not exactly that extreme but hard to explain, and I have a feeling I'm not the only one like this.

[@wojak-sensei6424]

Female streamers (especially Vtubers) always get wrapped around in bubble wraps and rainbows whenever you question their behavior. It makes it harder to filter the psychos out of this niche than it already is.

[@Reac2]

God, I wish I could "manage" someone like Shondo 😭😭😭

[@nananamamana3591]

Oh what?! Is being her brother-husband-dad like the rest of us not GOOD enough for you?!

[@Uohhhh777]

You won't last 5 minutes 😭

[@PsiJuicu]

Get in line bro im first

[@KamiHirazawaii]

Bruh I swear to God the application list to be shondo "manager" is longer than the application into the afterlife lol

[@yodawgzgaming4416]

Based Shondo sticking to her guns, you love to see it

[@thepunisher4356]

Honestly based, I’d rather know the person I’m watching is in a relationship then be lied to about what is really going on.

[@Chrissi12345]

Based yes, but people for some reason want to watch girls they can have a shot at. People who admitted they had a boyfriend often lost tons of viewers and donations especially. We are talking about a person's income who's job it is to play a character. Is it shitty? Yeah, but the other side of the coin is a lot of vtubers would lose a lot of money. That is why most people don't talk about relationships and just play the character

[@RisqueBisquetz]

that said i'm also completely okay not knowing regardless if they're not trying to "sell" GFE or BFE stuff or not. Personal relationships is a personal matter and there's no reason as a viewer to ever know about them, i'm not trying to bang them anyways.

[@Claire75690]

Unfortunately you're in the minority, most vtubers hide their relationship status for a reason

[@f.b.l.9813]

would be a refreshing breath of fresh air if we get a successful Vtuber couple, like an actual irl couple doing Vtubing, like we already have twins doing Vtubing but aside from possible community backlash, i'm guessing companies might not want to take the risk of the couple separating and dragging the vtuber gig along with it.

[@Chrissi12345]

@f.b.l.9813 what about original and onibro? I don't buy that they are siblings at all

[@raheem300]

SHES DRINKING HER MILK , VICTORIAN CHILD IS WINING

[@OneColdRepublican]

Based Shondo

[@AccountInactive]

The biggest deception from streamers and vtubers isn't them pretending to be chronically online femcels while dating "managers." It's that a large portion of them are married to or dating "normal" men. I work in a blue collar field and date a streamer. Other guys I know who are with streamers and vtubers are everything from managers, to prominent community members and donators, to regular guys with regular jobs who literally never participate in the streaming scene at all. You may get lucky and date someone who you met first as a streamer, but please realize your odds are not good at all. If you want to get into a relationship, do it irl. Do not try to talk to streamers or vtubers in hopes of starting a relationship. You're falling in love with a character, no matter how "really her" they seem. Even Pippa, even Jelly, etc. The one you think is definitely a khhv is the one married with a child.

[@NuryPPanaligan]

AFAIK Pippa has a boyfriend IRL.

[@ethanfreeman1106]

Weird how you know so much about this but I won't judge. I guess I can kind of understand why guys would fall for these vtubers and egirls, but if you ever talk to a real girl at all, you'll know that this is just entertainment. It's para social relationships, if you can even call it that. Internet friends can become real friends, but whether you actually become that is the crucial difference. Being able to tell fiction from reality is what allows you to enjoy the fiction a lot more, so these delusional people are just missing out. Treat it like an experience and you're fine, like watching a science fiction movie. It's great to get into it, but don't take it too seriously once it's all over. You're not sitting in front of the screen 100% of the time, are you? I mean, I sure hope not. I love the vtubers world. But the whole point is to enjoy the contents and join the communities, and have a lot of fun. That's more than enough, and there is absolutely no need to go beyond that. I feel like the people seeking something beyond that are just missing out on something perfectly good over here. 😅

[@szysi3k]

​@@NuryPPanaliganmost of them have, how could they not? If they are funny and entertaining odds are they're taken. Simple.

[@Markusplier2]

@@NuryPPanaligan had, but even then that’s up for debate because apparently there’s some evidence that he was gay?

[@NuryPPanaligan]

@@Markusplier2 He's just a softie, so people confuse him for being gay.

[@CasualTS]

Wait a minute, I think I just found an exciting new solution to both my joblessness and singleness.

[@NihongoWakannai]

Sorry man, you gotta be hot to be an escort.

[@patrickconlon2628]

What Shondo is saying makes sense to me. I don't know why people on twitter are getting big baby mad over this lol

[@CuriousGuyOnline]

It’s freaking Twitter. People not having a tantrum on there means it’s not a day ending in -y.

[@Claire75690]

@@patrickconlon2628 theyre being called out thats why

[@NihongoWakannai]

All the normal people either left twitter or don't reply because they're normal and have normal things to do with their life.

[@maliciousbugman]

>hopeful unpaid "managers" being exposed for their true intentions >indie vtubers exposed for exploiting unrequited feelings of love, often knowingly

[@Person01234]

It's twitter, big baby mad is their default emotion.

[@XdLOLXD400]

"He is not boyfriend trust me please, because I'm totally single and definitely not because I'm scared of losing viewers and my biggest payers" It just screams its all about the numbers and that just doesn't sit well with me if the main driving point is money

[@AtomicArtumas]

Yep, and it's one of the most universal pieces of advice given by almost all major content creators. "Do it because you like doing it, not because you're in it for money. Odds are you won't even succeed at making any real amount of money, even less that you'll be able to live off of it alone, and even less that you'll find legitimate success and become rich." I've always been able to tell when a content creator is purely in it for the money, and not because they're actually interested in being a content creator, or enjoy making the content they make. It's immediately obvious, and is always a turn off. And it's so blatantly apparent with streamers, in particular, as they often won't even be able to answer basic questions about the game they're playing, etc., and won't be able to retake reactions and whatnot which leads to either blatantly fake reactions, or bland ones where you can tell they don't really care at all.

[@spoopyd.8910]

This is why Shondo is perfect. She doesn't have boyfriends. She has husbands 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@maliciousbugman]

The fallout from these posts has been nothing but glorious. Both "managers" and indie vtubers have been absolutely (sorry to use this meme phrase but it actually fits here) coping and seething like no tomorrow. "Managers" over being called out as simps/groomers, and indie vtubers for taking advantage of feelings they know their free "managers" have.

[@wojak-sensei6424]

And they don't know that the best response to prove your innocence is looking at that post long and hard... and just go about your day. If it ain't about you, then it ain't about you. You don't have to defend the honor of -2views and their e-boytoys.

[@HelloThere-gb3ji]

Shondo’s opinions are too based and mature for her age😭😭😭

[@NickN56]

She is 28 😂

[@moriorinvictus69]

3:14 "omitting" not admitting

[@sarcasm3605]

If you don’t want your audience to know you have a boyfriend, don’t involve him in what you present to your audience. Simple as

[@mshake7056]

Yeah and dont act like your a femcel that doesn't do stuff just to get a bigger fanbase. Nobody likes deception just be real

[@sebastionanon5675]

Shondo: Some indies have managers. Yeah they're called boyfriends.

[@maliciousbugman]

And if they have a "brother" they talk about a lot, I've got some bad news for you there too.

[@DrakeTheCaster]

I still remember when KZbinrs were called lazy for having other ppl edit their videos for them. You had to either pump out daily vids or have hundreds of thousands of active followers to be considered "deserving" somone else to do some of the work for you lol. All these small-time indie streamers trying to have managers and/or paid moderators out the gate are funny. But yeah then there is the high likelihood of said managers or mods being IRL friends, partners or even family seeing all your cringe messages and probably laughing about it behind the scenes.

[@darkjackl999]

Literally the "you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about" joke lmao

[@The._.Manga__Mann]

This tiny girl can’t get anymore based 🗣️

[@Adromelk]

I could name more than a few vtubers who have "Managers" and some who even go as far as to claim "their manager lives with them" Me:Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhtttttttt

[@Weird_Alchemist42]

"We're totally not dating or in a relationship. He just lives with me." - GFE streamers.

[@TRIC4pitator]

she can't stop being so real

[@falcongamer58]

That's facts, and in idol cultures, it fuels toxic parasocial tendencies between fans and personalities. The cases where fans go mad when they find out their idols aren't single

[@KR-tk8fe]

Best part is when the "managers" make themselves a mod. Then they ban anoyone who makes her laugh or says a lewd joke. Its painful to watch too because that specific mod gets way more attention then the rest of the chat. Just tell chat they got cucked already jeez.

[@Pherim_]

Filian Mods do that and they arent even that. Sometimes they are just Simps

[@NickN56]

Describing Filian mods

[@NihongoWakannai]

Nah bro that's just mods. The only reason a lot of them became mods is because they're chronically online losers who want to feel superior to others.

[@Dr.HooWho]

Yet vtuber somehow don't try to stop that? Jeez they need to do better

[@icebox1954]

@@NihongoWakannai I guess Reddit wasn't looking for someone that particular week.

[@Bestyja]

This is guy best friend conversation all over again but in a different flavor lol

[@Just_An_Ignacio]

Little wife-daughter (💢😭) can be tough to say some things, but she is honest and most times based AF

[@GirlsUndPantsu]

I absolutely love Shondo's honesty! Well said!

[@Kurai_69420]

Unfathomably MEGA BASED

[@BattlesimsVS]

Saw she was trending on Twitter from that lol

[@gamingguru2k6]

"I manage 10 vtubers, and I'm not dating any of them. I only sleep with them." ...is the kind of thing I imagine she's talking about.

[@XenonPrimeSBSV]

I worry about potentially sketchy power dynamics, if you have the person who basically has control over a lot of your infrastructure AND you're in a relationship with them that can very bad very quickly. Shondo is also right about how unnecessary Managers are for most VTubers, corpo Vtubers have managers because generally they're a lot more than just a streamer with a model. Hololive Vtubers are also singers, dancers, voice actors, maybe all 3 at once in addition to streaming! They have various lessons to attend to be better at all those things, language lessons to better facilitate operating within the company, at events and with other talents along with meetings regarding what events are going to be happening, who is doing what and more. Those folks need managers because they have so much more going on in addition to any corporate to corporate discussions that happen. Most Vtubers aren't and will not be them or operating in the same spheres as them and simply won't need it, when you're getting Gamersupps and Reycon calling you even then you don't really need a manager, you probably to pay a contract lawyer to look over things and get into the habit of doing that however.

[@Zantetsu13]

Got a flashback to Kirsche talking about a "manager" who offered his services to a vtuber with the explicit intention to date her.

[@dope7846]

she’s 100% right in what she said and the reason people got mad it’s because they felt called out

[@zanlancer4426]

She was so real for this.

[@legendarywolfgeneral5572]

Thats a reason i like vex, she doesnt beat around the bush about it or try to hide it. Zolon is her husband, im fairly certain he at least mods for her streams, if not more. She doesnt play the parasocial game like other Vtubers

[@NickN56]

Same with Nyanners and Veibae.

[@VVabsa]

With certainty I can say that Zolon is indeed her manager and husband.

[@-Medley-]

more great takes like this and I MIGHT send a *LOVE* letter too

[@ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers]

Shondo woke up and chose violence 💢💢💢💢

[@viazzi91]

this is one of the many reason why I love vtubers. The gap between a cute anime girl, and her statements/opinions about the real world is so funny, whether I agree or not

[@The_ASMR_Listener]

Theres should be a clear line of someone who is A manager and a professional manager for a living. a professional manager is someone who secretly does the heavy lifting that makes the talents better than who they were before they met. So far these so called managers are people who understand common entertainment but doesnt have the skill or drive to give the talents a chance to actually grow. a good manager is important a mediocre manager is useless at best. if anything its worse because no one is winning, the manager is basically an intern that gets no money but does all the grunt work and the talent doesn't grow.

[@Shambles27]

I've seen small KZbinrs that barely pull double digits selling merch like who is your market? You barely have a fan base you don't need a manager and you don't need merch

[@Person01234]

Eh. I'd agree if the only goal is to make money but tbh if a smaller vtuber wants to make merch for their community I see no issue with that as long as they understand what they're getting into.

[@meikaishi]

Having a manager kinda became a part of the "vtuber 101" culture, like paying an absurd amount of money for a model, smaller vtubers definitely should not be wasting money in this, it reminds me of when the KZbinr boom happened and there was a lot of people wasting money on expensive cameras and microphones to have their videos reach 100 views, focus on you content first instead of thinking that you need to pay up front to get anywhere

[@shivubu8008]

Shondo ! As a responsible and loving fan Im saying this to u , stay the fluff away from the hellhole thats Twitter.❤ Love u lots .

[@trucid2]

Shondo doesn't have a manager she's saving herself for chat. 😭

[@AlexRaylight]

I'm sure both her and her boyfriend are laughing while seeing such comments. 😄 Come to think of it, she _does_ act kinda similar to Mikeneko (Rushia)... and we all know how that one ended up...

[@NickN56]

@@AlexRaylightrushia lost herself at the end by leaking sht with other company members. Shondo is in no company like Hololive. The only thing she can get is starting a beef with other vtuber but I doubt she is that stupid

[@NickN56]

Most likely she has someone buddy

[@legacymse7095]

@@NickN56 Probably, and she's also leaning HEAVILY in the GFE side of things. She better keep the secret forever

[@Person01234]

@@NickN56 lmao you guys are clueless.

[@futsk01]

Sounds like it's prime time for me to start managing a vtuber or two

[@Hagfish-WS]

Casual Vtuber fans know this. Because your “oshi” if you ever think about it, are also REGULAR GIRLS. Ripbozos to those who can’t accept reality.

[@rionnachelliot8951]

OMG I have never seen Otis. I would die for him.

[@Klawz_AU]

Man.. Wait til they realize what Discord mods are trying to do.

[@legacymse7095]

Good old Discord mods and their kittens ❤

[@SilasWolfe]

Shondo literally dated her discord mod and visited him in person and admitted as much on stream.

[@Dr.HooWho]

​@@SilasWolfenot surprised it's a mod

[@ninjatango]

Vtweeters rejected her message. They hated her because she told the truth.

[@Slugbunny]

"People don't like [reality]" checks out. 😏

[@kyousuketanuma638]

I feel like Shondo makes a very clear point of difference behind 'omission of truth' and 'outright deception'

[@SchemingGoldberg]

Lying by omission is still a lie.

[@Pherim_]

​@@SchemingGoldbergYes, but you dont need to say everything, and sometimes people just forget to say things. You cant attribute Malice to something it can be done by accident. Its still a lie, but not always told with Malice. The other case is always malice, you know damn well what you are doing and know that lying is ab easy cop-out for a time

[@OrbObserver]

​@@SchemingGoldbergA steak and a hotdog can both be made of cow, there is nuance to these things.

[@FusDoRAH420]

@@SchemingGoldberg There is not telling you have a boyfriend to not break the fantasy, and there is flauting the fact that chat is a third wheel and still lying to their face

[@Person01234]

@@SchemingGoldberg It really depends. It's ok not to divulge every detail of your entire life just because chat wants you to. Obviously. If some people get a wrong impression from that then it is what it is, everyone has the right to some privacy. If something is STRONGLY implied and important to people and you could dispel it with a statement but don't, then it's a lie of omission. Though personally, I don't think lies of omission are as bad as active lies, though both are deceitful.

[@EvilDrCatfish]

Honestly the only exception to this rule I can think of is probably Saruei, since I'm pretty sure she pays her manager and hired them cause she kept getting into drama for being rude(french)

[@NomDatBass]

Dokibird also comes to mind, as early on after the redebut she had a manager who is known for having managed way bigger people than her, including iirc Xqc. Then again, girl literally started up her own company and is a CEO now, so she's not exactly ordinary. She's also known to be very, very adamant about paying anyone who does anything at all for her, something that actually got her into trouble with a certain rainbow company in the past.

[@dragonhitman1071]

When shondo asks for a manager theres gonna be a battle royal.

[@malkav0488]

Curious, the big indies I follow do have managers, sometimes several. And I mean paid staff. Below that some do have volunteer managers when they reach a certain size, sometimes. But we're talking exceptions here, most Vtubers, in the grand total, have a fairly small audience and don't need those roles. Actually it's better that they learn those tasks themselves a little, first, to better handle delegating them when they grow and pick competent staff.

[@JuanLopez-xh4vy]

I don't follow much Vtuber stuff but that tweet honestly made me a fan of her instantly. The fact that people are actually heated for something you can just read and laugh at makes it even better. Words on a screen can't hurt you, but if they do hurt then buddy probably needs some self reflection She's a real one fr

[@NihongoWakannai]

Twitter gets mad at everything tbf

[@wizlumi4521]

1:09 sounds like cough cough mandatory volunteering

[@tiagotiagot]

Makes sense when it's legit; some people just wanna focus on the art and don't wanna worry about the business side of things; and sometimes people are ambitious and gamble on putting the work for free to get their name out and once they (the "group" ) start making money then it becomes a paid job. But I can see how there could be situations where the concept is used to abuse naive individuals.

[@87axal]

I think it's perfectly fine to not talk about your realationship status as long as GFE isn't part of your content. Actively fostering unhealthy parasocial relationships for monetary gains is already unethical enough as it is, but having your actual boyfriend read some sad f*cks love confession to you makes it even worse.

[@edmundoandrade5113]

Shondo is a real one 🚬🗿

[@astralcataclysm8897]

True and Real

[@noah.2B]

if you have 30 viewers you don't need mods at all, like, that's few enough that you probably still know every single viewer by name. "hey steve could you maybe not say that in chat please" lmao or you just ban them, sure it's 20% of the active chatters, but not exactly a strenuous overwhelming need for moderation

[@CMAX999]

Shondo just out here straight murdering people. Lmao

[@loudradialem5233]

Yeah, it's true. A big fleshtuber like Amouranth hid a husband for years. It's much easier to hide boyfriends as a Vtuber so I just assume they all have.

[@killgaet6253]

Yeah, when nearly all of them claim to be single, i mean really? Either they are all Girlfailures, or they have someone, Layna comes to mind, I like her content, but there is no way that at 33, she isn't married, or dating someone, frankly I don't care, I just enjoy the content, but really? are they all really girlfailures NEETs?

[@ItsWeenie]

I know a guy from high school that went hard into trying to be a streamer and he paid his mods like 15 a week and he had 4 viewers.

[@Anon_Spartan]

Based based based Shondo destroys mods and managers.

[@user-qr4jf4tv2x]

alot of manager are waste of money when the employees are self sufficient

[@GoodOleDFT]

I really enjoy the way Shondo talks about the administrative side of vtubing. It's not a field I have any interest in participating in, but the way she explains is interesting.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

I assumed dating talent was a contractual obligation for managers.

[@NIMDAEXE]

Facts. My “intern” is my best friend. It’s an on going joke but yes I for one also believe that vtubers are and should be honest. I don’t tell people everything but I am as transparent as I feel is needed to be to build and maintain trust. Also Umbra would be my manager by Shondos logic here. For transparency Umbra is my cat.

[@qersy127]

I watch other v tubers for entertainment, i watch shondo for spot on takes.

[@undeniablySomeGuy]

This is the classic "person says shit on twitter and people hallucinate talking points to get angry at"

[@Zefryn]

Kinda reminds me of stuff with the girl from Needy Streamer Overload. I can imagine this stuff happens more often than people care to admit for sure..

[@Xaito]

Based as always.

[@mrKozmoz]

Nasally impudent child is always spitting facts

[@Acesahn]

Pimps perform a necessary service. Don't shake the boat Shondo! XD

[@Silentguy_]

It was brutal to see but she kept it real.

[@Izoowoo]

She's 100% correct I genuinely hate when I come across the whole "everyone knows what's really going on but we all pretend we don't".

[@NihongoWakannai]

It's also what leads to the normal streamers getting harassed by a bunch of hyper paranoid people.

[@Izoowoo]

@@NihongoWakannai that's not anyone's responsibility but the people doing it.

[@NihongoWakannai]

@@Izoowoo I disagree, the streamers who intentionally manipulate the portion of their audience that are mentally vulnerable and unwell are partially to blame.

[@Izoowoo]

@@NihongoWakannai we are talking about two different things entirely

[@NihongoWakannai]

@@Izoowoo No I think it's the same. If you cultivate a culture of "we know what's really going on despite no one saying it" then you inherently cause that culture to bleed into other streamers too just because you don't want to outright say what you're doing and instead deceive a part of your audience. There's clearly an intent to deceive otherwise they would outright say the truth.

[@honorableintent]

My perspective is this: many vtubers that are not lucrative have a day job. If your day job has long hours, you may want someone to help with the micro of managing a stream so that way it can not overwhelm you. I've got friends who are small i indie vtubers and while none of them have managers, there's also a ton of things that they just do not have time for because they have full-time day jobs in addition to the streaming gig that hasn't taken off the way they'd like it to. If they had a manager, even just in the form of a mod who helps plan things and do some of the tedium, they would be capable of a bit more. So I get it, the wanting to have a manager. But at that point, they really only need an overzealous mod with admin perms, not a manager, which another friend of mind who joined a corpo and got a manager that way had beforehand (she still has that mod, he just doesn't need to do as much and has more time for his other 39-ish streams he mods for).

[@renmei99]

people can whine about muh parasocial or whatever all they want, but lying is one the things that disgust me the most no matter what's it about

[@joni8401]

100% authentic Shondo calling out phoneys and would never deceive us. Adorable.

[@Theonixco]

Even Dizzy, having been a manager for Tsunderia, admitted to where Vtuber managers end up after dying.

[@vknives]

She was so right. I loved it.

[@chaudspieler]

Shondo is so freaking based! I am an indie VTuber myself and those "vtuber managers" mostly come off as some of the most arrogant and unlikable people on the internet! And the VTubers whose managers are their boyfriends are lying to the fans, I got NO RESPECT FOR THOSE VTUBERS!!

[@malcolmliang]

Shondo spitting facts

[@IchigoDaNye]

Shondo is always a knower.