Shopping For PCs In 2023 Is A COMPLETE Minefield...

[@LynnGryphon]

Honestly, whenever you ask "should i buy this" and its ebay or AliExpress the answer for me is a resounding yes because those videos tend to turn out pretty fun

[@christianrobloxserver7282]

Whenever someone asks me if a pre built they're looking at is good or not I always ask if it's from eBay, alliexpress or Amazon. If the answers yes, then it's overpriced junk 😂

[@feieralarm]

You should absolutely get the Alienware PC, just so people see what the brand used to be like. The PC is from around 2006/2007, just months after Dell acquired it and before Dell had introduced their own spin on Alienware hardware.

[@jurgen4446]

agree

[@aaronwlkr]

I used to work for them back then. They only used OE parts. The computers were as good as you spec'd them out to be.

[@ralkia]

@@aaronwlkr Everyone who knows the brand/history knows alienware was actually good before the Dell buyout :D

[@moji3812]

Yeah

[@aaronwlkr]

@@ralkia yup I was working for them then, once Dell took over we started using OE parts that were made specifically for Dell. They came from China.. that is what we used until the had the China factory up and running, then they fired us all

[@eldibs]

Props to Dawid for identifying that 8800 GTX just from the side view. It's an ancient GPU at this point, but it was iconic.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

I honestly think he could identify specific components blindfolded... which might be an amusing video idea.

[@brokeandtired]

The weird stick PC is meant for controlling and zooming cameras. Its a dedicated CCTV machine.

[@sinisa5567]

If you got it to not break outside the warranty window

[@gideonhawk]

​@@drunkenhobo8020Thats a terrible idea. I really hope he does it

[@THEVOID5044]

It can run Crysis but not Crysis remastered 😂

[@rsiv5156]

It really is confusing as a pc noob. I spent months (casually) learning about hardware components before finally feeling confident to buy my first dedicated gaming pc. Channels like yours helped, so thanks Dawid!

[@jedharrington6234]

I'm so glad I have a microcenter near me was able to tell them my budget and what I wanted from the computer and they pretty much planned the computer for me!

[@Deja117]

As still a somewhat PC noob... I can confidently agree. Picked up a refurb 6 years ago for a couple hundred, it was fine to run things like R6 Siege on low settings and play rather competitively. Built 2 period correct PCs since then, but it was amazing to just have something cheap to teach me the basics of installing new hardware. Only daunting part after that was the price and putting the CPU in.

[@peacemaster8117]

There's so many potential complications. If it wasn't for PCPartPicker I'd have zero confidence that the parts I'm planning to buy would even work together.

[@MikeRota]

I love the videos where you buy old Alienware PC's and upgrade them!

[@Longgerlongsing]

yea make a video on this topic please Dawid.

[@kriskrisminer]

Same here

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Nice! Glad to hear you’re interested in that. Already bought the system and can’t wait to check it out. 😃

[@ArtemisKitty]

Can't wait! As a budget gamer, your channel is ALWAYS fun to watch, and helpful. 😊

[@randomtrainboy]

​@@DawidDoesTechStuffwhy can i hear your accent through the comment lol

[@ragreen2]

RS232 is a serial communications port - I used these for computer mice before the PS2 port/USB ports... It is not anything like a VGA port

[@marcusmuller2890]

It is shocking to watch a millennial gaming hardware channel and realize that the guy dosn‘t know what a serial port is….feeling old :)

[@sali-ali]

I were using it to flash roms to digital sattelite receivers up until 2010

[@brokeandtired]

PC is meant for controlling and zooming cameras. Its a dedicated CCTV machine. Hence the weird stick.

[@dirkymcdirkyface4851]

Not saying RS232 has been around since the dawn of time (much older than modern stuff like 8800GTXs) but I remember the 6502 based BBC microcomputer from the early 1980s that had the RS423 connector as compatible with but better than RS232.

[@salemeister5478]

Yeah we use still use it for one of the computers on our aircraft, and I was thinking the same thing lol. Takes twice as long to load software over it vs the 1553 port on that same computer.

[@tOSdude]

That little screen thing will get its video through the CVBS port, which is composite video. RS232 is likely how the joystick works. Buying that may be complicated to set up, but I say go for it.

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Oh that’s really interesting. Thanks for the info. Your right, that does sound like it would be tough. I’ll look into it to see if it’s doable for me. 😅

[@smeezekitty]

@@DawidDoesTechStuff Its worth adding that RS232 is another name for a serial port

[@Njazmo]

Are you guys serious? Serial port is for sending commands from A to B, and it has nothing to do with the joystick. You know, before ethernet ports, we used to have modems, that connects the PC via telephone line to a server or so, the modem was connected to the PC with the serial port, or RS232, and joystick ports were usually separate, which were often included with audio cards. The history of PC is not that far anyways.

[@tOSdude]

@@Njazmo that would be relevant if this was a PC peripheral, but it isn’t. It is a camera terminal.

[@mariyuano007]

RS232 its a serial port, not video output

[@MrSkeptikos]

And my knowing what it is while he does not, makes me feel really old

[@Dracossaint]

Tbf it's not too dis-similar to VGA

[@volvo09]

​@@Dracossaintthe port looks similar, but it's 9 pins instead of 15

[@Dracossaint]

​@@volvo09I know and I am familiar with the port. Just you know

[@MS1andOnly]

I love the videos where you buy old Alienware PC's and upgrade them, and i'd think it would be cool to continue that although, any content you produce we're gonna watch, because hands down its all great, Nice Job making this video!

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

I really enjoy making those videos too. I bought that bad boy. Can’t wait to check it out. Thank you for the encouraging words. 😃

[@crashomega9808]

“Ali Express Necromancy Graphics card” says it all. 😂 When you know it’s going to take some kind of divine intervention to keep it from going up in a blaze of hellfire and brimstone!! Love the video!!!

[@veraxis9961]

Totally agree. I have always built my own PCs, but this trend of gaming prebuilts being made out of random recycled parts is terrifying. I can't imagine being a regular person or a parent shopping for computers and trying to fathom whether any random combination of multiple generations old CPUs and GPUs will produce a system even semi-usable for gaming.

[@HavokR505]

you know, you can mod that alienware case with some 1" (or something) legs and then probably cut out the bottom and mount a radiator and fans. if anything, the cooling wouldn't be half bad after that.

[@Coldfirebe]

The MK78 is a CCTV security camera monitor. The joystick, rs ports are used to connect to the camera to make pan tilt and zoom work. No idea why that came up for gaming 😅

[@thecrow781]

Also works well for Rockwell or Honeywell control systems

[@DFMurray]

They're also used for bomb disposal bots lol

[@Snowballowo]

rs232 is not compatible with vga (missing a row of pins), it is used in communication in industrial settings for the most part. We used it a lot in the military to automatically calibrate some devices using computers. Also some mice used this port, and CCTV controls apparently some other commenters have pointed out. Having one of those ports would've been killer for us, but likely isn't used by many devices you would use.

[@harrisonmauldin5090]

Id love to see you build a PC in the largest case possible, probably that corsair 5000 or whatever it is, and then put the smallest possible components into it, make the size proportions just go completely off

[@djpickle68]

@dawid Miss you buddy

[@trucid2]

4:43 It does seem to come with a monitor, so you're not paying for just the box.

[@thelastcomment8121]

Nowadays once you know enough to make an informed decision on a prebuilt you probably have learned enough to build your own.

[@Saprophyte2]

I had one of those old alien cyborg green alienware, I'm really looking forward to the Frankenstein's monster gaming system video that comes out of that.

[@vozzdancody9247]

The mini setup he was looking at with the joystick reminds me of the joystick used in the move Jackal with Bruce Willis where he builds that big ass gun and tears Jack Black apart with.....I'm not sure why that popped in my head but there ya' go lol

[@johnthresher259]

David, pick the most expensive Alienware and then match the spec by sourcing the components separately and see how much you can save.

[@josephvahabzadeh1289]

I am absolutely glad you bought the Green Machine... looking forward to your video with that beast!

[@alp_traume]

I once bought an off brand gaming mouse from local e-shop. It was a Mantis 780 and guess what 780 stands for? Grams… I had a full metal body mouse that periodically shortened itself out and had to be replugged to work again

[@aleksazunjic9672]

One of those fitness/exercise mice 😁 You need force to push it, and occasionally it gives you a shock so you wouldn't slack :P

[@MrMCDiggles]

Can't wait for the Alienware upgrade video. I just completed a retro sleeper in a 20 plus year old case with a matx mobo 1070 and amd 2600 cpu.

[@JR_GAMING_]

Enjoy your holiday dawid - it is well deserved after some great videos - thanks so much

[@nicholsliwilson]

Bless you @Dawid Does Tech Stuff RS232 is old school 9pin serial. It’s on there because a lot of these mini PC’s are meant to replace stone age PC’s running very old industrial milling machines etc.

[@DctrGizmo]

Man that green Alienware is like a time capsule. I’m so glad that the gaming PC market has matured a lot since then.😊

[@th3ch0z3n]

If you want to make a new cool series, go to a few business liquidation auctions and buy a few workstations. It will make the viewers livid seeing for how much you will be able to buy them for on scale (100-200 PCs). I work for a liquidation company (forbidden from bidding ourselves) and just the other day a ebay refurbisher bought 150 Workstations with the old 4gb Quatro and mostly i5 -6600 to i7-7760 for $2000 for the whole lot.

[@LazuliteLol]

Your rants are so entertaining! You should make a ranting series lol.

[@Tn2dc24eva]

Enjoy your holiday Dawid

[@Aceolotl_real]

It's a good day when darwid posts

[@ewasteredux]

Have a great vacation! I look forward to future content, computing chaos and comedy as you always provide. My favorite by far...

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Thanks! It’s been great so far. 😃

[@jamesbrassfield8409]

Hello everyone

[@anoniemegamer]

Hello

[@utilitywizard]

Hiii

[@HeadshotGaming127]

Hi

[@lewismansbridge5558]

Hello

[@First-Name_Last-Name]

Hullo

[@justsumguy2u]

If you want a pre-built, I'd recommend only buying from major-name manufacturers, not some dude building pc's out of his garage with random parts. HP's Omen is a pretty solid deal

[@DankerTVTimeCapsule]

i would be curious to see those dual screen laptops tested.

[@cleengreeny]

RS 232 is a fancy name for the old serial ports of the '90s.

[@Denariio]

Everyday that goes by I learn to appreciate consoles more. I have a fully built gaming PC that was a pain in the ass to find all the parts I wanted for, and get to post and have all my drivers updated constantly. I can appreciate the simplicity that is just picking up an Xbox or playstation, pressing the power button and playing immediately and all games are properly optimized. Even though it's 60fps I don't mind.

[@romeocrumb1]

😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 oh god, not the drivers. Constantly? try like once every month or two for graphics drivers, and almost never for anything else.

[@jgray4997]

@@romeocrumb1 facts, cant even remember the last time I updated my drivers.

[@eldibs]

There's nothing wrong with that, bro. Sometimes you just want to play a game without any hassle, I understand that. For me though, the tinkering and optimization is part of the fun.

[@makuIa]

consoles are great for families with kids or when your girlfriend comes over & wants to pick up a controller & game with you for an hour. computers are very anti social in that matter unless it’s online

[@Denariio]

​@@makuIamost of the games I play on PC are usually single player offline games so it already feels lonely.

[@Pharren88]

Your channel is my favorite new tech channel. I love the chaotic energy.

[@cry2crysty]

YES HE POSTED

[@unidenprizes]

Thank you for your videos Dawid! They have been my go to whenever I have down time when the kids aren’t awake or before bed, lunch time from work etc! Shit is comical and informative haha. The channel is my decompress portal 👍🏽

[@Sheerwinter]

Building is becoming easier than buying prebuild. 😅 Quality component is a way to go.

[@RollerCoasterLineProductions]

That’s why I bought a prebuilt middle of the road from NZXT, I built several of my own 20 years ago and right after I bought the prebuilt gaming PC I decided to build my own NAS using a fractal case and Unraid. The terminology and options are CRAZEE!

[@Ferrari255GTO]

If most of them weren't absolutely terrible i'd love to have an Alienware case, they have such crazy and cool desings sometimes

[@raven4k998]

it runs great it just does not turn on

[@ScavengerFX]

Have a safe trip. It's going to suck going three weeks without you and your content. I think you should make a video on ALL the things you talked about in this video.😊

[@Selvanii]

is dawid dead or something ?

[@LordLOC]

He literally says in the video he's going on vacation/holiday for a couple weeks.

[@Selvanii]

I didn't watch it cause i'm not interested in this type of his videos, i checked at the beginning and the end and found nothing... Thanks tho !

[@FrancoGrimoldi]

14:20

[@Selvanii]

@@FrancoGrimoldi That's my bad, THANKS !

[@josejuanandrade4439]

I heard he quit KZbin.

[@antredemobydinou]

RS232 is an old video output used mostly for scientific applications. I worked in an hypercam company and that's what we used as a signal output, because it's very stable. RS232 to VGA cables exists.

[@P3S4R]

Easy solution, buy alienware, they're the most reliable PC manufacturer and their PCs and Ventilation are godly!!!

[@kfdjhnhurjnnbjhu3ip410]

nah

[@amindlost]

9:25 RS-232 is a serial communication port. Prior to the introduction of the PS/2 port, they were primarily used for connecting a mouse. They have more use in industrial applications, which is what this thing looks like it might be for. Much like the parallel communication port (as was used to connect printers), they have largely gone the way of the dodo in modern PCs. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go yell at that cloud over there.

[@HarimeNuiChan]

We miss dawid. I am sad without my daily dose of mad Canadian do tech stuff. I hope he come back.

[@walkingin6375]

Finally you do this, I've been wanting to get a solid PC but could only find your older vids, and yeah. It's a nightmare now. I've never built or made a PC, and I don't have a ton of cash, but I want something solid.

[@curvingfyre6810]

Its definfitely still possible to outshoot consoles in price and performance both, I've done it with my personal system, but I bought used parts and found the hidden workaround deals to get there. Its hard times.

[@johncundiff7075]

Enjoy your vacation!!! Love your quality content every week.. You will be missed!!

[@HastyRhombus760]

Big D. you can easily remove the front drive cages of the Alienware the put a RAD in the front AND a big GPU in it. Just drill out the rivets holding on the cages and you're good to go. You HAVE to include the modding action. Can't wait to see how this goes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Seizuqi]

damn im hyped for your upcoming videos on that aliexpress "pc" and that ebay alienware, cool vid

[@Bullwinkle39]

I cant believe how crazy those prices are. Last year we bought my step daughter a full setup for about £250 😮

[@BlueThunder1965]

I hope you are feeling ok. We all miss your content.

[@alanmoore78]

I think the biggest change in my opinion is that Amazon and NewEgg now seem to allow these other marketplace sellers to list items as NEW even though they contain primarily USED or refurbished parts. I would love to buy a pallet or three of old Optiplex mini towers (not SFF or micro) and find some fire sale GPUs and PSUs and fabricobble them all together to sell "new" computers and it seems that's what's happening now and I missed that boat. Maybe I should collect a few thousand Chromebooks and put Mint on them and sell them instead.

[@elvisburton6199]

I **LOVED** my R.A.T.s back in the day!!! Do a modern day mouse comparison video. Please. Hell, do mouse pads as well. I'll make you my best friend.

[@slerched]

RE: the MiniPC thing. What to remember is, like you said in the video, it's basically a laptop in a box. Depending on cooling etc it might perform better but overall, it's a laptop in a box. I picked up a GEEKOM Mini IT12 w/ an i7 and couldn't be happier with it for a Blu-Ray ripping, emailing, web browsing, KZbin watching, Moonlight Game Streaming super box. Local gaming on it, with the "amazing" Intel Iris? Yeah... there is a reason I use Moonlight from my primary gaming rig. Of course, I bought this before I saw companies like Minisforum were selling AMD models with what is recognized as just under GTX 1050ish levels of graphic capability. When this machine needs to be replaced, I am fairly confident that is the route I would go. I too was mesmerized by that ridiculous one with the crazy power button but went more traditional instead since I wanted to hide it behind my monitor anyway. lol Enjoy your vacation Dawid! And thanks for giving me some giggles, smiles, and laughs.

[@David73977]

Yes, just yes. All of the videos. The more the better. Your videos are always great. I also used your video to build a computer back in 2020 and I've been watching your content since.

[@Caldron]

Oh goodie! More madness with dubious peripherals is on the way! Excellent work Dawid! And well, though you scraped the surface to get some good refurbished/reconstructed? cards, i can attest JieShuo's a trustworthy brand. I've been using a 6600XT from them for almost a year and it's been excellent so far. I do suggest that you get the Alienware. That specific model was one of the last ones that didn't implement the bizarre proprietary designs, boards or power supplies, so you may have a good chance to get a lot of content on the A51...getting necromancer'd to the modern gaming times! Give it a spin! Happy holidays on whatever endeavors you're having! Looking forward for your return, and even more computing peripherals shenanigans.

[@robbylatham]

RS-232 is for serial communication, not video signals. The BNC connectors are for the video on that piece of equipment.

[@SOF006]

I have a Minisforum HX80G Mini PC for my TV so I can play games from my bed and its a beast. Can play Destiny 2 with no issues, and its really quiet. Mini PCs have become so impressive over these last couple years.

[@BocVel]

Bro those AliExpress and and amazon shopping journeys would be amazing on a stream format, with all the tangents looking for non PC stuff

[@jomeyqmalone]

Except for some non-PC stuff that will show up and get your account suspended. Thanks aliexpress

[@Xxbte96xX]

I would love to see this same type of video but with laptops. I've been trying to help a buddy of mine find something at a decent price and it's been kinda tough.

[@jeffreypaul9428]

BUY THE GREEN ALIENWARE (of course you already did) Those core 2s should be horridly slow, can't wait!

[@samvega827]

So excited for the classics! Cant wait to see the review video!

[@jamaicankyng]

Hurry back from your vaca bro, we miss you!!!

[@angelrodriguez-cr1eu]

I love this channel I just started getting into gaming pc and built my first one 3 months ago and love it

[@witmoncure2996]

Is it me or is David looking better than last year I haven't watched a vid in a while though.

[@voidokami1427]

That cyborg green alienware pc gave me flashbacks to my childhood and seeing ads for em in tech magazines

[@Wynorrific]

It's times like these when you get grateful you have knowledgeable friends or are said friend

[@Lyander25]

Best intro ever cuz everyone knows longer is better 😁. Kidding aside, didn't know that that Alienware was a pre-Dell acquisition one, hyped!

[@FacePasta777]

Its crazy. I built my current rig for 1200 and that's including all the peripherals. It has a 5600x and a 6700xt in it with 32GB of ram and 2 m.2 drives

[@miaiguy]

i cannot wait for the video with the fukushima green alienware case, i love to see people building in these wacky cases more than reviewing wacky prebuilds

[@InsanityPrevails]

Aww :( Well, I hope you have fun on your vacation Dawid, I'll miss your videos :D

[@ABOR4J3H]

i like watching your videos and eat my breakfast for every video you make, you're super entertainer for a builder gamer

[@peacemaster8117]

I'm currently working on buying parts for my second ever PC build, and it's terrifying. I'm planning to spend more money than I've ever spent on a single thing before, and then I have to snap it all together in the right order without shorting anything out... people who are really into PC hardware always say "building your own PC is easy" and I don't think they appreciate how that's only true if you're already someone who's really into PC hardware. For the rest of us it's really goddamn stressful.

[@QuicknStraight]

Build your own has always been the way to go, to get exactly what you want at a reasonable price. Some things never change!

[@petrinafilip96]

You need to find a reputable local store and stick with them. I have one in my city like a 10 min ride from me. They actually sell solid configs with a small markup and have experienced guys working there (and they are also fast). Bought all my IT related stuff in the past 7 and half years from them.

[@thecrow781]

Just so you know RS232 is basically a special com port that is still being used in the industrial pc space, that thing with the joy stick is very nice for a control room pc

[@patricktrakzel9657]

Have a nice holiday Dawid. And as always great fun to watch.

[@J03130]

nice to see its not just me who ends up looking at the most random shit when I'm just perusing the online stores lol.

[@jeremymcguire7069]

I love the Rosetta Stone image! I won't spoil it for the other viewers, but... pause the video and read the stone!

[@Dfm253]

I built my PC with mostly used components. My current setup has components I’ve paid about $1000 for (granted my case was a birthday gift from a friend, so it’s not included in that figure). I’m running an I9-11900k and an RX 7900XT, with 32gb of ddr4 3200mhz, a 1tb NVME boot drive, and a 1tb Sata SSD for additional storage, powered by a Seasonic 1250w gold power supply. The RAM, Storage, and 360mm AIO CPU cooler were new, but the rest was used.

[@Anaerin]

That "Thing" with the big joystick and RS232 port is for controlling CCTV cameras and their pan/tilt/zoom functions. The two BNC connectors on the back are where you connect old analog CCTV cameras (Which worked up to 1080p believe it or not).

[@kuchenblechmafiagmbh1381]

SDI is still in use to this day, the last standard SMPTE ST 2082 better known als 12G UHD-SDI supports a whopping 12 Gbps via such an ordinary coaxial cable with BNC connectors. Oh and I just discovered that there's another newer standard, SMPTE ST 2083 with 24 Gbps and 2160p120, so almost like HDMI 2.1...

[@arthurmann578]

Have a nice vacation Dawid! See you when you get back! 👍👍

[@Svetoslav85]

Hi Dawid. Great content as always. There are still great deals on eBay. Recently I won an auction for a pre build configuration with R7 5700G, ASRock A520 motherboard, 16GB Patriot DDR4 3200, 1TB Kingston nvme, 650W PSU, all in a fancy minitower case full with RGB fans for just a EUR117. I added a brand new Gigabyte RX6600 for another EUR180 for a great budget build on a cheap.

[@HugoViertutakk]

Holy moly this was fast. Always glad to see Daddy Dawid post another banger.

[@Driftwood420]

I got an absolute steal on a laptop a few days ago. Originally was planning to get a mini PC with a 7735HS so I can stream HDR 4K from my PC at a low wattage but then saw I might as well just get an Asus Tuf A15 4060 laptop with the same processor. It's technically double the price at about a grand GBP on sale but Amazon had it in their pay over 12months deals so I couldn't say no. Especially given it obviously includes it's own high refresh rate IPS display and keyboard. Now I can do all the things I originally planned to do and do some decent gaming directly on the laptop. It's crazy how much cheaper it is than equivalent laptops atm. With PC's I think I'll just continue to build them myself given how messy the market is and even when it's not messy you never know how good the build is gonna be, chances are it's pretty bad even if the specs are good

[@drew2626]

Honestly I have a similar Laptop but with a 7840HS and I definitely think a 4070 mobile would be a much better match for the CPU because I’ve seen it where the 4060 seems to be bottlenecking the CPU at times

[@valkasolidor6727]

I always get some laughs from Dawid. I was drawn in by the topic that seemed relevant to a budget gamer, and right out of the gate he's professing his love for using it as occasion to buy more Ali Express etc. 😁

[@TooLazyToFail]

Enjoy your time off! This was fun.

[@affiliateanimalistic9607]

Yes please! AliExpress mouse goodness roundup would be nice 😂

[@TheSpotify95]

RS232 is a serial port, not a VGA port. Serial ports were commonly used for peripherals before the widespread adoption of USB.

[@thebard20]

I bought a tablet this year (that I am quite happy with) but it took me a long time to actually buy it because the description was so vague and seemingly wrong that I couldn't be sure what model I was buying - and it was the manufacturer that was selling it on amazon

[@queden1841]

7:43 I agree, get the configuration that'd get the biggest heat-load and see how easily it throttles. Maybe you could get some content for trying stupid measures to cool it

[@piewackete]

I’m pretty much a casual pc gamer, last pc I built was a pentium 4 with 1 gig ram and I don’t even remember what video card back then but it was like 03-04 if I remember correctly so I was completely lost. I ended up building a pc with a MSI B550 motherboard and a ryzen 5 3600, 1tb Samsung NVMe SSD, 16 gigs of Corsair vengeance DDR4 ram and a amd Radeon rx580 video card and I’m able to play everything I want mainly gta 5 and resident evil 4 remake

[@mobnishi251]

I opened the KZbin to watch a certain video. But I found out there's a new dawid video so i opened it as fast as possible

[@CaryGordon3k]

That device with the rs-232 port (basically a serial port) looked a bit like a controller with display for a camera system. Joystick for controlling the camera's movement and you likely can twist the top for zoom in and out control. The fact that it also has a green phoenix style port on the back really screams of A/V type equipment. I would have to see the listing to be sure, but I don't think this is the Droid you're looking for.

[@nheather]

RS232 takes me back many years, decades in fact. It is a telecoms standard not graphics and was used for connecting things like modems, printers, fax machines and possibly early controllers, mice, trackballs, joysticks.

[@Njazmo]

No, printers used parallel ports, not serial. Joysticks had bigger ports, usually came with audio card. But thanks for trying.

[@nheather]

@@Njazmo Before being so condescending you should get your facts right. There absolutely were/are printers that use RS232 and there were/are joysticks that use RS232. For example there are thermal printers today that use RS232 and there are industrial joysticks today that use RS232. If you don’t believe me, try Google. Yes there were parallel ports and game ports, I never said there weren’t. I just gave some examples of what RS232 was/is used for.