Short and Efficient Falco Practice Routine

[@Dr3am9553]

Hey btw you should tell them a way to disable staling. It helps a bunch as if you get used to the timing of it unstale you can never do it too fast. Source: this used to be a huge problem of mine. I could never combo of the first shine of a stock but after it was 1 unit stale i could do multishines and westballz shines perfectly (on shield) with no effort.

[@RemixSSBM]

That's actually a pretty significant thing that I haven't thought much about in the past. Thanks for pointing it out. Depending on what you're doing, you may want it on or off. Go to the debug menu and find the "damage staling in develop mode". You can disable the staling there, then in game, pause and keep pressing dpad right until you turn on both 20XX and develop mode, then unpause with X+dpadup. Savestates reset staling as well, so if you need to practice combos with specific pre-existing stale queues, or perhaps a fresh queue, Dpad right to save, dpad left to load.

[@sprenzy7936]

So the most optimal way to practice combo is to practice unstale?

[@AfroSnackey]

What does staling have to do with the timing?

[@RemixSSBM]

+AfroSnackey Hitlag is determined by damage, so if staling crosses a certain point, it can change the timing for techniques. For example, as Fox if you shine someone 9 times in a row, the 10th will only have 4 frames of hitlag instead of 6, changing the timing.

[@David-xq3bg]

Anyone watching this, remember to stay relaxed while doing these! Coming from a new falco player, it makes all the difference in-game. When I practice tense, I play tense, and when I practice relaxed, I play relaxed. Save those hands. Great video btw, super helpful!

[@rektyrektingson4668]

J Therl appreciate it bro. New smash player here. Transitioning from Jiggs to Samus to finally, Falco. Melee is hard.

[@smallman9787]

I appreciate this comment so much. Unfortunately, tense vs. relaxed is something everyone must learn for themselves. If anyone happens upon this in the future, try paying attention to the amount of muscles in your hands (and the rest of your body) that are squeezing

[@AndersonCrush]

Gotta say, 2 days of practice and already seeing my improvments

[@HieronymousLex]

Terms like forward jump instant short hop fast fall l-cancel down air out of shield are why I love melee so much... there’s just so much depth and options available to each player at every moment

[@SaveAsUntitled]

Awesome video!

[@kennethzheng3735]

Wow, I love your videos as well. Cool that' you're here!

[@cfalcon8342]

stfu

[@ethaaannnn7315]

Saw this video as soon as I Loaded up Melee And started practicing Falco Thanks👍

[@vincentaguirre1691]

I don't even play melee and I love this.

[@kooltyme]

????

[@vincentaguirre1691]

@@kooltyme?

[@ItzWolfyy]

My hands hurt now

[@skylarfox_bmb]

Good

[@antoniobanda9404]

Another thing that is important is learning how much different moves give shield lag so you know when to shine oos

[@Chugdollar]

May the gods of 20XX bless your soul for this video 🙌🏻

[@whjk83921]

I'm glad you're making videos again. Really appreciate all of these.

[@Lemonard0]

I think adding more movement with lasers like isai drop lasers or shield drop lasers or dj ff lasers to cover top and side plats would make it a lot better. Also perfect waveshine oos isn't necessary imo, I think elevated shines are good enough with good shield positioning..

[@droppingcombos]

Great tutorial, thanks for sharing.

[@dajambo1]

watching this as a beginner is so daunting lol. Got so long to go

[@luketaylor9709]

Would be awesome if you helped push mid tiers with videos focused on them. There's so much info and videos on top tiers it would be nice to see stuff on the rest

[@luketaylor9709]

But great video

[@miniyodadude6604]

Luke Taylor I think its good to have someone focus on top tiers, the common player needs to know things like this and we need a content creator that creates quality content without the purpose of entertainment, but for the purpose of teaching

[@mini8964]

It's like a real workout...but it's actually fun!!

[@Sabbathfaax]

bro i can't even short hop consistently

[@tokey1920]

You'll get there bro. It's all about practice

[@davisbreci5332]

i know you said this a year ago, but to anyone else reading this with the same problem: start with bowser; its almost impossible to miss a short hop with him as you have eight frames to let go of jump. After that, move to the zelda characters (not shiek though) as they all have a six frame window, then to falco (5), then to marth (4), then to fox (3).

[@Xirxem]

Please keep doing these! Great videos. Would love a falcon one :)

[@kennethzheng3735]

This will help me soooo much with Falco. Profuse Thank yous.

[@kooltyme]

how did it go

[@sumender9011]

how did it go

[@conemedemelee20]

sick routine

[@capsuh]

ooo i've been looking for a video like this--NOICE.

[@MrCabuk]

Love ur Videos thank you so much. Would you mind to make a falcon 20xx routine?

[@narutouzumakijoshua]

You should have had a section about double lasering, practicing low ones and high ones. Practicing double lasering from the edge, low and high, and practicing the short hop reverse double lasers to edge guard after grabbing the edge is really good as well. Regardless still an amazing video.

[@RemixSSBM]

Those lasers don't require extremely precise inputs that you'd want to practice every day like what I tried to put in the routine here. Not that you shouldn't practice them, but I'd group them together into a separate practice routine that focuses on all sorts of lasers, which you could do in addition to this on a day where you devote a longer time to a practice session

[@narutouzumakijoshua]

Remix sounds good, might also want to add a section in there of like a minute of wavedashing out of shield and doing short hop aerials out of shield (forgot if you included those already)

[@RemixSSBM]

I have an analog short hop aerial out of shield (down air) in this, so you could change that to any aerial basically. But in general, change the routine to whatever you want. This is a framework, so if you need to work on wavedashing out of shield, fit it in somewhere. I'd probably recommend somewhere near the beginning or in the first half.

[@LunarDuskSSBM]

Glad to see that you're back! Now make one for us poor Ice Climbers mains. I can only wobble for so long before it becomes boring. :p

[@RemixSSBM]

hahaha sorry i actually have no idea how ice climbers work

[@maxfennimore9964]

Falcon next!

[@cr0wguitar]

Anyone else read this as Falcon exclaiming "Falcon.. NEXT!", then realize afterwards they're requesting a Falcon vid next?

[@fatalfoams]

Max Fennimore Yes please!

[@night8002]

if you go to regular melee set it to time and set CPU behavior to stay you can do the same thing without the training overlay

[@yuugen2199]

I can't even dash dance consistently, I just turn around

[@shuteyebeats]

Great content, keep it up

[@pic0des]

great stuff . any chance of making a falcon video?

[@RemixSSBM]

Definitely, though I'm not sure when I'll release it. Probably late October, once I begin learning Falcon after The Big House 7.

[@JarvisDiscGolf]

SHEIK NEXT DUDE!!! YOUR VIDS ROCK!

[@jpetrullo6890]

as a falco player this has way too little lasers and grounded shine oos is not efficient whatsoever with falco because unless youre at low percent you're usually aerial shine oos into backairing. but yea need like 1000x times more lasers lol

[@Marfweasel]

You rock bro this shit is the goat frfr

[@eclipse7418]

Yes amazing video 😄

[@CristianCastro-q2x]

THANK YOU!!! 🙌

[@edboi5354]

thank you remix

[@Riderization]

If I cannot activate de A+dPadUp and A+dPadDown it means I do not have the necessary 20XX version? Great vid, been looking for something like this, ty. Gonna have to practice some of these individually, tho, I cannot perform all of them with a decent consistency right now

[@RemixSSBM]

Look at 0:04 in the video, see how it says 4.07++? If it says that, it's the right version. If the inputs are not working, you probably forgot to enable 20XX codes, which I show how to do at the beginning of this, that being pause > dpad right.

[@Riderization]

Remix Thanks. The pause + dpad right works, just the next two don't. Imma check that, thanks.

[@MapOfTheLost]

I know this video isn't intended to tell you how to practice, but the only thing I can't find information on how to do correctly is the dash>wavedash I always end up shielding or spot dodging (I can do a wavedash on its own though). I'm pretty new to melee and I want to try and get my movement down and this seems pretty important.

[@RemixSSBM]

+Duke Dijon of Dunkirk Best tip for you I'd probably say is to slow it down. Put long pauses in between each movement so you have time to think of what you need to do. The more you do it slowly, the easier it will get and the faster you can go. Getting a shield or spot dodge makes me feel you're going to fast and losing track of input order. Keep it slow and methodical. Dash, jump, air dodge.

[@MapOfTheLost]

@@RemixSSBM Thanks!

[@Aio-Project]

these guides are ait, you should start with just dashes or wavedashes and slowly warm up to complex grounded movement. also practicing laser-dash back or laser-wavedash back are a huge part of his neutral so those need to be included. also shine grab itself is not hard, you need to practice it after a sh nair or laser. also i don’t understand the falcon techchase mentality either. that’s something a lot of falcons cannot do consistently. it’s much more important to practice your own characters punish game. with the space animals reaction tech chases are just about positioning yourself after something like a nair that puts your opponent in knock down

[@mist7628]

Finding it hard to dash dance for a certain length of time, and my hands and wrist get slow and sore after like 2 mins of wave dashing

[@LucRice]

Do marth

[@sean4850]

^

[@narutouzumakijoshua]

Pleeease do a sheik one, this is so good, I need one for sheik cuz I feel like she’s so boring to practice. I need a practice routine.

[@RemixSSBM]

I could probably do one for Sheik, but no guarantees it won't be boring :P Might be a while before I do though. Lots of videos to do.

[@narutouzumakijoshua]

Remix I really just need an organized practice routine like this one haha but yeah take your time man no worries

[@bradentrimble2092]

This is great

[@rijsberman]

With a shine backair in the air, do the most players use analog stick to jump or x - y??? Im using analog now because it doesnt seem i can get to c stick fast enough from x or y?

[@RemixSSBM]

Both choices are popular, but I'd recommend using X/Y if you could

[@rijsberman]

Remix Alright thanks!

[@loganmcbroom9001]

Really helpful, thanks for this.

[@fatalfoams]

Falcon tutorial please!

[@DanielGomez-wn5lo]

think you can make a video on how to shine out of shield consistently and well?

[@RemixSSBM]

Hm. It's not the most simple topic, and a lot of it probably comes down to personal preference. I'll put it on my list but I wouldn't expect to make it for a while

[@Verdal_JG]

muscle memory pretty much i believe, nothing you can do about it but practice

[@amaretheartist5794]

Yo this is sick, any chance you'll do it for more characters?

[@RemixSSBM]

Yep. I will likely do Falcon at the very least, since I've had a lot of requests, but I'll probably do more eventually. What character would you like to see?

[@amaretheartist5794]

Dope, good to know. I'd def wanna see Peach eventually.

[@d9vid799]

Remix You should do jigglypuff/marth

[@riosol8950]

Why is the last step switch off falco and tech chase with falcon

[@RemixSSBM]

That step is intended for you to learn and react to different tech options. It's a simple set-up that can be explained regardless of the character being played. There's probably other tech situations that you can and should practice on Falco, but IDK exactly what to recommend. It's just important that you practice reacting to techs in some way

[@miniyodadude6604]

Sweet, ill edit this for fox

[@RemixSSBM]

I did one already for Fox, if you haven't seen it, though feel free to mix and match or add in your own stuff to tweak it to your liking: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIa3epyrfKaajbM

[@JackJohnson-gq7ny]

Why is it better to keep the second shine airborne with westballz pressure?

[@kooltyme]

i think its the grab

[@kooltyme]

they can't grab you then

[@loganreidy7055]

marth guide?

[@gedalifable]

Now im training to beat this guy at my school...no tournament intended just to beat this guy

[@hahaminenowo7]

rip hands

[@lewispeacock2170]

Not sure I like this. Every single thing on this list depending on your player level deserves a lot of attention if you are not so good at them. In my mind it's much better to focus on one particular tech from week to week and it's implementation (outside of playing people) while practicing the other tech you already know in friendlies. It's pretty often you see people with a lot of random tech but also with a lot of inconsistent tech which is what I imagine lightly practicing each one often leads too.

[@RemixSSBM]

The idea of this routine is to optimize your practice to save time as much as possible. There have been many studies that show that learning something is most easily done via daily practice and sleep. Volume has been found to help, but it's less playtime-efficient. If you need to learn something incredibly fast, yes, you'll likely need to spend a lot more time on it, but this routine is designed as a long term time saving supplement to help focus practice on important techskill without getting sidetracked. I aimed to hit most of the important pieces of techskill in this, and to distribute the time in accordance to how important they are. It's just a suggestion though, and ever player should tweak it if they know certain things need to be worked on more than others. For a complete beginner, this routine probably goes too quick for people to execute some of the moves even once, so in that case, they'd definitely need to spend more time, but this is intended for mid level players who should already be able to do most of this, or at least learn it with a small amount of practice, and then iron it out through days of repeated use.

[@kyleblasberg]

I think this training routine is more for polishing up your tech skill and working on being able to do everything more cleanly and consistently rather than learning new tech

[@Verdal_JG]

I like this list, but i think you put too much emphasis on multishine/weston dennis pressure, instead of focusing on the lasers. Many mid-level falcos like me have trouble moving around with lasers on platforms, dropping under them consistently and lasering, etc. Loading up on yoshis is the best way to practice it, since the timing window is pretty strict for this.

[@RemixSSBM]

Right, I agree... But lasers are pretty complex and hard to slot into a routine like this, especially if people aren't aware of which lasers are possible and which they should be practicing. I simply put 2 basic defensive lasers since they are easy to explain, and left out all the complex ones for a separate laser practice routine. I felt I couldn't fit in any significant laser things without breaking the flow, or making it strange to not include others, which would make the routine longer than 30 minutes, and I wanted to avoid that. If there are certain lasers you think are super important, you can slot them into this routine as you see fit. Personally though, I'd leave them to a separate routine.

[@nyaxellemonte4230]

I don't understand how you dash dance like that. I can only move very slightly left or right with my dashes. It takes about 20-30 dashes to make it to the other side of the stage. Am I moving to quickly or something?

[@RemixSSBM]

It just takes practice. Try to think of it as a "1-2.... 1-2.... 1-2...." kind of timing, where 2 inputs are close to each other, then there is a delay before it repeats. Getting across the stage in a certain number of dash dances takes practice and is why I suggest practicing it daily. Make sure you're not releasing the stick after you dash, as that reduces your distance you travel. The longer you can delay in between repetitions, and the shorter you can make the time between 2 the quick inputs, the less repetitions you will need to get across the stage.

[@Azzucips]

why do i feel like i've watched this video before?

[@Azzucips]

was assuming there's a fox version and i watched that

[@willblaker3746]

Can you do a peach tutorial

[@RemixSSBM]

Hmmm... There's a few I could do. One in particular is how to clean up FC aerials, which the concept for it could apply to all characters, so it's likely I'll do that at some point. Is there a particular topic you had in mind, or a style of video you'd like to see?

[@TheThreetooth]

Soooooooo you can full hop with Falco on Battlefield and reach the top platform with no input lag. I think its easier and faster than wavelanding but wavelanding is also easy when you get used to it.

[@virid6819]

fullhopping to the top ledge takes longer than double jump waveland

[@TheThreetooth]

@@virid6819 Not on Battlefield or Dreamland

[@virid6819]

@@TheThreetooth it takes longer to full hop to the ledge on both of those maps. it might be easier for you and the time difference isn't huge but it's still barely slower

[@TheThreetooth]

@@virid6819 the thing is you auto cancel on those stages instead of waiting out the waveland frames. You will be able to get a move out by full hopping on top platform on those stages as falco instead of wave landing

[@kooltyme]

@@TheThreetooth if u practicing this cardio workout you may as well do the dub jum

[@matt4193]

I don't even have a gamecube controller anymore

[@turtlechamp8325]

Lol

[@9Arc]

how do you get that version of 20xx though, I only have the memory card version that I think was also the first edition

[@RemixSSBM]

You need a Wii if you want to play it on console, or you have to play on Dolphin. If you want to set it up and need help, you can join my Discord and I'll help you there. The Discord link is in the description

[@stus2159]

I can't do any of this crap lol. Feelsbad. Edit: oh yea i can occasional do a wavedash.

[@CWNIII]

How do you recommend shining oos?

[@RemixSSBM]

Jump, shine. Lol, honestly it doesn't matter what technique you use to execute it, it just takes practice to not press down too early.

[@rijsberman]

anyone multishine tips? i use Y but its just not coming throuigh yet..

[@RemixSSBM]

Is there something in particular you're struggling with? If you can provide some more details I might be able to help, but sometimes it's just a matter of practicing until you can get the movement right.

[@rijsberman]

Yeah so, im not sure if I my motion should be, b y b, or b , then slide from y to b. If that makes sense. The first b in the sequence being shine of course. Also, doubleshine timing seems to be slower on a shield then when alone is that correct?

[@RemixSSBM]

Think of it as the initial b is just a start up, then for each shine after that you slide from y to b. And yes, hitting changes the timing by one frame, so I recommend practicing on a shield or something until you get the timing down.

[@maxislas3141]

How do you shine oos?

[@RemixSSBM]

While holding shield: Jump, shine. If you're spot dodging instead, you're pressing down too early... You have to press down AFTER you input the jump.

[@maxislas3141]

Remix thank you!

[@maxislas3141]

Remix What about Westballz double shine? I'm having trouble with that one

[@RemixSSBM]

Shine > Jump > Shine (in air) > Jump > Air Dodge down

[@maxislas3141]

you make this so much easier by telling me in words than 99% of the tutorials I see thanks a lot lol!

[@sp3ctum]

Do Puff! 🌝

[@daniellewis8350]

I once played a Falco on final destination who stood at one end of the map, and slowly approached me, keeping me in hitstun with his lasers. When he got to me he’d kick me off the map. He did that 3 times in a row. I was wondering if you knew anything about this combo or could tell me how to do it?

[@jginny]

well if you never figured it out i'd assume that he short hop fast fall lasered around 3 times into a forward smash. you can typically shield and full jump to get away from the hitstun

[@CyanideSprinkles]

i cnat even get girlfriemd how tf to so i do wave sheldrop fast air but when to DO IT TSHE LEGDGE LEVELS YOU ARE CHEATSING

[@leonardouliano4896]

I find that practicing tech skill leads to very little improvement overall, real playtime against real players on netplay or whatever will make you ALOT better.

[@gallo123]

You need both

[@LuanSilva-qn3oe]

[@WOLigma]

Fuck me im bad at this game