Gamer power (for gamers) - Eaton Tripp Lite Gaming UPS

[@collin5353]

You should get the lab to measure the changeover transient on UPSs to evaluate how truly uninterruptible they are.

[@ElectricityTaster]

Keep in mind decent PSUs have large capacitors that smooth out this sort of stuff.

[@Braiam]

If I remember correctly, there will be no changeover. The UPS is always online.

[@AMalas]

@@Braiam there are two types, ones that just shunt the wall power then go OHSHIT when power goes out, and the always online ones. But even the always online ones have transients, just not a 0 power region

[@chase2496]

@@Braiam The ideal response time for switchover that I've seen thrown around is no longer than a quarter of a cycle. So about 4ms on a power loss.

[@RAMXC]

​@@AMalas ​ @Braiam ​ There are a couple of types of UPS. This one is Line-Interactive and it has a switch time of around up to 12ms (it pauses when it goes to battery). Another type is "Double conversion online" and with this type you don't have any pause (0ms). The Online type uses more active elements and this is why it is more expensive and less efficient (and due to this it needs better fan cooling = more noise). The Online ones have the best output that you can get as it is generated from scratch inside the UPS. APC has a lot of whitepapers on their website (for free) regarding the UPS topology, if you are interested.

[@TheZoenGaming]

I'm a gamer and I've an APC Back-UPS Pro 1500 S with pure sinewave output. When I first moved to where I currently live the power would blink out for half of a second to 3 seconds several times during certain hours of the day. Needless to say, trying to do rendering work with my 3950X and 2080 required a UPS that would give me at least 5 minutes to avoid interrupting an 8 hour task or to save any work that had been completed in the event of actual power outages. I also got 3 smaller UPS for all the other sensitive devices, like the consoles, cable box, modem, router, TV, sound system, etc. An UPS is absolutely worth the money considering that we had to replace the cable box five times in two years before we plugged it in to a UPS.

[@TankleKlaus]

I'm curious as to where you live. Having lived in northern Germany for the nearly 22 years I've been alive for I've only ever witnessed one power outage, which lasted the entire evening, so I'm probably not who this is for

[@jaanikaapa6925]

When I have my own house I aim to have a full on battery system (ala Tesla Wall) for it. Use that to filter and clean the house's electricity. I've had a computer die over dirty electricity.

[@BioGenx2b]

@Carl Gunderson His grammar was just fine, but your spelling leaves much to be desired.

[@pofjiosgjsoges]

The UPS was turning on several times a day for a 1s, when reported to the energy provider it turned out that the connection of one phase on the building was loose. *) APC RS-800

[@TheZoenGaming]

@Carl Gunderson Nope. Grammerly didn't see a problem with it. Besides, I can't use something I don't have, and use of the UPS is implied by context. Also, speech patterns vary by area and I type the way I speak, just without the accent.

[@emmamitchell1582]

The standby power consumption would be a great metric to talk about

[@orcwarrior.]

Wow, cant believe they didnt 🤔

[@imryujins]

would love to see this, @LTT team!!

[@RavenSungOfficial]

@@orcwarrior. this is short circuit. They don’t do in depth metrics on this channel, just an unboxing / first look.

[@drewcipher896]

I have a different brand, but it draws about .5 watts standby when not charging. I havent recorded standby over the course of a day or more to account for periodic trickle charging. I imagine that would vary by battery chemistry.

[@Syvergy]

@@orcwarrior. It was a brand video anyway

[@michaelhubbard5013]

Mirroring other comments here, please do more UPS comparisons. I'm sure the Lab is planning on it more than likely, but it knowing the in and outs of various models would be nice.

[@Lord_zeel]

Absolutely. It's a product that really hard to actually validate too. Having them actually do empirical testing on them would be really awesome.

[@Maradiaga23]

Already have a 1500VA UPS, it keeps my 3080 and 12700k running at full speed, along with an alienware OLED, for like 8 minutes lol. It's enough for me to save my game and close it comfortably, and if I'm just browsing the web I get around an hour of use.

[@CreativityNull]

My 1500VA supports two PCs and a couple monitors for about 5 minutes. One is a 5800x and 6800XT and the other is a 3600 and a 1080. Has been wonderful when power goes out. I also have a 1000VA for a server and my networking equipment.

[@louistournas120]

8 min? Man that is short. I don't have a UPS but I wish it would run a PC for 5 h while the PC is almost idle (not gaming).

[@bigdaddywaffles_6748]

What UPS do you own and how has it help up for you im in the market for one but can’t decide.

[@Maradiaga23]

@@bigdaddywaffles_6748 A cyberpower BRG1500AVRLCD, has worked out well for almost 2 years, haven't had to change the battery or anything and it still has pretty much the same capacity as when new

[@abhinav28488]

I am in search of a good ups what ups are you using

[@ac.creations]

Pro tip: Get a small UPS for your router and modem for when the power flickers. So annoying to have the internet drop and wait until the router reboots. Been running a ups since my first build. Its an essential part of any modern station.

[@vgamesx1]

Not just flickers, if power goes out you can usually still have internet, meaning you can browse or watch videos on your phone for hours, maybe even a few days depending on your setup.

[@ac.creations]

@@vgamesx1 yea and my big one charges a phone twice easily.

[@RandarTheBarbarian]

Another pro tip, if you look you might be able to find units with bad batteries cheap or free, the lead acid batteries at least for my units were easy to swap and inexpensive. Got a dead one for free spent $40 on 2 batteries, which is about $200 less than the same model new. One of the batteries from the 1500va batteries turned out to be good enough for a 550va single battery unit that keeps my networking online for a little while if power drops, though I doubt very much it would last the full originally rated time. All in all would recommend.

[@kayburcky7146]

This is the best ups tip I saw so far. Idk I really don't care about ups in my usual PCs, not even my Nas. I'm from Germany and power outages are like 0.5-1 in a year events over here, most times over night. Never had any electric device I was just using go out in front of me because a power outage so I really don't see any need...

[@Nightykk]

Think we've had 1 power outage here in the last 15 years, the essential part probably depends a bit on where you live ^^'

[@XxZannexX]

As a UPS owner. A use case I didn’t think about initially, but found really useful. Is having your router/modem connected to it in the event of a power outage. All battery powered devices can stay connected. My USP can keep it going for a couple of hours.

[@Lord_zeel]

Absolutely. Losing power can at times make the modem and router just lose sync with each other too (you know how the instructions tell you to connect them and turn them on in a specific order? Yeah, it's not a lie.). So you then have to wait for them to come online, then manually reset them correctly, and wait some more. So much better to just have them NOT lose power.

[@louistournas120]

At least a modem and router are not too complicated. My modem needs 12 VDC and the router needs 9 VDC. I could connect those to a bunch of rechargeable AA batteries. The router needs 5.4 W. Unfortunately, a PC is complicated and I imagine, it needs 200 to 500 W depending on the CPU, video card and what you are doing with it.

[@jpjapers]

I actually really do want a UPS because storage integrity is a worry without one and id love some UPS comparison review content. Demo how long they last with different setups, how good their software is etc.

[@whasian1487]

Too many variables to be fair. Advice from an internet stranger, going bigger is better than not enough in the case of UPS choices. APC Back-UPS Pro 1500 is what I have connected to my 9900k + 2080ti rig. The detachable screen on the unit in this video is unique and kinda cool, but I'm happy with mine. Running 5 UPS units at my house currently.

[@davisbradford7438]

The EB3A from bluetti has a UPS function built in. 600W continuous with 1200W surge.

[@cryptearth]

if you worry about storage integrity then you surely use the wrong filesystem and wrong setup my guess: some "hardware"-raid (look it up - there's no such thing - it's all software but the difference is if it's run on the main cpu) in some weird config with only a standard filesystem not meant to used for such a config like standard ntfs or ext4/xfs have a look at storage spaces with ReFS or on linux go ZFS (which also makes its way into windows but is early alpha) - these are designed with failures in mind and protect against corruption caused by sudden power loss and incomplete writes while also self-healing with block-/file-based checksums so in the event of an failure they can identify the problem and don't override good data with bad garbage all you lose is the last incomplete write - that's it - the rest is recovered by the transaction-journal

[@ac.creations]

I dont know of any casuals who actually uses a UPS with software or even connected with usb.

[@otokbarleyfoot]

Agreed - I have a UPS, believe I purchased the correct wattage, but the first power outage it went through it didn’t cleanly switch from wall to battery and my PC shut off anyway

[@fidget2030]

I love seeing the nerdforge pc pop up in other ltt videos. It still looks awesome. Has anyone ever mentioned how the thermals are on that thing?

[@leviathan19]

considering is hard tube watercooling with a triple rad I suppose good?

[@fidget2030]

@@leviathan19 question is how much airflow the rad is getting for long term use. I mean, itll take a while for that water to heat up, but if the rad cant dump it its no help

[@vali20vali20vali20]

I suppose one cannot buy that, right? It looks AWESOME, the most beautiful thing I have seen recently, absolutely INCREDIBLE!

[@DatFluffyMonkey]

@@vali20vali20vali20 At the end of the LTTxNerdforge vid Linus mentions that the PC may be auctioned at a future LTX

[@joecosta3416]

@@vali20vali20vali20 Certainly not by mere mortals. Overshadowing the high end hardware, being that there are what, hundreds? of hours of intense HIGHLY-SKILLED labor by both Martina and LTT (mostly Martina), a value put on it would be extremely high. but if it's being auctioned off for charity, people will generally bid those up much higher because they're able to claim that as a tax write off. I'd be hard pressed to think it would go for less than $25,000 USD, but I'd honestly think it'd bring in probably more like $50k+ if the auction is open to the public and advertised on both LTT channels and the nerdforge channel, which it probably will be. With the MILLIONS of people seeing it who are already within the hobbyist PC space, $50k might even be ultra conservative. what Martina did on that build makes it nearly priceless, really. It depends if they straight up auction it, though, or if they maybe do a raffle style giveaway? Or something else. I guess that would determine whether it would just go to the person with the deepest pockets or not.

[@LuizFeReis]

Yes, more UPS videos please, it's always difficult to choose one

[@TheZoenGaming]

It shouldn't be hard. Tally up the maximum draw of the devices you plan to power during an outage and find a UPS with a higher throughput and enough capacity to to provide it for 5 minutes so that you can save any work/play and shut the devices off safely. If you are getting a UPS for a PC or consoles then make sure it has a pure sinewave throughput. I have a 1500 VA UPS with a throughput of 900 watts for my 700w PC and 180w HDR monitor.

[@LuizFeReis]

@@TheZoenGaming more concerned if brands and models really delivery what they promise and if the price makes sense

[@TheZoenGaming]

@@LuizFeReis Mine is rated to provide 900w for 4 minutes and 7 seconds when fully charged. Due to the "switchover cost" I'd get about 2 minutes to shut down when it cycled every second for a few minutes in the summer. During true outages, I'd get around 3 and a half minutes or so at full draw.

[@agps4418]

what 😂 why it's hard to pick a UPS? 😂

[@zoetmoments5625]

@@TheZoenGaming that a very bad way to use your UPS you are not meant to have the UPS loaded pass 50-70% of the rate Watt capacity. if you get a surge or spike or black out and you have a aged UPS or your battery may have degraded the UPS will not save you much maybe from an initial surge spike but the battery might just crap out form the load.

[@LordZareth]

I bought a UPS last year and its very nice to have. Don't get too many power outages but you'll be happy to have a UPS when it does happen.

[@thany3]

That's exactly the trade-off. Even if a power cut happens once in 3 years, if something like that might cost you 2 days of diagnosing and fiddling and maybe even replacing something, in my mind totally it makes up for the purchase price of the UPS.

[@someoneelse5005]

I am an engineering contractor. Losing an hour of work will set me back about $80 post tax, and I bought a UPS unit for $160, so in two hours of productivity I did NOT lose to a power outage, I reclaimed my investment. Mind you, this happened in under two weeks of owning one, so I highly recommend getting one.

[@ligametis]

@@thany3 No it doesn't. 20 years of daily electronic usage an no power cut made something serious.

[@TheRanguna]

What about fan noise, doesn't it bother you?

[@LordZareth]

@@TheRanguna No fan noise at all, at least not while its fully charged. A little fan noise if you have an outage and need to recharge the battery. Otherwise its completely quiet

That wireless display is the main thing that got my attention. Also, what made me buy a power supply was having to deal with two power outages in a month, as normally when one happened I considered buying one, but as they were not that common I ended up not doing so. Also, one of them being caused by a storm made me justify the reason for buying one to be able to give a bit of charge to my devices.

[@MrEljeffe666]

Can I ask why the display caught your attn? I can’t think of a single practical use for it.

@@MrEljeffe666 For me it's just the ease of access. Because of the location of my current UPS is position, it a bit uncomfortable to look at it when I'm trying to test something on my PC. For instance, a few days ago I was testing why just a game, in particular, triggers my power supply when booting it. So being able to see that monitor while launching that game would allow me to tinker with that game's performance profile more accurately instead of just limiting its power limit until it no longer randomly triggers my power supply.

[@MrEljeffe666]

@ ok. I can see that. Thanks. I didn’t think about applications for when power was still on. Thanks.

[@christopherpittman2689]

I don't know if its worth the premium over a UPS from APC or Cyberpower but yeah that wireless controlpad is pretty cool. I keep my UPS under my desk (stupid short cords!) and on the rare times when I need to be able to read the screen and access it, its a pain.

[@vgamesx1]

It's certainly cool, but any UPS with smart features allows you to plug it in via USB and use an app to configure it, depending on the app you can view most or all the stats using the app and if you really wanted a dedicated screen you can always dig out or buy an old phone, turn that into a display and have the app always open on the phone.

[@hyperturbotechnomike]

I think it's usefulness depends on location. I do have an UPS for my servers, which i use for work, but not for the desktop PC's, because the last time i had an outtake was over 10 years ago. The infrastructure here is very well maintained.

[@agps4418]

compared to mine, here we get outages every 22 hours! just for reference

[@BriBCG]

Yeah, unless you have frequent power outages or dirty power it's really just a waste. Unless you're doing ultra sensitive work just get a surge protector and that's good enough. I've lived in quite a few different locations and only one of them had power bad enough I picked up a UPS.

[@MattLT4]

We have very reliable power here too, but a couple of months back had a couple of flickers back-to-back. That was a scary moment while on the PC.

[@itscoolthough419]

@@BriBCG This is the information I was looking for. Where I'm at we've had about 4-5 outtages in 3 years? I wouldn't say that's a lot and they mostly have happened late at night when my PC is in sleep mode anyway (im assuming its less dangerous for it that way). In which case I wouldn't be able to wake up out of nowhere to turn it off properly anyway. I recently just built a top gaming PC and was getting paranoid about all the expensive parts getting messed up because of an outage so you gave me some reassurance 👍

[@aerialdarkguy]

One of the first things I bought when the pandemic hit. Working from home I knew it would be very important and didnt want disrupted. Even helps keeps internet powered when power goes out.

[@hannazakiy9861]

2:08 please i want to hear "or you DON'T NEED to save or wrap up everything, just hibernate your pc, when power comes back, turn it on again and you'll instantly back to business" i barely see anyone using this feature, it's very useful even on laptops (when your battery is dead)

[@phantom498]

Huh yea I never considered that too. But it gives much more peace of mind to just save and close something if you have sufficient time to do so.

[@yellowice0]

0:30 As someone who absolutely hates the sound and touch of any type of foam, I really appreciate that note, thank you editor!

[@LloydDunamis]

I am alright with such sounds, but I'd just like to pitch in that little cautionary details like this is very appreciated. Kudos!

[@CarthagoMike]

Seems like a pretty decent addition to my Steam Deck.

[@Mrminesheeps]

@@Syvergy Well that one went right over your head, didn't it bud?

[@ligametis]

Just buy a power bank

[@hannez001]

Obviously you're located in Canada, but maybe as a reference: Europe usually doesn't need this at all. I lived in the US for 1 year and had more power outages in the first month than in the whole 30 years I've lived in Germany. That's 2 in total and one of them was anounced 2 hrs in advance due to emergency maintenance. Even companies here don't usually have them for employee PCs. In the US at the company I worked at, every single desk had a UPS and there were sooooo many power outages.

[@darktrexcz]

where did you live? california?

[@hannez001]

@@darktrexcz Slightly north of Detroit, actually. Local power lines were mostly above ground, so the masts tended to fall down with even small storms. In Germany, local stuff is almost always underground, only the huge 100kV or something lines are above ground with steel masts.

[@danfr]

Don't forget the UPS protects against more than just full neighbourhood power outages. It also protects against data loss due to a circuit breaker tripping. e.g. Someone went and plugged a high power heater into the circuit your gaming PC is on.

[@kbeam418]

Underground wiring isn’t practical for distribution in the USA actually it’s damn near impossible in a lot of the country. With that being said Michigan is known for power outages it’s so bad that homeowners who can afford it have backup generators.

[@hannez001]

@@danfr Breaker tripping due to over current is less likely in Europe due to 220V instead of 110V. We have 16A breakers as the "standard" - this gives us ~3.5kW instead of ~1.6-2.2kW with the usual 15/20A breakers. Exceeding 3.5kW is quite a challenge. I had a dishwasher, huge coffeemaker and fridge on the same outlet in my last apartment - no issues.

[@trevorbeingtrevor]

Labs testing UPSs would be incredible, last time I was in the market it was pretty hard to discern if any of them would actually be worth the cost

[@d0nj03]

Also mentioning what battery chemistry is in that thing would be worth something. Not everyone wants a hazardous car-battery (lead-acid) in their homes, especially since LiFePO4 exists now, which is safer than traditional Li-Ion and way safer than lead-acid.

[@dbatti87]

I would love to see some more UPS videos, that measures - Noise levels (idle and typical load) - office/ livingroom use (basically impossible to find such videos with ambient sound) - Power consumption of the unit - How ture is the true sinewave? - Is it really capable of filtering noise, regulating larger changes in input voltage? (if advertized) - Inside look, build quality Keep up the great work!

[@appleimacdude]

Yes, build quality info? What components are used inside? Fire safety of unit? Read a ton of bad reviews on the big 3 regarding bad build quality and fires -

[@Neoxon619]

Considering the periodic power drops that I get in my neighborhood, this could be pretty useful. But at the same time, I mostly play on consoles.

[@notarobotto]

you can still use it, it would be kinda useless tho

[@graealex]

Imagine living in a country where the power is simply stable.

[@flameshana9]

I plug everything into my ups. I used to have my ps4 on it.

[@TheZoenGaming]

I've got console and a PC, I have a big 1500VA APC Back-UPS Pro 1500 S with pure sinewavefor my PC and monitor, and I've got a smaller 1000 VA UPS with pure sinewave for my consoles, TV, and sound system, and a 300 VA UPS for the cable box, modem, and router. I can play right on through any power dips, spikes, and blinks.

[@wyattjohnsontech]

Hi LMG Team, i had some follow up questions that i think were missed during this short circuit. 1- Will eaton be making 2200 VA models [for higher end machines?]. 13th gen with a 4090 might not like that UPS :D. 2- How does that external display charge? Can people leave it on their desk / mount it and charge with a USB? Awesome video and super interesting "gaming" product addition.

[@rightwingsafetysquad9872]

It appears to have a USB-C connection in it's slot on the main unit. I'm not sure why you would need or want to have it on your desk all the time, but in theory it would work.

[@zoetmoments5625]

They weight quite a lot do not be fooled by the size. Also you will not get a 2200 VA for cheap that is server side class UPS your starting to look at and if you do it will cost you a lot more there is a UPS by APC which allow you to add multiple extended battery to cost about $600 for for the unit and the extra battery is about $150 dollars plus. that for the none commercial grade one. They also have one for rackmount option but that cost about £/$2-3K so yeah good luck. Also Linus failed to mention an important info. You want a UPS that is pure Sinewave especially for sensitive electronics. you don not want the modulated / simulated wave pattern. Cyberpower is selling a (always Online pure sinewave UPS + battery back up) APC version cost a lot more. Cyber power also have an app control for the UPS.

[@tunafish4557]

I'm sure somebody at somepoint will come out with a consumer grade product that works with the new PSUs you will either have to live with a lower tier PSU or no battery backup for now unless you want to wire your game center with a 220 and use a server grade one the sales rep at APC recommeded that to me lol the unit cost 5k plus you have to pay a contractor to hookup the correct outlet

[@deepenigma]

In North America 2kVA UPSes from pretty much any manufacturer almost always come with a 20A T-slot plug, not the more familiar 15A plug. A set I installed at work a couple years back actually shipped with 20A twist plugs, and adapters to convert to the 20A T-slot.

[@darktrexcz]

A fully overclocked 7950x with a 4090 stays under 900 watts continuously for me on my ups, so a 1500va/1000w should be just fine.

[@Lord_zeel]

Something to watch out for: Active Power Factor Correction. I can't explain what it is and how it works, it's over my head. But it's something your PSU likely does (for efficiency I think), and apparently some UPS units do NOT play well with it. So make sure that if you buy one, you know if your PSU has this feature, and make sure the UPS supports it.

[@methamphetamelon]

That's where the sinewave output comes in. Most UPSes use stepped or simulated sinewave output. Fine for basic electrical crap, not so good high end electronics and such.

[@duck_hi]

Linus wonders why voltage is only 105, then shows he's plugging into an extension cord. That's probably a good chunk of the reason, especially if the outlet was already far from source or had less than well made joints in-between. Would have been fun to have seen it plugged directly into the wall once it was moved, or a kill-a-watt plugged in at the wall to compare to.

[@animefreak5757]

unless it was a weaksauce 18ga extension cord, it wouldn't have made much of a difference. He also mentions it's a known issue in that building.

[@duck_hi]

Like I said, bad joints and an already long run from source could contribute to the low voltage. I'd guess it was 14 awg, Project Farm did some extension cord tests a few months ago and found a 5 volt drop on a bunch of cords like that. A bunch of little issues contributing to a surprisingly low voltage at the end. Again, it would have been interesting to see metrics for other parts of that chain.

[@MayaPosch]

The pure sine wave part is more important than you think. Modified sine wave UPSes are plentiful, but they can cause serious issues with AC-powered devices, including overheating, coil whine, exploding capacitors and melty plastic due to the extended on period at the crest of the 'wave'. I have used a range of UPSes over the years, with APC ranking absolutely bottom of the list, especially the trash modified sine wave types. APC support is beyond horrid. Currently using a CyberPower 1500VA pure sine wave unit that's been keeping my rig safe since 2015, and still works just fine. Had a few blackouts this year (thanks, Germany), and runtime is still just fine, with no need to swap the batteries yet.

[@appleimacdude]

I have been reading complaints about the big 3 - APC, Cyberpower, Tripp Lite - Eaton - as no longer having good build quality, fires, and perhaps the sine wave thing is part of it -

[@jpcost]

I want to thank Alexandre Potvin (the editor) and any other post production crew for adding the skip time for people annoyed by the styrofoam. It’s really thoughtful.

[@armypenguin]

Bruh hands down whatever editor added that needs a raise. Styrofoam noises if bad can actually make me nearly vomit. It's a sensory thing. I'm a nurse and I've been pooped, peed, and vomited on bothers me less than Styrofoam.

[@LehGinger]

Can you guys test popular surge protectors to see if they actually function during dirty power??

[@Make-Asylums-Great-Again]

No

[@BrendanGeormer]

Something of note is that you want a UPS that breaks the circuit with the battery when the incoming AC is good (instead switching to a passthrough), so as to not stress the battery when it isn't needed.

[@curiosityredpill7030]

Like ?

[@brentsmithline3423]

This is a great solution. Have always used either Tripp Lite, or APC UPS units since the 1990's on my home network devices. Both manufacturers have solutions for home, and mainly enterprise.

[@FuManNoonan]

Bought this UPS after watching this video. Had it up and running for three days so not much to report yet other than it was easy to set up and is running great so far. If anyone has any questions or things they’d like me to check would be happy to answer.

[@DrummerPunked]

Is it still working perfectly for you ?

[@marco3392]

?

[@curiosityredpill7030]

?

[@yangashi]

I use a EATON UPS for my whole entertainment system (PC, TV, amp, speakers and consoles) for years now. In my area I experience fairly regularly drops in power for a second, usually late at night when I am gaming. It has saved me countless times and I all need to do is change the battery every couple of years. Definitely one of the best investments I ever made.

[@jimmybrad156]

Consider replacing it with lifepo4 batteries next time; they should last 10+ years I reckon.

[@yangashi]

​@@jimmybrad156 Thanks for the tip. I use CSB that can also last 5+ years. I change them after 2-3 years out of precaution not because they die. Plus, I get them at dealer prices.

[@jimmybrad156]

@@yangashi Nice. What is CSB?

[@yangashi]

@@jimmybrad156 Company name (subsidiary of Hitachi), just google CSB batteries.

[@HexerPsy]

Never seen anyone with a UPS in West Europe. Is this a USA thing? Black outs, bad appliances, bad power delivery to houses.... why?

[@thomasfjen]

Jeah north America thing. Probably a combination of distances + overland cables even in the cities.

[@flameshana9]

Definitely a north America thing.

[@HexerPsy]

​@@thomasfjen Is it, though? The high power lines transport much higher voltages to minimize losses. They are down transformed for appropriate voltage down into neighborhoods, and again before entering your house (those cylinder drums on the poles in some USA places). There are transformers that can adjust the transformation to get a better output on any of those stages... So either the transformation was build too cheaply, or the power generation is not in sync with demand - but you should see this one in the frequency drift (50 or 60Hz) if that was the case...

[@thomasfjen]

@@HexerPsy i don't know 😅 overland lines in the cities are imo course more prone for defects together with more or heavier storms compared to Europe. Additional to that our lines are 400v into the houses where NA is 220v, which could be another factor. I don't know much about the infrastructure differences between NA and Europe and even less about electric infrastructure influences so please correct me if I am wrong

[@sneg__]

Why would I need an UPS? I have never experienced a power outage in my life. Greetings from Europe.

[@Tsofuable]

Yeah and "dirty power" - whats that? Is that what we call what comes out of Polish coal power plants?

[@flameshana9]

Lucky you. My first computer got fried ded from a power outage.

[@lands1459]

our power goes out many times a year, especially during the summer if the weather's bad. power lines where i live are still overhead and i've gotten into a habit of turning off my computers and switching my power strips off before a bad storm rolls through.

[@subradiant_music]

America only has 3 main electrical grids and they are old and out of date. The issue we have is they can't supply enough juice, so we tend to get brown outs, but black outs are pretty rare unless it's bad weather or someone decides to hit a telephone pole.

[@BARfastauto]

Gas shortage lol (2024)

[@natechucks]

Thanks for that Styrofoam noise warning. Very considerate of the editors and production. :)

[@smithjeremy21]

Agreed. I hate Styrofoam noises.

[@pinkiepie3978]

i don't think that i need a psu. *happy European noise*

[@ArmouredMist]

Thanks for letting me know how far to skip to avoid hearing the styrofoam sound

[@joost00719]

I would love to see a follow up about UPSses and what safety features one has and how they work. For example, what happens if you have a short circuit? Does it blow a fuse/trigger a circuit breaker, or can you ensure your pc is properly fried?

[@bobdickweed]

Getting my "Gaming UPS" next week , 20 Solar Panels and 5.3 kWh Batterys by 2 , that should last and power my house too

[@genericasian]

But does it have RGB?

[@jensalan]

0:51 It should be mentioned that while it may help protect against dirty power and may smooth out the power from the wall, many consumer UPSs (even lower business level ones) will not actively correct voltage. You can see this when looking at output voltage on a UPSs display. When receiving input power (from the wall), input voltage will almost always match output voltage. Example, if the input voltage is 118v, the output will be 118v. When the power is out, the input will show 0v and the output will most likely display 120v as it's actively generating that square or sine wave. In the case of the UPS mentioned in the video, it will generate a pure sine wave (like what comes from the wall). In the giant UPS video that LTT bought for their server rack, that one is a true enterprise grade UPS which will have that kind of feature. I have a rack mounted UPS in my basement which will not actively correct the incoming voltage.

[@davidbetancourt4028]

I have been using a UPS on my PC for many years now, maybe starting in the late 2000s. I hate that they haven't switched to LiFePo4. These lead acid batteries die after a few years, especially after being drained a few times from long outages. Replacement batteries are overly expensive too. With LiFePO4 batteries, we'd get more battery for the space and it wouldn't wear out for the expected lifespan of the device. They have no incentive to make these because then they wouldn't make $$$ on replacement batteries.

[@deagle50ae]

yea, I was immediately uninterested when he said they use lead acid batteries - these are basically short-lived e-waste. LiFePo4 is so mature and affordable at this point, there's no reason for UPS makers to continue with the old ways.

[@davidbetancourt4028]

@@deagle50ae Yeah, except all the LiFePO4 UPSes are rack mounted and cost over $1000. I've been considering trying to replace my lead acid batteries for my 1500 VA UPSes with LiFePO4 replacements, but it's tricky. Not exactly a lot of guides and not knowledgeable enough to know what to watch out for.

[@CorbiniteVids]

The biggest upside of lead acid is it's recyclable. Usually about ~80% of the lead in a new lead acid battery will be reclaimed lead because of successful core fee laws. This cuts down on the destructive mining that needs to be done for them by quite a bit

[@davidbetancourt4028]

@@CorbiniteVids _"It is estimated that 44%-70% of the lead from lead acid batteries in the PRC is released into the environment as waste."_ I'm not big on lead acid even though they are highly recyclable. They are developing better methods for lithium extraction, so hopefully that gets better over time. These batteries just have massively longer cycle lives and can be discharged under 50%. My experience with lead acid is just been poor over the past 15 or so years.

[@benbrandt3]

Clean/reliable power is seriously important and rarely talked about. I have 2 of them in my office and one in my network rack.

[@TankleKlaus]

Where do you live? I've never had any electronics die because of bad power and have only ever experienced one power outage in my almost 22 years of being alive

[@dutchdrifter8740]

@@TankleKlaus same here for the Netherlands.

[@Midz350i]

@@dutchdrifter8740 I live in Saudi Arabia and in my 37 years of living I can probably count the power outage times on 1 hand and they only last for few minutes. North America sometimes feels like 3rd world countries.

[@kvendy]

@@Midz350i I literally had 6 in the last month all of them stayed for one hour or more

[@benbrandt3]

@@TankleKlaus Midwest, US. Pretty common here for thunderstorms, tornados, snowstorms, etc. to cause power outages.

[@kshitijvarshney]

I bought a 2KVA Elnova UPS when I built my machine with 850watt psu. I'm glad I did. It takes 2 external batteries and gives around 2.5-3 hours of light load and more than an hour under full load.

[@Enzo187]

I used to have a APC 1500 UPS, actually I still have it but it needs a new battery lol, so its basically just a heavy surge protector at the moment.

[@itraumatik6550]

APC had the "first" gaming UPS... BGM1500 APC Back-UPS Pro 1500VA for Gaming, 120V, Pure Sinewave, LCD, 3 USB charging ports, 10 NEMA outlets (4 surge). Was getting slammed for it "blowing up" , burnt electronic smells the quits.

[@toby1kenobi1000]

That nerdforge PC is just so darn pretty. Every time I look at it I'm in aw.

[@Tommy_The_Gun]

For RTX 4090 I would imagine that the UPS would need a temporary battery, so it would hold till petrol engine power generator would spin up & gain enough RPM to produce 2 kilowatts of power lol. Jokes aside - what is really a live-hack is to connect a router / modem to a UPS. Tiny power shortage, but your internet connection stays up.

[@creesch]

Always makes me wonder about the quality of the powergrid in other countries. In almost 20 years I can count the amount of power outages I have experienced on one hand. In other words, not really worth the investment into something like this if you ask me.

[@flameshana9]

Yeah, it depends entirely on where you live. In the country or in cities with flaky power it's worth it. If you're in Europe they don't seem to need them.

[@dennisa7784]

I'm in the USA in suburbs in NC. I've had about 5 outages this year alone so far. Mainly from car accidents taking out power poles

[@viking9442]

South africa has huge power issues,down almost 3 times a day for 2 hours+

[@Ikxi]

Exactly the same for me. Here in German where I live there was a faulty transformer this year. Something like that had never happened and hasn't happened again.

[@Syvergy]

I've never had a power outage in the past 8 years in Australia. Only ever scheduled outages very rarely.

[@zednik8956]

I just gotta say that I love the skip in the beginning warning of styrofoam. Kudos to the editor, its one of those sounds that just tickles the spine in the wrong way

[@LMacNeill]

I've had a UPS on every computer I've owned since the early '90s when I lost a very expensive computer system to a nearby lightning strike and my renter's insurance refused to cover it. They claimed that I should've protected the computer with a surge-protector or UPS, so it was somehow *my* fault that the computer got fried. So, every computer I've owned since then has been attached to an APC UPS. They claim to offer $50,000 of insurance with their products, but I've never had to test that out because I've never had any equipment plugged into one die since then. I *have* had a UPS die from an electrical issue, (e.g. a lightning strike), but the UPS sacrificed itself for the sake of the equipment plugged into it, as it was designed to do -- the plugged-in equipment survived. A good-quality UPS is one of those things that everyone should own. Definitely worth every penny.

[@devrandvar]

I consider a decent pure sinewave UPS a very important part of a PC or workstation. I have a couple of Cyberpower 1500VA (1000 watt) ones, and have never regretted getting them. I have bad power where I live, but now I do not have to worry about the frequent brownouts and surges while working from home. Plus they come in handy for a bit of backup power during power outages. It is really tough to make the room in your PC budget for a decent $220 UPS that does not contribute to performance at all, but I highly recommend doing so especially if your PC is quite expensive or if you intend to use your computer for work. Do not expect these things to run a PC for very long though, they have very little battery capacity, they will only run a powerful PC for about 5-20min. Their purpose is mostly just to run the PC long enough for you to save work and shut down it down and to protect the PC from surges ans brownouts. Although they can run low power devices like a modem or a efficient laptop for a couple of hours.

[@CarbonOtter]

Before you ever try overclocking, get yourself a proper battery backup OR a power cleaner. I'd get a UPS for the versatility, personally. The reason for this? Fluxuations inpower input to the PC will result in fluxuations in the output of your power supply. When voltage stability needs to be rock solid to prevent a crash (very common for memory overclocking) it can't be understated how many hours you'll waste finding your overclock limits when you haven't isolated your system behind clean power first.

[@Camryn715]

The way Linus could just take apart the styrofoam without cringing, is quite impressive.

[@Ikxi]

Did it sound like scratching on a blackboard?

[@Camryn715]

@@Ikxi yes it very much did!

[@JustekGaming]

And here's me running a 3000w 200ah solar inverter system just to be able to game for 4 hours, the joy's of living in South Africa

[@itsdeonlol]

The Gaming UPS with RGB!!! POGGERS!!!

[@ChaosGore420]

Laughs in 240 volts

[@emmamitchell1582]

A DC UPS would be an interesting product. I imagine plugging it in between the PSU of the PC and the rest of the components. It would get rid of the complexity of having to generate pure sine wave from the battery, which is already DC

[@javiej]

They exists, they are called "laptops"

[@Haze-eh3vy]

@@javiej DC UPSs are called laptops?

[@javiej]

@@Haze-eh3vy A laptop has a battery between the DC side of the PSU and the motherboard. Technically it is

[@BIGRed-zs3ee]

You'd be looking at something like the "Mecer 2400VA Inverter" - Basically, you hook that up to 2 x 100AH batteries and you've got 4 to 8 hours of power hungry PC time (power draw dependent).

[@bizkillall]

Would love a video comparing the pros and cons of a traditional UPS to solar generators that have a UPS functionality mode. While solar generators typically have a higher price tag, they also have much higher storage capacities for longer run times. When comparing $ per watt-hour, solar generators usually win against a traditional UPS.

[@fashizzlemanizzle4808]

Pretty sure APC has their 160° lcd sine wave UPS for gamers a little while ago. Comes in glossy black and arctic white too.

[@fashizzlemanizzle4808]

And I have to say APC’s RGB and lcd display and setup looks really nice and sleek.

[@gjorgdy]

Recently had a power 'outage' for the first time in like 10 years. It was just announced maintenance, is this really such a big problem outside of the EU?

[@otacon72]

Where is the scientific data that proves this thing is anything more than an overpriced surge protector with battery backup that lasts a couple mins? I’m assuming they paid a lot for the infomercial. Moving on.

[@thomasfjen]

If you subtract the RGB (to make it gamer) a ups is exactly that: a surge protector with battery backup in a package and you can have some additional features (which he explains) and live data I mean we don't have to discuss about naming it gamer but that obviously works otherwise companies wouldn't do it

[@flameshana9]

Anything with *GAMER* on the box (or rgb) is just an overpriced gimmick product.

[@theoneyoudontsee8315]

the same warning to let battery pack(s) charge before first use applies to the external battery bank too!

[@jonathonschott]

What's funny is that I bought mu ups for the pure sine wave, the battery backup part was more an added bonus. My 3090 in an open loop wasn't getting no dirty power. In an area with an unreliable power grid, or a house with shoddy wiring, or even an area with a lot of lightning nothing beats it. Here in Arizona during monsoon season that last one can get nasty out here

[@Sylkis89]

I grew up in Poland in one of those horrible Soviet blocks of flats made out of the huge concrete panels with the net of iron beams. When we moved the computer from my parents' room to my room, it kept burning (like, literally giving smoke due to power surges) roughly once every half a year. At some point we bought a UPS to protect it, it was cheaper to invest in one that to buy a new computer every year. And it did its job, it would go beeping each time there was a dangerous surge and save my PC. We just thought it's because of the crappy radioactive block of flats with its inhumane living conditions, that the pipeworks and electrics are just shit overall, but you need to live somewhere, right? After a few more years, when we were doing some renovations and redecorations, we discovered that the one particular power outlet, the only one in the entire flat, that we were connecting to the computer was botched and did not have the grounding connected, which went unnoticed ever since my parents got the flat and some 20 years later we discovered it only because I wanted to change the way the outlets for new nicer looking ones to match the new wallpaper... Moral of the story: a UPS Is a good investment - ALWAYS - but if you find it suspiciously too useful, check your electrics at your house, starting with that particular outlet you're using. No point in needlessly torturing your UPS either.

[@veduci22]

I would never buy an UPS to solve problems with electric wiring in my house, that's just stupid... One faulty power outlet produces so much interference and can cause so much potential issues for other electric devices that actually fixing it is absolutely necessary unless you want to risk a house fire.

[@awesomestuff9715]

I have a ups from cyberpower, and it's been good and useful (Not the prebuilt company)

[@colinstu]

TIL that Eaton bought out Tripp Lite in 2021…

[@rubikdrummer1]

I live in Puerto Rico and a UPS is a must with our current power grid. I have a TrippLite 1500VA and it has saved me a couple times

[@jsharrad]

I have the CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD PFC Sinewave UPS System, 1500VA/1000W. It was like 200 bucks on amazon and has kept my PC running through 3 blackouts so far. I also hear the relay switch or solenoid inside it kick in sometimes when my AC turns on. No removable screen though which is neat. It has a LCD screen but only pulls out at an angle so you can see it from above lol.

[@Lord_zeel]

I've got the same one! Hope it serves me as well as yours has. No outages in the few weeks I've had it, but I'm sure they are coming.

[@tinto278]

Kept my PC running through 3 blackouts so far. 🤦‍♂ Was it worth the money? Next time you get a blackout try something else besides gaming.

[@jsharrad]

@@tinto278 I work at home so it was definitely worth it. It let me save what I was working on which wasn't online (such as office 365). I don't run the cable modem or router on a UPS so if power goes out, internet immediately drops. It's good for about 30 minutes while not gaming on my setup. With a game running I had to be fast - 2-3 mins.

[@tinto278]

@@jsharrad Well then I take it all back and good luck to you sir!👍

[@ImHeo]

Since you have viewers in the EU (that also want to buy stuff once in a while), it would be cool if you could provide links to EU compatible products or say in the description if it's US only. With the link you provided, it only shows 120V variants, and I was not able to find this product with a 230V variant through their home page. Best regards, an EU citizen.

[@sneg__]

why would you need this in EU lol

[@diontranekr6567]

Live in EU. And have 3 x 900w + 1 x 2700w. They come in handy, for a surprise outages.

[@sneg__]

@@diontranekr6567 Have you ever had one of those? I can't remember the last time I had one.

[@DiverseGreen-Anon]

@@diontranekr6567 would also like to know how common outages are here... i never had a single one in over 10 years over multiple cities i moved (germany) In which country do you live and are you in a city or in a more rural area. How often do you get outages and for how long? Thx ^^

[@ImHeo]

@@sneg__ It's more for general information. Not the first time I've clicked on a sponsored link on a LTT channel where there is no EU variant of the product or they don't ship to EU. I would assume they want to sell the products to as many as possible and if LTT get a %cut from the sale, I'd think they'd rather have me purchase through their link than me finding the product elsewhere. Then they wouldn't get a cut.

[@bloodbull123]

And this episode just before the power went out at home.

[@mvevitsis]

A higher end UPS would be completely isolated on the input and output and allow you to set the output voltage (useful if input voltage is slightly off).

[@ReivecS]

Power flickering or quick drops can also damage equipment. I had a motherboard fail due to dirty power in my college dorm and I have used a UPS ever since (which was a long time sadly)

[@TechWithSean]

Power to the gamers ✊

[@PhonicUK]

Just recently I went down the route of getting a large 10kWh battery for my house, and a big part of the reason for that was to essentially act as a giant UPS. Getting 3x decent size UPSs for my workstation, servers, network equipment, etc was going to cost me thousands of pounds. Getting a large household-sized battery was in the same order of magnitude cost wise, but the runtime is measured in double-digit hours, not minutes or seconds. 10kWh could run 500w of gear for 20 hours, and 250w for 40 hours. Similarly it produces a pure sine wave and provides clean power. Even at its maximum power draw of over 2kW it could still run for several hours without power. If you're running a business at home, being able to tolerate potentially multiple-day outages is a very nice perk.

[@bjornarya]

I am looking for a power backup solution for my new pc and since it draws a lot of power i was thinking of a similar solution, glad to know that it works. Can you please tell me what kind of UPS would work for this setup?

[@JPBennett]

I've given up on any UPS that isn't a full-on double conversion system. I've had too many instances where the machines on raw power stay on, and the machines on UPS turn off because of the cutover time. And that's with *nice* consumer UPS models. So datacenter style double-conversions for me. And they really hurt at like $700 a pop. But they actually do the job.

[@jippalippa]

A good UPS is a must, and spending money on it is a nice investment. I bought a great quality (and expensive) unit in 2011 (yes, 11 years ago and counting), and it still works perfectly. I want to change it in 2023 just in case, but it was a good investment.

[@TheHuckeberrie]

11 years out of any electronic? 🫡 Now that's money well spent

[@Aturixios]

I hope you've changed the batteries since then...

[@jippalippa]

@@Aturixios Haven't, but given their cost I'd be better off purchasing a new unit.

[@Aturixios]

@@jippalippa Not changing a UPS's battery renders it essentially useless lmao, most manufacturers recommend changing them every 3-4 years due to them wearing down (just like any device with batteries).

[@justsomeperson5110]

So it is "gaming" because it has RGB? It barely gave you a minute when you needed it? It has software that Windows can use to shut down IF you connect a USB cable (because Bluetooth is hard?) and does AVR and sine wave ... just like every other UPS I've bought for at least 10 years. And it has a convenient removable screen for those times when I want to pull my desk away from the wall so that I can crawl on my knees to get to my UPS to remove the screen? (Why no PC USB dock?) I don't get it. It's ... just another UPS. If it had some special really accurate sine wave generator or super-clean AVR for OCers beyond the literal minimum standard I've accepted for the last 10 years, maybe I could almost not think it's just another UPS? I mean don't get me wrong. I don't hate it. If the price is right for the mostly bog-standard expectations of a UPS, maybe I'd buy it if a battery refurb isn't enough for my current almost-same ancient totally not a gamer UPS. But I'm struggling to see anything here that I'd call innovative. And what pretends to be is just flatly useless to me. It's just another UPS. But Linus can't SAY that, because it's a sponsored totally-not-an-ad. Meh.

[@kenny6105]

out of all the random shit I bought in the last few months the UPS is one of the only ones where I am 100% certain that I needed it lol, it’s blended perfectly into the background, i only remember i have it when the power dies but my computer doesn’t. so much less anxiety now

[@oserus999]

That case from Nerd Forge is still sooo sick. The UPS is pretty cool also.

[@ThatSoddingGamer]

I definitely could have used that detachable display on a few occasions, so that's a pretty good feature. I'm currently using a CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD, and I've been using it for a bit over 2.5 years, replacing my older Cyberpower UPS that suddenly went dead. There is apparently a much newer model that came out earlier this year, though of course no detachable display on that. Wouldn't be surprised if they copy this idea for a future model though, as it is a pretty good one. Currently the model in this video doesn't have prices available? Not yet for sale it seems.

[@karanssh]

Kudos to the editor for telling us to skip the styrofoam noise

[@DTMx09x]

Wow the timing of the release of this video it’s like it was meant to be. I’ve been researching/window shopping UPS for about a week now trying to figure out which to purchase.

[@itchylol742]

Me: Laughs in laptop

[@Werdna12345]

It still frustrates me that there’s not a combined power supply/UPS product. Why are we using an UPS (to convert AC to DC to pure sine wave AC) and connect it to a power supply (that converts the AC to DC again)? Sigh…

[@Lika1185]

as someone who lives in an area with dirty power and constant brown outs you basically can't have a desktop without a UPS

[@cryhard8257]

Glad to see that other people hate the sound of styrofoam I thought I was just different

[@TheGameBench]

Is there anything... literally anything less glamorous for a PC than a UPS? Nope. And the addition of RGB doesn't help. But I do agree that you should be running one if you spent a lot on your PC. I have a few of these. One on the main PC, one on the server, one for the network equipment, and one for doing BIOS updates. Keep in mind that if you do get a UPS, the batteries will eventually need to be replaced. Usually between three to five years. Also, people like to say these will protect you against lightning strikes... sure someone's said in the comments. NO! They absolutely will not give you any more protection against a lightning strike than am equivalent surge protector. It will have zero protection if you have a close enough lightning strike. If you're in a lightning storm, and you're concerned... UNPLUG anything you care about from the wall. And it's worth saying that far more electronics are damaged via voltage dips than surges.

[@HeartFire_]

I had to get my mom a small "power bar" style UPS just earlier this year because they had a power blip that fried the motherboard of her computer that I built her for x-mas a few years ago. And getting a refurbished replacement from China took forever

[@castform57]

I have two UPS devices on my desk. One is a bit smaller in capacity, and it handles my network equipment, and the other is much beefier to keep my main PC and server running. If an outage hangs for longer, the bigger UPS gives me enough time to safely shutdown my VMs, so that the storage HDDs don't suddenly stop.

[@Pax.YouTube]

0:30 Thank you editor for the suggestion. Appreciate it.

[@pixels_per_inch]

Step 1: Slap "GAMER" tag and add RGB Step 2: Increase price Step 3: Profit??

[@Daphoid]

No qualms on recommending a UPS. We've got 5 in our place. Every computer, NAS, or game console setup - has one. As does my router/modem. Our building is ancient and power does flicker / brown out at times. These will help with that; while also cleaning your power as mentioned. You don't need the gaming one, for gamers, specifically - but one that's sized right will do you just fine. Note, if you've never owned one, you'll eventually have to replace the battery and that can be a bit of sticker shock, but you can easily own the unit for 10+ years. Finally as for the power conditioning, at least in my single user experience - Back in 2003-2010 I had a high end projector. The bulb was rated for 2000 hours. First bulb lasted 1600-1700 before it died. Got a power conditioner / UPS and the second bulb lasted to about 4200 hours before I had to replace it. Good stuff. Plus because a UPS can hold your stuff on for a few moments, you can have it shutdown and run fans and things to cool off if needed.

[@Snowmirage6453]

Ooooo so Eaton = Tripp-Lite? never knew! Been using both at work and home for years!

[@josephaltman460]

My APC 1500VA GAMER UPS with SINE WAVE and RGB has been protecting my Gaming Rig for nearly a YEAR now! TrippLite is actually the World's SECOND Sine Wave Gaming UPS!

[@brucebruceish]

Level1Techs has a good review of this as well

[@TotallySlapdash]

Nothing makes you feel more smug than watching all the WiFi signals in the area blip out while you keep using the internet. Last time I had it happen I was mid-render... it saved multiple days of work.

[@Lord_Dillinger]

A.V.R. is what "cleans up" the incoming electricity. A.V.R. also helps protect ALL items plugged into the UPS (surge, surge+battery backup).

[@crescent_rose__]

Of course this vid comes out the day my power goes out while on my pc

[@Friedbrain11]

My old TrippLite ups had that auto shutoff and it saved my pc one time. I sit here without a UPS right now and i do need one. I was hoping they would make a Li version by now.

[@sixregrets]

Thank you for the styrofoam sound warning, I was nearly killed.

[@KorruptorGaming]

I have three 1500w pure sine wave UPS's now, 1 for each of mine and the SO's computers and one for the wifi/ps5/TV. Couldn't be happier as they've saved us several times with power flashes and still have wifi for awhile if the power does go out for a few hours during a storm.