Abolishing Privacy

#atrioc literally has a youtube video on his channel about AI called "How 2023 will change everything" lol
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#pokimane #mayahiga

[@markgel9510]

Let me guess dev gonna talk about the Jewish question again

[@ShortFatOtaku]

it fits but i didnt go there this time

[@ShortFatOtaku]

I MEAN MARX'S ESSAY NOT THE JQ

[@brunos6599]

@@ShortFatOtaku AYYYYY OYYYY VEY

[@TheCristianalvarez]

@@ShortFatOtaku you mean the correct question?

[@markgel9510]

Holy smokes Never thought I get pinned by anyone I’ll cherish this little moment for a while not too much though and if I do I’m going to touch grass

[@miragebarrage9748]

Man, I miss when deepfakes were just used for making Adolph Hitler sing “dame da ne”.

[@Shockguey]

I still don't know what Ne is or why he wants it.

[@skoolwifi3835]

@@Shockguey I appreciated this joke

[@sethisevilone02]

never seen that can you link it

[@Markm8]

The good old days (like a year ago)

[@lam2142]

Please guys, the song is called Bakamitai.

[@garystewart2355]

I’m more concerned with deep fakes being used to frame people for crimes than sex

[@SvendleBerries]

And not just any crimes, but political crimes.

[@GoatSimpulator]

Exactly!!! Same here but no, the controversy I hear about is "deep fake porn"... Seriously who cares!? I can kinda understand the drama at the first of the video with the friend group and Pokimane but just seems trivial to me *Celebrities should love this... No one will want to see their regrettable sex tapes when we can just A.I. fake it* 😏

[@heliosspecialistarrogant7031]

@@SvendleBerries or to protect people who commit those crime, way more easy to frame someone if the claim he was using that tech for nefarious mean

[@GomulDart]

Most deep fakes are detectable with other AI programs, lol. It'd be difficult to really fool anyone with credibility. Although, it is possible. You never know what the future will look like for this kind of technology.

[@asdion]

Deadman Wonderland is a great story, and Kyle would be locked up if the prosecution wasn't tech illiterate.

[@ZontarDow]

The PATRIOT Act and its consequences have been a disaster for mankind

[@rwberger6]

Who could have predicted giving federal agents a license to ignore the constitution and do whatever they want in the name of "security" would be a bad idea?

[@mikesmith542]

@@rwberger6 We should NEVER give away any freedoms for security. I think we learned from the Patriot Act and 9/11. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off for my 8th booster and to protest the re-opening of schools.

[@addex1236]

@@rwberger6 I know your being sarcastic but I have to say it Benjamin Franklin

[@hotgrapescomics]

YOU! I was following you on Twitter before I got banned

[@ZontarDow]

@@hotgrapescomics Hello

[@JazzJackrabbit]

If you are replaceable, then you are expendable If you are expendable, you can be sacrificed If you can be sacrificed, then you are just a statistic

[@zanitzeuken]

you mean "datum". a single person can't be a statistic.

[@Acueil]

"BuT-BuT! TruE SoCialIsm/ComUnisM haS NevER BeeN tRIeD!!1111111111111"

[@fatasssquirrel1731]

@@zanitzeuken Tim Pool?

[@zanitzeuken]

@@fatasssquirrel1731 herp derp

[@scottsommer9843]

​@zanitzeuken except it happens to multiples of people, not just one.

[@neilfleischman3463]

Watching all those clips of streamers blubbering and crying is one of the cringiest things Ive ever seen.

[@internetguy7889]

Yeah it's like get a grip get some perspective

[@vla1ne]

He could easily have just owned it, moved on, and left it at that. Yeah his wife would still be pissed, but i don't think i've seen someone be such a wuss over some curious porn watching.

[@Keirnoth]

@@vla1ne you can tell he's a wuss considering the kind of wife he married man - just LOOK at her, she's wearing the uniform of the standard far leftist feminist.

[@ambagel5467]

i hate these kind of people so much

[@Titantitan001]

Im on your side, it just goes to show these streamers are still literal kids. Because of the weird echo chambers they were able to create they basically never had the need or want to grow in character and perspective. Instead they have just stayed children.

[@99Bobson]

Porn fakes, even realistic looking ones, of celebrities were a thing for literally decade before this, and no one cared. Almost like every celeb knew that it's one of the side effects of being popular. Online celebs need to catch up.

[@Batkenpre]

Ya exactly

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

Yeah but we are basically dealing with non celebrities receiving celebrity status or semi celebrity status somewhat recently within the last couple of years and only now rediscovering what that means.

[@gnuwaves743]

Can’t agree more. It’s not a good thing, but it will have negligible affect on their brand because everyone knows it’s fake. Even the girls from the fappening still kept their careers going. Have to just keep ignoring it. The internets not a kind place.

[@Keirnoth]

@@talkingtakotaco8611 These are celebrities, they're just in a different space. If they weren't celebrities NONE of us would hear about it. But almost *everyone* in the comments knows who these people are. GamerGate used to call these people e-celebs, and for good reason. The problem is a lot of zoomers and millennials *do not know how to deal with that status* nor do they understand that that status comes with the same kind of pitfalls and risks being a regular celeb does - and that includes weirdos who try to stalk you and track you down and do weird shit to you. *That doesn't justify that particular behavior", but having porn made of you is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things UNLESS you admit you depend on the likeness of being "available" and good looking and perhaps even "innocent" to sell your brand - i.e. Girlfriend Experience streamers who refuse to admit it.

[@TheMelnTeam]

"Nothing new under the sun", as they say. Except this does offer some new things, and they're more dangerous than more sophisticated applications of rule 34.

[@Trid3nt861]

Them: "Privacy needs ro be abolished" *Government has located your location and is sending goons with guns to take you away* Them: "No! I dont want my privacy exposed, only the plebes" Government: "You think youre important? Silly peasant youre just a means to an end"

[@Richforce1]

Government: Now line yourself up against the wall to be shot.

[@sooperdude22]

"The policies and laws you support in order to silence your enemies can and will eventually be used to silence *_YOU."_* - Anonymous

[@markzuckergecko621]

This is exactly why the establishment has been pandering to left wing ideologies, they know that leftists have no principles, and no moral value, and they can be used as useful idiots to achieve more power.

[@CrazyJabberwock]

Everyone who's for communism is only for it because they think they'll be the ones in charge of it, they never realize how insignificant they are to the machine

[@sooperdude22]

@@CrazyJabberwock Like Yuri Bezmenov said: "They think that _they_ will obtain power. That will never happen, though. They will be *_lined up against the wall and shot."_*

[@simonbelmont1986]

"if you got nothing to hide then whats the problem bruh" - famous last words before all your rights are taken away

[@queuedjar4578]

I remember not understanding this concept when talking to my step dad as a child when the right to privacy as brought up. I asked why should we be worried when we have nothing to hide, we're not bad people and we don't do bad things. His explanation was along the lines of exactly this and it clicked in my 9 year old brain. I think that was probably my first awareness of any sort of political issue.

[@sintheemptyone8108]

It's the most obvious motte-bailey fallacy argument they've been making.

[@simonbelmont1986]

@@sintheemptyone8108 bad ideas are always packaged with good intentions. fr

[@jakubrogacz6829]

Because there is no problem so long you assume both policy maker and citizen are benovelent actors. However if state becomes corrupt, lack of privacy, makes it impossible to stop atrocities and organise the pushback. And even if at the moment the intent is noble, I just want to remind everyone that Austrian painter was voted in, in legal elections btw.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Everyone knows telling people to stop doing something on the internet always makes them stop and makes people do it more.

[@internetguy7889]

That's why you need someone to cry too and then it'll stop for sure

[@TheHogfatherInvades]

Stop writing comments like this

[@AntiCookieMonster]

@@TheHogfatherInvades you forgot to cry

[@TheHogfatherInvades]

@@AntiCookieMonster stop it 😭

[@TheRealityWarper08]

@@TheHogfatherInvades I feel... an uncontrollable urge to listen to you now!

[@solidcold9491]

Remember when people used to say things like 'dont use your real name or photos on the internet, there are some serious creeps out there.'? Dont over expose yourself on the internet, you are not oppressed by the consequences of your actions.

[@BruhMoment-fr4zr]

Anonymity got thrown out the window when dipshit normies realized they could chase money and fame via social media. Now that the excesses of celebrity have finally caught up they want big daddy government to shoehorn internet ID policy and regulate us harder. God damn man, I hate normies so much it's unreal. The internet was objectively better when it was just forum autists and tech nerds. We need to go back.

[@whitehavencpu6813]

Fully agreed. These people heeded that and now want laws to control the internet, and those laws will only give authoritarians the power to oppress and take away your rights.

[@5002seven]

This. They used to say this in school and for good reason; because they had foresight.

[@fatcat5817]

These people only walk on the curated, cushy, and soft big platforms, the moment they get thrown in the true internet they get a lesson in reality of the brutality of freedom of speech and expression. Also Tor. 😻 The internet will never die! Unless a Emp attack. 😸

[@whitehavencpu6813]

@@fatcat5817 Based cat

[@Snakedude4life]

I like how they’re getting mad at the people creating deep fakes, but definitely not the degenerate culture on Twitch that led to this kind of thing being popular. Oh well. 🎩 🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@C_0_N]

That was my take lmao

[@seracris8357]

This shit has been done way before twitch even existed. You know, just like Dev mentioned in the video. It's the fantasy of having sex with a hot celebrity or in this case whatever popular streamer you find attractive. Has nothing to do with Twitch's degenerate culture.

[@chadmrrsn]

+1

[@queuedjar4578]

Something tells me that if they were really that worried about their privacy, they wouldn't make their image and attractiveness the center of the way they make their living by essentially becoming a fully public figure.

[@idothings5622]

@@queuedjar4578 except some people are naturally attractive and degenerates will be degenerate and sexualize a slightly curvy wood plank? And these e-girls should somehow be the ones to blame? On some level it’s just the environment and they should be mentally ready for that shit (i.e. Jaiden Animations there’s like a full ton of r34 of her puppet) but also Jesus Christ keep your fucking dick in your pants? And what do you want them to do, rub soot on their faces so they be grotesque rather than treating them with basic courtesy. If you sexualize yourself on the internets, no fucking shit be ready for what comes it’s part of the territory you sheltered bitch but some of these streamers are pretty and they clothe themselves like gamer dudes and they STILL can get fucking harassed, and I can name a bunch of fucking e-girls that are just trying to stream, and we would apply the same logic to dude bros, tho realistically they complain a lot less about male sexualization Edit: this was edited

[@khululyp]

Deepfakes are the advanced version of cutting out the head of your crush on the picture of a model.

[@an2qzavok]

lol, including embarrassing tabs in your screenshots on purpose is a classic 4chan joke, you just congratulate people for noticing afterwards.

[@internetguy7889]

4chan didn't invent this gag

[@allanmonroe692]

@@internetguy7889 but they did make it more common

[@freedomgoddess]

@@internetguy7889 the modern western world did not invent democracy

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Also saying 'The tabs are open for research purposes' is a meme you don't want to bring out as a defense

[@giiysutsputs]

@@-Azure.EXE- it'll work if you're 13 years old. Otherwise a married man and close friend to those girls who were deep faked is a totally different story.

[@Sound557]

“Big-time LA Streamers”? Why does that sound like the most pathetic job in the world? Lol

[@queuedjar4578]

It's also a job that's a little too encapsulating to people. Way too many kids that I've seen growing up in the past couple years name what they want to be growing up as "KZbinrs" and/or "Streamers". Hopefully they at least realize the ups and downs involved in that line of work before seriously considering the path.

[@wangusbeef86]

@@queuedjar4578 Also its not the kinda "work" you go into expecting it will earn a living for you right away. Even the ones who do get by, they have to put in as much if not more hours of work a week into it anyway.

[@MrJK162]

One thing about AIs centrally planning economies is that in order to be able to accurately predict a person's wants, needs and desires you need to minimise all potential sources of error. No outside influence or anomalies can be tolerated, ie, "Everything in the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."

[@ausaskar]

Well at the end of the day humanity *is* a closed system and will probably remain that way.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

The problem is that within that framework something can go wrong with the master computer and what’s even worse is that you can’t predict the changes in personality it would have and the changes in its OS

[@kateshiningdeer3334]

Not to mention, your "preferences" may be forced to change, at any time, by a new or developing health problem, or even a temporary one, such as pregnancy. If the system can't allow for/make changes, it will eventually hurt or kill people because of it.

[@davetycho8330]

So in other words, the Sibyl System.

[@ZapparoniWorks]

@@kateshiningdeer3334 Target's advertising algorithms can predict pregnancy with orders of magnitude more accuracy than a pregnancy test. AI knows you better than you know yourself.

[@connordavisj]

I'm far less worried about the moral ramifications of this technology affecting random individuals (though its certainly a less than desirable thing to see causing problems) and am much more concerned with the insane levels of potential malicious use this technology is going to have as it continues to improve in accuracy and realism. How long until we literally can't tell if a politician said certain things on a fake leaked tape or until a fake admission of guilt makes it into a court trial? How long until we can't tell if our eyes and ears are hearing literally only lies and even the most basic levels of trust necessary to hold a civilization together can never be attained again because anyone with sixty seconds of voice audio on the internet can be character assassinated in mere hours? Just look at what happened to Trump's reputation when piles of fake documents were cast upon him. Those alone were enough to convince far too many people that he had done certain things. Now imagine a world where instead of fake documents, it's his fake but indistinguishable voice or maybe even likeness, admitting to the things in those documents on a hidden tape recorder or camera that never even existed in the first place. People thought AI advancement would destroy us with some sort of hostile violent takeover, but it seems more likely that AI will destroy us by nuking our ability to trust the reality in front of us.

[@ivansmirnoff6987]

I feel like I have to note that there is technology that can detect if a video or audio is a deepfake, so not all hope is lost. The worry is that this counter has to be used effectively against deep fakes as quick they pop up. I know conservatives cringed and whined when Facebook started marking posts with information warnings depending on its sources, but I feel like a similar system could get used to counter deepfakes.

[@littlemisseevee2309]

its more than likely that eventually people will cast off tech because its proving to be too dangerous and isolating, it’s possible things like the internet will be a failed experiment in people’s eyes, as well as computers and all that, like how people cast off things like me too after the johnny depp stuff. dont need to worry about nukes blasting us back to the stone age. Less devastating tech can do it just fine

[@senbassador]

Worst case scenario, we might have to return to analog. I wonder if it will ever be possible to deep fake an analogy image.

[@maximus4765]

Not only that, but the potential of real evidence to be dismissed as products of AI. A world where truth is increasingly controlled, and reality continues to blur

[@connordavisj]

@@ivansmirnoff6987 At that point it'll just turn into a digital arms race to create fake content so genuine that it can't even be detected, and on top of that, you've already nailed the first issue with such a defense. A news agency or government broadcasting deepfake lies will be seen by millions in an instant while the individual or group that scans and finds them to be fake will barely reach tens of thousands over the course of days after the fake has already hit the public zeitgeist.

[@compatriot852]

I honestly could care less about these LA influencers. This type of sexualization has happened for decades to celebrities and nothing really can stop it

[@kennethleo4471]

Guys whipping their dick out to people they find attractive has been a thing since the begining of humanity, and I guarantee most guys do it to this day. These people are huffing copium.

[@5002seven]

This. Morality aside, if you are even a moderately known figure, you should have enough foresight to know that it comes with territory. Not that they can that part out loud lol.

[@p3xo]

@@5002seven just becuase it comes with the territory doesn’t mean it’s any less bad. this whole deepfake shit is just really creepy and weird, even if it’s “l.a celebrities” or wtv

[@jakubrogacz6829]

To people. Celebrities too, but this happens on interpersonal level at least since antiquity.

[@eddardgreybeard]

Well, a bad Photoshop is clearly fake. This is a whole new level

[@Grassroots_Hegemon]

In the spirit of allowing Booba jokes, Dev you got some tig ol bitties ❤️

[@Squiggles01]

XD

[@rogierb5945]

What do people who constantly show their face online expect? This is they exact reason I've never uploaded pictures of myself on the internet. Not that people would want to deepfake my ugly ass, but thats besides the point.

[@jamesflames6987]

Exact reason I constantly upload pictures of my face to the internet. Still no deepfakes sadly ;(

[@Winasaurus]

@@jamesflames6987 "Oh noooo, I hope noone deepfakes me into sexual content! That would be sooooo bad! And with all these public images in this public folder it would be so easy! Oh nooooo!"

[@joethemig1522]

Imagine being on the internet and not realizing rule 34 is a thing.

[@20thcentury_toy]

The internet was a mistake

[@blzahz7633]

​@@20thcentury_toy No, letting "normies" on it was the mistake. All these issues stem from retards wanting to insert themselves into everything, broadcasting themselves all over the internet so everyone can know them and then complaining that not everyone likes them or have the same values as them. Like that Canadian Kermit complaining about Demon trolls or whatever, which wouldn't be an issue at all if he wasn't so self-centered about attaching his name and face on the ideas he wants to spread. There would be ZERO real world consequences if you just threw an idea out there without wanting it to be credited to you. Internet should've been kept separate from the real world and people's personal lives. Internet is the second best thing to telepathy, what you see online are other people's thoughts. But these idiots want people's thoughts be moderated because they personally don't like them.

[@queuedjar4578]

@@20thcentury_toy it only became a mistake when it abandoned decentralization.

[@ultilinium8]

On one hand, yes. How very naive and stupid of them to not think that in ther well known and famous position that someone somewhere would be making unofficial material with their likeness to get off on. On the other. Unlike illustrations which are clearly illustrations (i.e. not real) deep fakes are meant to look as real as possible. So even beyond porn, deep fakes will always pose the threat of making it look like someone is actually doing something they're not. This was Peterson's rightful concern with thw AI generated text.

[@KeybladeMasterAndy]

Rule 34 was invented before deep fakes.

[@masahige2344]

Dev casually admitting to actively possessing the legendary Nyanners nudes in the process of making a moral point is a level of dominance for which I was unprepared.

[@bigblockman11]

Holy shit now that I did not know

[@Johnnyupside]

Any pointer to nyanner nude for a fellow researcher?

[@UlulvarCape]

Idk if this is gigachad or just not caring

[@kirbyfan4]

She already was ashamed of being a v tuber and hated her fans, I guess this is where that shame stems from

[@sky19804]

Yeah legendary going against her consent.

[@thegeth4293]

The crying e-girl's rant is completely hollow because she says its only bad if you dont pay the girl your cooming to, and saying its only "treating women as an object" if you dont pay your coom tax. All that aside tho, i think the moral hangup about deepfakes is that its using someone's likeness without their consent or will. Its feels the same to me as attributing quotes to say, lincoln or washington, that he never actually said.

[@tumamaencosplay]

Am I the only one who was deeply disgusted by the blondy demonizing fapping to fake images everyone know are fake, because the women in the fake images AREN'T BENEFITING, and that them beneffiting makes it ok!?!?!? So you are CRYING because the AI creator isn't sending you a check??????? I hope every single e-celeb gets so much deep fake content people get bored of it.

[@thegeth4293]

@@tumamaencosplay i still think deepfakes constitute plagarismfor the reason in my comment. But you got it dead on for why the crying girl pissed me off

[@tumamaencosplay]

@@thegeth4293 TBH plagiarism is the smallest of the problems, once AI can basicalyl be indistinguishable from reality, truth outside your immediate circle will cease to exist. E-girls whose whole life is about making money out of their fleeting beauty and being mad someone used it for fake porn is completely asinine.

[@thegeth4293]

@@tumamaencosplay i am aware of all that im just saying the initial "ick" factor for me seems to be using someones likeness without their consent. I guess this isnt concrete since i dont have a problem with acting, but i guess like, theres a difference between say, an actor portraying obama for an iphone commercial, and someone lying, saying the real obama said he loves iphones, when he nevet said that. Thats how deepfakes feel to me.

[@michael_aagaard]

To me it soundly like she was partly upset over not getting anything out of the deep fakes (in her own words: not benefiting)

[@Azrael__]

Geez. With an apology like that you could have sworn he ran into a family while drunk driving or something.

[@Dogapillar4Lyfe]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't pokemaine called out for thrist trapping a couple of years ago? I mean, Shoe has done it, too. It's part of the online grind. It's a spectrum. You have girls like Pokemaine and Shoe who do light thrist trapping on one end and Boomer Girl and Amaroth on the other. Not porn but designed to get male eyes on them to boost relevance, income, and ego.

[@LeoVital]

Yeah, but she'd deny it nowadays since she's already "made it" and is a very successful streamer. But she definitely baited horny teenagers in her ascension to relevance.

[@ohwnosrepeht]

They want their cake and to eat it too

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Oh absolutely, there is a level of hypocrisy there, but it doesn't mean it's moral to do this. If nothing else, it's a kind of copyright infringement.

[@Keirnoth]

@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts Damn, that's throwing a lot of words around that make no sense.

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

@@Keirnoth What words make no sense? It all makes sense to me.

[@TheARMichJFrog]

Idk why streamers think they can reap the benefits of being famous without the (albeit pretty gross) consequences. Famous people have had to deal with being sexualized for centuries.

[@steffanshade3969]

They all think they’re special. They all they THEY’RE the one that will break the cycle or not have to carry the burdens of their choices.

[@ragnarok7976]

If anything I'd think that lots of convincing fake nudes would actually reduce the amount of requests they get from guys for their actual nudes. Maybe even cut down the horny in the chat. Guess that's probably a bad thing if they sell their nudes though. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if hoes were mad for the original reason, they ain't getting the johns money 😂

[@jakubrogacz6829]

Anyone over age of 16 has to deal with the fact their classmate or friend may have hots for them and this probably happened first time so long ago written word was not yet a concept

[@Sukhoi_Su-25]

​@@jakubrogacz6829 I don't think it waits til people are 16 but yes that is the 100% God's honest truth otherwise. 11 - 12 when puberty hits would be more accurate.

[@jakubrogacz6829]

@@Sukhoi_Su-25 at 11-12 hormones are pretty tame

[@amorencinteroph3428]

@4:30 "It shouldn't be apart of my job" It kind of is, though. Brand management is 100% apart of being an e-celeb, which I'd see this falling under.

[@Winasaurus]

Real celebrities have whole legal teams dedicated to quashing sexual rumors about them that can damage their brand. I guess E-celebrities are so entitled they think they deserve to skip past that.

[@barretprivateer8768]

When Maya called it literal rape I stopped talking her experience seriously.

[@TheSmithdub]

its a violation of ones self. Calling it rape is kinda of cringe

[@protocj3735]

Any tldr of the situation?

[@ReclusiveAsta]

@@TheSmithdub The self hasn't been violated in this case.

[@tumamaencosplay]

Am I the only one who was deeply disgusted by the blondy demonizing fapping to fake images everyone know are fake, because the women in the fake images AREN'T BENEFITING, and that them beneffiting makes it ok!?!?!? So you are CRYING because the AI creator isn't sending you a check??????? I hope every single e-celeb gets so much deep fake content people get bored of it.

[@mamrdevpraze]

Funny that she silence actual rape of Mizkhif friend from being victim of such act.

[@Rofel_Wodring]

Is that the point we're at now? A man goes to a porn website and finds a deepfake of a woman he finds attractive. Ruin his life, cancel him! And them acting as if they were actually r word in real life.

[@talkingtakotaco8611]

Yeah I think it's a bit dumb. To be fair it was deep fakes of essentially their close friends or coworker essentially, so it is a bit socially awkward. But I think everyone involved in this are being either ignorant or willingly ignorant of what being a public figure is like.

[@charginginprogresss]

Yeah wait until they discover people in the 90s used to tape people faces on porn magazines and then wank to them

[@wilsonsanabia4259]

@@talkingtakotaco8611 Well, it gets a bit complicated when the woman in question doesn't have porn videos or sexy pics, I wouldn't mind, but I'm a man, a woman might feel a bit different, specially if she knows that her guy friends are jerking off to that

[@StalinsGhost]

@@talkingtakotaco8611 Ignorant of being a goddam human too lol.

[@7eventeenth]

People seem to be attacking him as proxy for the deepfake porn rather than his actions alone

[@derram0k]

This entire thing disgusts me. On the one hand we've got the dude begging for his life because he watched a video, and the response is either mockery or shame, and on the other we've got a woman who had her face photoshopped onto some porn and likens it to rape. Only one of these of these people is having their life actually affected, and the other one is who is getting all the sympathy. People have more sympathy for a woman who is embarrassed than for a man who is standing in front of the firing line.

[@derram0k]

I can't wait until we pass laws that legally make this rape. That way PICTURES OF WOMEN will have more legal protections against rape than men do. And they'll still tell us that we live in a rape culture and society approves of raping women.

[@gladonos3384]

"People have more sympathy for a woman who is embarrassed than for a man who is standing in front of the firing line." Yep. It's like when people say "I think rape is worse then murder!" No, you don't lul. What you actually mean is "I think a *women* being *raped* is *worse* then a *man* being *murdered!* "

[@R0CKDRIG0]

@@gladonos3384 Some forms of torture can be worse than dead, otherwise I agree.

[@Joutube_is_trash]

I'm tired of internet celebrity's thinking they can avoid the downsides of fame. You made a brand and business out of your likeness, you belong to the public now. Stay mad.

[@steffanshade3969]

Not just think they can avoid it, think that they personally don’t deserve it. That they alone are above it.

[@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown]

Especially when they gained that fame by being an ethot. You objectified yourself and now that people are treating you like an object you are angry because they should be paying you and not a deep fake site.

[@Merrickle]

If you think deepfake porn and deepfakes in general will only effect celebrities youre a fucking clown

[@Joutube_is_trash]

@@Merrickle You're a clown if you think I asked.

[@Merrickle]

@@Joutube_is_trash “Who asked?” 🤡 you’re in a public comment section you put it out there so I’m free to reply cry more loser

[@SkylineFTW97]

To attractive women on twitch: If you don't want men sexualizing you, stop using your looks for money. Otherwise shut up about objectification because you brought it on yourself. I can agree that the issue of deepfakes is troubling, but when you turn your looks into a career, this is a natural consequence of that. It would be the same as me as a man attracting women with my wallet and wondering why all the women who pursue me are gold diggers.

[@Winasaurus]

If a guy flashes his money and then made some sad tweet about how his wife left him and took half his money, nearly everyone would come together to laugh at him because he should have seen it coming because he's so shallow about the money. Comparable thing happens to e-girls, everyone is expected to break out the pitchforks and torches to hunt down the perpetrators. If you're posting pics in ultra-short dresses and call your top donors the "biggest D of the night", you lose all empathy regarding deepfakes.

[@Nahinalau]

If anything, if you have embarrassing photos floating around online, you now have plausible deniability. Just deepfakes bro 😉

[@UraniumReaperActual]

Holy. Fucking. Shit. I gotta post some pictures to cornhub real quick

[@BruhMoment-fr4zr]

_"Sir, was this you going on a 45 minute long racist/sexist/homophobic rant yoinked out of your mind on cocaine just outside of IHOP?"_ _"Nah man that was a deepfake"_

[@smokeyplane3285]

@@UraniumReaperActual ayo

[@Winasaurus]

@@UraniumReaperActual "Boss, I know it looks like me, but it's just one of those wacky deepfakes" "Then why is your dog there??"

[@UraniumReaperActual]

@@Winasaurus deepfakes... all deepfakes, boss man

[@han3wmanwukong125]

Am I the only one who stopped giving a shit the moment whatserface started talking about "the exploitation of women"? Sure, it's incredibly insensitive, but she went from being personally assaulted to turning it into "the message". It's feels very much like Helen Lovejoying. I believe I am tainted and accept that.

[@existinginaspace8347]

The Internet was never supposed to be a safe space. Back in the day the common practice was to not put yourself or pictures out on the internet. There is absolutely no difference in streaming yourself. Everyone opens themselves up to things like this, including myself ( though Im ugly AF ) by simply existing on the internet. They don't have a say in the matter, nobody ever has. It's no different from a highly skilled Photoshop editor.

[@fatcat5817]

Amen, raised on the internet since 2010ish. I was always paranoid so I fit into the internet easily, I watched idiots die to Tide pods, I watched stupid kids trusting randoms on the internet then geting abducted, watched animal abusers get what came to them. The (raw) internet is a better parent than most parents! 😹

[@ZapparoniWorks]

Earth was never supposed to be a safe space.

[@jeice13]

There is no exploitation if someone draws a picture of you. It is pretty rude to send the pictures to the real person though

[@gdtyra]

Lol, you succinctly wrote my thoughts on this issue better than I could

[@armannstraughter3296]

Hm.

[@-haclong2366]

14:14 My main issue with the redpill and blackpill communities is that every time you say something like "Not every woman has had hundreds of partners" they will say "Cope", "Not every woman does fecal tests, just the crazy ones" they say "Cope". They literally take the most extreme women and make them into the rule that all women are measured by.

[@Acueil]

Really? Looking at what the feminists do and say about men, I thought it's like some kind of internet etiquette to exaggerate and generalize everything.

[@heinzarniaung2915]

@@Acueil dont be a part of the problem then. what happened to two wrongs dont make a right?

[@Acueil]

@@heinzarniaung2915 Sorry, didn't know my way around the internet. Found out that talking trash about my gender is being rewarded on social media, so I thought it's a normal two way street. Then found out it's only okay for my gender to take all the trash while never dissing it out back.

[@Winasaurus]

@@Acueil The less you engage with negativity, the better. Block the people talking shit, don't talk shit yourself.

[@TheFastfoodcritic]

damn imagine the dystopian future where we are all neurolinked and you get cancelled in middle school because you accidently had one of "those" thoughts about the girl you had a crush on. lol. self mind control is going to become more or less common sense although it already is but in a more extreme monk like way.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

A turtle doesn't approve of abolishing privacy

[@Shockguey]

When the law catches up it's probably going to be a likeness as an intellectual property matter. Hollywood has already perfected likeness dividends, the newest development being Sigourney Weaver's likeness on a different actress in Avatar 2. Both the body and the face can probably sue in a class action lawsuit. Especially if the footage utilized belongs to a large company such as, well, Brazzers. That's only if you're profiting from it.

[@RobzdaBlade]

Porn is one of the freest markets out there lmao. Like let's be real.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

thanks man

[@Paragonofcynicism]

Seems like a weak argument to me. Copyright only matters if the content created isn't transformative. Putting the face of a person who doesn't do porn onto porn is transformative content and you can't tell me that someone would get the same experience from watching the original porn video because if that were the case they'd be watching that instead of looking for deep fakes. So both arguments fall flat. I guess your point is they can sue for share of the profit...but that doesn't get the content removed.

[@Shockguey]

@@RobzdaBlade Yeah that's why I added the bit at the end. You do realize that even Public Domain has restrictions right?

[@blzahz7633]

What about fairuse laws? Deepfake is a derivative work from usually publicly shared videos.

[@justjoking5841]

He looks like someone after snorting a few lines that forgot how to breathe, never mind crying out of genuine guilt.

[@bmetalfish3928]

I think it is guilt, but his emotional expression has been kinda fucked up with all the shit that comes with living in la and getting twitch connections.

[@romantkac7766]

i think he just realized how much he fucked his career and marriage xd

[@silverstar8868]

Did these people not know that this will happen regardless of deepfakes? People already draw, animate, impersonate, and write about public figures in sexual positions. Rather be in a mocking joking way or for actual sexual use. This is unavoidable.

[@polaris911]

A pretty girl cried on camera.. wouldn't shock me if this results in legislation.

[@anomonyous]

Based.

[@jsgdk]

True

[@F1R3S74R73R]

QTCinderella phrased the act of people looking at porn deepfaked pictures of her as people looking at *her*. But people are not looking at her, they are looking at a picture made by a complex image editing algorithm that resembles her image. It's sort of the reverse of the "parasocial relationship" of online fans: some viewers think that by talking to their favourite streamer daily, knowing what's going in their lives, donating money, etc., they have a real relationship with that content creator. And some youtubers think that the image that people have of them on the internet is the real them

[@hombreg1]

This is a good point. The idea of you is different than the real you. The more famous you are, the more "the idea of you" ends up in the hands of the crowd.

[@JoeyGamer55]

It’s crazy that the deepfake porn ads/vids we saw on the internet for at least 3 years weren’t a problem for anybody until a famous person actually gets caught with his dick in his hand and now suddenly everyone cares. Also I think this is illegal in some states. In California at least it’s illegal to use someone else’s likeness in advertisements or sales without their consent which you might be able to pin deepfake porn under but idk

[@anomonyous]

If my wife had a friendgroup consisting of literal garden tools, I'd say she'd have little recourse calling me out, lmfao.

[@houseofhas9355]

Yeah but does he have the balls to say that and take a stand. Nope.

[@Sukhoi_Su-25]

Bruh lmfao☠

[@caspianbchalphy]

Yeah I’m admittedly scared of a lot of AI stuff. Also Brave New World was terrifying to me. All the stuff in this video just creeps me out. I like my privacy.

[@roleplayingpain4349]

imagine being shamed to tears by a scrolling roll of avatars and emojis

[@Phibred]

Star Trek TNG explored this with the Barkley episode "Hollow Pursuits", season 3 episode 21, making holographic copies of the crew.

[@Ultravenom1]

"Computer, create Deanna Troi with no clothes and severe flatulence. She will be sitting on a chair with an opening in the seat big enough for my face. " -Based Barkley.

[@shortwave737]

Man this is a tough one for me. I hadn’t thought about the actors in porn point SFO brought up which is a very interesting point. Ultimately, I think crucifying Atronox is too far. Porn clouds judgement a lot and being around it too much will make you look at things you never would otherwise. His issue is more a problem based around porn addiction in general and is a large scale societal issue and not his problem. As for Deepfakes in general, I believe the woman who was crying saying it isn’t her job to deal with that is actually incorrect. You are a public figure and it is your job to moderate your image and ensure it stays how you want it to. You have to deal with your own copyright and everything else, this is no different to any of that in my opinion. Sure it feels sucky to know your likeness is being used in that way, but when you are a public figure that is the consequence.

[@prose_nineonetwozerofivethree]

Rule 34: If it exists, there are lewds

[@zoopdterdoobdter5743]

He should never have apologized. So sad... *I watch all kinds of things out of morbid curiosity.* 🤭 If someone deepfaked *MY SISTER,* I would absolutely check that out, DM her with the link with a snarky comment and expect her to laugh her ass off... This is the biggest non-issue.

[@Serbinderbintine]

Rule 34 + deepfakes = porn of everything No shame at all imo. Pokethot was not harmed in any way.

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

If anything I want more of these ai pics

[@20thcentury_toy]

@@just_a_turtle_chad welcome to the future

[@m0-m0597]

@@just_a_turtle_chad it's not even real

[@amentco8445]

@@m0-m0597 and?

[@Y2KNW]

The only injury was to her bank account, which was denied the money she didn't, and won't make, because she's not yet ready to do the really degenerate stuff people commission artists to make. And that's what really hurt her. Why would you pay for pics of her doing [your grotesque fetish here] when you can get someone else to make them for far less, and then when she finally does [your grotesque fetish here] you won't pay her for it because you've moved on? (and by "grotesque fetish" I mean handholding, of course)

[@remyllebeau77]

These women need a healthy dose of a reality check. How are women oblivious to the fact that in the mind of men, it's not uncommon to sexualize any and all women they are physically attracted to, and it's the logical next step for technology to fill the void for celebrities that don't have that type of content online. Maya sounds clueless when she doesn't realize that "zero sexual content" and "my body against my will" are mutually exclusive claims. Either it isn't really her body, or she is lying about never making that kind of content. The real question is if women own every image and creation of their own likeness, even if it is just their face on a fake or substitute body. I strongly disagree with that being the case, because it would end any freedom for artists, even before you consider the rights of AI and pron.

[@ExeErdna]

Basically they want their own priacy yet complain people bring up the irony when they want to out donators and all others that mock them. They KNOW how men work the lot of them have droves of simps.

[@steffanshade3969]

You’re right. And it’s this kind of drama that makes me think certain ancient religious taboos against making simulacra of man or animal were on to something.

[@latt.qcd9221]

They're not oblivious to anything. They know perfectly well what they're doing and they're just exploiting people's instinct to save the wahmens at men's expense.

[@tumamaencosplay]

Am I the only one who was deeply disgusted by the blondy demonizing fapping to fake images everyone know are fake, because the women in the fake images AREN'T BENEFITING, and that them beneffiting makes it ok!?!?!? So you are CRYING because the AI creator isn't sending you a check??????? I hope every single e-celeb gets so much deep fake content people get bored of it.

[@ExeErdna]

@@tumamaencosplay You're basically right they're bad because they're not making the money. Yet that's how some prudes work. They dog the field then begging for people to pay to see them. After that get indignant when people go "nah" I too hope they get deepfaked until the market value is gutted.

[@Timber_LXG_5]

He's not sorry He's sorry he got caught

[@m0-m0597]

This comment is the perfect example of why you don't apologize on the internet

[@Timber_LXG_5]

@@m0-m0597 never apologize on the internet lol

[@andrewkelley9405]

Nyanners only disavows her past because she doesn't want karma biting her backside.

[@ausaskar]

If she truly believed what she did was wrong then she would not have popped back up the (4chan adjacent) vtuber scene with a loli avatar doing her loli voice. But $$$ talks and bullshit walks.

[@abjectlyterrible]

Also how is she a 'wokescold'? Love it or hate it (Meaning nuxtaku simps) vshojo is still the most risque vtuber agency. Oh wait I forgot the one that Pippa is in

[@sasi5841]

@@abjectlyterrible phase connect

[@tumamaencosplay]

@@abjectlyterrible Vshojo is a literal HS Meangirl club, it's not risque, it's a trashy den of snakes. And yes Pippa and Phase Connect are based.

[@ivansmirnoff6987]

I've kind of developed a view of this that is probably super unsatisfactory for almost everyone. If you enter into the public as a celebrity of any level, I feel like there's an unwritten contract that you sign that you are sacrificing a great deal of your privacy for fame and fortune. It truly sucks, I imagine, that you'll have weirdos writing articles on everything you say, trolling through records to find your family members and addresses, but it's an unfortunate downside to trading privacy for fame and fortune. In a way, it's worse for internet celebrities because the inherent nature of their fame is to give a more intimate peak into their life than for traditional media celebrities. For women, this can suck even more, because you'll have horny men doing shit like this, though let's not pretend that famous men aren't also victims of nude leaks at times. I do feel like sometimes it's a bit eyeroll inducing that celebrities will complain about their lack of privacy and demonize those that partake in the peeling away of their privacy, while basking in all the benefits of their craft. Like any job, I feel that being a celebrity comes with a whole host of positives and negatives, but celebrities are in the privileged position to make the negatives of their jobs sound worse than what your average deep coal miner has to go through.

[@Alex.Holland]

I think this is essentially reality, even if people dont like it.

[@whitehavencpu6813]

Its called foregoing your privacy. When you go out into public, everyone is free to imagine you in any possible way shape or form in their heads. They are free to replicate their thoughts onto paper or digitally and share what they create with others. You don't have any right to control the imagination of other people. If you go out into public and also expose information, you can't complain that people heard what you said and are sharing that information. Its not really a contract, rather, the lack of a contract that says "you will not imagine me in ways I don't like".

[@5002seven]

I came to say this, essentially lol.

[@lloydgush]

I wouldn't say this sucks more for women, there's just as much and way more obsessive horny chicks out there.

[@ivansmirnoff6987]

@@lloydgush please don't make me sound like a feminist. It's obviously worse for women. How many deepfakes of female celebrities are there vs male celebrities? I'd be willing to bet the ratio is something insane, like 100 to 1. Maybe there are more fanfictions written by women, but horny men seem to go further out of their way than women do in this regard. I'm almost certain that this is because men don't have as much easy access to sex.

[@OliveOilFan]

It's always the snakes who want to end privacy

[@ReclusiveAsta]

Thots crying over having their faces shipped... c'mon, get over yourselves. "Sexualisation is only a bad thing when women aren't the arbiters of it."

[@Ranatosk]

All I have to say about this is I hope Atrioc recovers from this and that his wife truly forgives him, reminds me of the saying “Momento Mori” because everyone makes mistakes regardless of the size of it, so hopefully suffering from this will drive him to be better. I’ve been down a similar road and it truly is an eye opener as it gave me true insight into my own psyche and the ability to rectify my behavior. Now I’m much more humble and assume I can be wrong about anything at any point in time so long as someone proves it to me. With that said I feel his actions were partly symptoms of other problems, for one it gives me the impression his wife isn’t giving him enough attention or something and felt starved for intimacy, that and the Twitch thot situation creating a form of stigma driving men more towards hedonistic behaviors.

[@LordOfAllusion]

“Does consent of the present negate consent of the past?” You’re deadboobing her

[@danagray9709]

I 100% support deepfake porn. Nobody is actually hurt by it and it's no worse than someone drawing rule 34 stuff.

[@spiritupgrades]

However, the stuff on 34 isn't real. Also, what would happen if the identity is stolen, like the revenge snuff? With how it's going, it's frankly too easy to abuse deep fakes.

[@Keirnoth]

@@spiritupgrades Deepfakes aren't real. What's your point?

[@spiritupgrades]

@@Keirnoth Point being fraud It is the highest amount of criminal offense than murder, don't you know?

[@danagray9709]

​@@spiritupgrades but it is fake. That's not the real girl. And we're not talking about using the tech to steal someone's identity, we're talking about trying to imagine them naked. Nobody's being blackmailed or hurt here. There wouldn't even be a controversy if this idiot hadn't kept random porn tabs open while working(wtf is up with all these people watching porn at work!?).

[@spiritupgrades]

@@danagray9709 The first part That's the crux of it. If it weren't a living, breathing individual of flesh & blood, I wouldn't bother remarking. I have told the weebs this countless times, yet they still don't understand. However, I'm assuming; The "who" that are the victims has made it harder to sympathize with them, so I can understand why everyone isn't seeing the potential gale slowly forming. The Second part We are talking about the technology that will be that very such thing & much, much more. Yes, no one is being blackmailed or hurt, but then again, that's thinking small as to what it can accomplish. The third part I'm glad that this guy screwed up, as this has now gotten the concept of deepfakes into the mindset of the community & hopefully, the rest of KZbin. Also, side note, for some reason, you & the other person's comments are being hidden; if you don't believe me, you can go incognito and see for yourself. How I'm able to comment to you through the reply; however, anyone else new to the discussion will only just see me talking to ghosts.

[@badradish2116]

*chooses to be rich and famous* *chooses to get paid to play videos games* *chooses to work on a website notorious for exploitation of women* *pxrn is made, like it is for literally every other celebrity* *surprised pikachu face*

[@anthonylipira9526]

5:26 Wait, Pokimane and the Ok Boomer Girl aren't the same person? I can't tell these Twitch streamers apart.

[@andrewponder3855]

Okay Boomer Girl is called Neekolul.

[@anthonylipira9526]

@@andrewponder3855 Thanks. They look the same to me. Maybe I'm getting old.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

Peterson vindicated again. Too bad he's now too traumatized to notice it

[@viridiansun3935]

Dude I keep seeing you everywhere 💀

[@J-Ton]

Too bad Peterson is also opposed, more generally, to online anonymity

[@BruhMoment-fr4zr]

I really don't care for Petersons boomer-tier takes on Internet anonymity. If the guy can't handle "trolls" he should just get off Twitter already.

[@inadvertanly86]

I didn't expect a shitposty video about the Atrioc drama, but I did expect Dev using the Atrioc drama to springboard into a wider idea.

[@Keirnoth]

The question is whether or not people should regulate it, and considering a portion of Dev's fanbase are pro government, I'm not surprised you have people advocating for the regulation of a technology.

[@dukemagus]

My memory might be inaccurate, but wasn't one of Serial Experiments Lain's stories about someone impersonating another girl and making indecent claims? (Iirc it was also implied she shared some indecent media). I forgot how that plotline ended, but didn't it imply you could erase your own identity? Maybe the next step is people pushing their own fakes so much that's impossible to know what facts about themselves are actually real, becoming a blur on the society's painting, where any and no action can be attributed to you

[@ThiccSumoWarDog]

It was basically about the concept of your online identity being not only something that could take on a new role apart from you, but could also influence reality in ways you yourself couldn't or wouldn't. Lain basically had another version of her that she herself didn't know, but other people knew well and she had know idea what to do about it.

[@FUDBuddy]

Your content has improved, i like that you don't focus on the drama and rather see the bigger picture and explore the actual significance and roots.

[@YoshiTheOreo]

This AI stuff is getting out of hand: AI art, AI coding, AI porn, AI construction bots, AI comments, AI raceswapping, AI cars. I wanted flying cars and hoverboards, not dystopian nightmare fuel.

[@tristanbackup2536]

The only AI I want is an assistant one we get to set reminders, schedule things, keeps your house in order etc like in some sci-fi, of course, not connected to the Internet directly & a physical switch so you can have some private time. That's as far as I'll ever go.

[@KyriosHeptagrammaton]

Dev has no skeletons in his closet because he sits on a throne made from them

[@JodyBruchon]

I wouldn't feel bad. I'm tired of seeing whipped soy boys apologize on the internet. Grow up...and ditch Queen Problem Glasses.

[@kenelt]

that some pure manipulation tear if i have ever seen one. using the wife on the background to increase the pity factor. perfection.

[@BruhMoment-fr4zr]

It's just cringe, honestly, this shit should be a private conversation held between husband and wife, not broadcasted to an audience of 17 year old zoomers

[@Kyle7565]

A question that needs to be answered, if this is going to be considered a major moral failing going forward, is rectifying deepfakes with people's conception of the "spank bank" (every attractive person they ever dated, knew or happened to glance at). People are in no more control over others imagining them in a sexual context any more than what they can stop the AI from generating. It should also be rather obvious that people are not in the habit of requesting consent prior to imagination based self-gratification as a general rule. So what moral distinction can be drawn between what people imagine and what they ask the AI to generate?

[@jaybojones3473]

For me the part he should apologize is paying for porn. Bruh just Google that shit

[@Serbinderbintine]

They are saying they haven't done anything sexual online....... they would not be known by anyone unless the were sexually attractive females.

[@internetguy7889]

Bingo

[@whothoughthandleswereagoodidea]

I like how that one crying lady's response was "This shouldn't happen if the people in the images aren't profiting from it." and not "This is a dangerous and hideous overstep of humanity's power of technology." As if she'd be fine with it if they *were* making money off of it.

[@m0-m0597]

I'm just here because of the thumbnail 👀

[@Kevin-ls2gt]

Coomers unite

[@talkingmudcrab718]

Man, worst thing I ever done was I got caught sleeping on the roof of the office I worked in one time. I can't imagine being a streamer. I would probably have to make a tearful apology every week based upon my browser tabs. Edit: Shit, I just finished the video. I'm going back to the roof of that little office and sleeping forever.

[@BradleyZS]

This is just funny. It feels like a scene out of a sitcom.

[@sick_pixel9568]

Not sure about if this is a hot take but I kinda of support deep fakes. You can't stop someone from sexualising someone else in their own head and we crossed the line of look alike with casting porn actress to look like other people. The thing I'm hoping for is with ai being used to make all sorts of things including porn that we eliminate the need for porn actresses and actors and that it all be something tailor made.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

thank you very much man

[@flamestoyershadowkill6400]

so true ethical porn?

[@sick_pixel9568]

@Flamestoyer Shadowkill more like more ethical then what we got now. A future like this will have plenty of ethical baggage I'm more just hoping that this will be the porn industry's undoing

[@thegoldenphoenix3710]

You may have a point

[@41-Haiku]

I must be missing the part of my brain that would have any objections to a friend or stranger jacking off to real or fake pictures of me. Where is the victimization? When deepfakes are shared around, I can see real harm in harassment, or in the person depicted not psychologically accepting the situation. But in private? Where is the harm, or even the possibility of harm? Objectification can be oppressive irl, if you're treating someone as _only_ an object, but in addition to our humanity, we are all also objects. We do not have the right as people to prevent others from thinking about us or doing as they will with our likeness in private.

[@AscendantStoic]

11:47 "Literally all Vee does anymore" .... not anymore, the people running CharacterAi lobotomized Vee's waifus (using some very intrusive A.I filter) and he stopped using the site in angry protest XD 11:57 That's basically Psycho Pass, HIGHLY RECOMMENDED anime!

[@luismiguel-dt1ge]

My face colapse into itself cringing with that first clip, shit was painfull to witness

[@inthefade]

I think the most embarassing thing is that Atrioc paid for it.

[@jaredpoon5869]

I think I agree in part that identity has to do with it. But in this situation, I think part of it has to do with the creator’s intentions. Look at deepfakes of Keanu Reeves stopping a robber (Corridor) or any Tom Cruise deepfakes. Those generally don’t feel immoral because we know that people aren’t meant to think that the person is actually doing those things. The reason this feels worse is that both the creator and the user imagining the subject doing those things. The deepfake is meant to be the subject. Or in other words, the identity borrowing is not a joke.

[@ryvengeance6467]

I wonder if someone were to deepfake a dude would the same level of concern be given?

[@gladonos3384]

Nope.

[@MrSnek75]

"The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race."

[@Keirnoth]

The sexual revolution was a disaster more than industrial IMO.

[@morkovija]

this one is really well thought out. the twins analogy made me wonder where the border lies

[@punchout2418]

Have you guys seen that Deepfake of Devon and JBP? It truly is a sight to behold. Now that's what I call art. Wether you're picturing Jordan as the pitcher or the catcher says a lot about your psychological state of being bucko.

[@ComicGladiator]

I don't imagine JBP as catcher or pitcher, because as a philosopher I think he'd take either with a stoic practicality.

[@nathanperquin9910]

i do not believe the crying girl for a single second, Everything about her rant screams performative. You can not hold an emotional load and talk abotu something that upsets you and maintain that emotional load without devolving into blubbering incoherently , You either get progressively more difficult to understand due to emotion overtaking you, or you gradually sober up because it actually doesn't hit you as hard. besides she pretends For money for a living. I would trust the emotion of a deep fake sooner than a streamer

[@Keirnoth]

Yep, the Amber Heard crocodile tears act.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

Frankly, maybe its cuz of I'm a guy but my reaction would be numb if this happened to me. Like its just a realistic picture, its not me, its not real, its someone's A.I. enabled fantasy and they can have their fantasy. Edit And even with watching till the whole talk about Identity, as long as people know its deep fake, I really still won't care. 9:57 As such, I disagree here. A rumour that ur a s**t affects ur actual identity while the deep fake is only simulation of ur identity getting thrown around. Also, the self identity folks for trans can always say, that their position is that ur self identity should be your identity in other people's minds as well and continue their idiocy.

[@DeathMonkeys]

Honestly any Deepfake of me would be generous, you can’t make my manhood any smaller 😂

[@pong9000]

TFW I carefully shred every paper with my name on it, but still nobody takes up the challenge to steal my identity.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

@@pong9000 I mean, Identity theft is a different thing. No one's stealing me bank details with A.I. Porn.

[@Supiragon1998]

3:32 At least she's honest (about when she thinks it's okay)

[@eldrazo6325]

I gotta disagree with you. Pokimane is basically in the same category as amouranth.

[@nathansalvetti8232]

2023 and people still Eichenwald themselves, holy shit.

[@TheTGOAC]

DONT SEXUALIZE US UNLESS WE MAKE MONEY OFF OF IT REEEEEE

[@twerkingfish4029]

Man, I wish I was 10 years older or 10 years younger. So that I either had the experience of being an adult in a world without all of this weirdness or I grew up thinking it was normal.

[@video-synth]

Here's what bothers me: where do the deepfakers draw the line? At what point does one stop? People could use this to deepfake child actors on these and that's the part that's gross.

[@thecompareablezombie]

There would be a limit, that one specifically is morally wrong.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

This will go the way of crypto, by which I mean no one is looking forward at where anything's going, there will be a complete trainwreck in the technology somewhere, and it'll just get more awkward than ever.

[@presentfactory]

Gross perhaps, but you can already do such things by making digital art and many people do. It might be questionable but just like other art forms no actual child is being harmed by such a thing, so I don't think it's something that'd constitute illegality.

[@harleymitchelly5542]

@@presentfactory There's one gray area worth mentioning.... if you're doing a child actor's portrayal of a character, I'm going to want that going to a jury. Not that I want to give the jury a prescription here to be clear, but that this is such an edge case a jury, on a case-by-case basis, should be the ones to decide legality or illegality. But yes. Morally? I condemn it. Legally... that edge case should be mentioned because a child was kind of involved, but otherwise no child no crime.

[@frogjupiter]

If you’re curious, can’t remember the name of the case (Dev talked about in Balenciaga blues), the Supreme Court already ruled that simulated “Cheese Pizza” would be illegal if a reasonable person can’t distinguish it from a real kid. So animations or drawings are safe as long as it’s not photorealistic or deepfakes. I would say that’s a reasonable restriction, so if actual cheese pizza pops up, the producer can’t say it’s a deep fake and didn’t actually happen.

[@damianwootten]

He got caught for sure, but I do agree this is the abolishment of privacy. The bigger ramifications of of big tech striping us of our individuality.

[@killaronjones3933]

it's AI art and it's BEAUTIFUL

[@kevinwaddle447]

All of this could have been avoided if he remembered to only use your work computer for work.