Hollow Representation

The left never stopped being bigoted - they just co-opted anti-bigotry.
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[@ShortFatOtaku]

I can't believe Dev forgot about Family Matters. As punishment I will be quoting Steve Urkel endlessly during tonight's stream. - Editor Dave

[@saladman3008]

Could you link the Sargon video at the end? It's been a while since I've seen it and I'd a little nostalgia

[@elusivemayfly7534]

“Did I do that?” - Dev

[@YourMom-ll4el]

Thank you!

[@nicksdavessw]

@@saladman3008 kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3bIenZ5n9ZsodU&ab_channel=uschronicle

[@darksion124]

I'm trying to find that sargon debate but I'm blanking on the name of the opponent. I'm sure it was said I must've missed it.

[@John34645]

"Racism is not dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as "racists." - Thomas Sowell

[@solarchos4352]

Sadly, these bass turds used an AED on it. It's stabilized and off of the respirator now.

[@cosmicm8]

“You’re a white supremacist with a guilty conscience.” This describes every online leftist I know unironically.

[@Microphunktv-jb3kj]

they are mirroring their own feelings lol... all upperclass entitled kids of rich people... because they themselves have superiority complex.... they think working class people everywhere are racist and have "guilt" lol... guilt for what ?

[@DrCruel]

Left fascists are the most murderous racists alive in the world today.

[@blowfish1702]

Corys Valerion has multiple scenes in the show in which he states how pure his Valyrian blood is, how closely related he is to the Targaryn King....meanwhile Joffrey having blonde hair was enough to spark a civil war. GOT revolves around geneaology and lineage, yet we're now "racist" for noting it? If the show won't take it's own logical consistency seriously, why should we?

[@socialjihad5724]

I'll be honest, my greatest objection to that character is that he looks fucking ridiculous...the white dreadlocks do... not....work...like the aesthetics are just awful

[@inthefade]

Yeeeah. It's because GRRM regrets making the Targs black, which I would have been totally fine with, and actually makes sense. But changing the race of a house mid-story is insanity.

[@badlaamaurukehu]

@@inthefade I see what you didn't do there.

[@blowfish1702]

@@inthefade As magical invaders from a distant land they could have been bright green for all it mattered, the issue George has is that his remorse comes to late. Changing the rules as the games in play is a big no no....yet here we are.

[@woodwyrm]

@@socialjihad5724 yes the depiction of Corlys Velaryon is hideous.

[@thundursa8700]

I think this C.S. Lewis quote is more relevant today than ever before: “We must picture Hell as a state where everyone is perpetually concerned about their own dignity and advancement, where everyone has a grievance, and where everyone lives the deadly passions of envy, self-importance, and resentment.”

[@Rebrn-bk5em]

That’s just the human condition the problem is only some are allowed to express it

[@khululyp]

@@Rebrn-bk5em Lewis means that their only focused on their own personal human condition and expresses it constantly, freely, without consequence instead of also caring about the plight of others and trying to work together to improve upon it to the best of our ability.

[@rosegonella3098]

Or this: “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

[@MitridatedCarbon]

I've always said Twitter is hell on earth

[@MarcAlcatraz]

how have i just heard of this quote now? it's so applicable and a perfect example of the progressive downward spiral.

[@DankManPlays]

As a gay guy I could give less of a shit if there is or isn't a gay character in a show. If they're put in NATURALLY as in they don't come out and shove in your face "I'M GAY" then yeah, I'm a little happy that we're being represented as normal, functional people. When you do the opposite of that you just make us all look like a joke.

[@upsidedownmachiatto2670]

I grew up without seeing my own race in the shows I loved. They were mostly Japanese, Western, aliens, or robots. Goku, Megaman, Spider-man, Sakura etc. When CCS subtly hint that the FMCs brother was bisexual and that he is interested currently with his guy best friend, it wasn't in your face nor was it their only facet. When BC was revealed to be trans by the end of Vandread, her crew didn't even care. And it was presented as that and they moved on to the final battle. Me as the viewer was like oh that was a twist and then what's next? in an excited fashion. It really is about execution and appropriateness. If they just keep shoehorning diversity then we end up with remembering diversity as crappy instead of it helping.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

It's not supposed to be helping it supposed to kill you

[@GerardoSantana]

I hate that you have to put up with this crap

[@JohnSmith-wx9wj]

They don't see people as people, but tools or obstacles. A certain kind of gay man is a special tool to them.

[@DanielCollins85]

Thanks for being a normal human bean.

[@allegedwriter]

No one can convince me that they didn't make Aragorn black specifically to drum up publicity through controversy.

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

That's what all of it is. It's white people trying to pander to white people.

[@vivecthepoet36]

The bigger question: why does Aragorn have a shield? Aren't both of his swords canonically two-handers?

[@nu--13]

Hey remember that movie bright and how no black people are bringing it up? I remember because my girlfriend made me watch it and wouldn't shut up about Max Landis. She was lucky I didn't know what an idiot Max Landis was.

[@nu--13]

@@vivecthepoet36 BIG, MEATY, CLAAAWS

[@sworddomo1951]

@@nu--13 🦀 people

[@mrslasher1064]

When you played that "black people can't marry white people" clip It caused me to have the exact same reaction as when I first saw it,which is an uncontrollable laughing fit because no child has ever said that especially not one born after the 90s

[@GURGLEGUY12345]

I like how the two children were both boys, too, so they can pretend there's nothing going on there.

[@altechelghanforever9906]

The worse part is there are people unironically defending it.

[@darthgamer9861]

that clip made me cringe so hard I imploded into my feckin ribcage

[@imjust_a]

Back in the early 2000s I remember having an internet crush on someone I met in a kid friendly, online game. I was very young at the time, probably only 7 or so at most. I was much too young to understand what "love" was and far too young to be thinking of strangers in that way. One day a very important question popped into my little brain (possibly brought on by a random discussion with my friends in a McDonalds play-place): what if this person I had a crush on, whom I knew nothing about, happened to be black? Is it even *allowed* for me, a white person, to marry a black person? Would that be acceptable? I rushed over to my mom -- a very conservative woman to this day -- to ask her this question, to which she answered: "Yeah, it's fine for white people to marry black people." And just like that, my Earth-shaking question had been answered.

[@beta511ee4]

I should that the clip was taken out of context. The cringiness of it was intentional.

[@t_s_albatross3270]

It’s representation for the sake of it, regardless of context. That’s why we get horrible people doing horrible things (such as in the Identification of Evil) but also are completely for the current thing despite being corrupt at the core.

[@АндрейНеугодников-м6е]

*because of being corrupt at the core

[@mounne13]

Chris Chan and Ezra Miller

[@Code7Unltd]

Reputational laundering. It's a coin termed by the AntiWork subreddit that appears to apply here. Anyway, the focus should be on the most destructive race, like a tribe that wear small caps and like to blend in with other races (especially whites, since they're quite pale). They get offended when singled out since it makes blending into another racial group harder. Guess whom I speak of?

[@robertbeisert3315]

I'd argue it's anti-representation - they're trying to NOT show a certain kind of person "Every word from their mouths is a lie." Assume it to be so, and the world will make more sense.

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

I'm so tired of it I have actually decided to never represent specific demographics in my work.

[@darkmega97]

"Representation" in media now a days feels more like a shield for mediocre media to avoid criticism more than anything

[@phantom8926]

That's exactly what it is. It fucking sucks.

[@OniGanon]

I wish it was mediocre. That would be an improvement.

[@phantom8926]

@@nobafan7515 these are the same people that tell us we need to move on from 9/11 but refuse to move on from slavery. They're also the types to dwell on something they said 5 years ago and can't move on yet expect you to move on from when they say or do something horrible.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

It's more to keep their glorified sheep to keep giving em money and power.

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

@@phantom8926 Because it ain't a big selling point for the victimhood industry.

[@SouthernGothicYT]

This'll totally be a zoomer take, it seemed like back in the 2000s there was so much more genuine diversity on TV. Cartoons had either majority black characters like The Boondocks and The Proud Family, or had multiple different races in their main cast like Recess, Hey Arnold, The Magic School Bus, etc. I remember school textbooks always had pictures of kids of any type, asian/black/white/latino etc and always at least 1 wheelchair kid.

[@fvckgoo9le242]

That Boondocks episode where MLK comes back became way too real

[@ClarkKentai]

For a long time I called it the Burger King Kids' Club Effect.

[@Ranatosk]

@@ClarkKentai Burger King Kids’ Club?

[@GURGLEGUY12345]

Oh, things were absolutely better back then. All diversity felt natural. I never paid it a second thought if I saw a minority or female lead. Gays weren't exactly represented often, unless the target audience was more mature, but there was a time I'd actually be impressed if they put a gay character in a show for younger people. Now it's impossible for me to see something without a straight white male lead without feeling it's some sort of virtue signal, and that is absolutely not my fault, don't @ me.

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

@@GURGLEGUY12345 I feel the exact same way.

[@Bopperann]

Modern "representation" always sacrifices story for "the message." Writers aren't allowed to give the "representing" character fault or flaw, less it is taken as personal insult to the "represented" group. So writers end up with rooms full of token characters they can do nothing with because they aren't allowed to explore them roughly. This isn't to mention the parade of straight huwhite strawmen antagonists. It's absolutely dull that the diverse characters aren't allowed to struggle with actual threats.

[@killcat1971]

Yup and the BBEG is pretty much always a whiteman, no room for a strong villain of color.

[@hatman4818]

... Holy sh@t, I just realized that by that metric, Kingsmen must be the most racist movie on the planet in the eyes of the SJWs. White british dudes? Fighting a black villain? Meanwhile, I loved the movie, just because it was a decent (though corny) action flick. And half of what made it good was Samuel Jackson having an absolute blast playing the villain.

[@cosmickeystomycreationandtimes]

I'm bi myself but I want nothing to do with pride and I distance myself from the alphabet community as much as possible. The only harassment or issues I've encountered because of my sexuality have come from that very community.

[@Bounts_]

I relate to this, it sucks because I feel very alienated from the community that's supposed to support me while also dealing with assholes outside of that group too.

[@G.N.F462]

same honestly

[@fookinkoont]

sending all my loving to you my fellow humans, we will pull through

[@iw9472]

Bi here, SAME

[@iw9472]

@@Bounts_ tell me about it, sending my love!!

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

They've caused a major resurgence in resentment for groups they pretend to care about, and they don't care.

[@prot07ype87]

Glad people are pointing this out too. I've said it during the whole Bridget controversy; *transphobes aren't the ones doing the biggest damage to the trans-movement, it's trans people.* The biggest damage done to the LGBT-movement aren't the homphobes. It's the LGBT-lobby right now.

[@MaverickhunterXZero]

@@prot07ype87 Pride Parades never helped them. How was running around in assless chaps and bondage gear, going to make anyone take you seriously? They've only gotten far worse because they know they'll get away with it. For all their talk of tearing the system down, they just love the upper-class privileges.

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

That’s actually the goal. It’s not to foster acceptance. That’s actually antithetical to their mission. Acceptance would normalize the oppressed group in society, thus they’ll become content and not want to overthrow society. They _need_ to create resentment so they can create angry agitators. I recommend James Lindsay’s podcasts about Herbert Marcuse and about Queer Theory.

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Yeah favoritism breeds resentment

[@TheSpecialJ11]

It's wild. Dumb rightoids (not Dev watchers, of course) will project their hatred of woke people onto the groups the woke people are "championing". I've seen it happen to my trans friend. Not directly, but comments sections that years ago would have been indifferent to trans people are now saying "All trans women are just men in dresses." While those people absolutely exist, there are also genuine gender dysphoric people whose dysphoria is resolved after transitioning and actually making an effort to be a woman.

[@DreadnoughtFiend]

I saved my black friend from student Debt, She's a electrician now, and has no loans. Fucking made me proud.

[@lordchungus1552]

Based

[@stronensycharte64]

@@lordchungus1552 you guys are worse than leftists, milk toast trash, good job moving the overton window even further left

[@genelearnsenglish4242]

I'm from Eastern Europe, being white, blue-eyed and blond. I grew up watching cartoons on my grandma's cable, such as Justice League and playing videos games such as Diablo 2. In both examples, my favourite character ended up being a black one: John Stewart (Green Lantern) from the former and the Paladin from the latter. Each exemplified the meaning of duty and responsibility, protecting the weak and fighting evil using his awesome powers. Which is why it's so bizarre for us Easterners to see this resurface of race-focused themes in modern entertainment.

[@IceQueen975]

This. The vast majority of my fave characters are actually male. I'm a very girly girl. But they showed wit, diplomacy, kindness and intelligence. THAT is why I like them.

[@OwObotJazz]

It's too much effort to succeed with talent or hard work, it's easier to grift off race or whatever other dumbass category they got to keep us at each other's throats.

[@animeking1357]

I've seen a handful of Green Lanturns and John Stewart is still my favorite. He's one of the best characters from the Justice League cartoon.

[@donborjuto7321]

I'm Aspergers and not a single one of my favourite characters is Aspergers/autistic, almost like being an identity-obssesed moron searching for validation is being that : a moron.

[@genelearnsenglish4242]

@RenamedChannel No, he's always been black. His skin is dark as chocolate and the black hair is short and curly on his model and all of his art. I even have an old guide to the game with artworks of him. Maybe you could argue he's a very dark skinned Arab or has mixed ancestry.

[@TheStickCollector]

I would say that most representation today is only hollow

[@GreenVikeenArt]

And it's so sad...

[@Noscopenoproblem]

It's less than hollow, it's a black hole

[@MrJobocan]

I'm sure the down syndrome representation in Splatoon 3 is purely unintentional.

[@BirthdayFreak67]

I believe the term is called "Tokenism" You know the thing Black people fought against in the 90's

[@Bendilin]

Hollow implies there's at least a shell. Representation is purely astroturfed from the ground up.

[@wojinations9594]

The Steven Universe clip was even funnier because it was 2 young boys, but they just blow right past the idea of gay marriage like interracial marriage is more maligned these days.

[@TetsuRiken]

That is the thing that threw me off especially when gay marriage at least in the us was made legal

[@Noperare]

Don't you know? Homosexuality is an exclusive white privilege. By law, only white people can be gay.

[@crakhaed]

I hate that they've used SU like that. I loved that show when I was a progressive, but now I just feel bad seeing the actual good characters being shoehorned into these wretched antiracist commercials. Sure, it was a progressive show itself, but it still was a well-written and executed program besides that.

[@jlall4467]

They are kids

[@TetsuRiken]

@@jlall4467 that's not really the point it's more so because if you don't know the psa in universe was "rascim is bad" but then you consider that the kids were two boys and it makes the whole thing even weirder in the context of the psa both in and out of universe

[@samoto6943]

Forced diversity in the modern age is already incideous enough, actually being racist because you're woke is true evil. Thank you for hitting something i've been mulling over this week, dev!

[@npcimknot958]

it is racist asf.

[@keithunlimited]

THANK YOU. I've been screaming about this since The Force Awakens when I got the rude awakening that "representation" regressed and HARD. Look up Finn the Lost Protaganist and you can see the writer talk about how he was told to take out the romance of Finn and Rey, as well as how they continually downgraded and humiliated his character. All the while the narrative was created ONLY that if you don't like Finn your a racist. But NEVER pay attention to what they did to the actor and character. And it worked. White people cheered while geeks like me saw, "Get to the Back of the Bus" in big million dollar letters. And "liberals" cheered.

[@americankid7782]

I was so disappointed with what they did with Fin. I loved the idea of his character and the potential he had but they just dropped the ball every time. One thing that immediately showed me they didn’t care about Fin was the Joy they showed him having as he was killing other Stormtroopers in the movie. You know, other brainwashed child soldiers exactly like him. It was like watching someone painstakingly paint a perfect base layer on a painting, then immediately start stabbing the Canvas.

[@IceQueen975]

Another example to add to the list: the upcoming Percy Jackson show. The author racebent Annabeth. The character for over 15 books is described as long hair, grey eyes, tanned skin. She is a daughter of Athena. She is meant to subvert the "dumb blond" trope. When the movies came out the actress has brown hair in the first movie and people lost their shit. Even Rick, the author, made public his scathing emails to the movie directors. But now it's fine if Annabeth is black. Because something something diversity. And if you are angry about it (like I am) you're called racist. Like, no you f*cknut, I am angry because 1. her appearance actually matters and 2. the author himself is on *record* as saying the next adaption will have a visually-accurate cast... and yet he subverted his own work!? I won't even *touch* on Netflix's Shadow and Bone, where they made the protag half-Shu (aka half Chinese) even though it makes no sense in context of the state of the world AND it steals the already paper-thin representation of Slavic people the author had.

[@Nightman221k]

I love PJO and I really had nothing but respect for Rick Riordan before the new Annabeth situation. I like that he actually includes minority/LGBT characters organically in the actual books not doing it for clout after the fact like JK Rowling (performative and fake representation from a misandrist) I could accept the casting choice if he just said, “she’s great as the character. We cast her cause she brings the personality to the role in a special way please be respectful of the choice. I know you all will give it a chance” something like that. But no, instead Rick said that people complaining were racists and condemned anyone who wasn’t on board before any strife began. That’s basically spitting in the face to fanart creators and the fact that he wrote descriptions of Annabeth and official art depicts her blonde with gray eyes and fair skin so for over a decade fans have perceived Annabeth in their mind as blonde haired, fair skinned, and grey eyed. It’s asking the fans who like the idea to despise fans who aren’t and I don’t like that cause he could’ve easily quelled the infighting if he wasn’t so harsh.

[@corenlavolpe6143]

Ngl as a Slavic person I don't really care that much about representation. Though I personally feel plenty represented by ANY character, regardless of appearance, that shares my personality and/or values. I know some people put more weight on it than I do, and that's okay.

[@frostreaper1607]

Honestly I can't wait fro AI and deepfake to become as widespread as AI art (and yes that stuff IS coming, just look at Stable Diffusion for open source AI art) , fans are going to fix these movies at home and I will need a warehouse supply of popcorn to watch the MSM scream 'muh rasismus' about it. Let them make their shitty race swapped movies, hope even for them to be good, because a good movie has better potential to get fixed than a bad one.

[@wumpusrat]

The thing that bothers me the most about race-swapping is the hypocrisy of it. Case in point, in the show (or was it a movie?) that came out a couple years ago where they race-swapped Anne Boleyn to be played by a black actress. Or last year I believe, when the Vikings show race-swapped AND gender-swapped a historical male jarl to be a black woman. These things were touted as "stunning and brave" and all the usual woke talking points about it, and how anyone who was against it was just a racist/sexist/whatever. Yet if you did it in reverse, and swapped a black woman to be a white man? The screams from the woke crowd on twitter would be absolutely deafening. It's the hypocrisy I can't stand. Replacing white characters with non-whites (and almost always blacks) is a good thing in their mind. But NEVER the other way around. That's evil and horrible and "whitewashing".

[@redman9493]

Reminds me of when I was called racist for pointing out that Roland from the Dark Tower books is meant to be a white man and how it effects the interactions he has with a main character who is a black woman.

[@slashbash1347]

I remember a friend of mine complained about going to a proctologist and how all the doctors were white men. To him, I ask, "Who do you think should be removed from their position? Who do you think would be a superior replacement? If you can't answer both of those questions, shut up." Then again, this friend told a mutual pro-life friend that he should "grow a uterus" before having an opinion on abortion, even though he's a also man with an opinion on abortion. Anyway, you never see women demanding equal representation as janitors, sewer workers, or sanitation workers.

[@3eve0n]

I wonder how your "friend" would react to pro-life women

[@MrSpartanspud]

More female shit shovellers!

[@slashbash1347]

@@3eve0n Well, I don't know if he'd call her a pick-me or say she has internalized misogyny, because, despite being a Leftist, he's generally a nice guy, but I know that's what a lot of feminists (male or otherwise) would.

[@prot07ype87]

@@slashbash1347 He's a nice guy, until you disagree with him.

[@slashbash1347]

@@prot07ype87 Nah, I've disagreed with him plenty of times. He never insulted me or tried to ruin my life, even though he thought I was wrong. He also berated Antifa for ruining any chance of civil conversation.

[@Not_actually_a_commie]

“The personal is political” = “All within the state”. It’s the same concept.

[@Not_actually_a_commie]

@man with a username I occasionally watch a fascist channel to get information from the horse's mouth. I remember watching a video where the guy literally says that the personal and public life are the same thing. It's nearly verbatim.

[@Eirik_Bloodaxe]

Well Hegel said The State is the Divine Idea as it exists on Earth. Which sounds pretty fascist to me. And he was a socialist 🤷‍♂️

[@acctsys]

This calls to mind the Chinese meme "All under heaven." It's in the movie Hero with Jet Li. It didn't make sense for me back then, and I find it insidious now.

[@acctsys]

@@Eirik_Bloodaxe Fascist, socialist, etc. are flavors of the same disgusting authoritarian rule.

[@thundursa8700]

“Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools.” -Romans 1:22

[@slashbash1347]

The ironic thing is, I LIKE diversity. I like seeing things through different perspectives. I like European fantasy but I also like Asian, African, and Native American fantasy. Two of my favorite books to come out recently are a sci-fi set in Africa and a fantasy based on Asia. There's no need to replace existing characters. My favorite TV show, Samurai Jack, has an Asian protagonist. Also, if diversity is a goal, fine, but the first priority should always be telling a good story. Hell, one guy wrote a children's book because he noticed that there were very few black characters in children's books that weren't about slavery or segregation, and it was about a kid who likes to eat his own boogers. Also, if you need a character to share your race to relate to them, you're a racist narcissist.

[@IceQueen975]

All of this.

[@samiamtheman7379]

That's another thing to bring up. Tons of cultures have their own fantasy and mythology, but modern writers insist on shoving minorities into European fantasy.

[@evzenvarga9707]

Isn't it easier to relate to someone like you?

[@KeyBladeMaster-Dan]

👆👆👆👆 THIS!!!!!

[@slashbash1347]

@@evzenvarga9707 Sure but only in terms of personality.

[@agm5424]

The people who are obsessed with representation do so because of only two reasons: A) they are hollow and have no personality or individual identity and values of their own. Everything they are beginnings and ends with their passive traits like their skinm and sxlty. And B) they are narcissistic. They want and need for everything to be about them and thus want to see people with a few similarities in oositions of fame and power so they feel self validated as opposed to actually doing something productive and thus fulfilling with their lives; they wanna be rewarded just for "being".

[@elemomnialpha]

I think there's also a 3rd type shown by that clip at the end "White supremacists with a guilty conscience"

[@ulaznar]

I'd bet that actors hired by their "diversity" just roleplay as themselves inside the fictional world. See Idiot Page in Umbrella Academy

[@takeoasylum1775]

And C) They're just plain stupid, ungrateful and in my opinion down right evil

[@prot07ype87]

Exactly. *They have no interesting personalities nor qualities, so they turn their arbitrary characteristics (race, gender, sexuality, etc.) into a personality trait and make everything revolve around it, in order to feel special, included, proud, and praised for it.* Pride and inflated self-importance. They even consider their own pronouns as medals or something. It's one big coping mechanism instead of facing reality that they're not special.

[@agm5424]

There's supposed to be four replies before mine but I can only see elemomnialpha's

[@Bendilin]

My parents were watching a rerun of Ready Or Not, an older high school drama show for teenagers. It was the Halloween episode and they were considering costumes. One girl suggests them making ghost costumes out of white sheets, and the token black girl nervously said, "Oh... I don't like... 'ghosts'." It kinda took me aback, because these shows typically never talked about race issues.

[@MALICEM12]

We've been on this path for a long time, it was just subtler back then and we tend to forget. For example, everyone bitches about feminism now, but 3rd wave feminism really started ramping up in the 90's hard. But people will tend to act like the 90's didn't do that stuff because it was subtler than today and not quite as obnoxious.

[@pnyhmsmx]

Oh shit, a KKK joke. I never heard of this show before. Ready or not

[@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778]

@@MALICEM12 Yeah and there was a big push back to it too back then.

[@DoctorPhileasFragg]

@@MALICEM12 They act like it wasn't happening because they didn't notice it?

[@MALICEM12]

@@jurassicarkjordanisgreat1778 some what but not as big and was mostly by the older more conservative types while the youth said "what's the big deal" with an arm shrug. But it's easier to ignore things in better times. In the 90's most still had fun lives and plenty of money. Now they don't and people saying "this is where things went wrong" don't just seem like nutjobs. Furthermore, it shows that mere limp wristed backlash isn't enough. The 90's culture change won just as the 60's culture change did. Complaining about GI Jane didn't stop anything.

[@FxCalibur]

The Guilty Gear one about Trans activists forcing the lore and character to go their way is so true. Its not about the community, its about power and that's why Astolofo destroys them.

[@jormilos]

Chadstolfo. In canon openly admits to being with many women in life, and just happens to like cute clothes (some of which were gifts from Roland, another of Charlemagne's paladins, who has a tendency to lose sanity and randomly go streaking). Also in canon, absolutely nuts. His in-game bio frequently remind the player that he's not all there and has a personal skill called Evaporation of Sanity. He's a great character. Type-moon tends to keep their characters incredibly consistent, to the point of being almost ridiculously flanderized for their more light-hearted content. The Trans activists will never get Astolfo. He's written way to deep by this point and almost every instance of Astolfo showing up in new content tends to solidify it further

[@crimsonpotemkin]

idk if you're talking about Bridget or Testament. But in Bridget's case it's really fucked up when you know the character's entire story and lore. Ally or not, nobody should be accepting this change based off the background alone.

[@jormilos]

@@crimsonpotemkin even in Testament's case their background is kinda fucked up. They're genderless (not non-binary, just straight genderless) because their body was experimented on and made into a Gear. Testament isn't even human anymore. The only thing I don't remember about that particular background element was if the experiments were while they were alive or if they were dead and revived as a gear. In either case it's pretty fucked up. One just worse than the other.

[@danmann861]

Man, that Sargon clip at the end never gets old! 😂 Good work as always, Dev.

[@Butteredthanatoast]

It's the first time I've seen it. What's it from? Hilarious though.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

sargon vs thomas at mythcon 2017

[@SkidMan_Jurej]

White supremacist with a guilty conscience Been a while since I heard that one

[@Butteredthanatoast]

@@ShortFatOtaku is it worth watching?

[@danmann861]

@@Butteredthanatoast I would say it’s worth watching for a laugh, but to be fair, I don’t think it’s much of a debate considering they mostly talk over one another instead of actually debating. It’s very clear Thomas wasn’t interested in having a discussion. Still, it is amusing nonetheless. And the “white supremacist with a guilty conscience” line is fucking hilarious to this day.

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

Yeah, but how’s that dwarf in the rings of power black? The dwarves societies are in caves, right? Wouldn’t they all be white as a ghost?

[@samueltitone5683]

There’s also the hornets nest of where all the black people went between Rings of Power and the Lord of the Rings.

[@vivecthepoet36]

If anything they'd look better if they were all greyish.

[@scienceface8884]

It's not like Tolkien's dwarves were the result of evolutionary pressure. They were crafted by Aulë, right? I'm not watching the damn show, but this reasoning isn't as solid as you think.

[@scienceface8884]

@@abdellahsbaa3751 Do you have a quote to back that up? I'm just going by what I've read in fan wikis, which says that he jumped the gun and made them in secret with an unclear understanding of what men and elves were meant to be like, thus shaping them with characteristics that he values, mentally and physically.

[@FarelForever]

"If you hate this representation, then you are not truly gay!" Me: Not quite... I am gay second... nerdy fan first!

[@100organicfreshmemes5]

"Truly gay" in their minds means putting your sexuality at the forefront of your identity and revolving your life around it.

[@thagomizer8485]

Can you imagine is someone said "the Pakistani population has decreased by 600,000 while the white immigrants population has increased by 600%. So in other words, yes lads, we're winning!"?

[@vaclavjebavy5118]

Holy mother of based

[@HaloJaxed]

Deus Vult!

[@KT-pv3kl]

This is literally what they hear whenever trump makes any Kind of public statement in their deranged minds

[@ma_na_gurab]

Sorry dear sirs,we will be populating the world. Thank you,come again!!

[@kielbasamage]

*Richard the Lionheart smirks slightly*

[@guyderagisch4964]

The Sargon bit at the end, someone's own hubris had Sargon, an atheist, invoking Jesus' name. Progs need to look at themselves

[@npcimknot958]

that's the reaction I had too. jfc.. sorry.. but jfc..

[@GURGLEGUY12345]

I think Carl's slowly becoming..."Christpilled," shall we call it?

[@avroarchitect1793]

@@GURGLEGUY12345 indeed he is also slowly adopting the very things he used to so criticize vehemently. Almost like tradition is solution for problems long forgotten, which rear their ugly heads when it is abandoned again.

[@bongwatercrocodile315]

@@GURGLEGUY12345 im half expecting him to get a "christian awakening" to appease his current audience. Looking how lotus eaters covers things and the comment section when they started vs now i'm getting a strong feeling of audience capture.

[@voskresenie-]

wow, it made an atheist 'invoke' Jesus's name? as if that's difficult to do? Atheists are the primary ones who swear with Jesus's name.

[@WwZa7]

Writer: "He had a tanned skin..." Netflix: WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE TAHT DOWN!

[@Sevenizer1]

As someone who wants to be an author of fantasy and fiction, I’m of the mindset that it is better not to do representation at all if it comes at the cost of writing good characters. The tendency also for the activists to assimilate fictional characters into their own headcanons and demand them to be canon, like the Bridget situation, also makes me somewhat scared to write men who share a brotherly bond with each other. The need to turn dudes who have a brotherly bond into gay men when the intention was never present has hurt the idea of men being able to have such bonds with each other. I will still create male characters with these kinds of bonds, as I believe platonic companionship as brothers between men is an important component of the healthy psyche of a man, but the twisting of that idea into something it was never meant to be is still something I am concerned about.

[@IceQueen975]

I'm in the same boat. I've decided ahead of time that, should it get that bad, I WILL make an official statement and tell them to stay mad and stop making up gay porn to fap to via my characters because they have a fetish.

[@crakhaed]

It's sad, and frustrating, but you can't really stop people from interpreting and re-interpreting your works once you let them out into the wild. It contributes to a lot of my own hesitancy to create things, out of fear I'll/they'll be misunderstood and maligned. There's Death of the Author, no Death of the Audience however. Lol that'd be interesting

[@Andiatus]

I think there's merit to adding diversity to a story, especially if your main goal is writing a good story, because it can help you push outside of your comfort zone and look to explore cultures and experiences foreign to your own, with the purpose of making sure those characters are nuanced, written well and presented accurately in your own story and proving it can be done right. This can lead to you learning a lot of new things to apply to your work in the future, while also creating slightly more wide appeal to your story. If you're clear and concise about your intent, then how other people interpret your work should matter to you as much/little as fan fiction involving your characters and setting: just harmless fun, as long as no one is aggressive or rude about it. You will still continue to write your characters how you see fit and if you ever do take inspiration from other people's interpretations and alter your characters, it should be due to your own volition and because it feels organic to you with how the story progresses.

[@WK-47]

Take it from a fellow writer: never compromise storytelling and creating art in general for ideological reasons, regardless of the ideology. Your dignity and creative autonomy are worth more than pandering to the mob. Even if you do so, it'll never be enough - give an inch, and they'll take a mile, move the goalposts, etc. Anyone with feedback solely consisting of how you need to adapt your work to agree with their principles is not worth listening to and certainly not your friend. Plus, the more contemporary your work is, politically or otherwise, the faster it'll become dated. If you write freely and competently, characters and situations will naturally become diverse within the parameters of the fictional setting. (Point being, for instance, most fantasy worlds lack high-speed mass transit that allow people to migrate quickly and en masse as in our world today, thus true cosmopolitan societies are implausible. It's for this reason blacks exist in Middle-earth but aren't seen often if at all in Tolkien's work.) Even if a character's identity is relevant to the narrative, simply having an identity isn't a character arc. How that identity shifts or influences how the char behaves and responds to challenges - that's the basis of an arc, and notice how it doesn't require the char to be a member of an "oppressed" group. What the progs have become blind to is that good stories say something about the human condition, which is why they're universal - whatever identities or social issues are involved are just flavouring in comparison. tl;dr: Stay true to yourself and your craft, no matter what. If that means upsetting ideologues, well, they're there for political reasons, not for the love of fiction and fantasy. Let them be miserable and miss out on an exciting new world.

[@xihe211]

I don't understand the need for skin deep representation. As an anime fan, the only representation I got as an American was the cocky foreigner who'd get beat by the MC. But I never identified with that. I am a Hispanic white kid who's mom crossed the border illegally and had me in New York where I grew up in the Bronx until my teen years. Still, I identified more with the Japanese MCs in many anime; Koyomi Araragi, Gintoki Sakata, Lelouch Vi Britania (yes I'm a genius), Monkey D. Luffy, etc etc.

[@vla1ne]

this. it's all well and good to want to see your "self" on the screen, but if the only thing that you can relate/empathize with is the race of a character, then you're clearly missing the plot story (or the story is just trash). chika the from daughter of twenty faces, ed (and the whole crew really) of FMA, myne from bookworm, ect, are some of my favorite characters of all time, and it's not because of their race/gender, most characters i like look nothing like me. it's because they are written as actual *people* first, and diversity quotas second.

[@DeBean970]

I like how you identify with Lelouch since he's a genius and then listed Luffy right after.

[@DiceOL]

>Koyomi Araragi My man, I hope you don't have sisters.

[@are_you_f_serious]

As a German; You forgot "Everyone hates Chris" - I don't know how it was seen over there, but here it was received as great. It was one of my favourite shows as a kid. 😁 I mean, Chris as the only Black kid at an Italian School, his only friend was white, his white teacher with the racism, the jokes about police or that it would be good for a black men to have a white woman or the other way around, the struggles black have to live with like the food stamps, the racism from Blacks against Blacks, Italians against blacks, white against Italiens, asian against Black, asians against white, white against asians. His brother that liked the Asian culture and so on. It learned me that Racism isn't a thing for one race. Racism is a thing of Personality. - And hell yeah, the 90's handled Racism so much better than every show today. I learned so much how it would be for them. Maybe thats the reason why i'm not racist. Humor is the best way for everything. - It was great, Terry Crews and Chris Rock as Narrator. It was so f... hilarious. I even run home after school just to watch that from the beginning. I didn't want to miss one second of it. 🤔 - I don't want to think about how kids which grow up with the modern stuff will be as adults. 😔

[@limabarreto911]

It is one of the most classics sitcoms in Brazil.

[@are_you_f_serious]

@Gage King You too? That's great. :) - But men, it wasn't popular, for real? What a shame! It's absolutely underrated! - We, in germany have a free streaming service which shows every single episode of it 24/7, I mean you can watch the old Doctor Who, every Southpark Episode, fresh prince, the old Star trek, every show from 90's you can imagine with just 2 minutes of Ads between them. - I just found it and it's bringing so many memories from my childhood back. I sooo f........... love it. 🤩

[@are_you_f_serious]

@@limabarreto911 In Germany too. O show é ótimo, não é? ☺️

[@are_you_f_serious]

@Gage King Yeah, the Problem is that it's completely German. If you don't understand German, you have nothing out of it. - It's called "PlutoTV", its completely free you just have to watch 2 minutes of Ads between any Episode. But hey, 2 minutes ads for a full 25 minutes Episode without any break? That's good with me. It's so much better than watch TV and have 7 minutes of Ads for 15 minutes of every Episode or to pay for it. - I switched a long time ago. Even Southpark .. 24/7 Southpark from the first season to the last one that's translated. And then repeat. 😁 You always see an Episode, no matter what you're watching, you don't even remember. It's the greatest German invention since the V2 Rocket. 🙈 Okay, yeah. Bad Joke. 😔

[@are_you_f_serious]

@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 Exactly, it is f* great. - That's maybe even an understatement. It's literally more than great. You can say, that this is one of the best show that ever existed. - It's shown a whole generation, why Racism isn't good and also that it isn't a thing of "White People" or even one race, it shows you that Racism is a problem of humanity! No matter where you're coming from. - People from everywhere are racist against people from everywhere. It's a human problem and not a problem of one specific.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Third Sister. Psychotic idiot whose 'redeeming' moment was not killing a child in cold for the sins of their father. A father who wouldn't even know or care that some random died on a planet he hates. I really can't imagine why anyone would find her character distasteful

[@giiysutsputs]

I think the plot line with reeva was she had a long grudge to kill Vader. Yet, seeing her no brainer plans, she couldn't even kill the limp wrist obi wan.

[@papal1500]

I'm a 5'5 autistic, Italian, Jehovah's Witness. Where is my representation! Lol

[@Ithaca-vv5dy]

Lmao! I actually was a JW. Got disfellowshipped when I was 17. Best thing that ever happened to me

[@BigBangAttack-mt6pz]

@@Ithaca-vv5dy judging by your pfp you haven't exactly made the best life decisions you could of did you?

[@Butteredthanatoast]

@@BigBangAttack-mt6pz could be a horny dude though, tbf

[@noblegalifreyan4551]

Sorry but cultists have been represented

[@HereTakeAFlower]

Are you Italian form Italy?

[@Snakedude4life]

[No blacks] *Angey twitter noises* [🏳️‍⚧️Blacks only🏳️‍🌈] *Consuming Yelps and Hooting* 🎩 🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰

[@SkidMan_Jurej]

"tHiS iS wHaT TRUE DiVeRsItY LoOkS LiKe!"

[@ulaznar]

@@SkidMan_Jurej High Guardian Spice writing staff being simultaneously diverse and 100% female

[@AntonioCunningham]

Honesty by the time I started watching TV, I didn't care about "diversity" . The vast majority of the shows I watched had aliens, was color blind or just too different from reality that I didn't care. (Mostly anime) Nowadays, when I see diversity, its sadly SJW crap that takes me out of the experience and drive me back to rewatching shows I grew up with. For some reason people no longer want to create shows with a diverse cast that *don't have SJW crap in it* Here's an example of what I mean: Into the spider verse was a good movie, but it still had anti white crap in it that pulled me out of the experience. It's okay to have diverse characters *and* not crap on white characters.

[@TheKeksadler]

I feel like I can't enjoy a lot of new media anymore because of all the anti-white rhetoric.

[@Ronnie.Raymond]

@@TheKeksadler What anti-white rhetoric are we talking about?

[@robinthrush9672]

@@Ronnie.Raymond

[@redman9493]

I get what you mean, but I don't remember any anti-white rhetoric in Spider-verse. Miles Morales's hero and mentor was a white guy after all and that never seemed to be an issue.

[@robinthrush9672]

@@redman9493 I think it's the fact that the mentor was the loser, out of shape version of Spider-Man.

[@jerodak6462]

You know what else I liked about the Racism episode from Static Shock? They did it once. Just once, then moved on. If the series had been made nowadays we'd probably have some main cast rascist character that needs to show us how rascist he is every episode, so we can be reminded for the billionth time that rascism is bad. I watched that show when I was younger, it was a good show. I really miss when Saturday morning cartoons were fun to watch.

[@A-D-D-F_Toxic]

I only started watching Star Trek rather recently, it never even occurred to me that Lt. Uhura is a black character in 1967. She fits so well as simply a member of the crew.

[@talltroll7092]

Yeah, that's exactly the point, isn't it? Uhura was not a "BLACK CHARACTER", she was a character... who happened to be black, but the colour of her skin was the least interesting thing about her

[@A-D-D-F_Toxic]

@@talltroll7092 exactly

[@Skyewars]

"They don't want disabled people to stand on their own two feet." I see what you did there

[@6t76t]

"Babe, wake up! Short Fat Otaku just uploaded a new video!!"

[@ShortFatOtaku]

hahahah

[@galahad3195]

There are two kids of "diversity" in my story: 1) Natural diversity, where people's ethnicity accurately maps onto migration patterns, demographics, and projected trends and 2) Petty diversity, where I do things purely out of spite for Disney and woke idiots. "Hey Disney, remember how you threw out the budding romance between Finn and Rey because of *your* _actual_ racism while accusing everyone else of being racist for not liking your stuff? Yeah, my (literally) white female main character falls in love with a black man, and I have no problem explicitly stating that I did that just to give you the middle finger. I am by no means virtuous, but I am very, very petty."

[@SuperHalofan64]

One thing about the whole thing with Bridget that legitmately annoys me concerning hollow representation was that, for some reason, people gunning for Bridget to be trans either ignore or try to excuse the fact that he was a grooming victim a la his backstory, and if you had any problem with that implication, you're a transphobe, even if you're trans. And it wasnt it just the usual crazies that were pushing it. Even people like Lilith thought that having Bridget be trans was a good thing, instead of giving legit transphobic assholes more ammunition. It reminds me of the whole bs with the lgbt community stanning for Pennywise and the Babadook as a gay couple, despite both being literal monsters that harm or kill people.

[@keeganhooker8448]

Just point out that they support grooming if they believe Bridget is trans, if they believe that he’s trans than they would need to support why he became that way. Even people who passively believe that just make sure they know that because it may get them to think a little

[@fredrick8958]

An Influencer's life is dependent on Twitter and Reddit. They are either too stupid to realize the implications, too scared to stand up because they could get cancelled by their viewers and even their influencer friends or too delusional that they believe in this crap. They decided they were gonna play twitters game and now they pay the consequences.

[@danielutriabrooks477]

I wouldn't say that Lilith isn't one of the usual crazies

[@SuperHalofan64]

@@danielutriabrooks477 I know she isnt, the point was that even people who arent crazies like Lilith think it was a good idea.

[@Nightman221k]

The Babadook thing came as a meme cause Netflix inexplicably put the movie in their LGBT films section so people were like, “the babadook is queer!” But I do get where you’re coming from.

[@adan3956]

that bridget issue is too funny, a 'bridget fan' once said the word 'trap' is extremely harmful to femboys, immediately exposes her as a poser

[@bobroberts2581]

I want to know when we start seeing representation of women like Marka Bodine or Colleen Hermesmann and what happens to their victims. Spoilers: Colleen was rewarded child support from hers. Let’s get the representation of female perpetrators and male victims stuck paying child support, or male victims waking up from nightmares of their violators going to the police to say the situation was actually reversed. Or male victims hearing through the grape vine that 2 months after their violation the woman had an aborthing. Probably won’t get those bits of reality represented though. Don’t want young boys realizing they need to be careful around women.

[@terradraca]

And you see once again, one of the prime problems with politics: Revolutions can't ever be allowed to end.

[@613harbinger316]

Yup. Look at the Civil Rights movement from the 60s. There was genuine strength and power when they all stood together and they accomplished a lot. But afterward, those who wanted to keep that power had to maintain the monolithic mindset, or find another job. So instead of letting Black Americans go their own way as individuals, they had to emphasize how racist America is to keep the masses huddled together in fear and make sure anyone who left the plantation was stigmatized and excommunicated. Politics of Power 101.

[@nationalsocialist6590]

They'll end when we reach utopia or something?

[@terradraca]

@@nationalsocialist6590 Which doesn’t exist

[@613harbinger316]

@@terradraca Which is the point. Eternal revolution means you never have to face the failures of your ideology. Never have to question your moral superiority. Just do it right the next time.

[@iagoofdraiggwyn98]

It was the most honest thing that comes from Marxism.

[@nu--13]

In the name of diversity- Please have this job without earning it UwU

[@AmaryInkawult]

That is such a depressing mindset to have, no time to yourself but to have every moment of your life dedicated to politics. These people are no different than the overzealous Christian family members they hate so much.

[@AmaryInkawult]

@@zogwort1522 maybe I should create a high school themed tabletop LARP just to recontain this ancient evil then. They'll be right at home considering how cliquey these jackasses get.

[@lisapop5219]

🤣 that guy was so confused when sargon called him a white supremacist with a guilty conscience 🤣 I had forgotten about that

[@Sly_404]

Lorde's quote always brings me back to the opening words of a textbook called "Race, class and gender" which is used in all sorts of cultural/womens/social study courses in universities: "Objectivity, as found through rational thought, is a western and masculine concept that we will challenge throughout this text".

[@InfamyOrDeath-__-]

I just can’t wait until all this madness around gender & race ends, because these people are all completely out of their minds and it’s so difficult to listen to them.

[@animeking1357]

Bold of you to assume it will end.

[@donborjuto7321]

@@animeking1357 This ain't gonna be eternal, thinking otherwise is being paranoid

[@PrincessTidge]

I sleep well knowing that my existence offends the progs 😏

[@Garrus1995]

That anecdote of Velaryon’s daughter being frightened by a Black man reminds me of something from my own life. My dad (who was born in 1961) was born and spent the first decade or so of his life in Terceira, a small island that’s part of the Portuguese Azores. Growing up, he only ever saw people that looked like him. The first time he saw a Black man, he ran away because he thought he was some supernatural creature (he apparently saw the guy outside a cemetery). I always thought that story was kind of funny.

[@colticide]

I've been saying this recently, you can tell they dont care about good characters that are lgbt because they dont give two shits about Kaine or Emile from Nier. However if 2B was androgynous but just as popular they would be fighting tooth and nail for her!

[@EL-Nope]

I keep saying if representation is so important why don't the ones begging for it just make their own shows and movies? Clearly there's demand for it. Hate him or not, Tyler Perry has been doing very well with Black led films and plays

[@animeking1357]

The problem with that is lot's of these people have little to no talent or skill and thus do not have the ability or motivation to make their own series. They cannot create, only consume.

[@TheSaltedGawd]

I think the Static Shock episode was more impactful and accepted because it handled the issue in a way that anyone watching could get the message without having to dump on anyone to do so or infantilize the audience. It also does so in a more realistic manner that anyone would find relatable. It also manages to do so without breaking the immersion. "When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all" - God(?) Futurama

[@live4hockey2]

On a bit of a sidetrack, I love hockey and the NHL. Have been playing, watching, and engaging in the sport since I was 6 years old. In the last three years or so I've seen this very open and blatant push by the NHL to promote the LGBT community under the banner of "Hockey is for everyone". In which I agree, hockey is a sport and sports are for everyone. I've played on teams with men, women, Asians, Latinos, and I'm sure a gay guy or two. Nobody in my 25+ years playing did I ever see anyone blatantly discriminated against for any reason. We were there to play hockey and have fun. Now the NHL is making players wear rainbow sweaters, rainbow stick tape, attend pride parades, push for certain "Heritage Nights" such as BIPOC Heritage nights and whatnot. When I speak out about it on social media, I'm usually bombarded by SJWs who don't know a clothes line from a blue line saying I'm some sort of ism or phobe. They don't see that this is just more woke marketing to attract the wrong kind of audience. These people don't love hockey, they love being made to feel special in the most superficial way possible.

[@The6thMessenger]

I think that it's just a logical conclusion of representation, not the devolution of it. Representation is sadly the result of narcissistic people who can't -- or does not want to see anything other than themselves. Representation works on generalization for quickly identifying a group people, and with it the devaluation of the individual for being identified only with his identity group. As a result, you cannot portray a character as a character, with his own life and in tunnel vision with his own experiences, and most importantly real flaws and hang-ups with context, -- no, that would be racist/sexist/homophonic/transphobic -- all of the -ists and the -phobes. Consider something like the Q-Force, of course they have to portray basically caricatures of gay people, being extremely queer and gay because that is the quickest and simplest way they could do it -- as the most blatant "look at me, I'm gay". Of course they have to portray mary-sues in progressive shows, else that would say that women are weak -- nevermind that weakness must come before strength to feel earned as they overcome their weakness.

[@pianostudentsemper]

when I was a leftie, I backlashed at the idea that liberals were the new instantiation of white supremacy and racism. I even took heavy amounts of copium at the political history of the democrats. As time has passed, and I inevitably grew more center, that thought has grown more real in my head.

[@AmaryInkawult]

Congratulations Dev, you reached the conclusion I did about a couple of weeks ago and the conclusion Sargon did years back.

[@guillermoelnino]

I reached the same conclusion decades ago

[@legojangofett1088]

8:20 holy shit the difference is almost funny. The first clip is shocking and shows that racism is hurtful and hateful, meanwhile the second one puts NO legwork into showing that

[@Ryzeex.]

I really enjoyed the Fire and Blood books, and I find it very funny that they specifically chose to make the Seasnake black... like the Targaryen's and Velaryons have regular intermarried and have lots of shared ancestry. But suddenly Corlys is black and his kids are mixed 😂😂

[@blowfish1702]

Exactly, they picked one of the worst possible characters to raceswap, he even has multiple scenes in which he references the purity of his Valyrian blood - it's absolutely in your face. Meanwhile Joffrey's blonde hair was enough evidence to cause a civil war.

[@vivecthepoet36]

Black, but with Valyrian hair. Wtf, right?

[@Ryzeex.]

@@vivecthepoet36 Yeah, Valyrian colouring... but it's dreadlocks lol

[@WrathDrago]

Exactly I said this to someone who was saying me and others were being racist. So I said how do you explain Jaehaerys and his siblings whose mother was Velaryon. Aneys married his cousin who was Velaryon. Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters, their mother was Velaryon. Got no answer from them. Its incredibly immersion breaking and messes with future parentage later in the story.

[@samuelsafin6564]

@@vivecthepoet36 Besides, we actually know what a person descended from Summer Islanders (blacks) and Targaryens would probably look like - they would take after their SI heritage a lot more. Aegon IV had as his fourth paramour an SI courtesan, and the three kids she birthed during her time with him are said to have been of "disputable heritage" - clearly, they lacked any definitively distinguishing Valyrian features.

[@gregutz4284]

When are "they" going to realize, the most diverse unit possible is an individual?

[@Larry]

in the 1970's Hanna Barbera wanted to make a spin off of the Flintstones called the Blackstones (The Flintstones neighbors in the other house next to them), Not sure if it got any further than artwork as no network wanted to pick it up.

[@darthgamer9861]

this news makes me feel an emotion that has no word to describe it

[@fredrick8958]

Thank you Dev, your videos have really put into words the things that I've been thinking about the last few years and all the frustations I have not just with media but with politics and current issues as a whole. I hope you keep up doing great videos and I also hope more people share your videos because what you are saying needs to be heard. God bless you and hope you have a wonderful day!

[@zachryder3150]

"Passive progressives" - RedLetterMedia

[@vivecthepoet36]

Lmao I guess they forgot Lando, Mace Windu, Captain Panaka, Finn, etc existed

[@samueltitone5683]

Maybe they watched the Chinese versions where Finn was removed from the posters.

[@alecstewart2612]

Thank you for sharing that Static Shock clip! The show is a great example of something that already existed that did representation _well_ and creating a likeable non-white main character.

[@ZerberusKnight]

"don't be racist" The problem is now solved, next!

[@jordyshep6725]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Thomas Sowell explain that if a student from a difficult background gets accepted into a university solely based on diversifying the student body, they will ultimately fail because they can’t compete with other students who have been brought up for that specific university (or something to this effect)

[@BJRoes]

Orwellian Positive Discrimination

[@lordchrispo1439]

I had to check out on a fanfiction site, most Guilty Gear fictions about Bridget had turned him into a trans woman, and some of them even had it as a tag that they have never played the game

[@keeganhooker8448]

I’m gonna always point out now that these people support grooming, because if that’s what they want to believe, and since he was groomed to be that way, and naturally they would have to support how he became trans, so they then naturally have to support grooming. This is a large reason I no longer acknowledge in guilty gear content creators anymore.

[@Santoryu90]

In the lore I wouldn’t really call it grooming since it was more out of protection for Bridget because of the villages superstition. I doubt grooming was the intention.

[@lordchrispo1439]

@@Santoryu90 It is still grooming even if you are trying to do with the best of intentions.

[@nova_supreme8390]

The progressive folx are distracted by combination of bright colors and certain geometrical parterns so we can by ourselves some time by waving this flag in front of their faces. It will take while before they catch up with the ruse.

[@-TriP-]

Bill Cosby's conviction was overturned, you know.

[@lorblauh]

On a technicality. He literally admitted what he did. Don't stan Cosby.

[@lorblauh]

@@brentlolacher3000 Not how I feel at all. Guilty in thes eyes of the state and actually guilty of the deed are two completely different things. Just look at OJ. Cosby drugged woman and raped them, he said as much himself. I'm not going to pretend he's a good guy.

[@Bendilin]

Dev makes a flippant comment about bisexuality and I double took. But then I considered WHY I had the double take, and caught myself riling myself up before actually getting upset. Bisexual erasure is a real thing but Dev's comment isn't an attack on bisexuality, even though I knee-jerk felt it was. I wish more people could... catch themselves reading too far into things like I (sometimes but not always) try to.

[@animeking1357]

What was the comment again?

[@Bendilin]

@@animeking1357 That straight white cis males can claim to be bisexual because they experimented sucking a classmate's peenor in school once. But it was silly of me to read into it as much as I did in a knee-jerk reaction.

[@Jeremy-yp8eh]

99% of leftoid channels talk about pop-culture as if we still live in the goddam 50's

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

I just want enjoyable stuff, I don't care for representation and whatnot these days.

[@sevenducks1639]

I’m pretty left wing and I agree with this too lol. It’s so stupid how people will change an entire show/book’s world building (Rings of Power/GoT) or a character’s backstory/character arc (Annabeth Chase) to fit a representation quota. Even worse when it’s a character you grew up with

[@genoshatterer]

As an MtF I still can't wrap my head around how a femenine man is offensive to "my identity." I didn't "choose" to be transgender, and I certainty didn't go through this as some political statement. I did it, cause I have to. They do what they want to do, I do what I do...what they do doesn't effect me. It must take an amazing feet of mental gymnastics to think someone else expressing themselves in a basic, non aggressive, non violent way somehow is a net negative to your ability to express yourself or your life.

[@drinkyourtea]

Wait is that the parasite eve soundtrack in the back?

[@ShortFatOtaku]

always has been

[@djinsanity3575]

When you showed static shock it was more than enough to explain the good way for showing your subject manner

[@Muzzle1300]

Something I thought of that makes the “representation” even more malicious is the people hiring like Disney most likely still follow the hiring based on merit but have the quota to have a minority of some kind, the person hired most likely won’t be hired based on merit and is someone who ideologically believes the same thing because any self respecting person who hears they’re only got the job because of the skin color would likely find it insulting and leave, because of this the studio/director will purposely make the role that person plays the worst one. I don’t doubt for a second they read the script and think “this reads like shit” so to account for this they place the diversity hire in that role to be their meat shield. Take Reva for an example and see how before the show was released began defending her and making a narrative, when the fault should be placed on the writers for not making a good character and now even more at fault for throwing the actor under the bus.

[@andy2172]

Another great video Dev. You really succinctly break down the current Western progressive obsession with representation at all costs and faux oppression. You should have many more subs than you currently do, thanks for your brave analysis.

[@tonywade7473]

it will always make me chuckle when journalists say nerds are racists takeing the star trek thing in consideration.

[@Sound557]

Still waiting on that deep dive into the NDP, Dev

[@TheRevengeSociety]

Great video as always, dev.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

No, representation doesn't matter, and never has. The idea that we can't relate to and aspire to be like people who don't share our skin colour is asinine, surface-level, and unironically racist. Especially kids, who don't give a fuck about skin colour. The idea that they can't relate to or aspire to be like a character who doesn't have the same level of melanin in their skin is nonsensical. C'mon, Dev.

[@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051]

You did not watch the entire video did you?

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

@@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 I made the comment early in the video. Nothing he said afterwards has made any difference.

[@aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051]

@@KaNoMikoProductions You are probrably a homophobe racist man that acts like he is not one.

[@littlemisseevee2309]

the show shown before the steven universe thing, its been so long since I saw anything from that show, damn I wish I knew its name cuz I liked watching it edit: oh god I forgot about the trans egg shit, those people are so awful, and ironically by denying the existence of femboys, they deny the existence of more masculine presenting trans women as well, because if the only way you can be trans is to be stereotypically feminine then it implies that tomboy trans cant exist

[@Blahblahblah28504]

The whole "egg cracking" shit is straight up grooming. I don't know why they're so hellbent on erasing tomboys and femboys anyways.

[@littlemisseevee2309]

@@Blahblahblah28504 because they want to justify their meaningless existence ig

[@Polomance862]

It shocks me that the cartoons I watched when I was a kid didn't treat me like I wasn't able to understand racism. Static Shock's episode reminded me of several that presented believable racist encounters that people would encounter. They didn't need to beat it over the head; rather provide an empathetic scenario that people could experience. Whereas nowdays we get advertisements on Cartoon Network just beating you over the head with it. Or presenting scenarios so freaking bizarre and uncouth; you can tell these people never actually experienced racism in reality.

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

8:21 Static Shock did a far better job at advancing equality than the garbage that Resident Evil was. Static Shock was REAL. We all felt it somewhere in life, was relatable and had our Vergil in life. It was good story telling that featured relatable issues that students/kids go through during that age. The one involving bullying cut-deep.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Right on. This video is so accurate. These people still think we're in the 60s, and act like all representation is good representation, and that if you don't agree, you're the enemy. It's absolutely disgusting. Also, that Steven Universe clip is a parody. It's not a genuine commentary on racism.

[@CamembertRun]

UK based here, I can imagine at this very moment Enoch Powell howling with laughter in his grave at that 'we're winning' video😆

[@zenou-samaIV]

By some commie trash. Looking like a burnt chapati.

[@marusgoren9977]

Sapkowski '' Geralt couldnt tell apart Fringila and Yennefer he even mistaken them one for the other once'' Netflix Yes They are defiFeNTy;lY ThE SaAmE

[@prosoblue647]

Most people these days don’t understand that there is a difference between diversity and inclusion. Inclusion is a lot like what’s happening now with Marvel, woke activists trying to include as many minorities as possible in a soulless attempt to make something for everybody (which usually ends in making something for nobody), while actual Diversity is a lot more like the black sitcoms mentioned in this video, those shows were made so that Black families could have their own media separate from the white sitcoms (Jordan Peele’s films are another example of this since the message of those films are meant for African Americans to hear, not everybody). There is a video by KZbinr JustTheFacts that does a lot better job of explaining this than I can so I would recommend checking that out.

[@prosoblue647]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJSnnJ2viJx9d8U The video in question.

[@distance7721]

Now that's not true, Dev: no one's arguing that minorities and women should be at the forefront of menial, back-breaking labor or sanitation jobs

[@tashacooper1753]

Exactly as an indigenous person I have never had the best representation just going do the best to not be an alcoholic