Shot down! Additional Data Azerbaijan Airlines 12/26/24

[@pastorjerrykliner3162]

A fine display of airmanship. They flew that thing until they couldn't anymore and saved half of their passengers. These pilots are heroes.

[@captainbligh3894]

Very well said sir . Bless them , gives me shivers to observe how courages they were .

[@VladimirPutin-p3t]

​@@captainbligh3894it's so much worse knowing this is all because Russians have an insatiable need to cause pain and hardship on everyone around them. It's sick

[@Matt.Thompson.1976]

Absolutely.

[@somealias-zs1bw]

Captain Igor Kshnyakin, first officer Aleksandr Kalyaninov

[@thurin84]

@@somealias-zs1bw thank you for sharing the heros names. share them far and wide my friend.

[@maryl923]

It is just impossible to get those pilots' courage out of my head. How hard they tried, with a doomed aircraft! It makes my heart sick.

[@gordongott127]

Absolutely 💯

[@Dazza-u4c]

Self preservation will do that.

[@Medionxtr]

did the pilots survive ?

[@richardjones2811]

Well they were trying to save their own lives too you know.

[@coldsamon]

​@@Medionxtr No.

[@alayneperrott9693]

What heroic - and skilled - pilots! A tribute to Embraer's engineering, too.

[@HappyQuailsLC]

Yes. But you hear nothing about how they didn't let them land at the closest Russian airport but rather ~450mi away and they routed them out over the Caspian Sea!

[@malekodesouza7255]

@@HappyQuailsLCi imagine the Russians were hoping they went down in the sea.

[@thejerrycz]

​@@HappyQuailsLChoping that evidence will sunk in the sea

[@yonmusak]

Without GPS, because they spoofed it!

[@zubenelgenubi]

The weapon used performed as intended, but the individual or entity which fired that weapon was extremely irresponsible, and murdered those who perished in that aircraft!!

[@ashleymessenger4758]

We started experimenting with full hydraulic loss in the CRJ sims after United 232, to see if it was possible. With fuselage mounted engines, directional control was very difficult. The electric stabilizer trim gave pretty good pitch control, with a flaps 20 approach, the deck angle at touchdown was about level. Problem came in with having no lift dumping, so the airplane would skip airborne on landing, and the stab trim wasn't fast enough to control the pitch. The only way we got it to work was to turn the 3 system pumps off to save some of the fluid, then turn them on at touchdown, using the last of the fluid to deploy the GLDs. Took hours of practice to become successful, then only with no crosswind. This crew, having to work all this out on the fly, did a remarkable job for as long as they could. I just wish they hadn't been forced into that position.

[@steveperreira5850]

Good work figuring that out, save hydraulic fluid until you really need it at the last moment. Very smart

[@esphilee]

Every airline pilot be put through the simulator for this kind of simulation. Boeing and Airbus should develop the fly-by-wire system to provide minimum control using engine trust, at least the plane can belly land.

[@LaggerSVK]

From my understanding they flew for some duration on the leaking hydraulic using control surfaces. However i cant think how would they come up with that while it works to switch to super damgerous Diff thrust control to save hydraulic fluid. I guess there are no checklist fir this situation.

[@allangibson8494]

Hydraulic fuses have been added to some aircraft to isolate leaking hydraulic circuits. Some B737 models have them as did the L1101.

[@kikiryki]

How did they manage to activate the landing gear without a functional hydraulic system ??

[@TheImpeca]

In the last announcements senior flight attendant was calming the passengers before just before landing. " Please remain seated, standing up is dangerous. Fasten your seatbelts. Do not worry, position yourselves according instructions. Everything is going to be good" In the interview passengers say that Ms. Hokuma was giving these announcements "till the explosion on landing" i only roghly translated maybe somebody will do better job in the future. I just wanted to tell that all crew members are heroes and that the azerbaijani people really appreciate what all of them did during that flight.

[@paulsherman51]

Amen

[@xedski]

Respect Ms. Hokuma. That's precisely what crew members are trained for. Safety procedures, including emergency management, are their primary objective and foremost purpose of staying on board. If one thinks they are to serve drinks, snacks, and in-flight merchandise, how little knowledge and respect for their work is there.

[@emilismaylov4722]

❤🇦🇿🙏

[@avalynnewilby8150]

The pilots did an exceptional job in keeping the plane in the air as long as they did.

[@Wannes_]

Absolutely, Flightradar24 has their oscillations in a graph, with +/- 8000 ft/min climbs and descents They did one hell of a job getting it over the Caspian Sea and near the airport - knowing it'd be nearly impossible to land

[@JamieWalker-pc6nd]

@@Wannes_the feeling they have knowing they cannot possibly survive but they can save passengers is insane. I’m no expert on civilian aviation but I should imagine that they have some type of escape contingency plan where they could have bailed on the aircraft after programming it to land and nobody would have been any the wiser or have judged them. I am just guessing but, the possibility that this could have happened but they chose to go down with their craft and try save passengers is to me, beautiful. Tragic, sad and beautiful

[@Wannes_]

@@JamieWalker-pc6nd There is no escape option for anyone on a commercial airliner There also is no "programming it to land" for this kind of situation They almost got the plane on the runway No autopilot will pull this off

[@h2835]

@@Wannes_ Actually, we had the technology since the 80s to safely fly an airliner with the hydraulics turned off. NASA did it a few times in their test planes. It was developed (I think) after the UA232 crash in Sioux city. So for the last 30+ years we had software that could fly a fly-by-wire airliner with the hydraulic systems turned off. Hell, we even have so called "Flight controller software" that can be run on an Arduino board, and only uses engine power to maneuver an RC plane according to your inputs from the controller! It also has autopilot functions if needed, like GPS waypoint navigation. And all this runs in our toys on $15 boards, that are 1 by 3 inches in size, and use a single CR123A battery or 2 AA batteries to function for hours... Nobody can tell me, that this shit is impossible. The facts are simple: Equipment manufacturers will never include any safety feature unless it is required by law...

[@jamesphillips2285]

@@JamieWalker-pc6nd In the UA232 crash the pilots survived because the cockpit detached from the wreckage. So death was not certain. About the same number of survivors in the previous crash too.

[@justinbatt3191]

That crew did an amazing job staying in the sky. 29 survived. God bless the victims and their families ❤

[@smilingjack7622]

Isnt your imaginary deity responsible for everything? oops. Sorry thats right with moron christians. putt goes in. praise jebus. putt misses. nothing to see here. Move along.

[@Youtuber-k2p]

If there was a god then no one would have died.

[@gbedmonds1594]

Can We just take a minute to express the absolute hero, the heroism of these two pilots. That they got it over land that they got it on the ground that they saved almost half of the people on board. I cry as I'm speaking. I'm just I'm stunned and amazed that these two brave pilots got this thing on the ground losing their lives in the process but saving enough of the plane that one, we could tell it was absolutely attacked by a missile and two that they saved lives in doing so. God bless them! God bless them so much! 🙏🙏🙏🇦🇿🇺🇸

[@frankfielder]

Other You tube channels did not report this as a missile strike. Kept trying to say a bird strike caused one of the engines to explode and that explained the shrapnel. Blancolirio had it correct from the beginning. Thank you Juan.

[@technicalfool]

Yeah that was crazy stuff. "Bird strike causing an engine to explode", meanwhile freely-circulating videos showing two very intact engines plus even a bird-damaged engine just doesn't explode like that, and even if it did it wouldn't cause damage like that. But hey, alt-fact post-truthers just gotta post-truth I guess.

[@kljljlklljlkj8925]

If like myself, you like this channel, then I highly recommend you check out these similar others, that I have found and watch frequently; they have covered this topic too:- Emil Cosman - Independent truth seeker from Romania, based in the U.S. BORZZIKMAN - Independent Truth Seeker. Sebastian Sas - English speaking gentleman from Romania. REDACTED - with Natali and Clayton Morris, is a concerted effort to save the truth, preserve information, and fight propaganda. Times Of India - News Channel DoubleDownNews

[@planesandbikes7353]

Juan got his info from a Ukrainian pilot Denys Davydov, whom is very active on youtube reporting on this war with Ukraine.

[@TheGospelQuartetParadise]

@frankfielder Some of those other channels got their coverage from the news reports, and you know how news is censored in that part of the world, especially since a lot of that area is involved in the tension and no one wants to risk getting on Putin's wrong side. Unless those were iron transformer birds Stevie Wonder could see that was a wrong assumption. May the souls of those lost find peace.

[@jeffbrooks8024]

Sorry guys their cover story doesn't fly. Bird strikes don't make holes in the fuselage like that. The similarity to the remains of MH17 is eerie

[@christopher88719]

Those pilots flew an impossibly crippled aircraft across the Caspian Sea, all the while the cabin crew did an amazing job of keeping the passengers calm, this flight crew kept fighting that plane all the way down and managed to save a lot of people's lives. This was essentially an all-hope-is-lost situation, these pilots pulled off an amazing feat of airmanship and bravery.

[@fraserwright9482]

I understand from the air crew that survived, they had shrapnel wounds mid flight. No GPS for the Pilots as Russia had jammed the area, that is why it popped up on flight radar. Try flying on a simulator with no hydraulics you are so stressed

[@Southwest_923WR]

Yes, and I just can't not imagine the reactions on up and down hope and terror in those moments for passengers and cabin crew! Jeese, this one HURTS!

[@uwekonnigsstaddt524]

@@fraserwright9482wait…the same Russia….that was supposed to be Russian disinformation in Hunter’s laptop?

[@sunshineflyer]

Yeah.

[@brentbeacham9691]

I wasn’t sure if this ac had a member of the cabin crew in the back. Now that I think about it there was an escape door so that had to have had a crew member by that door. They managed to open that door upside down. 😮😮

[@lawrencewang9048]

Those pilots didn’t know that on Christmas Day, 2024, they would be asked to become heroes at short notice. It was not the heroism which they desired, but one which they bravely chose in the spur of the moment. May their souls find rest along with everyone else who was taken on that day.

[@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke]

Amen

[@brunnnbrunnn]

Amen brotha

[@NicolaW72]

Amen.🙏

[@hb1338]

They did not choose to be heroes, they just tried to do their jobs as well as possible, which is arguably more heroic because there was no wish for glory, just a safe outcome.

[@576103]

For many years, as an Air Force C-141 and later C-5 pilot, I received annual simulator training in how to handle just such a situation. Believe it or not, with a bit of coaching it was possible to develop a technique to dampen out the phugoid and achieve controlled, level flight. Once that was done, minor throttle movements would allow one to enter a shallow climb or descent, and turn. It took a long time to get stable, but we were all able to get the airplane safely on the ground each time. It’s unfortunate that the airlines feel such training is a waste of time (which means money). If an airline pilot hasn’t had this sort of training, he may not have the slightest idea how to cope with this problem. These guys clearly did the best they could and my hat is off to them.

[@RasheedKhan-he6xx]

It is so valuable to read a comment from an actual pilot. Thank you. I have also read that after the United Airlines incident they did several simulator tests and while, as you say, it was just about possible to control the plane in flight, that control was lost every single time when the gear came down. The advice in the end was to attempt a belly landing. Did you experience anything similar? Also do you think aircraft design might be a factor? Military transport aircraft have very high torque turboprops positioned away from the fuselage (more yaw leverage) under high mounted wings and the aircraft are designed for their lifting capability. The Embraer is a slim jet with small engines mounted nearer to the fuselage, the whole designed for fuel and cost efficiency rather than performance.

[@6williamson]

I guess flying in the vicinity of Russia now requires training civilian aircraft in warfare defense maneuvers.

[@576103]

@@RasheedKhan-he6xx the C-141 and C-5 I flew were both four-engine jets with high mounted wings and T-tails. I don’t think the engine configuration makes any difference-it’s all a matter of airspeed. There is a certain speed, for a given weight, where the plane will fly level. This is often much higher than the normal landing speed. Putting out the gear adds drag so additional thirst must be added to compensate to keep the same airspeed. We were trained to lower the gear 30+ miles away from the airport we were aiming for. The subsequent power change would restart the phugoid until we were able to determine the correct power setting for the new configuration. We would then gently descend towards the runway, going substantially faster than normal. Just before landing we would give a big increase in power to raise the nose and reduce the descent rate, then once we touched down, use full reverse thrust and emergency braking to try to stop before running off the end of the runway. This training was developed following the United crash in Sioux City where they came up with this technique, literally on the fly. The pilot of that plane, Al Haines, actually came to the base where I was stationed and gave a presentation. It was truly inspirational.

[@tehdreamer]

​@@6williamsonYes unfortunately due to US proxy war in Ukraine it is dangerous to fly there as they send drone attacks near civilian plane paths.

[@devinthierault]

​@@RasheedKhan-he6xxyes that's exactly why. Wouldn't be surprised if one or both engines had issues too

[@alreaud]

Thanks for the update. RIP to all that was lost needlessly in this tragedy. I hope Azerbaijan has a national medal that can be bestowed on the pilots posthumously.

[@David_K_pi]

Thank you for your excellent, easy to understand explanations of the many aircraft incidents. I'm not a pilot myself, but I'm retired from FlightSafety, where I designed part of their flight simulators.

[@blancolirio]

Thanks David!

[@albertoserrano67]

As soon as the hydraulic lines were punctured, they had minutes before losing all control. Pilots should be hailed as heros for doing their best with all the variables.

[@john8451]

Minutes? Really? How come they flew on for an hour and a half then?

[@dzonikg]

@@john8451 By engine throttle

[@efflux89]

I’m shocked they kept it in the air with those balls of steel they were lugging around.

[@HongyaMa]

@@john8451 Not their 1st choice, Another question. Why the delay? Closer fields not available?

[@simashakeri95]

@@HongyaMa Allegedly Russia denied two landing requests and told them to go to cross the sea - but I've just heard rumours, not sure if it's been confirmed by a reputable source.

[@mikemicksun6469]

The pilots saved over 29 lives. They flew the plane as best they could and came close to saving everyone. Real hero’s.

[@frankgulla2335]

Thank you, Juan, for the latest update.

[@skittlesandfriends5710]

Those Pilots deserve all of the praise they can get, they never gave up on their crippled aircraft and did an incredible job getting the aircraft as far as they did,

[@Casualphilosopher-db9gy]

One of the pilots was very young, he was only working for one year and yet showed so much strength and skill. The investigation at this point has ruled the possibility of mistakes of pilots. They did everything they could and their actions allowed to save half of the plane. Along with the pilots, one stewardess died. The one whose voice people heard in that video from onboard. RIP

[@StreuB1]

Wow, the Azerbaijani government coming in clutch for their people. Also, not holding back about immediately blaming Russia, openly and publicly. "Captain Kshnyakin, First Officer Kalyaninov and chief flight attendant Aliyeva lost their lives in the crash landing. *Hailing them as heroes, the Azerbaijani government decided on Friday that the three victims would be buried with state honours."*

[@JamieWalker-pc6nd]

Those pilots were absolute legends. I watched live as they tried to land it. Knowing now that they flew for so long after being hit… for the passengers bless. For those pilots though, my ultimate respect 🫡

[@eddiehimself]

Juan, I wanted to say thanks for taking time out of your Christmas day to bring out a swift report on this crash. I also want to commemorate the pilots of this flight who, just like JAL 123 and United 232, were able to take an uncontrollable aircraft and make it a survivable incident.

[@38911bytefree]

They got less damage and the third engine in the tail working independetly plus one guy just doing the throttles and they where given choices while this crew only got NO as a response. Not saying that UAL232 is a brlliant display of airmanship, but this crew had even a smaller window to deliver a miracle, and I think they delivered.

[@atinwoodsman]

Pilots did an incredible job keeping this up as long as they did. There's no doubt, it was struck by air defense.

[@qwerty112311]

Air offense*

[@pablo9364]

No doubt??

[@OhioHoon]

Much respect to these pilots. They didn't panic, instead they fought for every inch of flight time to get the craft on the ground. They were performing at the highest level of their profession. Hats off.

[@hscollier]

Thanks for accurate and timely reporting, Juan. Outstanding, as always.

[@blancolirio]

Thanks HS!

[@littleferrhis]

This is by far one of the toughest situations a pilot can face and they handled it so well.

[@davidryan7261]

Another saving grace in all this is they were able to get to Kazakhstan as opposed to attempting what they did in some other mountainous country. One thing that Kazakhstan has plenty of is flat land. This is just circumstance and in no way intended to take away from exemplary job they did.

[@RasheedKhan-he6xx]

You make an excellent point. The cockpit voice recorder will tell us the final story but Pilot Blog youtube channel (which Juan referenced in his first video) made the same point about mountains and weather and that Aktau, Kazakhstan was the best choice not only because it's flat but because it's not in the middle of a city and has open land around it instead of buildings.

[@washburnb1]

That was heroic and skilled piloting. They did everyrhing the best they could and saved many, amazingly.

[@Chris_Nickelatti]

Thanks for all your videos.

[@kxjx]

That visualisation of the oscillations is horror, must have been absolutely terrorising. Its incredible they managed to fly that figure of 8

[@allensanders5535]

my hats off to the pilots they did everything humanly possible to save lives and should receive the utmost recognition. RIP

[@donallan6396]

People wonder why social media is replacing so called mainstream media. We all trust Juan's analysis .Factual and never knee jerk commentary. Thanks Juan for your timely video.

[@tomstravels520]

Also no consequences if he got something wrong unlike mainstream media. And is this the same social media that is full of misinformation, fake stories, dangerous "challenges" etc?

[@ppsarrakis]

mainstream media just have too much to lose over a slander case/trial/sue, twitter/youtube can just say "oops my bad" delete the video and nones the wiser.

[@Renard380]

Indeed. You just have to find the right people in a haystack of misinformation from idiotic influencers.

[@rannyacernese6627]

It is refreshing to have someone who knows what they’re talking about.

[@Taketimeout3]

What? He is the exception, not the rule. Social media is the reason people who don't know what they are talking about proliferate.

[@kevinsteele2773]

It’s a pity Al Haynes isn’t around to see this one. The similarities in the situation are uncanny. Severe tail control damage and hydraulic loss. Bless those pilots for their amazing effort I bet there will be an interesting conversation going on “up stairs “ right now

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed.

[@leokimvideo]

Juan I hope you can explain the 737 crash in Korea. From the raw videos the engines are roaring, gear is up, flaps up, no slats, one engine in reverse and no elevator input. Aircraft seem to not be slowing down. ATC warned about birds and there's a photo of a engine in trouble in flight before the landing. Potentially a very survivable crash landing if it wasn't for the brick wall built at the end of the runway. That wall decelerated the aircraft in very a short distance. This one is complex, I can't imagine what was happening in the cockpit.

[@RovexHD]

Sadly I really think they forgot to deploy the landing gear amidst the chaos.

[@leokimvideo]

@@RovexHD On Korean KZbin channels there are longer videos of this failed landing, shows the very late touchdown moment and the audio seem to indicate the engines throttle up to attempt a go around. Yet there are no flaps, no slats, no gear. I'm sure Juan knows how to find the longer fill videos that are incredibly telling of what's happening. Title like this reveals all 무안공항 비행기 사고 영상. Not putting a link of the spam bots will take it out.

[@luckyme4136]

Unlike the right side engine, left side reverser did not deploy. Unaware to the pilots, left engine was providing full forward thrust, hence aircraft could not slow down. Case solved. 😎 (kind of similar to TAM 3054)

[@Paul-jb6rk]

There have been calls for “sand” traps at the end of major airports for many years. It’s not sand but a similar type of material. There have been successful trials. As far as I know, no airports have it because of cost. All airports are run by private operators to make money. Airport operators would probably half minimum safe clearances between aircraft if they could to double profits.

[@mdhazeldine]

It wasn't the wall they hit. It was the mound supporting the ILS localiser antenna which had thick concrete inside. Stupid design!

[@paulpochan9631]

Juan...I think we all hear the passion in your voice as you relate this information, putting youself right in the cockpit with the flight crew....

[@SteamCrane]

Many years ago, Juan handled an engine out situation over the Pacific, so he knows how it feels.

[@myfavoritemartian1]

I still feel the utmost admiration for the crew who used every skill and bit of knowledge to cause a happy ending. It is to their credit that they saved half. Surviving a SAM strike is almost unheard of.

[@richarddye9170]

Some of the shrapnel may not have made it out the other side and could still be contained inside the fuselage. Valuable forensic evidence if they find it.

[@qwerty112311]

It’s irrelevant. Everyone knows it came from Russia. Russia will deny it to the end. Nothing will change.

[@hansybarra]

They already found a lot of it. Square shrapnel, a characteristic of Russian interceptors.

[@kyledodge5513]

Its amazing the flight crew kept her in the air so long after being hit by an AA missile. Their efforts to save lives should be honored and recognized as true heroism

[@joemarion2284]

In the video of the inside, not all oxygen masks are deployed and there is physical damaged of the overhead panels. Just forward of camera there is a side panel flapping with a hole in it. The fibers in punched inward. The overhead panel is missing and on the right side there is an overhead panel missing and marks on the overhead baggage compartment door. Something enter the left side hitting the panels deploying the masks and traveled through the plane from left to right.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed.

[@alexandr347]

I listened to the interview of one of the survivors, he said there was an outside explosion and someone on the inside got injured due to that explosion.

[@icin4d]

I thought an earlier report said a piece of shrapnel went through a passenger seat.

[@jm3779]

Have also seen a interview on X from what appears one of the cabin crew members currently in the hospital who states that he heard three bangs (explosions) which the first wounded his arm. This after a go around and second attempt to land in Grosny. As the weather report didn’t comply with the fog reports, it might be that the Russians fogged the Airfield to limit the drone attack ongoing. But totally unclear why they didn’t closed the airport and area for traffic beforehand. All reports of heavy fog, Birdstrike and engine explosions the typical Russian bullshit denying attempts.

[@offshoretomorrow3346]

There are Ukrainian drone attacks ongoing in the Caspian Sea? Sure you don't mean Black Sea?

[@HongyaMa]

@@jm3779 US does the same, "Fog of war"

[@TheEmolano]

There's a video that shows a woman with her leg bleeding.

[@electronbox]

At least it landed in a country where a thorough investigation is more likely to take place.

[@jantjarks7946]

The irony in this is, that they got denied twice to perform an emergency landing in Russia, where they could have covered up the whole incident far better.

[@electronbox]

@@jantjarks7946 I suspect someone wanted them to crash into the water - all evidence would then be gone.

[@electronbox]

I suspect someone wanted them to crash into the water - all evidence would then be gone.

[@relaxingnature2617]

That is BS. ..that never happened

[@RavenJCain]

@@relaxingnature2617 zero chance they were not going to use this for AntiRussian propaganda. Their bot farms and paid influencers are working overtime

[@JT-1969]

I’ve seen the video of this crash, as I’m sure many have. I’m absolutely heartbroken over the loss of so many innocent lives. Kudos to the flight crew for doing the best they could and saving the lives of some of the passengers.

[@cdl0]

BBC News reported today, 27 Dec. 2024, that surviving flight attendant Zulfuqar Asadov said that the plane was hit over Chechnya, and while they were trying to calm the passengers, they were hit again, injuring Asadov in the arm.

[@gsmith6026]

Is it on KZbin?

[@RasheedKhan-he6xx]

The flight was from Baku to Grozny. Baku is the capital of Azerbaijan. Grozny is the capital of Chechnya, which is a province of Russia that borders Azerbaijan. What the crew member was pointing out is that they were hit in Russian airspace and not Azerbaijan. Which is what we all assumed anyway.

[@rolandbol7350]

This video states at 0:10 that the plane was hit "over the Caspian Sea". This is probably a careless error that needs to be fixed, otherwise it will be used for spreading disinformation.

[@cdl0]

@@gsmith6026 The article is on the BBC News website.

[@Mr.Smith.C.R]

Excellent coverage Thanks!

[@19ij]

Капитан Игорь Кшнякин - Captain Igor Kshnyakin Второй пилот Александр Кальянинов - First officer Aleksander Kalyaninov.

[@jas0609]

Per CNN: • At least 28 people have died in a plane crash in southwestern South Korea, a local fire department official has told CNN. That number is expected to grow. • The Jeju Air jetliner, listed as a Boeing 737-800 on FlightAware, was carrying 175 passengers and six crew when it crash-landed at the airport in Muan county just after 9 a.m. local time on Sunday.

[@laker3]

They are reporting 47 dead now.

[@alternateuniverse1379]

Thanks for the update, so sad for all that lost their lives, heroic effort by the pilots

[@christopherscarpino8994]

Great analysis. Valiant effort by the aircrew.

[@dahamme]

New crash in South Korea! A 787 with a preliminary focus on landing gear issues? A belly landing, on the runway, sliding into an embankment at the end of the landing zone and exploding. There were survivors.

[@boblazar8558]

RIP Captain and Crew ,thanks for detail explanation ,Thank You Juan

[@psalm1197]

Didn’t cabin crew all survive?

[@RoseSharon7777]

​@@psalm1197 i was wondering the same thing. It looked like the flight deck didn't make a direct hit with the ground initially so I was thinking it might be possible the pilots survived. So sad for everyone lost.

[@awuma]

@@psalm1197 Typically, some cabin crew sit at the back. Everybody in the front 2/3 of the aircraft perished.

[@boblazar8558]

@@psalm1197 Captain, First Officer and one crew member RIP , Two crew member is alive

[@psalm1197]

@@boblazar8558 thank you

[@mapleext]

I think in due respect to these heroic pilots it’s important to speak the truth! Thanks Juan!

[@michaelcoslo6497]

With the engines still operating, and the holes depressed toward the inside of the plane, it was obvious that it came from outside, therefore a missile strike. I'm kind of surprised that so many supposed smart people could not see that immediately.

[@lyleparadise2764]

There are a lot of educated idiots out there, unfortunately.

[@noconsent]

People are paid to ignore reality and spread misinformation accordingly.

[@frankwilson2607]

@@lyleparadise2764 Some of whom admire Putler, no less.

[@skyhawk_4526]

@@lyleparadise2764 And many work for the media and the government.

[@TorchMagick]

They might have been smart, but they lied like a cheap rug. Phucking politicians.

[@tombolin7168]

Juan , 737-800 down in South Korea

[@thurin84]

man that flight crew was really working to get her on the ground. that anyone survived is a testament to the flightcrews skill and effort. they almost made it despite the damage. condolences to the family and friends of the victims.

[@henvan8737]

Most of the holes have a square look to them, this is because the missile used square shrapnel, so further pointing to a Russian missile and defiantly not square birds, as the Russians are saying it was caused by a bird strike.

[@10secondsrule]

You must be crazy if you believe what russians say.

[@WadmanP]

So they used asymmetric thrust to steer their way across the Caspian. But exactly like UA flight 232, asymmetric thrust doesn't appear to give you the fine controls needed for a controlled landing.

[@RonSwansons-0]

From what I understand it leads to either a very fast approach speed as occurred at Sioux City, or loss of control at the correct approach speed. I suspect the main factors that saved half the souls on board where the same for both. Time to work the problem for the crew and prepare the pasengers, altitude to play with and beautiful daylight.

[@pickleman40]

In this scenario, airspeed increases your attitude, which in turn increases your altitude. Thats all the control they have, you get one shot of getting all three of these values right when you reach touchdown altitude, and this is not even factoring roll which became a factor as well.

[@allangibson8494]

There is a control model NASA developed that does provide that level of fine control but it requires the engine management computer to be tied to the fly by wire flight control computer - which requires an aircraft with both.

[@marinareilly-collette2490]

The videos of the crash clearly show them levelling the wings and bringing the nose up in the seconds before impact. Everyone would probably be dead otherwise. Unfortunately the response wasn't fast enough to clear the ground.

[@alexanderlawson1649]

I salute you and all the pilots who face this, every day.

[@tanarosegreen6175]

In a translation of the on-board vid, the flight attendant is heard asking some passengers to move to the front of the passenger compartment. They were attempting to trim the plane by moving the CG. Sounds like the Stab trim was also disabled?

[@joellanier9135]

Juan, Thanks for your insight on this terrible event. I just wish we didn't have so many accidents. Wishing you and your Family the best Christmas and New Years in the mountains with plenty of... but not too much snow like last year! 🙂

[@franks_nl]

This was not an accident, it was a crime by Russia. Even if the air defense strike was accidental, Russia refused a crash landing and forced the aircraft to go across the Caspian Sea.

[@OttenAv]

@blancolirio Here an Embraer pilot. Perfect analysis. They might still had ailerons, because those are conventional with cables.

[@peterebel7899]

Thanks for the information! This gives some Background about the quite reasonable directional control they performed.

[@OttenAv]

@ I have to correct myself. If there were no hydraulics at all, they had only electric stabilizer trim and assymetric trust to steer the ac.

[@yaseenroman385]

Glad you mentioned it. Yes it does have cables connected to the ailerons.

[@helianocabral9832]

As a former Embraer pilot the impression I have is that they've lost all three hydraulic systems, and without hydraulics the rudder and the elevator are useless. Had they just one hydraulic system available, they would have acceptable pitch control. By looking at the video footages, I get the impression that they were trying to control pitch by changing stabilizer incidence and thrust setting, which is obviously pretty difficult. The stabilizer moves very slowly. The E190 ailerons have hydraulically assisted cable controls. Some degree of roll control is still available without hydraulics (remember the 737 manual reversion?) but the yoke becomes very heavy. Ideally some sideslipping helps, but sideslipping by asymmetric thrust, without rudder or elevator, is VERY difficult and may add to the confusion. I feel very sad for the crew and passengers, especially for the crew that tried very hard to control the aircraft until the last moment.

[@jimbobeire]

Thanks for sharing your valuable insight and experience.

[@ugurbudaq8070]

Thank you for showing all the new details

[@J.Beetle]

@blancolirio, I just heard the news about the crash of Jeju Air flight 2216. Hoping you could cover this accident.

[@D.von.N]

Can we just remind ourselves that those people in that plane were refused emergency landing on several airports nearby, and they were sent to carry on over a sea, most likely in a hope the evidence will get lost at the bottom of the sea? Brave pilots did the max the physics allowed them to do. They also wanted to live.

[@tomstravels520]

You have no evidence of that. Fog was surrounding their destination airport, others are located near mountainous terrain, they had little control of the aircraft and with jammed GPS they can’t utilise RNAV approaches and probably getting false alerts from EGPWS

[@RasheedKhan-he6xx]

I think its unhelpful to speculate. The black boxes have been recovered and the cockpit voice recorder will soon provide definitive proof of what was said between ATC and the flight crew. In the meantime, other actual pilots have pointed out that the nearby airports in Russia are surrounded by mountains and were experiencing difficult weather. It would have been impossible for the injured aircraft to negotiate the approach. Kazakhstan's airport was the nearest with a wide open approach and good weather.

[@D.von.N]

@@tomstravels520 You are right, I don't. But why this then, from BBC? "Russian aviation authorities have claimed the pilots of the plane were "offered other airports", but chose Aktau." What other airports? Pretty contradictory naratives.

[@grahamstevenson1740]

@@tomstravels520 Baku airport has an ILS, no RNAV approach required.

[@grahamstevenson1740]

@@D.von.N Don't expect the Russians to be truthful !

[@Saltlick11]

The terror on the passenger faces in the videos is heartbreaking. Sometimes I can't believe the evil around us. We must always be vigilant prepared in our Defense. May God Bless these people and the heroism of this fine crew. RIP.

[@robertmaltbie1188]

How horrifying this must have been for passengers.

[@daviddeavours4909]

I keep thinking the same thing - it would be horrendous.

[@allensanders5535]

the russian Pantsir-S1 short range SAM uses square cube shape shrapnel and if you look close you can see most of the larger holes have a square shape to them.

[@HongyaMa]

The MH 17 strike had the bow tie projectiles - US also uses square cut case projectiles Now who pulled the trigger?

[@SteamCrane]

Thanks. I was wondering about the shape.

[@ppsarrakis]

@@HongyaMa who has launchers close to the flight path of the jet?,if it quacks like a duck....

[@allensanders5535]

@@HongyaMa MH 17 was shot down by a medium range BUK-M1 (NATO reporting name: SA-11 Gadfly) in service 1980 the 96K6 Pantsir-S1 short range shot down this airplane in service 2012 its a different era of missile.

[@mfree80286]

@@HongyaMa Given the only people around were Russians, I think that's a safe bet. Georgia's 50-80 miles southwest but behind a mountain range (radar shadow), Ukraine's 500 miles northwest, and the closest possible US asset would be 750-1000 miles away. Given this was an overtaking shot, it came from very near Grozny, and the Russians quickly shuttled off the only Pantsir-S1 unit in the area yesterday. And yes, Chechens are still geopolitically Russians.

[@13699111]

Thank you for the update report. I can't imagine those pilots work load's then adding the extended flight time. Thank you for the interesting informative background information.

[@mrricky3816]

Thanks!

[@ColinWatters]

02:49 In addition to the rubber jungle it looks like part of the cabin wall liner was pushed in.

[@victoriadedicova]

There are videos of people getting hit by shrapnel and bleeding inside the cabin.

[@RubyS.1]

They didn't stop flying and saved lives. Really sad

[@selvagem-vod7043]

The E190 is truly an impressive machine, brilliantly engineered. Shot at, denied landing at three nearby aerodromes, it flew across the Caspian Sea and almost landed. It crashed, yet nearly half of it remained intact with survivors. What an incredible machine! Masterpiece-Embraer is truly a giant.

[@NicolaW72]

Indeed, exactly. Embraer Aircrafts have shown repeatedly their outstanding resilience, in this case, too.

[@allangibson8494]

It does need an engine control software update to make this condition more survivable… (and some hydraulic fuses to shut leaking hydraulic circuits).

[@NicolaW72]

@@allangibson8494 Civil aircrafts are not designed to take shootings by military air defense. Civil airlines simply have to avoid therefore airspaces where military combat is ongoing and air defense is active.

[@allangibson8494]

@ B737’s have hydraulic fuses because hydraulic leaks happen. Catastrophic engine failures often cause catastrophic hydraulic leaks…

[@lawman1965]

​@allangibson8494 , as famously happened in the USA with the tail engine failing and taking out all 3 hydraulic systems.

[@JK_Chapman]

the interview Mary Schiavo did on CNN was absurd.. she insisted her decades of experience told her the damage was not from shrapnel.. it was embarrassing

[@HabuBeemer]

The horizontal entry and exit indicates something very clearly came from the side of the flight path. This rules out a possible engine failure or explosion which would have gone straight to the rear in line with the fuselage. Mary is not correct. But then it's CNN.

[@jamsaanich4993]

CNN 🤣🤣🤣

[@coldsamon]

Really?! 😂🤣

[@skyhawk_4526]

They also predicted that Harris would win by a landslide and take all of the swing states. So, this seems pretty like consistent reporting for an outfit like CNN.

[@Internetbutthurt]

Thats weird? If CNN is covering then maybe the US knows it was a Ukrainian drone. Nothing can be discounted at this stage.

[@drogna3905]

A valiant effort by the crew to bring that plane down safely. May their souls rest in Peace.

[@Aerodave11]

Thanks for the analysis, I wish this is the way news were presented. Experts on their field analysing and presenting the information for the public to understand with no agenda.

[@tomstravels520]

Jesus Christ no thanks. You'd get any halfwit pretending to know about something and making it up on the spot if they did that. Juan may be a pilot, but he is not an accident investigator or an expert on missiles. Everything he did was based on speculation and guesswork. Yes it is looking extremely likely it was a missile. But so called MSM needs hard facts or they get into trouble.

[@Dmitry_IMHO]

2:38 Is that an immediate loss of control or it is going away gradually?

[@blancolirio]

Gradually as the hydraulics bled out.

[@germansnowman]

@@blancolirioIt is even more tragic then that a landing in one of the closer airports seems to have been refused and they had to fly for another 90 minutes or so across the water.

[@mikedx2706]

@@germansnowman The Russians wanted to conceal the evidence of their f-up and tried to make the plane crash into the Caspian Sea.

[@Brahmlullies]

@@blancolirioCheck out Aviation Safety Network.. two 172-type planes shot down (Aeroprakt) in the area as well.

[@lib747]

@@germansnowman by forcing them to cross that large body of water, Russia was counting on them crashing into it, and sinking all the evidence.

[@dustsmoke]

In the video of the guy preying (who survived) the flight crew was calling out for 20 passengers to come up front. So it seems they weren't just trying to control it with engines. Sounded like they were trying to bring it in by shifting passenger weight around on the inside.

[@HuckThis1971]

Saw in one video mid left hand flap fairing had a hole in it at aft tip. Shrapnel reached the rear spar for sure.

[@trevortaylor5501]

Using your engines and stabilizers as your rudder, these pilots are hero's! My condolences to all families who lost loved ones.

[@VickersDoorter]

Now with the Korean crash, what a terrible week for commercial airline travel and both captured in such detail. With the starboard engine birdstrike clearly filmed and the disabling of the landing gear, there will be a lot to analyse. A truly awful end to the year with the loss of so many everyday travellers in a matter of days.

[@gryhze]

Juan, could you address the issue of GPS jamming during flight operations?

[@mduckernz]

@@toby3701They have been doing it for longer than since 2022.

[@Trash_Can81]

Only some of the masks seem to be deployed, and I can find what appears to be damage to the overhead or walls near the deployed masks. So, I don't think it's been a general deployment as a result of depressurisation, but rather it's showing areas within the cabin where the shrapnel has caused more damage.

[@cmm170526]

Thank you Mr. Brown

[@iitzfizz]

I've seen news outlets touting this as a "Christmas miracle" which I think is a massive disservice to the pilots. The reason anyone survived that crash is because of their superb airmanship and is no miracle.

[@thrillvilled111]

Those pilots flew the plane until the very end!

[@uwekonnigsstaddt524]

They flew the plane, they didn’t fight it.

[@GHOST-hd4wm]

The plane was not shot down. This is all a fabricated story.

[@hubriswonk]

Never give up!

[@Agwings1960]

Even after all the video evidence was out there, you were about the only news source that didn't keep repeating the bird strike nonsense

[@humbertomonteiro6742]

😂😂 Metal birds flying at 30000 ft

[@_Jester_]

No, he wasn't the only one.

[@cannesahs]

​@@_Jester_ about the only one = one of few

[@GarethReecewood]

Airlines should not be putting their crews and passengers anywhere near active conflict zones. Mistakes happen all the time in heated scenarios. The US just shot down one of it's own f18s. It's too risky to put your life at the mercy of some nervous grunt on the trigger of the anti aircraft system. So sad

[@after_midnight9592]

Not granting emergency landing and forcing them to fly over water with hopes they sink is a deliberate act.

[@Rob2]

This was a relatively local flight. I completely agree with you that no transit planes should fly over this area (as e.g. MH17 did over Ukraine), but I guess some people want to travel from Baku to Grozny, and you cannot avoid the conflict zone unless you completely stop all traffic in the area. As the conflict has been going on for years already, at some point that becomes impractical.

[@geirha75]

it's about money.

[@wim0104]

Military jets love to hide behind & above civil airliners... And they keep sending them over ukraine, syria, iraq...

[@planesandbikes7353]

This was not an active conflict zone until very recent days. Also a lot of the people on the plane were Russians.

[@nothingmuch875]

Some comments on the Korean crash (that we eagerly await Juan to report on) with info from other sites. No gear and no flaps, but the right thrust reverser is open, implying hydraulics available (?). Or did it just get ripped open by the skidding? The gear can still be extended with zero hydraulics and at a minimum they would have accumulator breaking. It appeared to go off the end of the runway at 100kts or more, just a guess. The concrete wall that ripped the airplane apart was just the base for the localizer antennas yet was built like a bomb shelter, thick solid concrete for some strange reason. I'm struggling to remember another occasion where a gear up or no-flap landing resulted in fatalities. My unsolicited premature opinion is this was gross pilot error.

[@melbar]

Pilot Blog made a good video about that

[@RovexHD]

Let's hear what the justification was for the fortified antenna shelter.

[@rael5469]

From an old sheetmetal mechanic's point of view........LOOK how well the aircraft held together even after being hit by an anti-aircraft missile. The blast turned it into swiss cheese and yet the airframe didn't break up inflight. That's quality design and construction there folks. Simply amazing. You have to see it to believe it.

[@mccloysong]

So similar to the Sioux City Iowa United DC-10 crash when they lost hydraulics from the #2 fuselage engine's breakup. How difficult it must be to try and tame a damaged aircraft with no playbook to have rehearsed. Bless those pilots.

[@randybull01]

I hope the voice recorder gets released. It would fill lots of gaps in information. That is the only way we will know why they tried to land where they did instead of the closest airport. But Russia still bares full responsibility for shooting it down.

[@Melanie16040]

Russia refused them permission to land. Suggested they land in the water. Seems rather like they wanted to make the evidence of what they had done disappear.

[@jimbobeire]

@@Melanie16040 That's been repeated over and over in comment sections without anything to back it up. They may have opted to land at Aktau because unlike Grozny and Makhachkala it had no fog, no nearby hills/ mountains and wasn't surrounded by suburbs. Also the Caspian Sea in that area is not that deep, about 200m deep on average, the black boxes still would have been found.

[@Melanie16040]

@@jimbobeire A crash into the water would have resulted in the lack of human survivors to speak to what happened. With how close to Grozny they were when hit, they still had hydraulic fluid in the systems which gave them the control needed to land. Grozny also has ILS to support landing in fog. No pilot, given hydraulic systems losing fluid, would chose to make a multi hundred kilometer over water journey vs utilizing ILS to get the aircraft on the ground even if that may require violating minimums.

[@jimbobeire]

@@Melanie16040 Odd, thought I already posted here about the ILS at Grozny being INOP (inoperative) so, a good pilot would not risk people on the ground by trying to land a crippled plane in a densely populated area, with no precision approach, not when the plane will stay up in the air and a more isolated runway can be reached.

[@davidroux7987]

Strange birds

[@skyhawk_4526]

Yeah, when did birds start throwing hand grenades?

[@rbrazz]

yes cranes can be deadly especially the U variety.

[@trunkmonkey9417]

Absolutely no criticism of the flight crew, only curious if a landing were possible in the uninhabited areas visible all around the airport. Or if the sand is too loose and deep for the extended gear and no way to avoid digging in, resulting extreme dynamic loads destroying the aircraft resulting in likely total loss of life. The fact that they were able to get it to a place that anyone would survive is worthy of the term "heroic". True airmanship that they "flew" until they had nothing left.

[@echassin]

or on the water?

[@jantjarks7946]

​@@echassinThe plane was punctured badly, water would come in rather fast. Furthermore, with the little control left it would have been very likely to crash into the sea, instead of a clean landing, drowning everyone who would have survived the impact. Sully had all controls available and was declared a hero making a safe landing in the river. They didn't even have hydraulics anymore. No, they made the correct choice to save as many passengers as possible.

[@andij605]

​@@jantjarks7946yeah, it's also a way flatter area compared to basically all other alternate airports, plus it's inhabited enough that there are hospitals, but not as much buildup and population as other alternates nearby. so Aktau was a very good bad choice they chose

[@trunkmonkey9417]

@@echassin Ditching is always a "last" resort if flat and unobstructed land is available. Water creates immediate and greater "drag", and most aircraft that "dig in" experience "immediate stop". Giving they had extended the gear and unlikely had hydraulics to retract them. (and underslung engines) Second is survivors having to deal with being in the water, hypothermia, rescue efforts (time and resources) and the (less likely but) possibility of sharks. Land is preferred. I was curious if attempting a clear area would have been preferable to making a runway, given the unstable control and "focus" of trying to "dial in" on a precise landing compared to the attributes of sand posing more danger than the attempt at precision for the runway. Or as the late Al Haynes replied: “Roger. You want to be particular and make it a runway, huh?”

[@hubriswonk]

It looks like the pilots flew the plane all the way to the ground even off airport landing. They never stopped flying and they never gave up! I want to hear their voices on the cockpit recorder so that I can remember them as heros. Very brave men!

[@JR-ut2ne]

Looks like these pilots were absolute heroes for what they were able to achieve. It reminds me a lot about United flight 232 which was arguably one of the finest displays of airmanship in the history of civil aviation.

[@christopherleveck6835]

Some of those holes are in a "bowtie" shape. I don't remember which weapon used those but they leave a very distinctive shape.

[@Stufftowatch21]

1st of all this madness of war has to stop , tons of lives lost . All the respect for the pilots & crew that flew over or near war torn countries , very dangerous.

[@davidgenie-ci5zl]

fools to fly into a war zone in a passenger plane. fools.

[@grahamstevenson1740]

The war WILL stop the moment Russia withdraws from Ukraine.

[@bluejay313]

Russia is the instigator of this madness .. they can stop tomorrow and withdraw from illegally occupied Ukrainian land.

[@jrnmller1551]

Pantsir SAM system contains square pelllets, which corresponds with the square holes in Aircraft!!!!

[@patrickoguinn4553]

No no Juan. The nice lady on the news cast kept saying it was a bird strike. Never mentioned anything about a defensive missile strike.

[@humbertomonteiro6742]

Metal bird strike

[@Renard380]

She was right, you can even tell it was a woodpecker 🙄

[@user-gj9cn7tn5r]

Bird strike yes. Russian “name” of missile used is Swallow. So yeah, aircraft was hit by a “bird”. LOL

[@joso5554]

😂😂😂 Bird strike on the side of the vertical stabilizer 😂😂😂 Are you watching Putinnews ? Faux News ?

[@zakn3954]

@@Renard380 Aluminumpecker technically, it's common along the caspian sea. Seriously though, that reminds me of the racket one made pecking my neighbor's gutter downspout in the mornings.

[@carlenaponce9205]

Excelente reporting. ⛄️

[@bingbong4848]

I know news channels can have their bias, but... The pilots here had initially reported a bird strike to ATC. That was their first assumption. The news channels initially ran with that. Social media gave us a view as to what really happened, but that leaves a short window where the news channels have to verify and collate these social media revelations, during which time they tend to be accused of 'covering up the real story'.

[@tomstravels520]

Wow such a rarity to find someone who actually understand how real news media works.

[@gordonrichardson2972]

Newsrooms have minimal staffing at the best of times, and events that happen on 25 Dec in a remote part of the world will not get proper analysis...