Shotokan ippon vs Kyokushin ippon

[@mastertroso]

i practiced shotokan, kyokushin and muay thai. shotokan has good technique and really fast but it has no match to kyokushin and muay thai. in kyokushin and muay thai it is not just technique but toughness and power as well. the only few advantages of muay thai over kyokushin are face punches, throwing and spinning elbow strikes, but when it comes to toughness i would go with kyokushin. that's just my opinion from my experiences. no disrespect to other martial arts. osu

[@Anurag.S933]

Osu

[@gagamushin6853]

I agree. OSSU

[@onlypancito]

En mi dojo de karate shotokan practicamos principalmente la velocidad, precisión y potencia, no sabía que en otros dojo no era así

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

Well, some kyokushin tournament allowed face punches, but with gloves When kyokushin combined with muay thai, that would be one of the best striking combination art 👊

[@TiagoPortas]

Shotokan still have power. To score a point, or even in Kata competition, power is a criteria of scoring. In Kumite to score a point the punch or kick have to be full speed, what means full power. The Sundome is what confuse people that shotokan fighters don't have power, but trust me, this guys can knock you out with a single punch If they want.

[@ryanhill7318]

There is less showboating, and more respect within the full contact fighters. I really struggle with how flashy the WKF has become.

[@Ry-bo9hi]

seeing this makes me appreciate what the guys in Karate Combat are doing

[@uv6er]

except for forbidden kicks to thighs...

[@Ry-bo9hi]

yeah I didn't get why that rule is there, aren't the calves or knee ligaments more valuable than the already dense thigh?

[@uv6er]

@@Ry-bo9hi because then Kyokushin(probably someone else too) guys will be at advantage :D

[@femboywholikestosuckdi1257]

@@uv6er that's not bad, true martial arts focus on effectivity and thigh kicks (roundhouse kicks) are the most effective ones, in general, as far as I know Kyokushin karate users aren't trained to receive punches to the head so it's kind of balanced :)

[@uv6er]

@@femboywholikestosuckdi1257 considering knees and foot allowed to head... except some speed - what can punches in gloves offer? ;)

[@johnkrummel2956]

difference between fighting for points and fighting for KOs... Point karate vs knockdown karate

[@DoomGuy-kf8fv]

Except they leave their heads wide open the entire time. Both have been modified

[@fatihsenturk4167]

Absolutely you are right.. So Kyokusin is harder. So Kyokusin is proper for using on bad street or daily dangerous.

[@y200sub]

@@fatihsenturk4167 Kyokushin is harder but the tournament format is very bad for self defence, no punches to the head is stupid

[@lomaeuru]

The idea of not punch on the face is make it harder. If i can put you down with a body punch for sure will happen when i reach the head. Thats the logic behind that format.

[@y200sub]

@@lomaeuru I get the idea but it is still a bad idea in my opinion, when head punches are included everything changes, the range, the guard, the clinch, everything is just different, kyokushin guys absorb the heaviest body shots as if it is nothing and if you touch the face with your hand ever slightly they start rolling on the ground like wimps

[@jwhite8794]

Fully agree with @ kashif ahmad. Not all shotokan is the same - sport karate is sport karate; budo karate is budo karate. And while there are similarities there are very real differences. Look at how TKD has 'devolved' for sport - no punches! That's not a true martial art. Much respect to kyokushin practitioners, but even in these kumite clips they are so focused on body punches that their heads are wide open and inviting strikes - so I think kyokushin 'tournament' karate has also been modified.

[@williamsantos1385]

For kyokushin in these competitions there's a rule where you can kick or knee someone in the head, but not punch...

[@mitsuoo1012]

Hehe Tae kwon do only has 3 punches but many kicking techniques. So better for ring and not so much street

[@moehoward8691]

They seem to have an arrogant attitude or what we in the US would call "asshole" attitude . This WKF sport stuff is ruining sport karate in my non humble opinion.

[@binekatunggalika3326]

Kyokushin is body conditioning

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

Not just that, kyokushin using all parts of body (elbow, forearm, knee, shin, etc) to block and attack You can underestimate kyokushin based on body conditioning only, except if you try to fight kyokushin guy by yourself 😂🤣

[@kashifahmad93]

The 1st part is obviously not a shotokan kumite but WKF(Sports Karate) kumite. And don't compare any style on the basis of tournament style, bcz it's not the real fight.

[@kareemhabib5421]

Osu

[@rcc8347]

I did shotokan karate. There is kata and kumite trainings. The kumite training is usually the sport competition training

[@user-td3bs8cu7r]

уже давно в традиционном карате работают в контакт (бьют без проноса)

[@lotusnegra1537]

Kyokushin guy knocks somone out cold: just do a kime zanshin and go back Shotokan guy touches the tip of someone's hair with his foot: screams like he killed Chuck Norris

[@sbondokov1]

😂

[@crisalcantara7671]

Brow hahahaha

[@DoomGuy-kf8fv]

Please stop comparing fake sport karate with actual shotokan, many of us find sport karate to be awful

[@ryanhill7318]

Thats a very good point. I atudy Gojuryu, and habe no intrrest in point sparring. Its sport, removwd from traditional karate. They are very athletic, but its sport.

[@savvasperisanidis]

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[@user-td3bs8cu7r]

спорт есть спорт, а реальный бой - реальный бой. А то в комментариях все к уличным боям готовятся

[@AP4Liberty]

I study both styles and appreciate both. I feel like this is trying to make one look like it's better than the other, but there were strong athletic prowess demonstrated by practitioners of Shotokan and Kyokushin. These styles both have their strengths and weaknesses. And if we are going to compare them to make Kyokushin look superior, why not try next Kyokushin vs. Uechi Ryu?

[@warrickdawes7900]

Yes, the difference between the head kick around 1:38 and the later head kicks was trained control. Also there are different rules between the tournaments. In Kyokushin you are not allowed to punch to the head, for example.

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

Still same, kyokushin is the king 🤷‍♂️

[@thekeeper3822]

Yah the difference is one is real fighting style full contact and the other is touching, screaming and running a way 😂 Shotokan is joke and the funniest thing is most of the shotokan screamers r snabish show of they think they can fight and Kyokushin r humbles and they r the real fighters!!!

[@Jk-il3dp]

@@thekeeper3822 that’s only in Olympics 😭 in full contact sparring with with shotokan I’d say not as effective as kyoshuin but isn’t a joke in any way especially in street fights if you use it right, it’s just that there’s so many rules in play now of days it removes the essence of what made shotokan great

[@comandosdoeb]

@@thekeeper3822 why don't you search "lyoto Machida"?

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

I have learned shotokan in high school once, but once I started learn kyokushin 6-7 months after the end of high school, everything in myself changed 360°!!! Now, I realized that karate WKF is now being diluted to just hit for points, omg 🤦‍♂️ I chose kyokushin until my death OSU!!! 🥋👊

[@Neonhelmet]

180.. If you change 360 degrees you are back to where you started ;) Good to hear. Keep it up Osu!

[@uzrex318]

i also go to kyokushin karate it is the strongest karate in the world osu

[@filipcesnjak2944]

It is objectivly clear that kyokusin is more practical of the two for real fighting, but everybody trains for thier own reasons so they are free to choose.

[@walidelmaini6383]

So iv been doing karate for 12 years and i was learning the shotokan style for the guys who wants to learn shotokan feel free bc my sensei told us that shotokan is more focused to the ennemy and more effective so gyu ryu is a defense style kyokushin has moves that looks like kick boxing but all are good

[@darkkreator11]

why goju ryu is defensive? I practiced goju ryu ken shin kan for several years, never heard something about defense style. It has a very special mixture of strong and soft movements, and specially ken shin kan school have a lot of flying kicks (yoko tobi geri, nidan geri, ura mawashi, etc), then practiced kyokushin and personally liked a lot, more realistic, not this "ippon kumite" where you cant apply the 80% moveset that you've trained.

[@tapasdutta2989]

Kyokushin Karate is Real Fight Training. Osu

[@mrstrdknmabalz1412]

Not defending shotokan whatsoever. But without punch to the head, and defence against head punch. Its far from being real fight training. Nevertheless, still better than wkf karate

[@moehoward8691]

Hahahahaha

[@eliasaquinomijares4072]

@@mrstrdknmabalz1412 shinken shobo

[@mrstrdknmabalz1412]

@@eliasaquinomijares4072 yup. Shinken shobu is a good practice. You can totally see that the fighting style differ so much when it involve head punches. =)

[@eliasaquinomijares4072]

@@mrstrdknmabalz1412 also has grappling

[@riskiadittiya245]

kyokhushin is strong

[@Pifagorass]

I like Fudokan - contact Karate + takedowns. Best of both displayed here.

[@noobgaming-fz7fp]

Good to see kyokushin being represented

[@muayboran6111]

0:23, that's a good combination

[@Isaac_Shamir]

WKF isn't Shotokan, they're a joint of a few styles who decide to perform as Olympic Karate. It's a another thing. Take a look on Ippon over (Traditional) Shotokan and check the difference.

[@diosdadoapias]

In real fight those punches to the face could be with extended knuckles or finger strikes to the face and eyes.. What was shown in the Shotokan are just the punches, no kicks shown when there were albeit not usually.

[@sbondokov1]

After a went to kyokushin I made sparing with shotokan guys. They success to hit me in the face, but I felt nothing. They just didn't have tradition to hit strong, they hit just for point.

[@91bono]

Can u check out Angelo Tosto demostration? Hes a shotokan practitioner :) u will see that its not the style which hit strong, but the karateka/master. Osu

[@diosdadoapias]

@@sbondokov1 you are lucky then that you spar with a karateka who has no punching power with bare knuckles. You are lucky. do not take that you can take punches to the face so you can say that punching the face is nothing. Try sparring with true karateka---those who even punch makiwara not one who wear gloves and then practicing connecting them to have a point. karate is already being diluted and when they fight in the street there strike is nothing and they lost.

[@sbondokov1]

@@diosdadoapias I know that, but most karatekas now are from that kind, that you describe like "point fighters" , especially from shotokan.

[@davidpetrie3793]

Karate is Karate. There is no technique in Kyokushin that does not occur in Shotokan. The difference is in the approach to "tournaments." Shotokan prefers no (or little) contact. Nakayama (the inventor of tournament karate) insisted on this in order to protect the practitioners. Egotistical Kyokushin practitioners seek to bludgeon their opponents into submission. All this does is to inflate the ego, which, to me, is antithetical to the purpose of karate, which is to defeat the ego and to improve one's character. Kyokushin fails desperately at this.

[@sbondokov1]

Interesting opinion. But isn't the purpose of fighting to defeat opponent? So, kyokushin fighters prefer to really knock out and defeat the opponent, point styles prefer to believe in illusion of winning.

[@gabrielguitar222]

man this is fighting. what is the point of enrolling in fighting if you disagree with the violence involved?

[@joseortega9146]

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, I THINK THAT TRADITIONAL KARATE WAS MAINLY INTENDED FOR ADULT AND ADVANCED PEOPLE, BUT NOW THAT'S BORING AND COMPETITION SPORTS ENTERED (WHICH IS A SPORT WITHIN TRADITIONAL KARATE ITSELF, "THERE ARE KARATE CHAMPIONS IN THE WORLD THAT NEVER BECAME A BLACK BELT", IN FINAL KYOKUSHIN IS FULLCONTACT OF KARATE, THEN SINCE KARATE IS ONE, IT SHOULD ONLY BE TAKEN IN ITS 3 EXPRESSIONS (SPORTS KUMITE, TRADITIONAL KATA AND PROGRAM OF EACH STYLE AND FULLCONTACT KYOKUSHIN) I PRACTICE WADO SO I WOULD BE IN THE TRADITIONAL, HAI....

[@theodore.katsuaki]

Wkf isn't the whole representation of shotokan, maybe it would be better if you'll show jka ippon as well

[@mzambo666]

Both great, today Karate Combat matches are none point fighting Shotokan. I love the Kyokushin matches but not throwing punches to the head does not do it for me. Not defending punches to the face does not help...

[@HiroIndo16]

man kyokushin KOs looks gnarly

[@sbondokov1]

Did you even watched the video? Shotokan fighters don't even touch each other! If you think that kyokushin KO's are joke, go to kyokushin dojo and try!!!

[@mhamadkarate4260]

You all have to know that this is a sport shotokan and not the traditional one , which they use full power as kyokushin

[@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv]

With the shotokan matches the fighters tend to call their own points. This is risky as there's no guarantee that the referee may have seen the point. Also it's doing the referee's job for them. By contrast with the kyokushin fights it's more clear cut when a fighter scores a point as it's clear the opponent is knocked down or out or can't continue.

[@sbondokov1]

Yes, this is correct. In kyokushin, only when fighters are equal, the judges deside who is the winner.

[@savvasperisanidis]

@@sbondokov1 look up jka kumite. This is not shotokan it's wkf kumite no comparison cheers

[@isaacjones4925]

I do shotokan and trust me shotokan we are way faster we can block any attacks and use are block as a attack and we get built to do a lot of things average people can not do and we do many throws kyokushin you have no chance

[@sbondokov1]

@Isaac Jones , you can't be shure , until you try 😀

[@Victor-fl9yh]

Hahahahahahaha

[@xmacieqx2437]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDD That's a good one 😂😂

[@igomachado1634]

Sou shotokan e admiro os 2

[@gabrielmanzanosantiago]

Shotokan:ir al punto i rápido i derribar POV:kyokushin broke you oponente😂😂😂😂

[@JJVin4476]

Shotokan and their hopping around after a "point" and KKS guys posing....jfc

[@drkaleemkhan4366]

After all kyokushin is best of all and i will choose it because ism a master of kyokushin

[@andicristy]

Wrong title. WKF vs Kyokushin kai is better.

[@diosdadoapias]

They should have shown here kumite of All Japan Karate Kumite or All Japan JKA Kumite. a bare knuckle karate kumite. Not this kind of karate kumite. Perhaps they selected this video because it loooks like exciting karate and because of Agayev. They wanted to show him. But I think I have not seen Agayev compete in bare knuckle Karate specially Kumite with tradition and ruling like the JKA Shotokan or even tried to join the invitational All Japan Karate Kumite. Real Shotokan kumite or sparring is bare knuckle and they can hit the face with it.

[@daggersamashworrierovgod]

I am aslo a thai boxer

[@StrumVogel]

03:00 did that guy just flatlined Feitousa? Or Filho?

[@cocobread2569]

the moment i see those goofy gloves and feet protection, i m out. they look like the grown kids of a mcdojo

[@sbondokov1]

😂

[@PubgLover-zq6gu]

Music name plzzz

[@sbondokov1]

@Pubg Lover , Call of duty Modern warfare 3 game soundtrack.

[@PubgLover-zq6gu]

@@sbondokov1 ok

[@parikshitbarua931]

Kyokushin fighters are more powerful...noone can stand in front of then during a fight

[@mohammedadrihafizi2787]

Especially in shoken shobu (head punches) rules

[@akashixtrapp9742]

Nombre de la canción

All that punches to the body and they dont' even seem to flinch... either they wear an armour or they dont' know how to properly throw a punch.

[@sbondokov1]

@Danilo Mongiovi, you obviously don't know what is kyokushin. There is no armor, their bodies are armor. This punches would ko every untrained person. But kyokushin fighters spend much time to strengthen their bodies and that's why they don't block.

@@sbondokov1 You obviously don't know what a human body is if you think you can "strengthen" it agaist a liver or solar plexus (properly thrown) punch.

[@sbondokov1]

@ it is absolutely possible! Liver and solar plexus are covered with muscles. I know anatomy, because I'm a doctor. Just look how kyokushin fighters and kick boxers hit each other in the liver and solar plexus and you will see.

@@sbondokov1 LoL man... really. Let's cut it here. Have a nice day :)

[@ArthurRakaevTheArtist]

@ you can try it yourself) Try it) Just do it

[@Limited_AlexMMA]

honestly if u want to train to be a true karate fighter it isnt as easy as just choosing a style idealy i would be choosing kyokushin and shotokan or tang soo do(really similar arts) as well as some kind of grappling it could be judo jujutsu wrestling as long as you learn proper takedown defense and some submissions and throws keep in mind shotokan has sweeps and throws

[@lucaspisculichi]

Consulta aca en el video quienes son shotokan y quienes kyokushin? Shotokan me interesa mas.

[@thenson1Halo]

I took Tang Soo Do when I was a kid and then moved on to Kyokushin when I was a teenager and took a few Jiu Jitsu classes. I haven't taken classes Muay Thai but i've seen enough of it to emulate a lot of moves. I'd say those 4 martial arts are the most useful in practical situations.

[@JJVin4476]

Tang Soo Do? Get real.

[@thenson1Halo]

@@JJVin4476 Why should anyone value your rude opinion? I've practiced Karate for 40 years including all three styles listed and Tang Soo Do holds up just fine.

[@9some]

do they have to be stupid at the end of when they win? bet that's not in the style 2:44 chris evans?

[@debarghyaghosh1263]

What do you mean ?

[@9some]

@@debarghyaghosh1263 what do you mean with what do i mean? what're you referring to?

[@debarghyaghosh1263]

@@9some what you wanna say ?

[@9some]

… @@debarghyaghosh1263 their reactions are silly and/or stupid, juvenile, child-like

[@debarghyaghosh1263]

@@9some according to you which style is the best

[@TiagoPortas]

And about JKA ippon? that's true Shotokan.

[@birsabari9656]

I'm Kyokushine Karate guy and I like Kyokushine Karate but I don't like this any touch bach Karate.

[@guillaumelecam6257]

I dont get a shit of what is happening.....

[@peterscottodonnell7290]

GO JU RYU KARATE is to kill not fight.

[@sbondokov1]

May be was somewhen, but now it's point karate, like shotokan. Just another good style, ruined by the rules.

[@wolfcorpse]

@@sbondokov1 no it not , You know nothing about Goju Ryu

[@sadeghsalari7174]

kyokushin : terminatoooor

[@savvasperisanidis]

This is not shotokan kumite comp but WKF Olympic. Misleading title and false comparison

[@sbondokov1]

OK, but most shotokan practitioners fight in WKF. And the principles are similar - point fighting.

[@savvasperisanidis]

@@sbondokov1 no comparison bruv. Kyokushin to have similar points. Jka tournaments are at a different level to wkf Top jka don't compete in wkf Otherwise I understand ur commentary in essence. Regards

[@t-time9690]

First of all, this is about ippon in Shotokan vs ippon in Kyokushin, not about which style is better. There is a clear difference in that Shotokan tournaments seem to allow more techniques. Kyokushin fights seem to end more often in knockouts than Shotokan fights. Frankly any martial art or rather, any seemingly universal training method where two guys are nice enough to stand there and trade body blows does not seem like an ideal way to train in any martial art. I do realize that fighters modify how they fight depending on the circumstances, but if you train such that your reflex is stand and deliver, and receive blows, then it seems likely that you would do that in any fight. That is not an ideal way to train. I do not blame the martial art, but the way many of its practitioners train.

[@franciscogonzalezramirez5033]

Again trying to discredit Shotokan? Dude, what's wrong with you? I guess so many Kyokushin ippons to your head have killed a bunch of your neurons. Repeat after me: They are different sports! If you think Kyokushin is superior because you beat yourself unconscious for free (heck, I bet you pay to enter your tournaments) you have been totally misled. Go, do professional boxing or MMA, at least there's a chance for you to get paid for getting yourself crippled down from the beatings.

[@sbondokov1]

Dude, you are very wrong! I am brown belt in shotokan and purple belt in kyokushin. I know what I am speaking! Plus I am a doctor , my head is ok!😀

[@debajyotiroy4063]

Hey , bro I am first dan black belt in kyokushin Karate so better u keep your bloody wrong mindset with u rather than to share with others.😏

[@debajyotiroy4063]

@@sbondokov1 thanks bro for this awesome video 🔥

[@mrskoous9159]

Imma be honest, I can't really tell which is which

[@Victor-fl9yh]

​@@sbondokov1 there is no purple in kyokushin

[@uzrex318]

kyokushin n1

[@hamedramezani3601]

Kyokushin is a bodybuilding. In real fight you should can punch to head. But in shotokan style you can touch head and habit Defence your head.

[@ronnyfang5627]

Wanna tes kyokushin in spar bro?

[@shatteringairfist191]

U think we are stupid not to train to protect our faces? We do train for competition and for self def. Remember back in the day, Kyokushin started out with face punch. They stopped that after many serious damage to the heads and face bones.

[@hamedramezani3601]

@@shatteringairfist191 u just search in KZbin wing chun vs kyokushin and see real fighting. Wing chun winer every time.

[@conanabang1515]

@@hamedramezani3601 lol. Thank you. I like your joke. I am sure you can make a good stand up comedian.

[@jean4j_]

@@conanabang1515 lol yeah haha

[@babanchakraborty6316]

Jocker sotokan can't defit kyokushin

[@josebrayanllanosolivera2575]

Kyokushin winner

[@PauloVitor-ms9md]

Shotokan kumite is so cringe

[@uzrex318]

++

[@reches1029]

clasico shotokan goju ryu wado ryu shito ryu

[@andresf.4771]

Kykushin= verdadero arte marcial. Shotokan= puntuar y gritar

[@gillarajieprasatya1158]

Shotokan kek ada unsur taekwondo nya..

[@spartanlukas]

Shotokan is garbage, same reverse punch over and over and over! He who hits first doesn't mean shit! Let the men fight until one destroys the other! KO or someone quits!

[@rcc8347]

It depends on the mindset of the fighter my man. A well executed kick or punch or elbow can end a fight. Also karateka have good footwork so they can run when the fight is not going in their favour. The strategy of a karateka is so underrated. Also the ability to avoid being hit first can come in handy in fights

[@spartanlukas]

@@rcc8347 A Shotokan karateka needs alot more than foot work and a reverse punch to survive a real fight and they are 100% incomplete martial artists.

[@rcc8347]

@@spartanlukas where is the reverse punch in this video?

[@spartanlukas]

@@rcc8347 I've practiced both Shotokan and Goju Ryu, Shotokan focuses on primarily the reverse punch. Shotokan focuses on just one punch too much. Do you not understand or just have a low attention span? There are plenty of examples of that Gaku Tsuki in the video.

[@rcc8347]

@@spartanlukas I know you’re lying cos gyaku zuki is not ippon