Should Deer Hunters Harvest Does? Yes! See Why and When to Harvest Does (

Pro Staffer Daniel Stefanoff has a hunting property in Oklahoma where the native habitat is low quality. He's worked to improve the native habitat, established food plots and is now seeing some nice bucks! With more deer using the farm, Daniel knew it was time to take out some does and work toward balancing the number of deer (mouths) with the amount of quality forage on the farm. Watch the hunt and Grant's explanation on how to tell when it's time to harvest does.
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At GrowingDeer.tv we're all about showing hunters what we are doing each week in the field as we work on our Proving Grounds and others to have better deer hunting! If The hunting strategies and techniques we show can be used if you are hunting public or private land. Our farm has wild, free-ranging deer. If we can grow big antlers on these tough Ozark Mountain bucks, you can too! Good wildlife management tactics, deer management, and food plots with regenerative ag techniques that build better soils! Watch our weekly episodes to see what we're doing, the advice that Dr. Grant Woods (Ph.D Wildlife Biologist) has to share along the way.
0:00 - Intro
2:26 - Hunt
10:38 - Impact on Food Plots
11:58 - Pass?
12:25 - EHD Outbreak
13:10 - How?
13:40 - In Action
14:21 - When?

[@FarmallFanatic]

Tagged my first 4.5 year old Pennsylvania buck yesterday. This has been a 9 year journey that started right here on Growingdeer.tv. I knew nothing then...thanks for helping me make it happen Grant.

[@keithlewis8238]

Congrats. Public land?

[@GrowingDeerTV]

That is awesome! Congratulations and thanks for sharing. I'm very happy for you!

[@afireinside33110]

Thankful to be up in a tree thankful my family is healthy, that exactly how I feel

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Amen!

[@mela3054]

Thank you Dr. Woods for posting this one. Very few hunters I visit with understand the importance of a balanced deer herd with their habitat. Out here in west Texas, if you don't, your herd can get in trouble in a hurry. I have seen it several times, and it is not something you want to see...

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Thanks and I agree!

[@hvlineman5227]

I’ve been managing my farm for 18 years with the guidance of Mr Woods videos. When someone asks me if it’s better to harvest older or younger does, I revert back to something Grant said in a video years ago.. “The best doe to harvest, is the first one that gives you the opportunity “..

[@GrowingDeerTV]

That advice is still correct!

[@jrwarrior1100]

Back once again Dr Grant ....something I’m taking to season with me this year to show and educate camp

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Have fun!

[@jimstaub2308]

Great message Dr. Woods. Thank you.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Thanks for watching and sharing the kind words!

[@blakeatkins231]

Wow, I just found your channel and it is exactly what I needed. I’ve been hunting since I was a kid but never had much guidance so I’ve been doing my best to learn more and more every year. I see where you’ve helped analyze a property for someone in the past. I’ve got a Missouri property that I would love help with analyzing, though I know I’m one of many! Regardless, great content!

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Blake - Thanks for watching and sharing the kind words!

[@sonsofthunder3100]

I've always liked to harvest does all season. So far no luck. I have a small 44 acre property, and we've had a very wet year, approaching 100 inches of rain since January 2020. Between flooded river/creek bottoms, to wet growing conditions for my food plots, I'm not seeing the deer I normally do. But I'm not getting discouraged, this is part of loving the outdoors and recognizing the blessings I have to have my own place, small as it may be, and to have health and family to work this and enjoy my efforts with! We may not tag as many deer this year, but considering the year many people have had, I know how blessed I am! God is good! Even when life throws challenges great and small our way! Great video! Great message!

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Amen!

[@johnathonarnold9070]

We have lots of does in Va! Also that new sight was pretty nifty. I usually range landmarks if they are available like a tree or stone and use that since shooting opportunities happen so quickly sometimes

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Johnathon - The Oracle sight does work well!

[@frederikvanweezendonk1124]

Johnathon, Where in VA? I’m in Loudoun County...We’re overrun with deer. Happily, my neighbor just gave me permission to retrieve any deer if I’m blessed (and lucky) enough to get one. Though some neighbors are anti-hunting, she said she’s sick of them eating her flowers 🙂. Glad she’s reasonable...not everyone around here is like that. Erik

[@johnathonarnold9070]

@@frederikvanweezendonk1124 im down in Pittsylvania county and henry county. We have have lots of deer but with all the hot weather and hurricane rain ( my rain gauge had 9 inches this week) hunting has been lousy. Deer seem to be only moving after dark.

[@goldenteeth4498]

Thx for an another educational video. U do not know how I do like watching them. Keep up the good work👌👍😊😀😉😁☺️👆✌️greetings fro europe

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Thanks for sharing the encouraging words! What country do you live in? Do you hunt there?

[@goldenteeth4498]

@@GrowingDeerTV I live in Austria|Europe. No, I am not a hunter at the moment, but I am planning to do my hunting exam so I can go hunting. Without this exm nobody is allowed to go hunt. The exam consists of a theoretically part and 666a shooting part.

[@justinhamptonoutdoors9092]

Already have taken 2 Does off 2 Separate Farms we own. I use a Head count to acre ratio and it seems to work good for us.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Great! But the amount of quality forage produced per acre varies a lot. It's important that the doe harvest is enough to insure the habitat can produce enough forage that there's good groceries for deer and other critters year round!

[@mattcantrell7909]

I wish everyone would watch this video! So many “old timers” where I live still believe in not shooting does. It’s slightly ridiculous.

[@timothyhowell7047]

Yea you can't change a old timers mind. My grandpa passed away at 75. Never killed a doe in his life. Like I've always heard, that was a cardinal sin to shoot a doe back in the day. I'll wap one in a heartbeat

[@00_ELECTRICWIZARD_00]

What was reasoning of not shooting does back then?

[@mattcantrell7909]

@@00_ELECTRICWIZARD_00 the deer population then wasn’t near what it is now back then. My dad tells me when he was younger there weren’t many deer around. I’m assuming that has something to do with it

[@timothyhowell7047]

@@mattcantrell7909 yea I don't know the full reason. I'm sure population had a lot to do with it. Especially in northern Florida where they lived.

[@00_ELECTRICWIZARD_00]

@@mattcantrell7909 that makes sense. I’m first generation hunter in my family and I don’t get to hear all the great old wives tales and myths of hunting haha. I wish I did though, I’m always interested why older hunters did things a certain way.

[@jeremyc.3848]

Already got 2 does on the ground. We need to harvest them this year

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Congratulations!

[@gregstabryla9945]

Always good advice from your channel, thanks Doc.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Thanks Greg!

[@0munkey0numberZERO]

This is my first year hunting... lol I will take anything if I’m lucky

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Great! Enjoy hunting and the venison!

[@shawnmartin6434]

Good luck and stay with it

[@brentbusick2245]

Good luck. Pay attention because there’s something to learn during almost every hunt. Welcome to our passion. Enjoy!

[@jskoutdoors7640]

Good luck it took me 4 years to get my first! Stick with it even though it can get frustrating it is worth it!

[@chrise4994]

Hi Growing Deer TV team. I’d like to see you guys put out a video on deer carcass disposal. The do’s and don’t’s. Thanks in advance.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Great suggestion!

[@tylerjames848]

I shoot for meat and does are way better than bucks when I comes to eating. Also doe managed is great.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Tyler - Great! We always work to fill our freezer also!

[@Animal.Husbandry]

Amazing video Thanks for Sharing!!!

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Thanks for watching!

[@Animal.Husbandry]

@@GrowingDeerTV Thanks

[@alexblevins7365]

Love your videos keep it up👍

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Alex - Thanks!

[@benkellar9970]

You have too. They taste great and helps keep the population health

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Thanks Ben!

[@Jimmy_955]

I have never seen any deer like y’all grow

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Enjoy the videos!

[@Jimmy_955]

Yes sir I love the videos

[@Jimmy_955]

I love the videos

[@evancrissman1226]

When setting a time to hunt have you ever used DeerCast by the Drury's? If so do you think its accurate?

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Evan - I'm concerned about the best conditions for me to hunt and not alert deer. Deer are active daily. However ,when the humidity is high, etc., they can bust me much easier.

[@MrDavidelliottjr]

When I'm hungry. No worries. All I need is one big one.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

I hope you have a great season!

[@MrDavidelliottjr]

@@GrowingDeerTV do every year sence i was young. Never left a season with out at least 5. Thats the least for me. 5.

[@chasesantiago3176]

I’m going today and tomorrow during youth guns season in Ohio and gonna take 2-4 does for myself and for a friend who wasn’t able to get out this year due to and injury so I’m gonna fill his tags with some big does.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Chase - Have fun!

[@chasesantiago3176]

@@GrowingDeerTV I got 2 this morning so I tag one and gave the other to my friend and I’m going out again and see if I can get another but he said he’s thankful for the meat. They were both probably 150 lbs ungutted so they were mature does and were ready to be taken out.

[@j.cooper2246]

Like that camo Daniel is wearing..is it predator brown?... like that pattern for tree stand.let me know.thanks

[@GrowingDeerTV]

J. Cooper - It's THLETE - Checkout THLETE.com

[@elijahmuzzin5833]

Nice video

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Thanks

[@jasonzimmerman288]

So bad in Virginia we have EAB, earn a buck across most of Northern VA. Only preditors have 4 wheels. Insurance statistics, 10% of claims in the state are deer colision related. My wife swears they run into her...all 3 times.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Jason - There are lots of deer in northern VA!

[@johncaputo205]

I wonder how that oracle compares to my garmin xero.. Either way there both game changers.. I love my garmin.. Will never go back go a regular sight again.. Good luck everyone

[@GrowingDeerTV]

John - They are nice!

[@zekeramirez5303]

Holy 👀 went through the whole thing

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Zeke - I don't understand.

[@zekeramirez5303]

@@GrowingDeerTV sorry the arrow almost went straight through the deer,that’s what I meant 😐

[@LillyLegacyWWOD]

Here in Florida they have limited each hunter to a maximum of two does a year, unbelievable. The major highway through our county takes out way more deer than any hunter.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Jared - If you are in south Florida, the panthers are taking a lot of deer so they need to reduce the hunter bag limit.

[@LillyLegacyWWOD]

@@GrowingDeerTV I live up in the panhandle, only about 30 mins south of Alabama. Panthers are only a legend here. We are growing a sizable population of black bears, the state did away with the season a long time ago. So now bears roam unchecked. We also have a large population of coyotes. I’m sure between coyotes and bears, plenty of deer get picked off but I still think the main cause of death rides on 4 wheels down the highway.

[@timothywalker9398]

Man the knot on the chest on that buck at 1:20

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Timothy - Good observation!

[@LDBoone]

In Virginia where I'm at there will be 20 does in a field and maybe 1 small buck. It's ridiculous. Only one doe tag allowed. 2 doe days. No browse in the woods up to 5 ft high. With our game laws and mismanagement of public lands there are barely any deer in National forests. Private land is good but not for mature bucks. No one shoots does but will take a young buck.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

L.D. - Sounds like some work to do there!

[@LDBoone]

@@GrowingDeerTV yep. I'm having a hunting party this year on doe day. Have 130+ acres, I'll do what's necessary. Great videos BTW. Thanks

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

If you could harvest your does early. Or late. When would you do it. I guess I am asking in a perfect world. But is it better early or late

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Travis - It's best to harvest does early. This saves forage for the remaining deer and improves the adult sex ratio before the rut!

[@mulespur4806]

We are allowed 3 anterless and one trophy in north texas. And without taking does I would never get any most years. Because of pressure on big bucks

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Mule - Great source of venison!

[@timothyhowell7047]

Our club and the two clubs around us have a rule. Bow season and the first 2 weeks of gun season is doe only. Unless it's a really nice mature buck. Needless to say we still have to many does. But the everything is alot healthier. From the deer to the food and the smaller game including turkeys. More food not only helps the deer herd but it helps all the other animals that feed on and benefit from the food. Another great episode full of very useful knowledge

[@timothyhowell7047]

@J-Brown Adventures it's crazy how all the different states have different seasons. Our gun season starts tomorrow and runs till Jan 11th when the season goes out.

[@timothyhowell7047]

@J-Brown Adventures GA. We are definitely fortunate to have this type of season. I think it's a good idea especially for older hunters or disabled hunters who can't bow hunt unless a crossbow is legal.

[@timothyhowell7047]

@J-Brown Adventures yea making crossbows legal was one of the smartest things they've done. They've been legal here for a while also. I like to to bow hunt, but honestly I'd rather be sitting here in my box stand with my 7mag by my side.

[@timothyhowell7047]

@J-Brown Adventures this is the first year we have seen them on our property. So far only about four or five running around. Well minis one a guy shot Friday morning.

[@timothyhowell7047]

@J-Brown Adventures you dang right a boar charge will. My cousin shot one a couple years ago in south ga and when he started tracking it the thing went to the swamp turned around and was waiting and grunting when my cousin tracked in there and it charged him lucky he was ready and shot him in the head and dropped him. I hate them things.

[@P0cketSand]

Cross timbers? Like in Love Co cross timbers? To say the habit in that area is not favorable is highly inaccurate.....if we are talking about the same area anyway. My wife's research company has ranches in that area and they regularly turn out 150"+ deer as it's a rule for hunting those properties. I'm so jealous of that property either way!

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Britton - When managed properly, the Cross Timbers area can be very productive. However, fire has been excluded from most of that area and non native species are common.

[@P0cketSand]

@@GrowingDeerTV are we talking about the same area?

[@drewpeterson2588]

How do we know -signs etc that tell us we have to removedoes.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Drew - The habitat should provide quality forage throughout year, including the two common stress periods of late summer and late winter!

[@IntuitiveUniversity]

I hate to break it to you but this is a matter of opinion because it totally depends on the deer population density per area. I'm with you on harvesting Does but this year I will be letting my Ohio doe permit slide and as a PA resident, if I had a PA doe tag I'd be using it. Northeast Ohio deer numbers are down. I spent countless hours in the Ohio woods after quickly harvesting my PA buck. With good observation I've decided it would be better for me not to fill my third tag which is an Ohio doe management permit. The deer numbers are just not there on public land in NE Ohio and the number of hunters in north East Ohio is out of this world. Ohio is in great need of revising there permit system.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

James - I agree and always share that doe harvest should be based on the amount of available quality forage during the late summer and late winter - the two common stress periods.

[@fouroakslogger7892]

What was that pile of stuff in the field towards the end of the video? Sweet potatoes maybe

[@lisaannaallen6283]

looks like gravel

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Just rocks - that farm is very rocky.

[@fouroakslogger7892]

@@GrowingDeerTV thanks

[@devindiebel8410]

i went out last night and shot a small doe. i hit back and low and there was gut blood on my arrow. but when i was tracking her there was lots of dark red blood. so im thinking i got liver as well. i’m going out in a few to try and find her because i couldn’t last night. any guess how far she went?

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Devin - Sorry I'm just now responding. I hope you recovered the doe!

[@billycox4697]

You guys ever thought about modifying arrow set ups to improve penetration? Almost all deer shot in this video failed to get a pass through. Those are does- imagine a marginal hit, perhaps bone on a big buck.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Billy - My objective is for the deer do go down quickly and our setups are built accordingly.

[@mosesv8977]

At my dad we have a giant buck right behind his house

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Great! Get out there!

[@mosesv8977]

Trying only 12 years old

[@LouStoriale]

I’m curious why the blue camo when you can see blue

[@GrowingDeerTV]

L.S. It may be your monitor, etc., as there's no blue in the THLETE camo pattern.

[@Jimmy_955]

We have a lot of does so we will thin them out

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Early season is the time!

[@langheldphoto]

Please start saving the shanks! They are so good for roasts and pulled meat. All it takes is some time in a crock pot. Everytime I see you cleaning a deer it seems like everything under the "knee" and "elbow" joint goes in the scrap bin. That's some seriously good eating going to waste. 😩

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Good point Britt!

[@langheldphoto]

Thanks for all the amazing information that you put out for free! Shank meat in a Crock-Pot with some dried chilis and seasonings makes THE BEST venison taco meat due to the collagen and bone marrow breaking down in the slow cooker, with the added benefit of not having to bone it out. It'll shred right of the bone and all the silver skin breaks down as well.

[@reigngage]

See insta-pot barbacoa recipe...great with shanks and necks

[@remnard1]

That is some loud camo you’ve got on.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Remnard - Checkout THLETE.com.

[@remingtonsmith734]

Ik how you feel so my uncle brother little brother dad and mom last year killed over 150 in deer but I was stuck with the does

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Wow! That's a lot of deer. How many acres were you guys hunting?

[@remingtonsmith734]

I have no clue becasue im 11

[@remingtonsmith734]

But if I was to round I’d guess 450

[@jasonnester9514]

Doe harvest has decreased for two reasons Lotta states don’t allow many doe tags and most guys don’t bother with em Anymore cause all they wanna kill are big bucks and they forget that doe harvest is crucial to growing amd harvesting big bucks

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Jason - Which states have decreased the number of doe tags? I'm just curious. Thanks!

[@patriotsheepdog]

Dang. A lot of expandables and light arrows being used. Terrible penetration on those does.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Mobius - It seems when the doe goes down in sight all is well. I hope hunters will focus on being united versus putting each other down. Don't you agree?

[@sarb6p55]

It must be nice to have money to buy your own land I neen trying to save my money to buy property but there is always something else happening that I fall short

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Gym - Tracy and I worked and saved for years. It's a process and commitment. I hope you have a great year and make progress toward your goals!

[@stevepalmateer]

would pin cherries be considered a species of smilax?

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Stephen - I don't know what pin cherries are. That may be a local term.

[@stevepalmateer]

@@GrowingDeerTV en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_pensylvanica - I guess they're not anything like smilax.

[@JLC87420]

I’m sure where he’s at the max amount of does he can take out is 4 which is about 80 percent of the state and the other 20 is 2 max per year.

[@JLC87420]

@J-Brown Adventures you know there’s these things called zones and if you take more animals than allowed in the zone you can lose your hunting license there bub. And your talking about deer in total and I’m talking about does in general but I guess you just read what you want to out of the hunting regulations. Freaking know it alls.

[@JLC87420]

@J-Brown Adventures once again you might want to read the regulations again because obviously you are to backwoods to understand it. Or you might be related to the brown in Cleveland county that likes to spotlight deer at 11pm on public land next to a prison.

[@JLC87420]

@J-Brown Adventures www.wildlifedepartment.com/Magazine/2020_2021_Regulations/index.html#p=44 Page 53 I’m sure you can read that just fine can’t you.

[@JLC87420]

@J-Brown Adventures I’m not wrong read the link 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JLC87420]

@J-Brown Adventures I guess I’m still not being clear enough like page 55 there’s those zones where it caps you out, technically speaking if you live in what zones 2,7 and 8 you can have a total of 8 deer including the holiday anltlerless season but the cross timbers section like he’s talking about which is zones 5,6,9 and maybe parts of 2(I don’t hunt up there so I don’t know the land) capped out at 2 antlerless. Which is the way my game warden neighbor explained it to me years ago because of their studies.

[@cjr4497]

I am tired of all these so called experts telling everyone to shoot does without going over all of the caveats. My club did it without a true professional opinion based on our property, and all we ended up with was bad hunting and a bunch of gay bucks. Via camera survey we had 2-3 bucks for every doe after only two years of blasting away at does. Our deer sightings went from seeing 1-4 deer almost every hunt to seeing 10 or less deer per season per hunter the third year. Our bucks vanished onto the neighbors during the rut which we learned from them no longer being on camera and gun fire across the border. We didn't kill a singe mature buck for 3 years. We had to go to a 4 doe limit on a 1000 acre club with 12 members to bring the herd back. We didn't consider predation on fawns, natural death of deer and fawns, nor did we consider our own landscape. We just waxed the does because we figured we had too many and all the TV people spout off about today is killing does to improve things. In regality we never had too many does in the first place. It took 4 years of 4 does to correct the issue.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

CJR - As I explained this this and other videos, doe harvest should be based on the amount of quality forage available, especially during the late summer and late winter. If there's not enough forage for the local deer population during the stress periods, then does need to be harvested. Gay bucks. Come on. In addition, lots of research shows that bucks don't leave their home range just to seek does. Survival is the primary objective of deer and they know the risky and safe areas best in their home range.

[@cjr4497]

@@GrowingDeerTV I hear you, but 95% of hunters out there don't know how to determine that. I didn't really mean the bucks were actually gay, LOL. Although I thought is saw some sparkly lights and heard bass thumps coming from the woods one late night at the camp fire. It takes a very well-trained eye to be able to tell how much forge there is and how much deer that forge can sustain. A decision like that needs to be left up to a professional. I never hear that from "experts" making videos on the subject. The variables are never discussed: how big is your property, what are the neighbors are doing, what is the predator situation, what is the latitude, rate of natural disasters, and so on... The issue is too nuansed to put into a short video. Via a state study my area was found to have a lowly 15-23% fawn survival rate due to predation from black bear, coyote, bobcat, and wild hogs. The worst thing we could have done was kill all those does. The club I spoke of used to be in a state doe program where a biologist would come out and tell you how many does should be killed and issue tags. He understood the area. Well, they were not issuing enough tags according to the founding members whose minds were polluted by TV shows. They knew better than the biologists. The state program was dropped, the does got slaughtered, and no monsters appeared as the horn porn television programs preached. Lesson learned. I killed one good deer after our problem was corrected and got out along with a few others. The greed of the founding members became too great to bear as more mature deer showed up in daylight. All in the name of horns friendships were lost, traditions were ended, and more hunters were displaced. Good job deer industry.

[@MichaelforGod]

I get 6 tags a year..2 bucks 4 doe...I fill my tags and in nc you can go back and get doe tags which I do plus I have 2 sons that hunt also

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Excellent!

[@wtfmate49]

woof thats a questionable camo pattern

[@matthewrichards7621]

Actually I think that's a pretty good pattern for that tree. It looks bright to us but to a deer that sees mostly black and white he blends right in with the shapes of the tree

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Matthew is correct !

[@handlaidtrack]

Anytime they come under me.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Lots of venison!

[@charlienutt3941]

When to harvest does? When you need meat,horns are awfully hard to eat

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Charlie - When there's more deer than quality forage.

[@fergieferguson2457]

Why the whispering

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Fergy - habitat - incase other deer are in the area.

[@CK-yi6pc]

Bow hunters harvest a bunch,,,, they just rarely tag any ! Keep wounding and releasing, way too many deer !

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Carl - Why do you say such? Do you have research or just assumptions?

[@lisaannaallen6283]

piss poor camo , glows under uv light!!!!!!

[@GrowingDeerTV]

LB - Goodness - it seems to be working! It seems in the field is the best test.

[@fnqrbasher6796]

KZbin reads my mind..... my goal this year is trying to kill mostly doe's then I see this in recommended lol wtf

[@GrowingDeerTV]

I hope you meet your objective!

[@goofyfoot2001]

No longer a fan of shooting deer. Bows are more humane and require more skill.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Just enjoy the hunt - no matter what weapon you use!

[@kentuckyearl8202]

Non hunters and anti hunters need to watch this. Understanding the role that hunters play in the management and well being of wildlife far surpasses screaming crying bleeding hearts who support PETA and their veiled evil agenda.

[@GrowingDeerTV]

Kentucky - Folks that take positions based on their emotions rarely listen to logic. We'd need a different approach. Thanks though - I like your heart!