Should Disney Demolish Space Mountain?

Quite simply put, has Space Mountain at the Magic Kingdom reached its shelf life? Should it be demolished and replaced?
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[@prepare2qualify111]

No, I'm all for redoing the track as it's a bit rough, though. You cannot simply just discard one of the most classic rides of all time.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Indeed!

[@lexierosevideos]

And tower of terror

[@kimmomagic]

Walt Disney demolished and rebuilt the whole of Tommorowland at Disneyland. He was all about change. He'd be horrified that the parks contain these museum pieces instead of new and exciting attractions.

[@DaniTechGuy]

i agree this is one of the most classic rides, has such a nostalgic feel to it. Fixing the rails and the themeing a little might be the best option.

[@selfishbeats]

perhaps it deserves a long run and a retrack. but it having immunity forever isn't really fair provided Disney can come up with better stuff.

[@demetreasandrews]

I love how terrifying space mountain is in Magic Kingdom, I feel like I'm about to fall out of the car. But I wouldn't mind a track refresh as long as it's not a carbon copy of Disneyland.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I agree with that. Since Magic Kingdom's Space Mountain is so much larger, a clone of Disneyland's would be a waste of the building.

[@chrisradstorgoff7715]

I'm always feel unsafe on Space Mountain. I feel that it would benefit from a fresh track and many updates but I don't have much faith in current Disney Management or Imagineering to leave it a greater experience in general. Most likely the usual lesser experience post refresh.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

@@chrisradstorgoff7715 That definitely seems to be the trend, but I think the idea of Space Mountain is simple enough that it would be difficult to mess up.

[@cmeller55]

@@chrisradstorgoff7715 the unsafe feeling of space mountain is what makes it fun for me!

[@lohphat]

Due to space constraints (get it!?) all but two turns in SM @ DL are all left turns -- it's basically a spiral track to the left with the two right turns at the end.

[@CodyRushDriving]

Nostalgia will always take precedent in my book. A new Space Mountain might be more "thrilling" or "enjoyable" but ...I don't go to Disney to be thrilled. There's plenty of coaster parks for that. I go there to remember experiences, and days when things were simpler, brighter, and full of wonder for tomorrow.

[@GoldenfoxxPrime]

I've gotten the distinct feeling as of late that just suggesting that nostalgia is why something should be there is the surest way to get Disney brass to decide to remove it. There's been a real anti-nostalgia, nostalgia-is-the-enemy-of-progress mentality about the creative world, and that lack of attention or care to the past and the reasons people actually feel a connection to it is, I feel, destroying properties left and right these days. One of these days, they'll realize that it's just not true to say nostalgia and progress are enemies, and hopefully that's before everything people love is gone. But with Disney, they keep making changes, and attendance keeps skyrocketing, so I have a bad feeling about it where it ends up.

[@YouConquer]

If nostalgia is what takes precedence then Dis doesn't fit that much anyone. Insanely long lines, a clearly unhappy staff in general, cheaply refurbished rides, not providing a viable Fast pass, constantly having to look at your iPhone to get on rides, cheap merchandise everywhere at incredible prices with boring, outdated cheaply done rides new and old is what it is now. It won't change until more people stop spending their money and going. Which they were down 17% in park attendance this yr. as proof many people have had enough. The Mouse and friends have clearly been topped/replaced by The Simpsons (Longest running show ever now) and Harry Potter. Compare just the villages and rides of those two to anything Disney offers today and at 1/3rd the cost with the ability to get a daily Express pass included in the price of your Hotel along with the fact that Disney's, "Food" is vile anywhere u go and it's easy to ignore Disney until they change back to what it once was built for. Everyone which is impossible with what they charge today. Our wallets firmly vote the Nostalgia of Universal now and look forward to another great park as long as they don't take the Disney route ever and even improve their own which is needed so it's not perfect.

[@jimbokay5696]

Don't demolish the structure!!! This is the "mountain" that stands out above the other park's versions...it's huge!! ...and it's iconic

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

True, I think the only mountain that lives up to this one is in Disneyland Paris. I don't know anything about that showbuilding, but I'm assuming because of its more intense nature, it's probably a similar size?

[@robertporter6641]

It was cool that I could see Space Mountain on my flight home. I couldn’t even identify Cinderella Castle but I could identify that huge white building from the air.

[@IGuessThisIsHello]

The 80’s theme of Space Mountain is so cool and nostalgic and the roller coaster, at least for me, is not nearly as rough as it is made out to be. It’s just a really awesome ride.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I'm not sure that I agree it's an 80s theme. It very much seems rooted in 1970s sci-fi aesthetics.

[@IGuessThisIsHello]

@@PoseidonEntertainment Ah yes, 70s

[@robertforster8984]

Space Mountain was built in 1975.

[@jaydenswift9856]

They replaced the track in Anaheim the way it was they can do it here too. Just don't change it it's like a landmark attraction at this point. And never stop the entrance music it's beautiful

[@chrisirish3532]

Internally take it apart and redesign the ride for a smoother experience. Keep the theme- the style, and the feel of the ride though. There’s nothing like the experience of riding space mountain. You do feel the excitement of the unknown as you see next to nothing at times. And at least for me I feel that amazing experience of possibly feeling like I’m in space flying amongst the stars.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Oh yeah for sure. If Disney were to redo the track, I'm absolutely confident that the ride wouldn't feel too much different. Despite having quite the different track layout, Disneyland's Space Mountain manages to emulate a lot of what Magic Kingdom is going for, but just in a more contemporary way.

[@Shi_gai]

I’m almost 6’ and always rode Space Mountain with my hands up the entire time and have never hit anything (the most painful part is not being able to brace for the drops and turns and banging my torso on the sides of the car). Despite that I’ve found that there’s been varying light levels every time I’ve been on it and any time there’s slightly more light than usual and the supports are just barely visible it definitely creates the illusion that the supports are lower than they actually are.

[@Shi_gai]

And I personally think if they do refresh the ride the best they could do is to redo only the track, ride effects and cars. Keep the same layout, queue, etc. since I feel like modernizing it would create a disconnect between the actual ride and exterior. But a smoother track, possibility for overlays and better cars while keeping the terrifying wild mouse design would add more longevity to the ride for at least a few more decades.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I go to Disney often enough that I notice how inconsistent lighting is on dark rides. Space Mountain is definitely one of those rides that seems to change day-to-day as far as light levels set. It's really strange that there's no consistency.

[@BungieStudios]

@@PoseidonEntertainment I'm afraid of losing life and limb on Space Mountain. Been that way since I was a small kid. Haha.

[@jonathanandersen778]

6:47 , I’ve actually reach and touched the ceiling in the tunnels. I got a static shock but that was it.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I'll take your word for it. I'm not about to test this lol

[@fearandloathing42]

Can Confirm, it's a shocking experience.

[@SunnylandProds]

@@fearandloathing42 Guest: I got shocked! Me: Did you put your hands up in the tunnel? Guest: Yes. Me: Well, there you go. There’s no live electricity, it’s just static like a plastic playground slide.

[@SunnylandProds]

@@fearandloathing42 No, I know, my point is that this is a common exchange I have with guests when I’m at unload.

[@agvulpine]

@@SunnylandProds would the park allow an hour where all the guests (in each of the cars) are given bright flashlights to shine at every angle while moving through the ride? I think it'd be a mind blowing experience and a serious temptation if I won some money.

[@audrag.4756]

WDW's Space Mountain was the first coaster I ever went on (I was 12). Prior to that, I was actually terrified of the idea I'm going on a roller coaster. Due to reasons, I was forced to go on. And I loved it! If it wasn't for that ride, I don't think I'd be the coaster junkie I am today. Plus, I have so many great memories on that coaster. I'd hate to see it be changed TOO much. But some slight upgrades might be nice.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Agreed, I share a lot of nostalgia for the track, even if I leave with a bit of bruising. I almost consider that part of the fun

[@stevendadaian3516]

I would like to see a refresh of the track. I’m a Southern California resident that has been on Disneyland’s version maybe 100+ times. I recently went to Disney World and was very disappointed by the Florida version. It was just rough and seemed old. To be clear, I don’t have a bias toward my home Space Mountain. I was looking forward to a new version. So please refresh it but don’t make a copy of Disneyland. And never ever remove it. Side note: I did go the Magic Kingdom during a Halloween party and was confused by the lack stars. Thanks for the explanation. I can also backup the statement that the vanilla version of Disneyland’s is better than the themed ones. Not sure why though.

[@marklehnowsky352]

Space Mountain is a great ride. I’ve ridden over 200 different coasters, and Space Mountain is still in my top 20. It is my current favorite in Florida and will probably stay that way until Iron Gwazi or Velocicoaster opens. Yes. I have been on everything at SeaWorld, BG, Universal, Fun Spot, and Disney. Space Mountain is GREAT!!!!!

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I'm surprised, I thought you would have at least said Mako. But I get it. I think that Space Mountain is incredibly unique in what it offers.

[@ThomasKrul]

I'm one of those Disney World fans who grew up with the original rides (my parents took my brother and I there the first year it opened - we were quite young) and I love that 60's/70's vision of the future. Scrap the track if you have to, but those dioramas have to stay. They give everyone that wonderful sense of "future past", everything that goes around comes around (the influences of Syd Mead abound in modern automotive design... and let's not forget that the neighbouring Tron ride's vehicles are based on designs by Syd Mead), and it makes a great retro future concept for the theming of the ride.

[@mattrost2574]

After having ridden Space Mountain's second-half with the lights on, and seeing how slow we were going, I realized that this ride is 99% about the lighting and effects. The actual ride is bumpy, slow and antiquated. I would encourage rebuilding the track.

[@myrealnameisjohndoe116]

Isn't it fascinating to see the ride lit up? I got to experience Disneyland's Space Mountain lit up(apparently there was a "popcorn spill", and the operators needed to clean up the mess), and I enjoyed it just as much lit up, just in a different way than how I normally would enjoy it.

[@agvulpine]

I would love to ride Space Mountain again, and try each of the different incarnations, including Paris, Tokyo and Hong Kong. But most of all, I would love to ride the Magic Kingdom version where everyone in each of the cars have bright flashlights and can shine them all around. I think that would look absolutely amazing, seeing all the moving cars lighting up the entire structure from every angle while riding through it. I don't think my brain could handle the experience.

[@nadrewod999]

Whether or not Space Mountain has reached the end of its shelf life, allow me to ask a more important question: Do you really want Space Mountain to be replaced at a time when Disney's CEO is an infamous penny-pincher and when the latest "thrill rides" added to the park are either "extremely low capacity rides relying heavily on very complicated tech" (Rise of the Resistance) or "poorly themed and watered down to the point of being more bland than Goofy's Barnstormer" (Seven Dwarfs' Mine Train)? In my opinion, the aging Space Mountain, even with all its faults, is still better than anything that modern Disney is capable of replacing it with.

[@dopaminecoasters]

I hope that Disney would not replace the Space Mountain track. The ride wouldn’t be as fun as it is without the bumpiness of the track, and re-doing the track comes with the risk of it becoming too tame and loosing all of its great airtime. I hope that space Mountain always stays as it is.

[@busdriver1275]

I limped away from my last ride in Space Mountain at Magic Kingdom. It's an insanely rough ride. I think they should refurb it with a smoother track. I've always favored Disneyland's version because it doesn't make me feel like I need to see a chiropractor after riding the way Magic Kingdom's does.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Agreed. I love it, but always with the expense of a bruise or two.

[@nathanblalock7019]

I’m 5’10’’/5’11’, with proportionally long legs. Having ridden both versions 6 months apart at the age of 21 in 2018/2019, I can confirm that MK’s trains are a pain to get in and out of, and far more cramped and less comfortable than DL’s trains.

[@suburbiawitch6757]

I came to say the same thing. Granted my friends and I are starting to get older, but we just rode last month and we were all hurting after. This is going to have to be a pass next trip to DW unless they update the track. I’m only 5’4” and forgot how awkward it was to get in and out of the cars. I cant imagine how difficult it is for someone who is actually tall.

[@mindyschocolate]

I have the same problem with the Matterhorn. I can’t ride that ride anymore, and I’m still young!

[@RockySheperd]

HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST THEY DEMOLISH SPACE MOUNTAIN!!!!!!!😡😡😡😡

[@zekesstickmation]

Sir you have said the best thing 🫡

[@YouConquer]

You accurately pointed out that Space Mountain is 1 of 3 of their top rides and our personal favorites. We were fortunate enough that when we went to DIS 3 yrs ago the last thing we did was ride it 5 X's in a row after receiving some additional fast passes by one of the few kind employees on another ride after repeated magic band issues. It was also the 1st ride we hit when the park opened for the day. Being able to ride it over and over again like that was a dream and something we probably wont be able to do ever again forever being 1 of the actual positive memories of being at the former, "Magic Kingdom". The kids and us just love it. My #1 ride both from a nostalgic and modern day point of view of being able to share it with our children. The jarring and roughness of the ride in the dark themed in a Space atmosphere is part of the reason we love it as it is. However, I see no reason that an upgrade would deter from that and we would enjoy it either way. Problem is that because the park as a whole is fairly boring today with a real lack of great rides, no ability to reasonably get off and back on the way we did without paying additional ride fees we will go to Universal instead every time by passing on the overpriced and cheaply done Disney parks altogether and being thrilled we do. That being said, Best thing about the Main park IS Space Mountain. I have doubt Tron (Which few have any connections to IMO) will be like other new Disney rides like Slinky Dog. Overhyped, insanely long lines, no viable Fast pass and incredibly overpriced stuffed with a merchandising store filled with cheaply, overpriced garbage no one wants or needs.

[@colinc.6191]

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[@PoseidonEntertainment]

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[@infinity_blu]

Ikr

[@hattree]

What I've always loved about Space Mountain is knowing it's only going 27 MPH. I always laugh at people who are scared of it.

[@FTKComputer]

Personally I think they should keep the outside shell but design a new track. I feel like Space Mountain is beautifully nostalgic for many of us, but comes up short as the "thrill ride" it was back when it was created. Ive seen young children come off space mountain nowadays and be unimpressed (same with thunder mountain). I think keeping the same ideas while creating new more thrilling rides would be better than creating all new rides. That way the iconic imagery and theming is consistent but still up to date.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I agree that the standard for what is considered to be a thrilling ride is now far beyond what Magic Kingdom is offering. I appreciate Space and Big Thunder Mountain for what they are, but these coasters appear to be quite tame compared to something like Hagrid's. While I understand that it's a family oriented coaster, Hagrid's continues to raise the bar on what family audiences will find acceptable for thrill level. The drop tracks themselves really push the family category of coaster.

[@axreacts]

Agree with this. Disney needs a legit top tier thrill ride. This would be the perfect chance to re-imagine Space Mountain and come back bigger and better.

[@FTKComputer]

@@axreacts I actually think thunder mountain needs it more than space mountain, especially because now there is the 7 dwarf mine train. An actually scary, well themed mine train ride would be so amazing.

[@princesskkay221]

I think space mountain needs to be re themed. It doesn’t look like your in space. I would expect the inside to look something like the top of spaceship earth. How cool would that be as you wiz around on a coaster in the dark with planets all around you. There is nothing space about space mountain: it’s just a dark ride

[@princesskkay221]

@@PoseidonEntertainment I think Tron might be that thrill ride magic kingdom needs

[@ha420weednumber]

Space Mountain has the best airtime of any Disney coaster and it's not even close. I'm down for a re-track and interior refurb, but that layout has to either stay the same or be a more intense version of the original. Maybe make the two tracks actually duel each other.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I do like the idea of them dueling. While not dueling per se, there is that chance on the lift hill that a rocket will come flying by and it's usually a jump scare. I like to yell as loudly as possible when it comes to that part, hoping that I'll startle the people going up the lift.

[@ha420weednumber]

@@PoseidonEntertainment I do the same. It's my favorite part of the ride.

[@emmaann7602]

The lack of safety regulations is what gives it the charm and thrill. They quite literally do not make them like that anymore. Now we have rides like web slingers which is on the way to safe side

[@curtis1740]

I’m all in for a light refresh, but it’s nice to have a few rides that are truly part of the history of Disney. It connects generations. I rode it with my parents in the eighties, and now get to experience it with my family. New is good, and important, but visits to Disney fulfill different parts of us as we grow up.

[@TheIndigoBros92]

Space Mountain is by far my favorite Magic Kingdom roller coaster, however many of the points that you raise on the beginning are precisely the complaints my sister and my mother had with this ride. I'm all for a total track replacement and use the layout from Disneyland (I mean, there is a reason why it has been also used for Tokyo and Hong Kong), however I would advocate for it to be done either on a larger scale or make it as a dual track. It would also make the update capable of adding the sobat and the side by side rockets to better accommodate guests and don't make them think they are about to fall off.

[@EnoughRhetoric]

Space Mountain is my favorite wild mouse of all time. I adore coasters with several hundred under my belt and this is by far the top of the class. It’s rough because it’s a wild mouse. They use sharp moves to create speed as a way of simulating speed so it’s perfect as is. They’d better not mess with it! Maintenance fine. Improving the effects, sure. Re-profiling the layout, Heresy!

[@coreymeram843]

To go with the holiday and star wars changes, I still remember when Disneyland Space Mountain did a Red Hot Chili Peppers "concert." They added different effects throughout the ride to add color and lights to the ride. Also the music was synced to change songs to match different drops. Was pretty cool.

[@theprinz9947]

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[@MorgusVR]

I like the sketchy death trap. I like the no projections. It's just a classic. I feel like updating it would be worse than what happened to the redhead in Pirates.

[@yousaysilver]

a complete redo on the track could be really interesting, especially with how much more disney has the capability to do now. i'd honestly love to see some new effects that they haven't tried before implemented with a smoother track

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I agree. While Space Mountain's strength is its atmosphere, a series of triggered events is now a real capability that could create a unique experience I would think.

[@yousaysilver]

@@PoseidonEntertainment definitely! it would also be interesting if they added some inversions to the ride as well, not being able to see those coming would really add to the whole ride in the dark experience

[@kylehill3643]

@@yousaysilver How about an option for those whom can't handle inversions.

[@yousaysilver]

@@kylehill3643 if there's two tracks there can be one with inversions and one without !

[@nathanblalock7019]

@@yousaysilver The new RMC Raptor coasters run with a single rail and cars that are single file but higher up than WDW’s SM trains. They almost all feature inversions, so Disney could potentially design an RMC raptor version of the ride featuring inversions and onboard audio (due to the bigger trains).

[@thetaz3910]

I live near Hershey Park, Hershey, PA. The park has one of the LAST Wooden frame roller coasters, built by American Indians, I am 76 yrs old and it was built just a year before I was born. It is old, well maintained, but you do get tossed around and you are not sure if the whole thing will stay together, but that is part of the thrill. The park has added about 6-7 new coasters over the years, but still the best is the Comet! I had a chance several years ago to ride space mountain for the first time. I was very impressed! It is a Disney Icon, to take it down would be removing part of the heart of Disney. To me, I wish I could return to Disney just one more time, but I think that will not be possible, I would be heart broken if Space Mountain were gone! By all means, make it safe, if need be bring it up to date, but Do Not Destroy it!!! Please

[@GameAGuy]

Space Mountain on a 1 to 10 scale is about an 8.5. If they so Demolish it I would only be ok if what they replaced it with was a new version of Space Mountain. I would like the ride to be me 35 to 50 seconds longer.

[@keepingitreal71]

NO! NO WAY! Just update the track... I remember going on this with my dad in 1984 and we loved it.... Still draws people... It is not disney without it....

[@neilengel3715]

As a Space Mountain ride operator in 1978, I definitely think the track is due for an update. WDW's SM is 100 feet wider than any of the others. You could put a good, long and kickass new track in it and add onboard audio. The ride is antiquated and needs to go.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Any interesting stories? Space Mountain seems to be the primary reason we have so many safety warnings today.

[@neilengel3715]

@@PoseidonEntertainment Oh I could write a book about it.

[@nathanblalock7019]

Now this comment is very telling.

[@zolanilla]

The whole attraction itself is pure nostalgia, they need to add disney magic to the space effects like stars and such, projections or whatever. Then it’s amazing.

[@nightisright1873]

You also gotta remember that Space Mountain has fans in it blowing air on you so it feels like your going faster

[@zydratehore]

Disneyland being my home park, it was quite jarring when I rode Magic Kingdoms version of Space Mountain. I foolishly sat in front, as I do back home and I was then in fear for my life. Needless to say I wasn’t ready for the sudden turns and thank god I made it out alive. I wouldn’t mind if they made it a lot smoother. Space Mountain is a classic and Disney would disappoint many fans if they got rid of the ride. I think if they redid the tracks and added the iconic music , it would great,y improve it

[@monovision566]

The sad truth is, it's still the most fun ride at Magic Kingdom until Tron opens. That park has neglected thrills for too long. If they replaced it with an update of the Paris version, or something in the Paris idiom, that would be smart. New restraints and everything else up to date. More of their parks need rides with appeal to teens and young adults. They should add on to the existing structure if possible, and do that. And definitely utilize the space for a better, single track.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I kind of disagree. I don't think that the Magic Kingdom needs to target that audience because Universal already does. What keeps Magic Kingdom popular is its classic attractions and that everything, including its thrill rides, is family oriented. It seems that Hollywood Studios went the thrill ride route and even then they're backtracking from it.

[@monovision566]

@@PoseidonEntertainment I think they should do both. When Space Mountain debuted, it was a "thrill ride." I grew up in California in the 80's and 90's, and even I didn't ride it until I was 10 or so. But it was still a sacred thing, and a goal, and a favorite once I met that goal. I suppose I just don't think Disney has to go one direction or the other. I think their appeal should be broad.

[@GregTurismo]

I went for the first time last week, and this was the first ride I went on in any Disney park. Somehow I didn’t think it felt rough, or dangerous, but I really enjoyed it and thought it was crazy being in a bear pitch black coaster. Definitely didn’t even think about putting my hands up for that reason and now I’m really glad we didn’t get stuck.

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[@damiankarrassj9225]

Going to be honest with you, i am from the UK and have been on Space Mountain in WDW but the best Space Mountain or Hyperspace Mountain is at Disneyland Paris. Its a massive thrill ride from being shot out of a cannon to going into the dark with special effects while going up side down and corkscrew at an amazing speed with music in the seats along the way. Its a beautiful design as well from the outside and have seen some guys from America on KZbin saying that this is the best ride for Space Mountain around the Disney parks all over the world and also looks amazing at night at well.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Perhaps, but that version of the ride has been neutered beyond recognition. If Disney restored it to the original iteration, it absolutely would be worth a visit.

[@TERMINALFlamingOcean]

When torn has opened, Space Mountain will get refurbished, no doubt. But with Bob Chapek being as cheap as possible I can’t see them spending that much on it.

[@nathanielcardona283]

I think that space Mountain should be rebuilt from scratch, just like Disneyland’s did, it can be the same layout OR be a brand new layout with some inversions like Space mountain mission 2, that’s what I think, but again I think a new track should be put in, and I think magic kingdom needs more roller coasters so having space mountain is a perfect ride for the line up in WDW

[@patrickspiers4811]

Disney doesn’t do inversion in most of there parks only one park in Orlando I know Disney has is rockin rollercoaster that has inversions at Hollywood studios.

[@nathanielcardona283]

@@patrickspiers4811 totally aware, but again it’s only wishful thinking, honestly I think it would be cool to see a updated dueling coaster made by Vekoma or premier (people that made revenge of the mummy at universal) that would be super cool

[@myrealnameisjohndoe116]

Ooh, yeah a Space Mountain with inversions would be DOPE! Maybe one of Chapek's successors would be more inclined to embrace those kinds of rides than his predecessors were?

[@nathanielcardona283]

@@myrealnameisjohndoe116 this is if Chapek is willing to do so, again I know it won’t happen but again it would be sweet

[@breenotcheese746]

i went on it for the first time this past month and I genuinely can't pick which Mountain I prefer. they both have aspects that stand out, but to me, the Florida version is the better coaster.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I find that the Disneyland version is a better "flying through space" experience, but I'll never disregard the charm that the Magic Kingdom version holds.

[@breenotcheese746]

@@PoseidonEntertainment oh I agree. the synchronized soundtrack and the better special effects make the experience more immersive. but if you put the two tracks in an open field with no show elements, I think I'd have more fun on the Florida one.

[@vanmetschke]

I rode both versions at Disneyland and the new version is much better and much smoother, but still feels nostalgic. My opinion is they should gut the ride at Disney World and update the track and experience, much like they did it Disneyland.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I've only been on Disneyland's refurbed track, but even then it's such a dramatic difference from the Magic Kingdom version. It definitely provides a more "flying through space" feeling and less "rickety deathtrap".

[@vanmetschke]

@@PoseidonEntertainment agreed. Plus the MK version is almost as bone jarring as the Matterhorn. They need to update it if only for a smoother experience.

[@maddehatteur7884]

The track is old. I think the feel of the track is a classic feel though, I would hate to lose it. Good video unexpectedly.

[@rapunzel1701]

Yes. Space Mountain is the show building, not the ride system. I like the single row seating but everything else is on the table. It definitely has to be fully skinable so themes can be applied even between day ops and night parties. I first rode Space Mountain in prolly the late 70's. The older kids convinced us younger kids that people had already lost hands by holding their arms up. 40+ years later and I still sit scrunched down as far as possible in the seat.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

They might not have been wrong. Space Mountain is the attraction most responsible for all the safety warnings and precautions that preface rides today. People were breaking bones, even going so far as having tail bone and spinal injuries. Loose articles were another huge issue with people being hit quite frequently by blunt objects flying out of the vehicles above them.

[@eclips3534]

Ok I thought you were talking about Disneyland’s I am in love with Space Mountain at Disneyland it’s probably one of my favorite rides because of the atmosphere and also I love the changes in theme from Halloween to Starwars and then back to the OG.

[@jameshateseverything1356]

I think they should deconstruct it whole, and rebuild it in secret at an unknown location somewhere in America

[@viddork]

" ... I would be happy with _both_ outcomes." So, you want two Space Mountains, then?

[@speedchialtas5954]

Well, it is a dual track that are mirror images of each other. Why not update it one side at a time. Construction can be done at night... you know like the way Disney used to do all their construction so guests never heard a saw going off in Adventureland. But by doing one side at a time they can keep the ride operating. As for the Disneyland headrests with synchronized soundtrack? All I can say is Space Mountain Disneyland was struggling to be an "e" ticket ride. That update with headsets alone reinvented the ride. I haven't been on it since the new visual effects have been added but they look pretty amazing. I say WDW do the same.

[@cj33333]

Scrunching into your incredibly tight seat while constantly fearing for your life because of all the visible metal bars that fly right above your head and the headache all the rough drops induce has always felt like a Disney World rite of passage to me

[@m2ark8611]

Great thought provoking video. I’ve been riding Space Mountain since the 1970s. Redo the track taking lessons from California, Paris or another park. The ride is in Tomorrowland but is yesteryear. Magic Kingdom needs more than few high throughput quality rides to compensate for the increased crowd levels, start here.

[@Rollinsiv]

6:49 I've touched the ceiling of the tunnel before. I'm 5'11" standing up. Not sure about my reach while sitting down, but the tunnel ceilings are indeed low.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

It would certainly be an OSHA violation if constructed this way today. I see it as another unique and historical quirk of this ride.

[@galashery7264]

Maybe I’m a little too trusty but I always assumed there’s no way there isn’t enough clearance bc Disney absolutely cannot afford the “financial repercussions” of a dismemberment on a MK attraction. I’m 6ft tall and I always ride hands up all the time and never had a problem.

[@theoneilovemost]

Personally, at this point in its history I feel like Disney really just needs to open its own museum filled with its old rides and concepts and and continue to do what Walt intended to do with the original Disneyland; continue to upgrade and advance it.

[@justsandy4381]

Cool idea!!!

[@zachfleming9750]

Yes, I wouldn’t tear down Space Mountain but make the track more smooth. It’s just bumpy. But it’s to go as a coaster

[@GavinMcCollum]

Here's my idea- unfeasible though it may be: Expand Space Mountain in MK- add a Paris-like modern coaster, re-do one of the other coasters to a Disneyland-like layout, then have the classic track.

[@drjuicefire7025]

Making another point. Disney World is designed to allow whole family to have fun. I’m sure most parents would love to ride space mountain with their family and children. What I was expressing redesigning the ride vehicles or tracks to eliminate the sudden jerks on turns would be great for adults. I’m in decent shape and it effects me. I definitely have seen adults who are not that in great of shape which probably shouldn’t be riding in first place but people pay a lot to come there so a lot chance it. The worst effects come from sitting in car 6

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Agreed, there's a decent amount of air-time from the last seat of the train, but at the expense of bruises.

[@Theme_parchive]

Oriental Land Company: Write that down! write that down!!!

[@idk-zt8rx]

This video came out before the announcement, right? The OLC seems to pick the right people when it comes to opinions and decision making.

[@Freckris]

I never rode it as a kid because I was terrified of coasters back then. Riding as an adult, I can sense the overhead bars and really feel the rickety rails. I didn't really think about the lack of banked curves adding to the roughness, but now that I've heard it, I see why I have problems with it. Since I don't have nostalgia for it, I'd say update it, either with a similar track but banked curves and more overhead clearance, or just replace it entirely.

[@DisneyParksMusic.]

Thanks for this video I have always had this thought rolling and coasting thru my mind and I think they should update the track because a smooth experience is always a plus in my book but then another issue is that it would rival Disneyland’s version and may over shadow Disneyland’s Space Mountain experience so it’s kinda tough to say but I am all for change for the Disney Parks! It’s cool to imagine if they got rid of the dueling tracks in the ride and make it one could u imagine how long the ride duration/ time would be, plus the riders per hour could double the amount of Disneyland riders per hour or maybe they could throw in an inversion like Disneyland Paris’s Space Mountain, I am getting ahead of myself hopefully this ride is here to stay because Space Mountain is a wonderfully crafted experience you really can’t find or get anywhere else!!! Plz make a video on Walt Disney’s love for change in the Disney Parks and why the Disney Fan Communities are NOT a fan of change!!! 😁❤️

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

The current Space Mountain in Magic Kingdom actually has a pretty astounding capacity. It's upwards of 2000+ riders an hour compared to around 1500-1600 for the Disneyland version. I think this is the primary reason why the Magic Kingdom version hasn't been touched.

[@HotDogRock]

I'm for keeping the old track. I will be repeating the argument you've made to friends and strangers. Part of Disney's intention was to evoke nostalgia. In this spirit Disney Parks should be a place to ride old rides. If you're riding the rides it's not a museum.

[@oldtomthestoryteller6517]

Biggest need is to reprofile the track so an E-stop doesn't necessarily require a SHOVE to get restarted. If they replaced the trim brakes with E-mags and fins, they could even set it up to self rescue, but eliminating the valleying problem on restart is the biggest need.

[@cherishhales]

I rode magic kingdom’s space mountain for the first time last week and I thought I was going to die. The lap bar didn’t go all the way down on me because I’m pretty small (4’11) and could’ve stood up if I wanted to...

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

It's... quite the experience. But I suppose that's part of the thrill?

[@myrealnameisjohndoe116]

Glad to hear that you were smart enough not to stand up! There's so many fools that act like absolute fools on rides(whether it's flashing people on Splash Mountain, people ignoring the signs telling them not to go on certain rides if they have various medical issues or are pregnant, etc), so it's always nice to see people using their brains and not acting stupid and then suing.

[@youmatgle]

New track under the same building sounds good. Epcot's rollercoaster building looks cheap in comparison.

[@MrChimpeh]

While it would be good to do a full overhaul I can’t see it happening. It’s too popular to be out of action for months if not most of a year

[@disneyscott98]

My perfect Space Mountain refurb: Demolish the gift shop/old arcade building to provide a once again clear view of Space Mountain itself. Dismantle all of the track on both sides. Disneyland-style side by side seating. Similar track layout with a few changes for a familiar yet new experience. Do *NOT* touch the queue or change the music (keeping some of that nostalgic charm) Make the queue area visible from the Peoplemover (and the ride visible from the queue)

[@louiswright8282]

Am I the only one that actually prefers the single row coaster cars, it gives you that feeling that you're the in spotlight in every drop, turn. With side by side seats the person next to you is screaming 24/7 and can distract you from the feeling of travelling in the void of space. Single row coasters are a dying breed and I think should be given another go.

[@garygresham1115]

Agreed, keep the structure, replace the track. The track is almost as old as I am, and that's pretty old! Space Mountain made more sense before the rehab. The queue area was open to the ride above, which gave a preview of the ride, and also allowed a bit of light into the track area. And the track was also far more visible from the Peoplemover. The rehab isolated all of these areas.

[@manonpiano]

¡Don't mess with Space Mountain! omg....that would be so sad...

[@capybara6997]

Ikr? It’s my favorites Disney ride

[@manonpiano]

@@capybara6997 Me too, I have so much memories from RYCA-1 that is my dream becoming real just to see what is getting so close now at Mars about space colonization, all what is being shown at the exit displays, the experience of the ride, the feel of being inside a spaceport...ohhh wow

[@hellacia8151]

Unfortunately Arrow went out of business after the construction of X2 at Six Flags Magic Mountain, so it'd be really difficult to retrack the ride. That being said, it's possible that S&S Sansei owns the patents to Arrow's track, specifically the version used on SM, which looks like their mine train style track.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

Realistically, were Space Mountain ever to get a new track, it would likely be a different layout regardless because it just wouldn't make sense by the standards and expectations of today's guests to build something in the older style. But yeah, that's definitely a good point, because it appears Disney couldn't retrack it even if they wanted to.

[@hellacia8151]

@@PoseidonEntertainment I still love me some good Arrow jank from time to time, one of my favorites is Viper at SFMM, which gets a lot of flack for being a headbanger and having abrupt transitions, but since I'm tall there's no need to worry about headbanging. Personally I'd reprofile the layout in a way that would make things less abrupt, let still enjoyable, because let's be real there is some very real ejector air on it currently, and I don't want that going away.

[@jasonellis18]

When Tron comes on line they should close it and remodel it. Make it like space mountain in Disneyland. That ride is truly amazing.

[@alaeriia01]

Make it like Space Mountain in Paris.

[@resistancex-wingpilot6099]

I had a realization on my most recent ride on Space Mountain that I absolutely could not put my arms up for that red tunnel, which is a little concerning. As much as I love the atmosphere and theming, the ride is just so rough. I'm all for completely redoing the track and giving it some new music.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

While I like the music that the ride track is blasting now, Michael Giacchino's score for the Disneyland version is just so much better.

[@nathanblalock7019]

@@PoseidonEntertainment Michael Giacchino composed two scores back in 2005, one for Space Mountain in Anaheim and another for Space Mountain in Paris. Both are great, so I would love to see an all new score from Giacchino that would synchronize with the layout of the new track for Space Mountain in Florida. Preferably something more in line with the Anaheim version.

[@doctoradventure413]

I’d never thought about the possibility of them updating the track for space mountain and I definitely think I’d enjoy that more whenever I ride it my neck gets sore because of how tense I get thinking I’m going to get hit by the supports

[@disneykilledstarwars2006]

Here is What I Would Do. 1. Tear Down Everything On The Inside Of The Ride 2. Set Up 2 Tracks Similar to Human Vs. Cyclon At Universal SG 3. All New Themes Make It More Modern 4. Make It Red ( Traditional ) Vs. Blue (Suspended) and Make Both Of The Launch Style 5. Add Neon/Led Lighting Everywhere 6. The Perfect Replcment

[@diamondruby7257]

I'm not gonna lie, I'm french, and I always wondered how you could find your SM that good seeing the track XD

[@postbeast21]

I am a bigger and taller guy...6'4", 240lbs....and I have never been comfortable on this ride. Stinks because this one is so iconic. I'm a rollercoaster fanatic but I skip over this one every time because of the struggle of fitting into the carts and then experiencing an extremely rough ride that seems exaggerated for larger people. I always wait outside while my wife and daughters enjoy it. I'd love to see it renovated and modernized while doing its best to keep the nostalgia.

[@williambrack1530]

A bit of a correction: Space Mountain's cast members do not push guests in the rockets anymore. All the guests are evacuated and then the rockets pushed.

[@MiMi_MoMo]

I was so confused at the beginning of this video, I thought you were talking about the Disneyland version. I’ve never been to WDW, so I only know the Disneyland version, and it’s my favorite ride of all time. The last time I went to Disneyland was in November 2011 as a teenager, and since the park was fairly empty due to it being November, I rode it over and over and over again. It’s one of my favorite memories from my teenage years. However, now that I’m in my late twenties, I think back to the Matterhorn (because it’s the only thing I can compare the WDW Space Mountain to) and I remember feeling that it was a jarring, uncomfortable, ride even to my teenage body. If I went back as an adult, I don’t think I would opt to ride the Matterhorn more than once for this very reason. Therefore, I can understand your concerns about the WDW Space Mountain. I think it would be beneficial for the ride to get a track update while keeping everything else the same. What’s the point of a nostalgic ride if it hurts your body and only succeeds at reminding you that you aren’t as young as you once were?

[@wood6393]

6:49 "...which I've always been tempted to touch..." Do not, and I can't stress this enough, touch the walls or ceiling in the tunnel scenes! I've made that mistake once, and never again. The constant friction of the ride vehicles against the rails and support structure builds an incredible static charge. A charge that is looking for an easy escape. An easy escape that takes the form of me thinking, "We're not going that fast, and the ceiling's not that far...". Oops. The discharge was one of the most painful shocks I've ever received. Think sticking a fork in a toaster that's hooked up to a car battery. The loud pop and flash that accompanied my foolishness led the others in my ride vehicle to think something serious had broken. My whole arm, shoulder, and upper back were sore the rest of the day. I should mention that I wasn't some kid or teenager on his first ride on Space Mountain. I was a 6'4" adult riding for nearly the hundredth time. I should have known better. TL:DR No touchy. Big shock and bigger ouch!

[@markjensen7091]

Just a thought here, why not tear out the entire inner structure and make 1 combined roller coaster. The amount of space within WDW's space mountain is massive compared to the other parks. You can still use the dual loading, but have each section merge onto the lift hill. You keep the capacity by having Disneyland's trains, which is the 2x2's. What would you do with that space, now that 1/2 of the ride is removed? Well you could add other elements that could make space mountain an actual journey in space. How a bout a heartline roll, barrel roll, etc... that could be used to highlight moments in the ride like flying over a comet, avoiding another space ship etc... To me when it comes to the different Disney parks is having that standout attraction that the other parks do not have. Disneyland has Indiana Jones and the Matterhorn. But wouldn't be awesome to say "well Disneyland may have the Matterhorn, but our space mountain has an inversion in it."

[@jacksonpriestap3685]

I do think this would be an excellent idea, but will Disney actually do it? Disney World for some people is a once in a lifetime destination. Would Disney seriously want to close down one of the most iconic rides at the resort for a lengthy refurbishment? Personally, I don’t know. I do believe it would be a smart idea, but this is Disney we’re talking about. However, I think it will have to depend on the success of Tron. If public perception praises it for being much smoother than Space Mountain, then I think we have a chance, but I wouldn’t bet on it for a couple of years tho. At the earliest, Space Mountain could close at the end of 2023 or the beginning of 2024 and could reopen a year later. I personally hope this is what happens.

[@lb4842]

But what if they only closed down one side of the track for refurbishment, and then after that they do the other track.

[@meaganwilliams6826]

I had this saved in a playlist that I’m very behind on watching so I know I’m very late to the game😂 I can’t say anything more but wholehearted agreement! Spot on, I feel the exact same way. It’s conflicting for sure. I really enjoy you analyzing Disney parks topics from both sides!!!

[@karloswithak6823]

Granted, I haven't ridden it in a while but it's still one of my favorite coasters of any park.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

While painful, it is quite the fantastic experience. A unique and historic one at that.

[@jobustify]

Not a chance. Not that it's not a good idea, but current management isn't going to spend a dime on plussing an attraction

[@jaywenzel3528]

Sitting front row on this ride is an absolute blast

[@Ajnin42]

This is the best theme park youtube channel.

[@SkeledroMan]

Disneyland's Space Mountain is just a clone. The world loses nothing by its removal. The building should stay, but it needs a more modern space themed coaster inside

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

Or both. Do one of the two tracks over, leave the other intact. Be a nice bit of before and after. Could split the lines as well between classic and new space mountain.

[@jl9627]

The soundtrack music at the end of the video won it for me.....keep the classic '70s ride!! (At least for the moment.)

[@leonlacroix2638]

That's one of my favorite aspects that classic sifi music.

[@wolfhoodlum1789]

I still like the Disneyland version better than the Disney World version. Plus it's gotten 3 overlays over the years including the excellent Ghost Galaxy. Don't forget about Rockin' Space Mountain where they play the RHCP's cover of Stevie Wonder's Higher Ground. That was a while back though.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

That wasn't even something that I was aware existed.

[@wolfhoodlum1789]

@@PoseidonEntertainment They did one for California Screamin' Too. Played RHCP's Around The World.

[@tkc1129]

If they redid it, I bet they wouldn't adopt the same optimistic, universal style. They'd convert it to be based completely off their IPs. I happen to like the retro future aesthetic, and in the case of Space Mountain, it's the genuine article. Obviously, the ride needs to be safe. It might be nice if they could expand the mountain while keeping it exactly the same aesthetic; just make a bigger version. I am worried about modern cost-cutting, though.

[@cuttinol]

After riding it many times throughout the years, I literally refused to get on space mountain on my last visit. It's just way too rough on my body and makes my head hurt. I also find the restraint to be very lacking and I feel kind of unsafe. My body shifts so much during the ride that I feel like I'm going to slide out. Every second I'm wondering "when is this gonna be over". A complete redo would be very welcomed by me.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I used to feel that way, and I think a really large part of it is the lack of being able to anticipate the drops and turns. I don't think people realize how much work they actually do on a coaster by positioning themselves or bracing on the restraints when they see an element ahead. Space Mountain has gotten a lot less abrasive for me because I've been on it enough to anticipate the layout. I still agree that it definitely feels unsafe though.

[@redpandaz5146]

I would say, keep the shell, build a newer, up-to-date coaster inside, and rebuild the theming to match the retrofuturistic feel of the current attraction. I've been on the one at Disneyland and from what I recall it's also quite rickety

[@fresnobear63]

Bob Gurr who is the father of The Matterhorn was ask by Walt Disney to put a rollercoaster in an existing mountain. He had to design the ride without computers and had to use charts and graphs. When he was asked if he road the attraction. He said, "I built it. I don't have to ride it.". Space Mountain only has a max speed of 25 miles in hour. The illusion of speed is achieved by the dark and fans blowing on the guests.

[@justimagine2403]

Yes, gut the interior and put in the Paris version. When TRON starting I thought, "Of course they will now tear down Space Mountain". How could it compete.

[@KRPeart]

Going on Space Mountain was a tradition for me and my big brother to go on together. I would always raise up my arms in excitement, while he immediately shoved them down. He feared the above tracks would hit me lol.

[@PoseidonEntertainment]

I doubt anyone has ever been able to hit the support structure, but it certainly feels possible in the moment.

[@KRPeart]

@@PoseidonEntertainment I think that was his thinking. Guess he was just being a projective older brother hehe.

[@jaball77]

They've turned the lights down so far in the Orlando Space Mountain that it's basically completely black. It's so dark you can't see most of the effects anymore. It was really sad to see.

[@Mylhibug]

I agree that the track needs to be updated and think that once Tron is running consistently with minimal downtime, it would be the perfect time to update Space Mountain. That being said, do you really think Mr. 'Cheap'ak will do it and do it right? I think until they get a CEO that actually cares about the parks for entertainment and not just to make another buck... Yeah, it's better to just leave it alone for now. BTW, I am 5'11" and I can touch the stuff flying above my head. Not fun but I didn't lose anything either, lol. I am loving all these essays and appreciate all the work you put into them. Great job!