Should Harley Davidson STOP MAKING the Sportster Iron 883?

[@yammienoob]

If you want to help us modify this Sportster join the Discord community over on yammienoob.co and get entered to win at the same time.

[@alexkelly8131]

Make it into a hooligan

[@mavric1177]

just here me out on this one...scrambler. Really give that DRZ you boat a run for its money lol

[@khatdubell]

I need another link to the discord, please. The website doesn't work.

[@jimmorrison306]

Big bore kit?

[@burnttoast9890]

Yo spite HD will stop making the 750 platform in India

[@rossfarley3952]

Love my 883. Never cared about it not having ABS or other tech. And I think it sells well. So no, I think it should stay.

[@douglasradowick508]

Hey Ross, I have to be in the same "camp of thought" with the 883! Doug

[@Real_MisterSir]

The main problem will always be, that you're essentially paying a premium - for a product that was engineered 30 years ago. With Italian premium you at least get top-of-the-line technology so even if they're overpriced you know you do get something extra. With Harley, you are straight up paying more and getting less than what rivals offer. This means that the riding feel is going to be the sole reason for people choosing a Harley, and that isn't a healthy business model. I don't mind that their bikes are simple, and the Iron may not be the fastest bike on the block. Heck, those are the reasons it has its charm. But that charm only works if the price is matching. The thought should be "I don't want to pay extra for fancy modern tech and gizmos, and I don't need a crotch rocket, so I'll get a Harley where I can get a simpler bike and save a bit of money". But alas, they charge Euro exclusivity premiums for something that just isn't even close to being worth it. HD's premium that avoids all marketing and sales logic, is what's their current downfall, and will stay so if they don't change up their brand in the future. They have exclusivity brand value, but the longer they keep offering less for more, the more they will hurt their own brand value.

[@Ryansawsume]

MISTER SIR spot on. I’d argue their “new” strategy of sticking to their “roots” is going to be the brand’s death sentence.

[@Slking507]

Lol... Moto Guzzi, premium tech there man. 🤣 I guess some of the others are ok.

[@MotoMengy]

Precisely.

[@alexanders1445]

Sporty 1200 owner agrees here, bought it pre-owned for 10k out the door (dealer BS fees included) For the value, sportsters on the secondary are the best. But a brand new 883 off the showroom is NOT worth it. It’s a v6 automatic mustang, sure it looks like it, but is it exactly what you thought of? Do the numbers crunch right in your head. For sport bike guys this is the dead-est horse they beat, but because it’s a easy one. The numbers don’t lie. But what if you didn’t care...and the fun was had anyway?

[@Slking507]

$8,500-9,500 for a new 883 $8,500-9,000 for a Moto Guzzi V7 $8,000-8,500 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 $8,000-8,500 for Yamaha Bolt $7,500-8,500 Honda Shadow Aero There is not much of a premium. All are great beginner bikes. You will be hard pressed to tell me what any of those have that the Sportster does not. Just saying.

[@christians131]

There will always be a desire for these. Not because of they’re an engineering marvel (kinda the opposite actually) but because when you want to look and feel cool, this toy fits the bill

[@karimtemri1664]

I've seen some of those here in Europe and they are no where near as cool as a softail. They look small and outdated

[@seangallagher4498]

I love the 883. It’s not for everyone but it’s a great looking bike. I hope you guys put a hammer 1275 big bore kit on that bike. Well worth it

[@philkwon81]

i've been thinking about either doing the big bore kit or just changing out cams. how did the gas mileage change for you?

[@V8AmericanMuscleCar]

I agree! It's very cool bike!

[@sorachi318]

Eyyy. When will you guys go International with the givaway bikes?

[@watchmeflykids]

This needs way more likes

[@false_cypher]

It’s too complicated from a legal standpoint unfortunately.

[@mr.b3168]

Paperwork and shipping would cost more than the bike.

[@stephenpierce2726]

Mr. Borjas nailed it and there's one more addition; import tax.

[@BetaRacer24]

Mr. Borjas nothing that says they cant foot the cost of an international bike without shipping the bike ETc

[@marcusmcbride6747]

I love my 883. It's my 1st motorcycle and it's an amazing bike. I put 3000 miles on it in three months. I can do anything I want in that bike and it's freaking awesome!

[@dylanjchess]

How do I reduce my chances of winning this bike? I haven't applied or anything, I just don't want to run the risk. Will wearing a mask and washing my hands help?

[@caseyjones6316]

Dylan Jones no it’s too late for you. It’s being delivered to your place of residence as we speak

[@dylanjchess]

@@yeye9817 I here by promise that if I win this bike, I'll put leather chaps, go to a harley meet, and drop it at every stop.

[@cliffordwood3712]

@@dylanjchess god what a waste when so many people out there would wake up to a dream come true I'd at least give it away.

[@dylanjchess]

@@cliffordwood3712 I'm saving any poor unsuspecting victims from accidentally becoming Harley riders. They should make a plaque of me

[@cliffordwood3712]

@@dylanjchess lmao

[@4863media]

“It’s objectively bad....an American icon” is just a metaphor for so many things

[@TheBabyDerp]

Marc Mitcham I love it. Guess I am weird

[@That1J1]

Being the son of a lifetime Harley rider that just got on a neo-retro UJM after two cafes (you can probably get an idea for my cultural perspective), I feel this hard.

[@0121chuchurocket]

Rofl, so basically, if you want an underpowered terrible bike, buy now, otherwise they might make it not so terrible in the future. Got it

[@TheBabyDerp]

i love the sportster. the old school feel is amazing. so glad i left metric bikes. its a weird niche like he said. whenever someone asks me if its for them i always say probably not. especially if its their first bike.

[@TheBabyDerp]

kiki the gerbil dont buy them then. no one is forcing you to buy one.

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

@kiki the gerbil no.

[@TheBabyDerp]

@kiki the gerbil I just bought a brand new sportster, I fucking love it. I had tons of metric bikes before trying my first Harley last year. That first Harley was $1500 and cheaper than the other used metrics I had before it. I absolutely love the harsh and old school feel of the Harley sportster. If you can't appreciate it, so be it. I understand appreciate all motorcycles and people's likes. Just because I prefer an old school feel, doesn't make me wrong or inferior. I daily drive a old school classic car, I love old shit. I guess it's just my thing. Harley isn't going anywhere, they are revamping their company. Their main lineup of big v twin bikes has already been revamped and are very modern. The new Milwaukee 8's have ironed out all issues and have become great bikes. The sportster is the only bike lineup left with 80's technology. Again, I love it, but they are likely getting rid of it anyway. I will openly admit I am in a minority niche. When they stop making sportster, I will build a custom motorcycle to my liking. I am weird and have every right to be. As for Harley, go look at the Bronx. The 2021 Harley Bronx is debuting with their new small(er) V twins. very modern compared to the sportster evolution. 4 valves per cylinder. liquid cooled etc. The bronx is a street fighter style bike as well. Rumor has it sportsters will be redesigned with the new 975 and 1275 motors but who knows. It doesn't change the fact some people are weird and like weird things. If that is somehow wrong to you, you can fuck right off.

[@PkwyDrive13]

@kiki the gerbil how bout you quit spamming the same thing over and over.

[@raglanheuser1162]

"too polished, too smooth" japanese engineers: o.o

[@brunotvrs]

From now on every bug is a feature and every poor design is "character"

[@dankyskins4452]

@@brunotvrs lmfao

[@TheBabyDerp]

Bruno Tavares Siqueira its not a bug. its old school

[@wout4yt]

Let's be honest, if Honda made a bike as badly put together as a Harley, spike would call it shit.

[@brunotvrs]

@@TheBabyDerp That's the spirit!

[@Dylzhaar]

To me, there's more potential in a cheap bike that's got a bunch of parts on it than an expensive bike that's a blank slate. Everything you change makes a bigger difference and you have more money to change things.

[@wout4yt]

then buy a cb500x and convert into a 500cc Africa Twin.

[@deavenferrett8642]

Imagine what the other drivers are thinking when they see him and his hand gestures while driving.

[@gtobruin]

Harley should update the Sportster like Triumph did with the Bonneville, and make it the centerpiece of a modern classic line.

[@portugeek75]

Agreed. They should update the engine at the very least. (There's more to do, but that would be a start)

[@nicholasmapes]

They will likely never update the sportster. The evo engine is a decent plant, reliable. And Harley isn't going to pay to engineer a twin cam or M8 version smaller to fit the sporty

[@portugeek75]

Not knocking the EVO, it's rock solid. But it's overdue for an upgrade. I do agree that HD won't be investing the R&D that is needed to update the engine.

[@nicholasmapes]

@@portugeek75 I don't disagree with you. Its definitely an old motor, and there is definitely better tech out there. But Harley is a okay with sitting on their laurels.

[@skot373]

The sportster is nowhere near Harley's problems. Harley's problem is that every time they get on the verge of something good, the cork sniffers get together to put a stop to it. There was no sense in doing away with the V-rods. The V-Rods drew ire from the cork sniffers because it was a liquid cooled beast and was targeted at new riders. Unfortunately though, Harley purist wont rest until the company makes everything with the aerodynamics of a tool shed and the turn radius of an aircraft carrier.

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

V-rods are legendary now! I love the night rod. Sooo unique and a bad ass look! I'm a young HD guy. If they've kept the v rod...

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

The old ass Harley dudes are constantly hating on new things the brand does.

[@skot373]

@@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670 they hated the Dynas too. great bikes, classic feel with young appeal. nope! Can't do that! because 'it ain't a real Harley!"

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

@@skot373 Nowadays the dynas are loved. I'm a big fan of the Clubstyle Szene.

[@DuartesGarage]

The vrods didn’t sell, neither did the xr1200, neither did the buell 1200. Harley made great bikes in an era where everyone watched sons of anarchy and wanted big twin cam baggers and dynas. The xr1250 revolution is what the world needs rn, what Harley needs.

[@genuinejustin]

You'll never find any bike that sucks but people love so much.

[@TheBabyDerp]

Yep, I absolutely love it. The first ride on one and I was hooked for life.

[@motorbikesandmakingstuff5433]

I've found that the Harley premium prices can be avoided by buying used. They seem to depreciate so fast.

[@1800callluigi]

Preaching to the choir on that one. Always buy used!

[@christophervincent77]

Especially Sportsters...

[@mr.b3168]

They depreciate from new. But used to used they don't.

[@jamesmitchell652]

I went to the HD dealer to buy a sportster, knowing its faults. I enjoyed the sales guy but his boss, the sales manager, was such a dirt bag that I resolved that I would never buy a Harley. Total car sales deal from beginning to end. I went to buy but I wouldn't buy a Harley at gunpoint. I went to the Indian dealer, had a cup of coffee and bought a Scout Sixty. Great bike, super buying experience.

[@TheBabyDerp]

My situation was complete opposite. Our metric dealer here is full of scumbag people but the Harley dealer is amazing.

[@andypants1000]

I feel like the harley dealership experience is really varied. Theres a few good ones but a lot of fucking trash, and I think that's one of harleys big hurdles. I just tried to buy a roadster but they were really iffy on offering financing (they just finally approved me yesterday after 16 days, but I already bought a different bike), their registration fees are insane compared to other dealers, so is their freight, shop fees etc.... So you've got a 1000 dollar premium if you're lucky to live stateside (it gets worse the farther away you go) but then a 600 dollar premium on registration, a 400 dollar premium on freight, a 200 dollar premium on inspection etc... etc... etc... Suddenly that 1000 dollar premium is a 3000 dollar premium. Makes it a lot more difficult to justify buying a bike from a dealer that already thinks they're above you and you dont deserve their bike.

[@Bahlzeron]

Dealerships are the biggest hurdle for any motor company really, I've been to good and bad dealerships of all different kinds. I won't let a dealership ruin a brand for me, I'll go to a different dealership out of town if need be. I've also seen good dealerships go bad.

[@TheBabyDerp]

@@Bahlzeron I agree. I will not give the win to Harley or any other company. It heavily varies town to town. And dealer to dealer. Unfortunately, in my city, one company has a monopoly on new metric bikes. Sucks total ass! They are the worst imaginable dealership to deal with. Everything from insane fees to horrible service to flat out scummy sales tactics. I was a salesman there for a little while, we probably called 500 people each a day. It wasn't new leads. We called the same fucking people every day. I did not feel right harassing people calling them every day trying to get them to come buy a toy. This same place struggles to sell and doesn't seem to get the clue about their tactics. You know something is bad when their is 3 year old bikes that have never been started sitting in the lobby at the front...

[@TheBabyDerp]

I should have added, the company is a regional company and has several locations throughout the south east region. I got to meet the owner, cool guy, but doesn't give a fuck about the company. He is getting up there in age, and all he does is fly around in his plane and enjoys life. He is basically retired and set for life regardless of what happens to his small empire. I have heard their other locations aren't as bad, but I wouldn't know, If I am traveling to another city to buy a bike, it won't be from them.

[@astriverofstrengthandknowledge]

Those shredded jeans are giving me anxiety.

[@davidheilman1613]

Harley is TOAST unless they cut the cost of their Bikes, and decide to keep two or three models carrying on the old traditional sound and feel, but all other models really need to come up to what the other Companies are doing. Too long Harley has been rather Snobish about their Bikes. Other Bikes, even the cheapest of the cheap can run circles around the typical Harley.

[@ganuvien]

I love the new fat bob 114 but can't justify 20k for a bike, on top of that you'll need 5k in add ons lol.

[@tylergaye5457]

Not really, theres a video of a British guy who took a stock harley bagger to a track day and actually kicked ass.

[@urethralsensitivity]

If they don’t drop the price at least improve the price to performance ratio. Harley needs better tech, modern tech, in all their models, but especially the Sporties and Softails. I love my HD 1200 72, but I’m real about it’s performance shortcomings compared to modern retro bikes, like the Triumph Bonneville. Can you imagine a Sportster with the same retro looks but with a well designed, well integrated, liquid cooled engine that retains the 45 degree V twin profile? Plus all the modern traction and braking tech? That would be incredible.

[@Nargisrahman6]

Tyler Gaye a good rider can do great on any bike

[@Dranreb865]

Here in the philippines the entry level sportster is priced around 13 to 14k usd. So stop bitching there in america if you feel its overpriced.

[@raymonddavo1847]

Love the clip, I have a 2019 iron 883, I'm 71 and I'm absolutely loving it, nothing else gives u the feel and looks of an 883

[@tristincaswell7537]

Bring back the vrod. The price was reasonable, good looking, and fast. I just picked up a 2010 vrod muscle. If they still made that bike I'd go buy a new one because I'm in love with it. I'd like to hear Yammie's opinion on the bike.

[@szeinner]

Love my 2020 883 in denim black. Before I even looked at pricing I knew I wanted the 883 simply based on the looks. Is it the best? No but I love it and plan to keep it for a long time. Great review man.

[@ThatBobGuy850]

Great video, Spite! I can answer your "Why get an 883?" question. Duh...because some of us don't consider absolute power to be of primary importance? There's a legacy to this bike, and some of us like that it traces its heritage *directly* back to 1957? Is it a bad motorcycle? Of course not. I quite enjoy riding mine - my *third* Sportster. I also have a Dyna Street Bob. The more I ride the Dyna, the less I like it. To each their own, man. That's what makes motorcycling so great!

[@GoBayside]

How to save HD: reduce model line dramatically - ship bikes from the factory as rollers. Test the gas models it with a plastic tank to fire before it leaves. The buying process is picck 883/1200/electric then it goes to 100% in-person where someone walks you through what bars, tank size & tank color, fenders, tires and exhaust you want. Then a tech helps you 'customize your bike'. Chance for upsells, validates having the sales centers, people once they wrench on their vehicle they have greater ownership.

[@pdgable]

You do know that ABS is available on the 883? It is optional just like the Rebel and Vulcan 650

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

True. In Germany New bikes without abs aren't allowed. They all have abs over here.

[@Dave20105]

Owned an 883 Iron four years - engine and exhaust still stock. A bit of a slow bike but I love it's looks.

[@giosalazar7342]

U can convert to 1200

[@christophervincent77]

If you want a better Sportster that really blends modern and classic, go buy the Indian Scout.

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

Definitely better. Was test riding the scout, Bonneville bobber and 883 sportster. Chosed the iron with the weakest engine but the most potential in terms of customizing. After 2 years it's a super sweet bike and I'm still not done with it.

[@christophervincent77]

@@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670 I considered a Sportster a couple years ago but I ended up falling into a low miles Triumph Speedmaster. Love it.

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

@@christophervincent77 The speedmaster is a super sweet bike too!

[@moondogmcblackfoot]

Subjective.. that aside.. HD has more mods available, more shops and mechanics, more iconic image, (arguably). I dig Indian though, almost bought a scout but went 883. I don’t regret it.💯

[@JohnnyXoz]

Some say character and feel, others say bad engineering

[@beardedforlife3740]

I wouldn't say it's bad engineering, just old

[@mr.b3168]

What's bad? Please explain. Stop following the harley hater crowd. You look like sheep

[@_Meriwether]

@@mr.b3168 Oh it's you again. Stop following the the Harley shill crowd. You look like sheep. 😂

[@mr.b3168]

@@_Meriwether look at you. Harley hating sheep.

[@nicholasmapes]

Actually its genius engineering... they designed a bike they can build for 3 grand and sell for 10 grand...

[@barriewilliams4526]

The problem with Harley Davidson is the Japanese bikes, which sadly for HD are better & cheaper. HD can't rely on their heritage forever, ask the British 😁

[@TheBabyDerp]

barrie Williams nope. I had 4 japanese cruisers before going Harley. too smooth and too modern. I love old school feel. I like harsh ride and idle. thinking about making a old school hardtail chopper. Everyone is different man. Ill admit its niche though

[@warrenseiboth3466]

@Yea Ok wannabe bikies

[@TheBabyDerp]

@@warrenseiboth3466 I wouldn't call myself a wannabe biker, I ride more than any metric biker I know. With that being said, you are right. Many Harley owners clean their bike more than they ride it. There's nothing wrong with that though, I know plenty of people that only ride in summer and only do road trips or community rides. I'm the type of guy to ride to work in a thunderstorm on a motorcycle because I can and love it.

[@TheBabyDerp]

@Yea Ok First and foremost, motorcycle clubs are not "gangs". Hells angels and Mongols are MC's not gangs. With that being said, I am not an MC member, and the life is definitely not for me; however, I do ride with friends that are in MC's, and I have rode with MC's before as a hang around. I like to ride and party. They like to ride and party. Things are always smooth, just don't get involved in any club's business and you are just fine. Second, If I had to pick a dominant Harley crowd, considering the average Harley owner's age, is middle age/old middle class men who ride occasionally. I would call them weekend riders.

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

Sportsters rock! 🎸 Would never trade my iron in. Coming from Suzuki to HD like plenty of people. Best riding experience ever. It's my personal bike and I don't give a shit about toxic people with a narrow mind who are constantly bashing HD.

[@josephmannion1976]

I've heard sportstbike people say "you need to spend £1500 on a harley to make it like it should be" then they go out and buy an akra, power commander and get the suspension set up on their gsxr 😂. Power rangers make me laugh.

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

@@josephmannion1976 I don't hate on them but that's true story. It's basically the same thing 😂

[@jackrabitt-214]

2007 XL1200c. Black and chrome. Baby ape hangers. Soft saddlebags and a windshield. I have owned several Harley Davidsons. And this is by far the coolest, most reliable, and flickable. Plus it gets commented on how beautiful it is by both young and old

[@devonnobles1083]

I've never ridden an 883 but I am starting to suspect when people say it has character, what they really mean is has excessive vibration and nothing else. Is there something special about its power delivery? Or the way it revs?

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

You can make it your own like no other bike. Test ride one. If it's for you, fine. If not, also fine.

[@vincentbeijing6926]

Devon Nobles yes the EVO engine delivers its power in a specific way, low grunt, long gearing, very different feeling from the rest of the market. It can be enough to justify the cult. They don’t vibrate when rolling, this one needs the rubber silent blocks to be replaced, normal maintenance

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

@@vincentbeijing6926 Very special engine. The Evo over everything imo 😁

[@jerlaine1638]

The new CEO is the final nail in the coffin with Harley's name on it. Yes new bikes might not be selling yet, but they NEED to find a way to lower costs and market to the youth, as of now most Harley's are grandpa bikes, or a dad bike. They need to update and actually be competitive for a change

[@nicholasmapes]

Harley is too busy catering to people that will likely NEVER buy another bike to notice that their main customers are going extinct... they need to get some new younger customers on board or they will tank... again... should we call AMF yet?

[@patw9175]

@@nicholasmapes Agreed. There's a reason Harley stopped reporting the average age of new bike buyers, and it's not because they were getting younger lmao

[@nicholasmapes]

@@patw9175 yeah, its a shame too. I'm a guy that likes the old school bikes, but the market for those bikes is shrinking... I understand that younger folks want updated bikes, and that is what Harley needs to make

[@chrisjeffries2724]

Give it a few years the market is always changing. Wait till all the youth go out and f**k themselves up going to fast on sport bikes not paying attention, they will be back to a reasonably paced motorcycle. That is why harley exists all the people that relized that speed is not as important as having something heavier and more solid to compete against the cars and trucks you are on the road with. Thats why old people ride them. They are wise, lived and learned.

[@patw9175]

@@chrisjeffries2724 lol compete with cars? good luck with that. Also, considering uh...everyone is aging constantly, by your logic harley should have a never ending revolving door of customer's who 'aged out' of sportbikes. But they don't.

[@1SnarfyDude]

"The bike is garbage and we're giving one away! Become a patron now" Best video I've seen in a long time. 😂

[@Iniquityslasher]

As someone who owns a 2020 low rider s... that bike is garbage... no cap...

[@pax1980]

Spite - No matter how hard you try, you can't save Harley ;)

[@nicholasmapes]

I guess its time to call AMF again...

[@AridLandMessenger]

I just bought a 2005 sportster 883. A new one is out of my budget. The 883 Sportster is basic raw motorcycle. Thats what I wanted and thats what I got. I love it. I considered other harleys even the 1200 Sportster but I prefered the look of the 883. I just wanted a fun weekend rider and I kept coming back to the 883. The 883 is to Harley Davidson, like the Bonneville is to Triumph. I still prefer the old Bonnie's to the modern ones. But its basically a person preference thing. I'm not interested in putting other people down for their preference when it comes to a Harley. Different bikes appeal to different riders. I just wanted to share why I love the 883. Its a classic raw motorcycle.

[@boomerguy9935]

My 2005 XL883 Standard has been super reliable, easy to work on, bulletproof, and has never leaked or burned oil. It is not perfect at anything but it gives me more smiles per mile than any bike I've ever owned. I love it! By the way, I've been riding for over 57 years.

[@CNDUK-q8r]

Yammie - can you rip a few laps around the track on the Sportster?? Then as you improve it we can see how much of an improvement you've made in the brakes, suspension and power.

[@TheJPHarvey]

The holes in spites gloves give me serious anxiety

[@GBDubstep]

Also the holes in his jeans. The street and steel Oakland Kevlar jeans are only about $120. RevZilla even lets you finance it in 12 payments. SMH

[@TheJPHarvey]

@@GBDubstep maybe yammie doesn't pay well lol

[@JasonfromEarth]

I have a 2009 Iron 883. I love it. Definitely imperfect. I love it all the same.

[@dhoyt902]

Yam Team! Like others have said, please bring on some big Harley's like a Road King so you can give your impression on what the final form Harley feels like. Poor 883, it was never meant to be 'good' just fun. I'm not even a Harley guy, but have ridden a lot of them and for sure the big bikes are what Harley's are about.

[@SikSh0oter]

The Yamaha Bolt is what the Sportster should've been 12 years ago

[@caseyjones6316]

SikSh0oter like slower than the 1200?

[@jamesdarnell8568]

@@caseyjones6316 Yes. 942cc should be slower than 1200cc.

[@caseyjones6316]

James Darnell but the 883 is supposed to be the same?

[@jamesdarnell8568]

@@caseyjones6316 No. The 883 is supposed to have better shocks and forks. It is supposed to be comfortable. It is supposed to have dual disc front brakes. It is supposed to have twin clocks (speedo and tach). It is supposed to have a six speed transmission. And it is supposed to cost $7,500 out the door.

[@caseyjones6316]

James Darnell they upgraded shocks in 17’ the iron is just slammed.. doesn’t matter how good your shocks are if you slam your bike... no suspension travel = rough ride. Why do you need a tach on a 50hp cruiser that is meant to be short shifted with a 5.5k rpm limit... you don’t need dual disc up front they made the rotor bigger in 14’ you really riding around on a iron 883 and experiencing break fade??? And 7,500 out the door lol??? So you think the bolts sticker price is like $5000 ($8000 starting) before taxes and dealer fees? You’re silly bud, also if this type of bike should have 3 disc breaking why does Suzuki still use a drum in back and a smaller disc up front than the sportster (which also weighs 50lbs less)?? And why the fuck should the 883 have a six speed if no other bike in its class has a six speed???? How high are you???

[@MrJoshlemons]

I owned a 1997 Sportster and it rattled itself apart, head near engine mount cracked, wore out the forks to the point that I had to replace them after I rebuilt them. They are not made for anybody over 180 pounds

[@conwayfiddy4908]

It’s funny watching them bitch about how much this rubber mounted 883 “rattled and shakes” lol. Your 97 was solid mounted, those Sportster vibrate. These are actually really smooth in comparison. Not as smooth as other cruisers or even other Harley’s but they’re not uncomfortable.

[@MrRockyhills]

People make lots of videos on iron 883, many of them for views and likes. It's one of the most favorite bike world wide, haters and lovers will come and exchange arguments here.

[@POPPASHANGO]

I have an Iron 883 in the garage. It is my wife's first bike. It is in no way as advanced as my Raider. But the simplicity of it makes it unique. When I ride it I liken it to a little wild pony. Won't have it forever. But I'm glad we got it.

[@shawnarmstrong3900]

Shadows are great bikes. Not everyone needs to ride like a toolbag. I have one, as well as an FZ1. I track ride. And my Shadow 750RS is my favourite bike. Your opinion only.

[@DB-qm4jx]

LOVE my shadow in every aspect. Full size chassis and completely reliable unlike the Harley s I seem to see always on the side of the highway.

[@edwardm9227]

Had a test ride on the Indian 1200 flat tracker. Harley is toast if they don't sort things.

[@conwayfiddy4908]

I rode the FTR in Daytona and I’m looking at selling my 1200 Sportster to buy one now. Great bike.

[@chrisjeffries2724]

I think a lot of people live in area's motorcycle's cant be riden all year long. During those times, people like me end up just staring at them instead. When it comes to a sportster, its a price range that its not so bad to be setting half a year in a garage, and while looking at it you see little things that you would like to be different. You can make every functioning part on a lathe or mill. I have made all the pegs, handle grips, triple tree, even decided to stretch the frame and put a slight 2 degree rake, installed springer front end. It makes bumpy roads feel like riding on a cloud! very easy to do with this bike, everything is american standard bolts unless aftermarket stuff has been installed. Every winter i customize something else. I go to the steal and aluminum recycling place for material. So when people say harleys are expensive they lack imagination and metal working knowledge. Its never broken down on me and its 21 years old, so you get what you pay for! As long as you maintain it! If your into metal working and want an endless metal working project, a sportster is the way to go. Look on the internet at all the imagination people have with these bikes! Very entertaining! I never get bored of mine, especially when i pull in somewhere and everybody in the whole place stops to stare at my bike and ask me about it. Its just a sportster i say lol!

[@jimmorrison306]

Always wanted a Sportster but never got one - especially when I was younger. Have a big twin with the M8 currently. Lord willing, I would still like to have one someday, maybe an older Sportster or a rigid chopper/bobber based on a Sportster. It would be sad to see the model go. I agree that the Sportster has that sound and feel of a real Harley. However, if I ran Harley and Sportsters weren’t selling, I would give it the ax.

[@Damiv]

This whole video and I didn't hear a single valid reason to ever waste money on a harley.

[@jjkkendal61]

No way I really hope that they keep making the 883. I've always loved the sportster since I was a kid. I have a 2005 XL883 Superlow with 1200 cc Upgrade Vance & Hines exhaust Screamin Eagle High flow Air filter. When I was growing up there were 2 bikes that I always wanted first one was 1967 or 68 Honda 305 Dream and the Harley Sportster and I now own both. SPORTSTER RIDER FOREVER

[@eduardomenchaca1916]

I’m watching this video at Walmart and an older gentlemen parked a 883 with balance wheels right in front of me. When you want to ride you’ll ride no matter age, bike, or physical ability.

[@conwayfiddy4908]

When I was at MMI in Phoenix in 2009 there was a disabled vet in a wheelchair there. Rode a Road King with a side car and suicide shifter. Everyday he’d wheel himself out there, lift himself on the bike, then fold up the wheelchair and bungee it into the sidecar.

[@donaldwyatt7617]

I had a 2002 HD Sportster 883C since it was brand new until I had an accident last year. It was a very reliable bike. I now have 2006 Street Bob which I bought this past March with only 2800 miles on it.

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

I'm all about mid-size cruisers and would never get a Sportster. Harley's been grifting off its heritage, but I wanna know what's it's done for me lately.

[@A_Random_Ad]

I love the heritage, but I cant give up my sportster. I bought my xl1200c used for $3000 at 15,000 miles. Slapped a stage one and suspension on it, love it.

[@moondogmcblackfoot]

For how I and where I ride, the 883 is serving me well. I’ll eventually get a bagger. I ride the hell out of my Iron and it is a great experience every loud, rattling and vibrating mile! 💯

[@wout4yt]

13:30 talk about apologism. Goldwings are classic, but nothing stopped Honda from evolving them. Also that idle sound, it's like struggling... If it was a 500 hp engine with huge camlobes it would be acceptable, but for a low powered bike, it's just shitty fuelmapping.

[@caseyjones6316]

Wout V your mom likes it

[@MrRoddyRod]

Being a sport bike owner, I understand very little of the cruiser world. A good video would be an exposé in different styles and offerings that the different brands segment into. A bit like the sport world divides into small displacement, 650s, 600s, liter bikes and “in betweens”. How does the cruiser world segment? I think it would make it easier to understand all the “cruiser model talk” from this video and give a better understanding about the direction you’ll be taking with the mods done to the 883.

[@MrRoddyRod]

Ps: Another cool video on the Yammie Channel! Congrats

[@caseyjones6316]

It’s in the 300 class of the cruiser world. Along with all the other 50hp/50tq bikes like the Vulcan 900, boulevard c50 ect. But it doesn’t really work like that (650s, 600s liter bikes and in betweens) you just have the slow slow cruisers then the not as slow cruisers and the muscle cruisers.

[@MrRoddyRod]

@@caseyjones6316 That's why it's so difficult to understand the choices with cruisers. It's weird just trying to figure out what are the options! And from what I've gathered, there's no logic behind the naming either, 883, the 48, the sportster, the milky 8.. It feels like the numbers mean nothing and the wording is intentionally confusing. That's why a video on this might be cool idea. Might help clear out all the language barrier and honestly.. Maybe it's all that the cruiser market needs to get new followers?

[@caseyjones6316]

Rodrigo lol “milky 8” well they arnt performance based motorcycles so you pic what looks nice and what feels good to you.

[@caseyjones6316]

Rodrigo sportster the “48” model is a throw back to bobbers from 1948. The “Milwaukee 8” refers to the engine having 8 valves. 883 is just 883cc’s

[@tristanlandahl9710]

I’m 6’5 and bought a 883. It’s not fast it’s not big but it stands out. Riding the Harley makes you know it’s a motorcycle. I love my 883 and I hope to keep it for ever.

[@RaijinTheThunder]

Who cares if it doesnt have the same feel? There's 34 years of that same generation available. Go buy a used one, they're everywhere. Harley needs to get their shit together and make something that can appeal to modern sentiments or be relegated to making t shirts and apparel

[@08zo6vette1]

Own a 2018 Fat Bob 114 and a 2017 883 Iron with Vance and Hines short shots Love both bikes but the 883 is pure classic Harley and just a raw bike. It shakes, vibrates, it’s loud and obnoxious and it’s pure Harley Davidson! Will never get rid of it!! Stay safe out there!

[@CamaroAmx]

I just bought a 14 Iron 883. 300 miles on it for $5,000. I love it. Wanted an Indian Scout sixty but found out about their poor customer service and the fact the closest dealer is a long drive from here (the closest Harley dealer is 10 minutes away). Plus found my Iron for dirt cheap. I like my bike. Is it fast? No. But I didn’t buy it for speed. If I want it faster that’s not hard to do. It can grow with me as I become a better rider. I can ride all day without my butt hurting (my hands are different story, but there are solutions for that). It’s a great entry bike and a blank slate for whatever you want, plus since it’s a Harley, you automatically are part of a huge community and dozens of clubs. I don’t know of any clubs or communities for really any other bike brand and I’ve been around motorcycles my whole life and know plenty of people with other bikes. Most are apart of Harley dominated clubs even though they own Japanese and European brands. I’ve also never heard anyone put them down beyond a little ribbing once in a blue moon. One motorcycle club in my area is 120 years old and is mostly Harleys and always have been, but they let in anyone with a bike. With a phone call I can get advice from 100 different people who have either the knowledge and/or the parts for whatever I need if it has involves a Harley.

[@libertywraith249]

Great video Spite !!

[@ArthurDoesThings8960]

I just bought a 2009 XL883C 12,800 miles from a local in my home town. I totally agree about making it your own because DAMN, I’m already dropping $$ on modifications haha

[@Cowboyspirit]

Personally, I think the 'pure' experience of V-Twin power died when Fuel injected models arrived. A carburetted fed engine makes the bike just that more mechanical and raw.

[@einherjar2545]

That was a great presentation. The "...infected with liquid cooling..." part made me laughed out loud. Literally.

[@Doomer0898]

i have had. 3 honda shadow 1100cc 1 honda vtx 1800cc just bought this exact bike today. i love it. it just feels.... better...

[@GLMarrocos]

Here in Brazil they did stop the distribution. 2020 is the last year for the production and distribution of the 883. For beazilians that like cruiser bikes, the 883 was the entry bike from Harley Davidson here, but since they will discontinue, we here don't have that entry option anymore.

[@beardedforlife3740]

I think they should keep the frame design, but make it lighter. Then exchange the 883 and 1200 for the new revo max 975 and 1250 will retaining the 9k-10k price tag

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

Yep. Would keep my iron and buy a 1250 revo sportster with 140hp. Imagine that 😂💪🏻

[@youngahole9893]

As a crotch rocket rider this bike looks extremely comfortable

[@MitchJohnson0110]

I was looking at a 2016 1200 Sportster. I bought a 1983 Suzuki GS750T instead. (Black and red paint job) The 2016 didn't have a gas gauge, tach, or gear indicator, and scraped pegs on almost every corner. It had fuel injection and adjustable rear shocks though. The 1983 Suzuki was half the displacement, carbureted, made 10-12 more horsepower, has a gear indicator, tach,gas gauge, adjustable rear shocks, fires up every time, is lighter, and was literally 1/5 the price. And it's actually a head turner because that specific year was made to look like a Triumph, and its funny when people see it's a '83 Zuki

[@vincentbeijing6926]

Mitchell Johnson they all have tach and gear indicator, in the digital screen

[@MitchJohnson0110]

@@vincentbeijing6926 there's no screen on the Sportster bud. Just a speedo.

[@vincentbeijing6926]

Mitchell Johnson there’s a button on the left to change the information displayed, so instead of total mileage you can see different stuffs, such as rpm and gear

[@ethan_fischer68]

How exactly do you join the giveaway for free

[@Malignantt1]

I love my 883. Got a brand new 2021 a month ago and already put 2300 miles on it stock. Got the air filter and pipes already, just waiting on the fuelpak (didnt buy extended warranty, thats a whole other story)

[@Claimjumper55]

I used to have a Harley Wide Glide in my collection. I did have some fun times on it but my favorite thing about owning it was having a good comeback when riding my other bikes and someone would say "you should get a Harley". I'd say "I have one and this is way better.

[@Chandrill]

They should keep making it, I have one and I can cut the frame, do a chain convertio and make it a tracker for cheap and not feel bad of all the things im doing to it.

[@Spacerider1]

I think your video was spot on. Basically if you are an individual with an imagination and thinks for yourself, get this bike. If you wanna be like everyone else, get any other bike and put a yammie noob sticker on it. 😘

[@evans2162]

I love Harley’s smaller bikes. I hate the lack of tech. 🤷🏽‍♂️ I think we can all agree on that.

[@stephangronau1082]

I was waiting to find a reason to bash you but, you made complete sense.

[@ridebecauseucan1944]

The amount of money and effort to make an 883 not suck just isn’t worth it to me. Why not just buy a bigger Harley from the start.

[@davidleroth8644]

or an older 883. You can grab one for 3 grand and it's the same goddamn thing despite 10 model year's difference

[@ThatBobGuy850]

Because I don't want a 650 pound motorcycle?

[@benjaminjensen1012]

I'm going to buy a shadow today

[@MannedAutumn]

had my phantom for 2 years now and just love it shadows are a awesome bike

[@jordank5975]

I love seeing those, almost got one myself but the Yamaha Bolt just had the better edge for me with power and performance.

[@jimscherilus6644]

I own 09 shadow spirit C2 great bike. I love it!

[@rogerlee440]

Don’t know who this guy is, but he gets it. I’ve owned Goldwings, Kawi cruisers, Honda bikes Nice review

[@razu1976]

Can you peel off the lettering on the mirrors, or is it etched on? My eyeballs don't like it!

[@AudioArcturia]

The cutting of the Roadster and axing of the Bronx has actually broken my faith in HD going into the future. They sunk their teeth into me with both of those bikes, the roadster being my introduction and the Bronx pulling deeper still into the Bar and Shield cult. But... without them I just don't see myself going down the rabbit hole further.

[@lmafo4utube]

I come back to Yammie after a few months and this guy is a hardcore Harley guy now? Lmao what is going on

[@rafamaldonado5554]

That's not yammie that's his friend

[@Gr1mSkull]

Please buy some decent riding jeans now that you have a role to play in educating new riders.

[@aliasfakename2267]

I recently met a 90yr old rider who has been riding since 1945. He told me that he bought a surplus Harley in the crate after WW2 for $75, or $100 if you wanted it assembled. I wonder what the current value would be had he kept it.

[@Ebbeebbeee]

35k

[@jamesdarnell8568]

Adjusted for inflation, $100 in 1945 would be worth $1,444 in 2020.

[@leeshepherd8486]

As a new rider I will say I absolutely love my iron 883. I will eventually upgrade to a dyna, Fatboy or soft tail. Saying this I will never get rid of my 883 it was love at first sight

[@artvertex4152]

I prefer a Triumph Bobber a lot more if I’m looking for a cruiser in this price range.

[@dgross2009]

Love my iron 883. Ignore the list price, I got my 2019 last Nov for $7500 new. Still have stock pipes, I don't set off any alarms here in Philly like the loud guys do. Just made a couple mods like a sissy bar for my backpack. Perfect size Harley for the streets of Philly and can be had for a good price if you time it right.

[@DuartesGarage]

Yes. They should. They absolutely need to put the revolution in the Sportster

[@morganasplund7929]

NO, its the longest living model....ever....and its the bike that is best at beeing a just a bike and its lumpy idle is perfectly enginerd for the human hart.

[@warrenseiboth3466]

It's engineered for noise only

[@charlespowell7083]

This is the exact bike that made me want a Harley. It just has a feel that I like and can handle for a cruiser. Otherwise it's overpriced and not worth the money for most people.

[@josephandreuccetti8043]

Harley offers No Olin’s, brembos, or real power They could have easy kept the XR1200 DNA and make it look traditional

[@frshtlldthfreshtilldeath9670]

The new bikes all have brembos with HD tag on it. Do research please.

[@caseyjones6316]

What’s a olin’s?

[@Bahlzeron]

@@caseyjones6316 Ohlins, is an aftermarket and OEM suspension manufacturer. I forget where Harley Davidson sources theirs.

[@caseyjones6316]

Bahlzeron oh ok I know of ohlins. HD uses Showa?

[@Bahlzeron]

@@caseyjones6316 Yeah that's it, Showa. Thankyou, totally slipped my mind.

[@masterbiggun7331]

Hey yammie, I'm just now starting to practice riding motorcycles for when I get my license and I am practicing on a 500cc 73' Honda, what should be my next bike in your opinion?

[@austinlecuyer9038]

I thought I would hate this video but now I just wanna go ride my 883!

[@SEPHB_M5_MTB]

Thing is the sportster really isn't a bad bike if you consider the rest of the crap Harley now sell.

[@jesusgeronimo312]

What bike would you recommend for tall people?

[@fayealderferfisher3094]

I took the msf course at Harley Davidson and was so excited to buy one after. Sucks finding out they’re not that great of a bike 😔 there’s just something so enticing about them!

[@mr.b3168]

Who said they're not grear? All the little kids on yammi videos?

[@fayealderferfisher3094]

Mr. Borjas haha, well all of them and some others who say they’re unreliable heavy and clumsy 🤷‍♀️ I’m sure they’re still great bikes but I think I’m gonna have to give up my short lived dream and go with a Honda Rebal

[@mr.b3168]

@@fayealderferfisher3094 wow. Falling for fake news typical.

[@fayealderferfisher3094]

Mr. Borjas hey man I wasn’t trying to start an argument. What’s your opinion then?

[@mr.b3168]

@@fayealderferfisher3094 theyre reliable with many examples of 100k bikes on the road. Sportsters are comparable to other bikes in its category. Not cumbersome or heavy.

[@toofastnobrakes]

What Harley should do is come out with the Bronx and the teased cafe racer already..... for real tho, I want a Harley sport bike

[@conwayfiddy4908]

Get a Buell. Idk why they stopped making Buells, literally a Sportster sport bike. The XB12 made 103hp stock and handles better than anything else from the same era.

[@jordank5975]

Not a bad bike but I'd still take my Bolt R-Spec any day after riding on multiple Irons.

[@aliasfakename2267]

The bolt is a great bike. My buddy foolishly sold his and bought an 89 fxr.

[@robbyclark6915]

You nailed it with the difference between the “original “ and the rest. The Harley is a Harley and the others are not no matter how hard they try. I would never be satisfied with one of the metric offerings vs the iron 883, never. I can’t even help it, nor can I change it, nor do I want to! I bought the iron 883 as my first bike because it’s what I wanted and still do! I loooove what it is, raw, stripped down, old school, pure, motorcycle that isn’t trying to be anything except what it is. The others are trying to be something else. The iron 883 IS the real thing, the genuine article, the original. And no one does it better than Harley Davidson.

[@Min3freak]

They say the first upgrade for a Harley is the seat. Mine was a locking gas cap. still have the seat.