Should Hero Talent Trees Exist?

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@MrExkz Ай бұрын

The problem is that the focused so much more on one specs and not enough time on other. Like all mage and warlock specs was reshuffled for 7-8 weeks straight while dh rogues priests was left with nothing (I know voidweaver looks cool but if you try to understand small details in it - its like bike with wheels of different size, somewhat working but poorly). And ofc they will make it work but when? 11.0.5? 11.1? If you cant deliver game in working state maybe you should just make beta cycle longer? Like give it another month or month and a half. Idk its just sad.

@driveltwaddle7286 Ай бұрын

Hero talents are mostly a huge miss. They should have focused on general talent trees and added class skins instead, which would have had way more potential. Can't wait for another random buff on my outlaw rogue.

@MSalem7777 Ай бұрын

Hero talents are like class trees except they’re easier to balance than just expanding the current ones, because they are on a different point system. Adding ten talent points to the current trees would have allowed for way more build combinations that needed balancing. As it stands, hero talents are a binary choice on top of already existing builds.

@colocode6979 Ай бұрын

i called it a long time ago that hero trees were going to be a mess. there was balance issues and spec issues with many classes when they announced hero talents.

@richiepipes8960 Ай бұрын

It would work if they didnt just give mages and locks a rework and tuning every week instead of all the classes.

@Rockforce80 Ай бұрын

I guess luckily i'm a demon hunter and since the hero talents make no difference visually I can pick whatever is best and not care about it. Don't think that's a good situation to have for one of the main expac features though. Kind of a bummer they are holding visual appeal to a later patch per their interview, when that was sorta the whole fucking point was to add flavor from the hero talent. Hero talents should have just been class skins from the get-go and not some binary choice of power that may or may not even have animations tied to it.

@FelFireGazeTV Ай бұрын

I understand that you need a new thing to bring people into the new expansion, but I honestly think that putting time to optimize our talent trees instead of adding hero talents would end up creating a better gameplay for most classes (definitely for Havoc)

@Foster_The_Wild Ай бұрын

They missed an opportunity to let DH stay in demon form all the time like illidan. It wouldn't even be that OP, just balance it.

@bractar7466 Ай бұрын

was pretty much the case in BFA, still my prefferred iteration since then

@zuralani1 Ай бұрын

maybe in a couple seasons when they finally start responding to some of the design feedback we gave months ago

@zenith_journey Ай бұрын

idk if youve played wow recently, but this is literally wat we had for the entirety of season 2 dragonflight xd

@Foster_The_Wild Ай бұрын

@@zenith_journey not DH

@zuralani1 Ай бұрын

@@zenith_journey ehhhh, i would say comparing CoH/SD to what people want from fel-scarred for a perma-meta isnt exactly accurate. People want to look like the big demon all the time without it being a maintenance buff that requires near 100% boss uptime

@adverbs626 Ай бұрын

needed? prob ably not. but adding nothing to the game would likely be a mistake as people tend ryell when they dont get new toys.

@VooDooSaurus Ай бұрын

I agree i just dont think they really did them in a great way for many specs

@samuelgames8970 11 күн бұрын

I think the main thing is they just didn't have enough time. For example the warlock diabolist tree is another example of a SUPER COOL hero talent tree that feels great and looks awesome, and I'm sure there are more. I definitely do love the overall idea and the execution of a lot of them. It just sucks that a lot of them just didn't have enough development time and are just horrible. But yeah it does beg the question of would've it been better to have class skins + just more generic class tree updates instead of hero talents.

@AR-jf1fv Ай бұрын

I think that the hero talents have made everything so much more complicated

@MSalem7777 Ай бұрын

“Hero talents are bad for some specs but awesome for others so I’m not sure we really need them at all…” Or we could suck it up like Pallies did at the start of DF and wait for a rework instead of wanting to completely trash something that could allow for more build variety?

@VooDooSaurus Ай бұрын

theres not really any build variety, its basically a binary choice when it should have just been a cosmetic thing from the get go

@neroaus9388 Ай бұрын

Thanks for saying all this it and drawing attention to it. The fel hammer discord is just entirely willing to placate the dev in charge of this class when it is literally in a unforgivable state. I cannot in good concious purchase the war within with ANY class in this state with the expansion launch feature being so pathetic.

@TheTlMEWARP Ай бұрын

DH didn't get hero talents, they just got talents.

@Korvinusz22 Ай бұрын

I like the idea of Hero Talents, it's spices up the class in a certain way. But I understand that you might not like the idea of it, since the DH hero talents are pretty poorly made compared to some others :( I played DH for like 2 years now, but I guess I won't be playing it that much in TWW.

@griff7543 Ай бұрын

No new Xpac feature should ever be power related, adding x% to haste or crit or creating new damage windows etc doesn't make a lick of difference cuz alllll the dungeons and raids just get tuned against those new powers. It's not like a player who could only do +5s last season can suddenly do +10s now because he has hero talents. Gameplaywise Hero talents are poor anyway. I play ret and my new hero talent means I push Wake of Ashes twice in a row now instead of once....whoop-di-doo. Hammers from the sky look cool I guess...just make that a mage tower reward and give me something to work towards for a few weeks between dungeons and raids.

@joveonlightbringer9684 Ай бұрын

I wish we had cool visuals right now, but I heard Ion said they would still be working on these after TWW launches. So I am hoping (coping?) the classes who have to wait will get especially nice ones later.

@VooDooSaurus Ай бұрын

they should ya, but its silly that so many of these trees are shipped in half-baked states and are being saved for later

@danielharvey3662 Ай бұрын

They spent all of Dragonflight telling us they were going all-in on evergreen systems. And what happened? The new talent trees literally lasted one expansion and we have a new hero talent system bolted on top of the talent system. This is covenants 2.0. I would have much more preferred getting more talent points to invest in the class and spec trees.

@griff7543 Ай бұрын

Exactly, and what are they going to do next xpac? Mythic talent trees?

@Vis_Electra Ай бұрын

I hate hero talents, but I don't mind them enough to not play TWW the expac as a whole looks wayyy too good 'specially with the dungeon pool. I wish they had spent more dev time with fixing class trees. There is still zero viable builds that focus on Eyebeam which is our most iconic ability.

@rengarlothbrok5696 Ай бұрын

I bet some guy is grinding hard af in the Darkness to give us a top tier patch this xpac idk when it'll drop but I'm sure we'll be OP with one random build out of nowhere (Stop fckn siming everything pls)