Should NATO have held Putin closer? | Lord Robertson

"We should have hugged Putin closer."
Lord Robertson, former General Secretary of NATO, tells Carole Walker we are 'living the consequences' of politicians previously being uninterested in working with the Russians.
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[@whysoserious8666]

The only way to appease Putin is to give him what he wants. If you give Putin what he wants, then he’ll just want more. See the problem.

[@gosolvideos]

If you remember 2000 putin wanted to make russia more like western he come from more liberal cities of Russia and he couldn't understand why nato expanding to his borders in context putin is not as bad as you see on western media

[@davidwallace4665]

@@gosolvideos Yes he's not as bad he's totally and utterly WORSE

[@ScienceTalkwithJimMassa]

@@gosolvideos It's not that NATO expanded eastward, but eastern Europe moved westward because they wanted protection from brutal russian aggression.

[@ProjectKyo001]

Valeriya Novodvorskaya 2014 † kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZ7YqHyMjtaSY68 (2014)

[@Commander_ZiN]

@@gosolvideos have you even looked into all of Putin's mass murders before 2000? People like that don't play well with others.

[@kellycrete]

The father of the Klitschko brothers died from exposure from the Chernobyl clean up. He knows full well what a nuclear disaster really looks like

[@CedarHunt]

Saying that we should have cleaved to Russia more than we did is astoundingly absurd. Furthermore the idea that the west could have averted Russian aggression if we had done so is grotesque and moronic.

[@tinapatton7346]

Peaceful Putin wanted to join NATO but illegal U.S. War-Criminals SNUBBED him! Ex-NATO Head George Robertson (UK Labour) met peaceful Putin NINE times politely wanting to join NATO & the EU. Until Robbo left NATO in 2003 and constant Global threats U.S. War Criminals illegally invading the middle-East (opposed by U.N. peaceful Putin) falsely smeared peaceful Putin as a 'threat'. In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head George Lord Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?' I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us. But after I left NATO (in Dec 2003) the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by peaceful Putin) lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for post-Soviet peace which Russia was among the first to join in 1994). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXYhaaHZtCoj7c

[@henkiejong1136]

If Europe wants to keep Russia out of Europe then start supporting Ukraine now with all they have. RuSSia will not stop , they have to be stopped.

[@tinapatton7346]

Peaceful Putin wanted to join NATO but illegal U.S. War-Hawks SNUBBED him! Ex-NATO Head George Robertson (UK Labour) met peaceful Putin NINE times politely wanting to join NATO & the EU. Until Robbo left NATO in 2003 and constant Global threats U.S. War Criminals illegally invading the middle-East (opposed by U.N. peaceful Putin) falsely smeared peaceful Putin as a 'threat'. In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head George Lord Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?' I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us. But after I left NATO (in Dec 2003) the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by peaceful Putin) lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for post-Soviet peace which Russia was among the first to join in 1994). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXYhaaHZtCoj7c

[@timhill9189]

How about this, 'you hold him close' and he yet still invades Ukraine? It's not about Russia being threatened by NATO, it's about Putin being threatened by a more democratic and successful state next door.

[@hkuiper100]

And hating Ukrainian independence. Ukraine should still be in the USSR. Putin has said that himself.

[@clivehorridge]

@@hkuiper100 The part Putin misses is there is no USSR anymore, Russia is not the USSR, and Ukraine is Ukraine in the same sense that Russia is Russia. I wonder how Putin would have reacted if - ad absurdum - Ukraine had invaded Russia on the same USSR pretext?

[@andrewstehlik3917]

If you hear a Russian leader saying that some other nation is sovereign nation entitled to make its own decision - that is the very coded language meaning the very opposite be prepared for Russian aggression. That was also the language of the Bratislava Declaration in August 3rd 1968. On the 21st of August Russian tanks rolled to Czechoslovakia and Prague.

[@joecool9739]

They did hold him close Thats what gave him confidence to commit all his crimes, because the West was weak when it came to Putin and his gas/oil

[@APW554]

Hold him underwater would be a better idea.

[@joecool9739]

@@APW554 Hold him in a chokehold would have been valid too

[@erhardbaehni1832]

Payments for Russian oil and gas needs to be done into an escrow account with the attachment payments is due when every Russian soldier has departed Ukrainen soil 🏆

[@mistermarcus4281]

It's a bit more complicated. The West was weak, because Putin managed to influence Europe in the last 20 years and cause chaos in the countries. Trump? Supported by Putin. Brexit? Supported by Putin. Germany's dependence on Russian gas? Supported by Putin. Orban? Supported by Putin. Furthermore: The refugee crisis was not only started by Putin (Russian army started to bomb civilian targets in Syria in 2015), but they supported the Anti-Covid movement in Europe and the anti-Climate-Change movement with money, intelligence and propaganda.

[@joecool9739]

@@mistermarcus4281 Putin had zero influence The influence came from oil, gas and natural resources that Russia provided for Europes economic powerhouses Putin leveraged this influence by making them very, very cheap Cheap commodities = more money and profit for European companies Money talks

[@scottishsawmillingservices5517]

There is a common interest for the entire planet in stopping this madness

[@hymns4ever197]

Putin released the grain as a matter of global politics. He finally realized how bad he is looking on the international stage. It is a small fraction of the grain normally exported by Ukraine, but it gives a big boost to his image in 3rd world countries.

[@peace4myheart]

You do know that the current state of the Russian economy is pretty bad, despite all the propaganda put out by the Russian government that says otherwise. You also forget that the other part of the grain deal for Ukraine is that Russia gets to sell their fertilizer to the world without sanctions right? Pretty sure Putin doesn't give a damn about his image, just his ego.

[@jasperchance3382]

Yeah, now he can count on support by such great and powerfull countries such as Mozambique and Lesotho! Now that's grand strategy!

[@steve-real]

Ukraine needs a NATO standard air force. The West has a lot of fighter jet platforms they could use to defend themselves. The next phase is on. We can and must do better

[@briangasser973]

The training to fly, ability to service and learning to use its weapons systems will take years. The F15,16,18 have been around for generations and easily susceptible to Russian S300 and S400 systems.

[@boink800]

Should have the League of Nations held Adolf closer? Of course not. Putin is the 21th century's Adolf.

[@tinapatton7346]

Peaceful Putin wanted to join NATO but illegal U.S. War-Criminals SNUBBED him! Ex-NATO Head George Robertson (UK Labour) met peaceful Putin NINE times politely wanting to join NATO & the EU. Until Robbo left NATO in 2003 and constant Global threats U.S. War-Criminals illegally invading the middle-East (opposed by U.N. peaceful Putin) falsely smeared peaceful Putin as a 'threat'. In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head George Lord Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?' I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us. But after I left NATO (in Dec 2003) the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by peaceful Putin) lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for post-Soviet peace which Russia was among the first to join in 1994). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXYhaaHZtCoj7c

[@DrawTheThinLine]

Well said Lord Robertson. 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@BuddhaGuitar1]

No dictator should be given an inch. Which ironically is the height of Putin.

[@karstenschuhmann8334]

Actually, no invader should be given an inch attacks regardless if the invader is democratic or not.

[@tinapatton7346]

Peaceful Putin wanted to join NATO but illegal U.S. War-Criminals SNUBBED him! Ex-NATO Head George Robertson (UK Labour) met peaceful Putin NINE times politely wanting to join NATO & the EU. Until Robbo left NATO in 2003 and constant Global threats U.S. War Criminals illegally invading the middle-East (opposed by U.N. peaceful Putin) falsely smeared peaceful Putin as a 'threat'. In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head George Lord Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?' I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us. But after I left NATO (in Dec 2003) the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by peaceful Putin) lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for post-Soviet peace which Russia was among the first to join in 1994). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXYhaaHZtCoj7c

[@mitseraffej5812]

4:45 “ NATO is a defensive alliance “ One could argue that the 2016 meddling in US politics resulting in Trump becoming President was an act of war and the toxic fallout is still raining down on the US.

[@ScienceTalkwithJimMassa]

Also meddling and causing Brexit.

[@ddoppster]

I'd say it's raining more on Russia now. Having the clown Trump elected, woke NATO countries and thinking US conservatives to America's role in Europe. Putin reunited NATO brilliantly, making it greatly stronger now. Putin made us aware of what meddling could occur in this age, and now we're better prepared. Putin exposed his imperial greed beyond any ally's doubts, Germany et al now are hurting, but regaining their energy independence, Russia's a bleeding pariah, who will take a long time to heal and rejoin Europe, in any fashion. Lastly, loud and proud China is watching the costs of overt aggression, very closely. Every bad turn still has its lessons and benefits.

[@mitseraffej5812]

@@ddoppster Well said.

[@hkuiper100]

Nonsense. Trump was the first US President to give Ukraine weapons. Fact. Those weapons, especially the javelins, saved the Ukrainians at the beginning of this war.

[@Grundewalt]

"working with Putin" lead us where we are, at the brink of precipice. More of that would have lead us a step further.

[@tinapatton7346]

Peaceful Putin wanted to join NATO but illegal U.S. War-Criminals SNUBBED him! Ex-NATO Head George Robertson (UK Labour) met peaceful Putin NINE times politely wanting to join NATO & the EU. Until Robbo left NATO in 2003 and constant Global threats U.S. War Criminals illegally invading the middle-East (opposed by U.N. peaceful Putin) falsely smeared peaceful Putin as a 'threat'. In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head George Lord Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?' I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us. But after I left NATO (in Dec 2003) the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by peaceful Putin) lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for post-Soviet peace which Russia was among the first to join in 1994). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXYhaaHZtCoj7c

[@djc9727]

This guy has selected memories! Putin has been Putin sense before he came into power. Of course he said those things when Ukraine was controlled and influenced Russia. When he lost control he changed his mind.

[@barkupatree6871]

to the clown posse that is england, i am reminded of an old russian saying: “fvuk around and find out!!” 🤣🤣🤣 always enjoy the comedy programs in times radio..about as funny as your silly queen 🫅 🤣🤣

[@PETE4955]

Keep you friends close keep your enemies closer.

[@housespecial1074]

Closer to the fire.

[@DJFAmenHeavy]

“Russia is a superpower” 😂😂😂🤡

[@prof.puggle1631]

awesome insight

[@aaronburge3680]

If Nato is a defensive alliance, which it could well be. Would America stand for the South Americans having there own defensive alliance? Thats the point.

[@edwardhannahsamuel730]

He's a mad man nothing would have changed

[@tinapatton7346]

Peaceful Putin wanted to join NATO but illegal U.S. War-Criminals SNUBBED him! Ex-NATO Head George Robertson (UK Labour) met peaceful Putin NINE times politely wanting to join NATO & the EU. Until Robbo left NATO in 2003 and constant Global threats U.S. War Criminals illegally invading the middle-East (opposed by U.N. peaceful Putin) falsely smeared peaceful Putin as a 'threat'. In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head George Lord Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?' I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us. But after I left NATO (in Dec 2003) the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by peaceful Putin) lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for post-Soviet peace which Russia was among the first to join in 1994). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXYhaaHZtCoj7c

[@SNOWDONTRYFAN]

working with ! get real , just ask the former soviet block countries what working with Putin looks like , the word trust would feature in their answer and note the same countries who most didn't listen to !

[@tinapatton7346]

Peaceful Putin wanted to join NATO but illegal U.S. War-Criminals SNUBBED him! Ex-NATO Head George Robertson (UK Labour) met peaceful Putin NINE times politely wanting to join NATO & the EU. Until Robbo left NATO in 2003 and constant Global threats U.S. War Criminals illegally invading the middle-East (opposed by U.N. peaceful Putin) falsely smeared peaceful Putin as a 'threat'. In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head George Lord Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?' I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us. But after I left NATO (in Dec 2003) the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by peaceful Putin) lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for post-Soviet peace which Russia was among the first to join in 1994). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXYhaaHZtCoj7c

[@bilgyno1]

It seems to me the West has not seriously held Russia at a distance until 2022 (perhaps 2014 a little bit).

[@Liendoelcm]

This man speaks the truth I feel. Why do we not hear more of him?

[@peterfireflylund]

Because he retired. He was the Secretary General of NATO 20 years ago and, wisely, kept quiet when he left that job. He didn’t want to muddy the waters for his successors.

[@MikeOxlong-]

Answer to the title question: ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! Vladolf needs the chair, not a friend... 🤦‍♂️

[@skaraborgcraft]

Some one remind this chap about Chagos. UK has NO moral high ground to preach to others.

[@enkhyy]

"Keep your friends close and your enemies closer".

[@tomonabudget]

Great guest. Not sure of tue host with her constant conservative remarks.

[@Zerox_Prime]

Hold Putin closer? Russia says NATO is too close.

[@briangasser973]

Occupy vs control is right to be pointed out. The US in Afghanistan found out the difference.

[@user-yp9nz6bs9q]

Thanks for the captions.

[@chairde]

What does, “ Hold Putin closer” mean?

[@histershellac2842]

Nah, they should have made him some tea

[@peterfireflylund]

Goot, stronk Russian tea!

[@jpx1508]

I was in the USSR when it came apart, and the Russian politic and civilians were desperately hoping the West would come in with guidance and assistance at the level we helped to rebuild Germany. Russians badly wanted to be our close friends. We had that opportunity with Yeltsin and Clinton, and then with Putin and Bush. Clinton was busy partying with the Hollywood crowd, and Bush inherited his father's Cold War prejudices. Russians took it very hard when we left them to drown. We blew it both times.

[@timhill9189]

The West had plenty of guidance, investment, support and friendly intentions, I have played a small role in building these bridges myself. The comparison with Germany as utterly nonsensical as Germany had been utterly defeated and physically annihilated. The Soviet Union in 1990-91 did not collapse because of Western aggression and victory. How did 'we' leave them 'to drown'?

[@McConnachy]

…and all these western companies that mutually benefit Russia and themselves are pulling out, because Russia started a war

[@NYJGreatness]

It was Russia and its citizens job to guide the country. I'm not sure why the west would have "had" to do it for Russia.

[@karstenschuhmann8334]

Western companies tried to invest in Russia but it turned out to be not sustainable for most of them. Too much criminality, too much corruption. Only predatory investors will try this. It does not require a lot of external guide to know what to improve, and still this guide was given over and over again.

[@karstenschuhmann8334]

@@timhill9189 And no country occupied the Russian equivalent of the Rhineland.

[@philipcormier3075]

It's only just begun!

[@forthrightgambitia1032]

13:50 he skips after the 2007 cyber attack on Estonia.

[@nickkacures2304]

Domestic energy like Wind,Solar,battery storage, electric vehicles,efficient appliances,and Nuclear base load power if still Necessary would go a long way to defang oil/resource based dictators

[@ЭЮЯ-о3к]

NATO dictators always call dictators those rulers who do not allow them to plunder their country.

[@milutinke]

4:50 "It's not an aggressive organization". Wrong it is, we in Serbia know this too well. NATO is one of the reasons why Putin became paranoid. NATO should be dissolved and a new European only organization that would include Russia (once it's democratic) should be established.

[@olivergrumitt2601]

Nato intervened against Serbia to stop the Serbs from committing genocide in Kosovo. NATO did NOT invade Serbia, and did not attempt to change the government there by force. Sure, Nato made mistakes, like bombing the Chinese embassy accidently, but many lives in Kosovo were saved by NATO’s intervention. There was collateral damage, but collateral damage always happens in a conflict.

[@penelopecreighton-ward1856]

Well that was the biggest legacy covering attempt for the year. Did he have his eyes closed pre-2008?

[@justinzak5025]

TLDR: no. Russia was treated based on how it acted. Probably better than it’s actions

[@lw1zfog]

Lord Robertson of Edinburgh’s Freemason Speculative Society, Thomas Hamilton, Dunblane.

[@pairadice3186]

Whats the obsession with the name "vladamire" in russia man???

[@makishavadjias8696]

DOES HE WANT A GREATER RUSSIA OR HE DOES NOT WANT A A SMALLER RUSSIA ?

[@KodaGSD-uf3hg]

To defeat Putin it must be internal

[@ckcnj9175]

No. Terrorists do not belong in alliances. Turkey is proving to be problematic, as it is.

[@makishavadjias8696]

ABOUT TIME YOU HAVE PUT SOME BLAME ON SOMEONE ELSE OTHER THAN THE RUSSIANS / GOOD START

[@kabzaify]

Why shell a plant under their control, total misinformation

[@cdes68]

Hold a Virusse closer. For what?

[@robertbrennan2268]

Slava Ukraini!

[@Daniel.P.2024]

You're guest is spot on.. the reporter is useless and lacks understanding of the subject and what words mean.

[@makishavadjias8696]

YES SEND PEOPLE TO LATIN AMERICA AND IF THEY DONT LISTEN TELL THEM WE KNOW HOW TO CHANGE YOUR FRONTIERS BEST OF ALL/ DONT WE

[@elspoocho4637]

i keep wondering who these random "expert" guests are

[@jamesewanchook2276]

Send brave Ukrainians everything they need pronto; let brave 'Ukes' put an end to Putin's murderous neo 'Holodomoric' genocidal folly. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦🇨🇦!!

[@tvwatcher1883]

-i would have asked him about how russia poisoned then presidential candidate Yushchenko in Ukraine in 2004

[@philipcormier3075]

No one is listening to the English but the English, except for me by accident I should say 😆

[@philipcormier3075]

I find it funny when the English are only talking to the English and they believe they're talking to the world 😆

[@jamesleaty7308]

As a Lord his dutys are ranging. Most people in our age mirror his views. Putin's attack came out of left field for everyone.

[@tinapatton7346]

Peaceful Putin wanted to join NATO but illegal U.S. War-Criminals SNUBBED him! Ex-NATO Head George Robertson (UK Labour) met peaceful Putin NINE times politely wanting to join NATO & the EU. Until Robbo left NATO in 2003 and constant Global threats U.S. War Criminals illegally invading the middle-East (opposed by U.N. peaceful Putin) falsely smeared peaceful Putin as a 'threat'. In September 2022, during the 7th month of the Ukraine War, interviewed by Channel 4 about his nine meetings with Vladimir Putin, ex-NATO Head George Lord Robertson said, "At the first meeting (in Moscow, Oct 2001) Vladimir Putin clearly said, 'I WANT RUSSIA TO BE PART OF WESTERN EUROPE...at the 2nd meeting (in Brussels) he said..'WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO INVITE RUSSIA TO (apply to) JOIN NATO?' I started to sort of reach out and engage them in so many activities that they basically couldn't fight with us. But after I left NATO (in Dec 2003) the American administration, the Bush administration (DURING THEIR OWN ILLEGAL WAR ON IRAQ opposed by peaceful Putin) lost any interest basically in doing business with Russia, they saw it as a threat..they didn't really want to make it part of the overall partnership (for post-Soviet peace which Russia was among the first to join in 1994). I think we missed an opportunity at that time because I think it's what he (Putin) wanted, and we could have grabbed hold of him!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYXYhaaHZtCoj7c

[@nickkacures2304]

The curse of oil is reaching an end as the potential for a global economy based on renewables will cause a massive shift in power with all the transition troubles thrown in.Change is terrifying!!!!!

[@olivergrumitt2601]

Trouble with renewables is that they probably will never supply more than a small fraction of energy needs. Otherwise we would already have got most if not all of out energy needs from renewables by now. Whether one likes it or not, Oil will stay be a vital part of energy and other needs for many years to come. It will probably only end when humanity has self destructed or when it runs out.

[@yakshi0078]

If there is no Russia,China would have grabbed Siberia and central Asia. Direct treat to small countries like Germany, UK etc.

[@philipcormier3075]

England and America and Europe has to have their allies in order to help them win anything at all and now they are still losing to put in the mightiest man on Earth!

[@terrencekane8203]

NATO's border with Russia has doubled since Russia invaded Ukraine. As a military strategist, Putin is as smart as a bag of hammers.

[@janethompson5153]

Philip with that size forehead you would have thought you had 🧠 but you clearly dont

[@olivergrumitt2601]

I think you really mean the most dangerous man on Earth. He can hardly be the mightiest man on Earth if he has still not been able to defeat Ukraine, a far smaller country than Russia.

[@rafisimon9312]

היא פרו רוסית לפי השאלות

[@Siempre1978]

"The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine. High-precision, long-range sea-based Kalibr missiles have destroyed an ammunition depot containing missiles for US-made HIMARS multiple-launch rocket systems and Western-made anti-aircraft systems near Majorskoye, Odessa Region. Russian Aerospace Forces' air strike has destroyed a fuel depot of the 102nd Territorial Defence Brigade, which was storing more than 100 tonnes of diesel fuel for military equipment near Gulyai Polye, Zaporozhye Region. As a result of strikes on positions of 2nd Battalion of 28th Mechanized Brigade near Novogrigorovka, Nikolaev Region, and 18th Battalion of 35th Marines Brigade of AFU near Tokarevo, Kherson Region, the enemy suffered irrecoverable losses of over 100 men as well as 7 units of armoured and special vehicles. As a result of shelling of positions of 2nd Battalion of 66th Mechanized Brigade of AFU, over 30 personnel, 1 tank and 5 special vehicles have been destroyed near Novomikhailovka in Donetsk People's Republic. Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery strikes continue against military facilities in Ukraine. During the day, 6 AFU command posts have been hit, including those of 14th Mechanized Brigade near Rogan' in Kharkov Region, battalions of 54th, 93rd and 64th mechanized brigades near Yagodnoye, Artemovsk in Donetsk People's Republic and Charivnoye in Zaporozhye Region, as well as 167 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration. 6 missile and artillery weapons and ammunition depotsnear Charivnoye in Zaporozhye, Konstantinovka, Zvanovka, Il'inka, Galitsynovka and Kirovo in Donetsk People's Republic, 2 fuel depots for military equipment near Galitsinovka and Konstantinovka in Donetsk People's Republic, and 1 artillery battery in Novogrigorivka in Donetsk People's Republic have been destroyed, In addition, a temporary deployment point of the Right Sector nationalist group has been destroyed near Tsukurino, Donetsk People's Republic, as well as 2 US M777 howitzers at combat positions near near Knyazevka, Kherson Region. Russian air defence means have shot down 9 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near the settlements of Staromlynovka and Gorlovka in Donetsk People's Republic. Shell of Olkha multiple rocket launcher has been also intercepted near Kamenka, Kharkov Region. In total, 267 Ukrainian airplanes and 148 helicopters, 1,785 unmanned aerial vehicles, 367 anti-aircraft missile systems, 4,359 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 810 multiple launch rocket systems, 3,323 field artillery and mortars, as well as 4,984 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation." Russian Defence Ministry Report Sunday 21st August 2022

[@ianjackson8371]

Thanks Mark. Wonder why Times Radio et al never give us a detailed breakdown of whats going on.

[@007nait]

@@ianjackson8371 Why would they? This channel Radio Times is pro - NATO/US and it does not give exact figure and other opinion other than glorifying themselves. But having said that I enjoy listening this channel for information and establish my own perspectives.

[@davidwallace4665]

Anything that any Russian department says then the exact opposite is the truth. The Russian Government is run by a band of common Criminal's.

[@ianjackson8371]

@@007nait I listen, to paraphrase George Carlin, because I like my BS upfront so I can get a good strong whiff of it.

[@ABCXYZ-jk8me]

Rapture

[@mikgol81]

I always hit back when i realise you've played the same thing twice... do you get satisfaction from wasting those 2 minutes of my life with your poor editing trick??

[@007nait]

My question is how long NATO/US is going to keep on finding a country like Ukraine who is doing all the hard work and war for them? If they do not take Russia and Russian into their fold, I am afraid that I am seeing some sustain war in Europe for quite sometime. One thing for sure is Russia is not Iraq and Afghanistan where NATO/US fought one side superior war where they bombed , occupied for 20 years and slaughtered women and children, committed war crimes and turned these countries into stone age. This war is not even six months old and I am seeing Europeans are already tired and just imagine how they are going to act, react and suffer for another years or so when this war keeps on dragging? I am seeing all the guilty aggressors in NATO/US and Russia as evils, and see no difference among them at all. This is a proxy war and I am seeing a long haul here. God Bless Europe.

[@magnasquids7864]

You didn't see a difference between NATO and Russia?

[@007nait]

@@magnasquids7864 No - my friend both are aggressors and have brutally attacked sovereign states in our recent history. How can we forget what NATO did in Afghanistan for 20 years ? Both Putin and NATO are war criminals and aggressors. They should be condemned.

[@Blanka1100]

If Russia was a friendly country, all those former soviet satelite states like Lithuania, Latvia or Poland would have to need to turn their back on Russia and join Nato.

[@ЭЮЯ-о3к]

@@magnasquids7864 NATO is a terrorist organization. Russia is a country fighting against terrorism.

[@peterfireflylund]

@@magnasquids7864 Russia is paying him (in potatoes), NATO is not :)

[@peterkobor5470]

I think in the near future Russia will use small nuclear devices. The risk factor is minimal because the West has more to loose and will most likely not risk a big war for Ukraine. In the end this is about making money for a select group on both sides. After the 24th August we might know more.

[@davidnicholls7532]

The Russians original said they were open to IAEA visiting the plant but Ukraine demanded that the IAEA enter the power plant only from Ukraine. The Russians pointed out that this was difficult but have agreed it can happen. It is obvious the it is the Ukrainians are the ones shelling the nuclear power plant (with US supplied weapons?)

[@ianjackson8371]

NATO a defensive organisation! People of Iraq, Serbia Libya Afghanistan etc. have left the chat.

[@jdocean1]

All those conflicts are different from the Russian war of conquest. Comparison doesn’t make sense.

[@ЭЮЯ-о3к]

@@jdocean1 NATO has unleashed a war in Ukraine, as in Syria, Libya, Yugoslavia and dozens of other countries.

[@ЭЮЯ-о3к]

@@jdocean1 Russia does not capture anyone. Russia only helps Ukrainians to fight against the puppet Ukrainian/NATO regime.

[@007nait]

@@jdocean1 No, my friend comparison is relevant as NATO/US did brutally attacked attack sovereign states in our recent history. How can we forget what NATO did in Afghanistan for 20 years ? They were not there for fun. Both Putin and NATO are war criminals, evil and aggressors. They should be condemned. Not to mention slaughtering, innocents women and children, wiping out entire generation, committed war crimes and turned this country into stone age. These are relevant and must be compared with our recent memory and history.

[@ianjackson8371]

@@jdocean1 True, Nato usually only bombs brown people (apart from Serbia who made the mistake of being friendly with Russia).

[@jandavey7372]

There is an old adage, keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer. And actions speak louder than words. JANBOY. RN. Rtd.