Should the church support the total abolition of abortion?

[@jillstewart7355]

There should never be a question about the sin of abortion. Period.

[@joshuaestrada6042]

Yeah, but there should be questions on how to deal with abortion. I mean banning it outright by which I mean turning down Roe v. Wade would not be a good idea. Since it would be left up to the states. And if that doesn't tell me that is a shot in the foot idk what is.

[@joshuaestrada6042]

Also we must deal with the issue of birth control, as well as mothers who can't provide care. Also the mothers who were forced to have children through the process of rape. So while abortion is evil which must be ended at all cost. We must take care of the problems that go along with it.

[@crystalhaataja304]

No that's the way we need to do it states have done it with medical Marijuana. Why can't we for abortion?

[@ibperson7765]

The question comes from people who dont think a microscopic four-celled zygote is a human being.

[@freechair4890]

You’re a zygote

[@PracticalBibleStudies]

Should the church oppose murder? Yes? Then yes.

[@MarshalWalk3r]

But abortion isn’t murder you silly little indoctrinated goose

[@JonSpeedTheBookScout]

Thank you for a clear answer to a question that should not be controversial.

[@Purplemountainsoaps]

Except for the beginning when he didn’t finish the “life of the mother” issue. ‘‘Twas left dangling. You know the deal Brother. Treat both as patients. -Sarah Grimke Fish

[@patrickc3419]

Jon Speed!!! 😁 Pat C. here; Beth’s husband! Thank you for your ministry; 5 Solas from Buffalo 🙏

[@thomasnorton2679]

Absolutely. Restricting abortion is simply allowing it in certain circumstances. Nothing less than total abolition will suffice.

[@silversurfer2703]

Tell that to the dying mother.

[@jwtrain]

@@silversurfer2703 That's life saving care in a hospital, not an abortion. The medical team would be trying to save both lives, not intentionally murdering the child.

[@Purplemountainsoaps]

@@silversurfer2703 we should never murder one life to save another. PERIOD. It’s still murder. The medical team should treat both as patients.

[@1stGruhn]

@@jwtrain there are situations that are tragically such that a choice is needed. Modern medicine has given us options never before historically available. Birthing was the main cause of death for both babies and women. Look up ectopic pregnancies. This is a situation where the baby will likly die before being viable outside the womb and if not removed, the mother may also die. And to remove a baby before viability is killing it. This is a tragic reality, but one modern medicine makes available. Historically, both would just die. Abortion as birth control is wrong and is murder. But outlawing all intentional killings of babies will cause aditional harm and death. But outside of life threatening situations, where I would say the decision ought to be left up to the parents, yes, abortion ought to be treated as murder.

[@thomasnorton2679]

@@silversurfer2703 If a mother's life is threatened by a pregnancy, a C-section can be performed. It is a surgical procedure that delivers the baby prematurely, it does not kill the baby.

[@mbgrafix]

_Take no prisoners!_ *Complete* abolition of abortion and nothing less!!!

[@56pjr]

amen.

[@AlonzoMourningCollector]

Amen. The 2nd speaker hit the nail on the head.

[@garycornwell2431]

Amen, thank you my brothers in Christ for putting forth this message into this crooked and perverse world (age) we live in, may God bless you all with His presence always!!!

[@hammerbarca6]

I appreciate this (especially parsons comments). The temptation today is to make everything so nuanced as to lose any meaning. We need clarity spoken when the issues are clear.

[@valleyscharping]

Amen and amen. Thank you for speaking out on the total, immediate abolition of abortion.

[@rosea2350]

I have a congenital heart condition and when I was pregnant I knew there as a possibility that I may have to chose between my life and my baby’s life. I wasn’t even saved then and I said my baby’s life is more important than mine. A true mother is sacrificial.

[@DogSoldier1948]

This is a quote I ran across Bacteria is life on Mars but a heartbeat isn't life on Earth.

[@horrificpleasantry9474]

Problem is it's still an person for weeks before the heartbeat

[@luisking7228]

The Didache AD 50 (approx.) Church Fathers. "you shall not murder a child by abortion nor kill what is begotten."

[@Tom67X]

Abolition. Period. No quarter. Not "pro-life."

[@ekklesiamuskogee]

Amen, pastor Burk. Abortion must be immediately abolished without exception or compromise. It is never necessary to murder a baby to save the mother. A doctor always treats both patients and does whatever he can to save both. Abolish abortion.

[@kennethrandolph2495]

The Church should be 1000% against Abortions period. But should be as strong if not more against Fornication especially among it's Professing Believers.

[@Arkeo36]

And to that I would add: opposition to divorce and remarriage on non-biblical grounds.

[@kennethrandolph2495]

@@Arkeo36 Agreed.

[@LaCréé.e]

@@Arkeo36 This is the one. I don't know any real professing christians who support fornication. But today I find that most are wishy washy on the topic of divorce (for any other reason than adultery or abandonment of non believer) and remarriage.

[@Arkeo36]

Absolutley. Pastors don't perform abortions in the sanctuary on Sunday after serving communion, and many churches preach against sexual sins (various flavors of fornication), but there are far too many otherwise God-fearing pastors who will remarry one or more partners who divorced or were divorced for non-biblical reasons because "God is love." Too often churches talk tough when it comes to abortion, gay and gender issues, etc. because they know that's safe - there's no expectation they can really make headway on those grounds because Christians have no real power in our post-Christian societies. Meanwhile many churches won't address issues like remarriage and divorce, the creep of so-called "feminism" and other anti-biblical liberal-egalitarian idolotry of the self into their congregations, all of which churches can actually do something about.

[@normanmilquetoast1]

@Sage of Synergism Because He says so, you intellectual munchkin. ;) Would you like to have an accountable exchange on the topic?

[@ChristyOFaghan]

Dr. Sinclair voiced the profound thought that God 'gave us these people' - and yet we are so mired and foolishly blind in our sin, that we destroyed them and Mr. Parsons added to that by highlighting the sheer criminality of such an act, to view people as mere objects to be disposed of, drawing the apt comparison of slavery to abortion -- and how such an evil as kidnapping people to exploit them, is only surpassed by murdering them in the womb

[@bettyh7586]

I love listening to Sinclair Ferguson. I love his heart. May this message be proclaimed loudly.

[@Susan-rx1yf]

To do anything less than criminalizing abortion for ALL participants is to deny justice to the least of these. Abolishing abortion immediately is the only way to Do Justly, Love Mercy and Walk Humbly.

[@bonniesgarden7869]

I do hope Sinclair Ferguson is aware that there is no such thing as a life-threatening condition that requires a baby to be intentionally killed in order to save the mother's life.

[@Mic1904]

There are absolutely pregnancies where to continue with it would be a death-sentence for the mother on the delivery table (or sooner).

[@horrificpleasantry9474]

@@Mic1904 but the point is that an ABORTION is not the medical intervention required in those situations. The death of the child may be the side effect of treating the mother, but killing the child is never required to save the mother's life. Here is an analogy Mark Spence (producer of Living Waters with Ray Comfort) used. Saving the life of the mother is like coming across a car wreck and pulling the mom out of the car before it explodes, killing the baby in the back seat. "abortion to save the life of the mother" is like coming across a car wreck, opening the door, but before you pull the mother to safety, reaching into the backseat and shooting the baby in the face. That's exactly analogous to the difference between trying to save the mother's life and abortion. Abortion does not need to be legal to save mothers. If an infant dies as a result of triage, that you're focusing on the mom and hoping to help the child if you can, that's totally different than actively killing the child, claiming that it's for the mother's sake

[@Mic1904]

@@horrificpleasantry9474 I wholeheartedly agree with your logic and your argument (I take this precise view myself) and would never agree with the intentional killing. What confuses the matter somewhat is our terminology. You rightly identify that abortion, as we commonly understand it, involves the killing of an infant, but in Sinclair Ferguson's example, he's merely using an example of an infant being removed from the womb on medical grounds (an act that some would consider abortive, in common parlance, since it is, in fact, aborting the process of pregnancy insofar as the pregnancy is halted and ceases to continue). I agree with you entirely - I think sometimes we're just talking past one another in terms of our terminology and definitions.

[@me73941]

@Bonnies Garden is correct. This is a fundamental myth originated by the pro-abortion lobby and swollowed hook, line and sinker by the pro-life movement. It's a very detailed issue I could not possibly hope to address in its entirety here, but I will refer anyone interested to an organization of pro-life physicians called AAPLOG, who specialize in debunking many of the often-repeated myths surrounding abortion, and especially the myth that abortion may be necessary to save the life of the mother.

[@freechair4890]

Yeah. But you can “not continue” a pregnancy without killing the baby first. That’s called birth.!

[@crystalhaataja304]

The question is- how often are the mothers *actually* dying? Medical professionals are wrong all the time. I'm a mom. I'd gladly die for any of my babies. I'd hope and pray for the Lord to save us both, if there were any other way, but the 6th commandment is the standard and killing our children is murder. Abraham trusted God when God told him to sacrifice Isaac, and we should trust GOD when it seems as if our lives may be at risk.

[@Purplemountainsoaps]

Thanks for catching that in the beginning sister! #AHA #noexceptions

[@doubleeranch169]

Thank you Crystal. My wife has said the same thing many times.

[@dimains6011]

I believe ectopic pregnancies are what he's referring to. I don't think they ever result in the life of the child being preserved, and they can also kill the mother. But that's not what babies are aborted for. It's far less than 1% of abortions.

[@williamgullett5911]

@Robert Townrow There would be other medical professionals to do it.

[@williamgullett5911]

We need to especially trust GOD when things are bad. Job is a great example

[@nicheleharp7904]

Praise God for you Ligonier!! Thank you for speaking out against abortion in this clear and biblical way. May God use you to raise many up.

[@williamadams1348]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!

[@schoolprojects5399]

Someone needs to send this to Tim Keller

[@m0usju1c3]

Haha

[@viviennebricklayer]

Why?

[@patrickc3419]

Amen!!! Interesting timing, what with the recent Supreme Court ruling, that coward, nonChristian now has an added sentence under his Twitter page that he now doesn’t “comment on current events”.

[@davidjennings1256]

Both 🇬🇧 & 🇺🇸 need the contribution of the other speaker here!

[@lai_strength_training]

Yes. Without question or compromise.

[@cornerstonechurchpca8027]

Great Video. The church needs to be crystal clear on where we stand when it comes to the dismembering of the Imago Dei in the womb.

[@pamelahilderbrand9964]

Yes, all abortion is murder/sin and should be stopped. We must speak up for those babies who can't, while at the same time come alongside those mothers and offer compassion and the love of Christ. Be there for them.

[@jimberry7411]

The World has given itself over to Satan and Abortion is one of hs greatest victories. Education through the teachings of Jesus and love towards our fellow Man is the only answer, The World does not want to listen because sin is more attractive than righteousness and righteousness is Godly and can't be achieved without the Son as the author

[@neobailey5268]

Preach

[@rickycross2342]

Christianity is about believing in Jesus Christ, it is NOT about thou shall not kill

[@katherinecornette5315]

Thank you for calling abort what it is! Sin! But yes, the Church needs to do a better job by supporting crisis pregnancy centers and talking about abortion from the pulpit. There is mercy and grace and healing but if we don’t talk about it many won’t confess and that can be as smith as 1 in 4 in the church.

[@NICEFINENEWROBOT]

"that can be as smith as 1 in 4" Sorry, I do not understand this expression. Would you kindly explain?

[@leonardherring2468]

NICEFINENEWROBOT I suggest it was a typo error and he meant " be as much as 1 in 4 in the church.

[@NICEFINENEWROBOT]

@@leonardherring2468 A typo from Alexa?

[@leonardherring2468]

NICEFINENEWROBOT A typo from Katherine Cornette

[@Purplemountainsoaps]

Be vewy vewy careful about supporting CPCs. Most won’t give the Gospel and always still offer a 3rd option in the situation.

[@dougwilliams5474]

I met a gal in San Diego, who later had an abortion, the back-alley type. Real talk! I could tell that she was hurting and under a terrible condemnation, but I didn’t know what to say. At the time I was backslidden, and I felt that I wasn’t qualified to say anything. That’s still with me, and it’s been 1985 when that happened. I have some repenting to do.

[@quietmom]

Thank you for this!

[@sergiosturino2071]

Dear brother/sister in christ please pray for me. I have finished my chemotherapy for cancer. While undergoing treatment my two daughters moved out suddenly, my mother died, and my wife almost died due to covid. I suffer from anxiety attacks and depression. I suddenly have become an empty nester. I have been crying every day since February 27th the day my eldest daughter left. I am anxious about my situation and feel like i'm not needed anymore. Feel like a senior in an old folks home just waiting for death or the rapture. I'm expected back at work on August 3rd and I am fearful of going back. I have 2.5years before I can get a full pension. Am in debt for$26,000. My sisters are fighting for money from my mothers house. And call me often to complain. I have prayed to the Lord to take my life. Please pray for me.

[@Sunshine4]

The second guy is very thoughtful. I appreciate. The kids are born into very wicked situations, will you be there? Will you be social workers and do your jobs? Will you foster? Will your forgo having biological kids to take in orphans? Will you provide mental support for those abused while young? Will you pay higher taxes to support those that take in extra children? As a Black person whose ancestors were enslaved, I was pretty annoyed with the #1 sin being replaced with abortion, nah, IT IS ALL BAD.

[@Mic1904]

I think (and I'm happy to be corrected) what was intended to be conveyed here was that abortion has taken the number one spot as a current-day sin, just as slavery would have been in its day. Not that one has overtaken the other in a race to be 'worst of all time'. Perhaps it could have been worded better.

[@EveLovesChristJesus]

Absolutely yes! End of discussion 🙄

[@mccaski2]

Why is this even a debate?

[@francisgilson4429]

We must repent and pray for the Sacred Heart of Jesus to have mercy on us and forgive us for this evil mortal sin against Him. Lord Jesus please bless us, help us and protect us from all evil. Amen 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@luvvleee2000]

Abortion is murder and we must hold people accountable as God commands the law to do. If we don’t stand for the unborn, who will?

[@ReformedSooner24]

The only time I’m even iffy on this is if it’s like a 90% chance that your options are the mother or the child, but that someone is gonna die. Those are so incredibly incredibly rare though that it’s barely worth mentioning. Abortion on demand and in fact any abortion that isn’t in the case of an emergency of the nature I mentioned should absolutely be outlawed.

[@austinrothjr]

For anyone who has doubts about the Reformed church being prepared to pursue full abolition I think the likes ratio of this video is telling. Full steam ahead.

[@dangitsnaomi]

👏🏻👏🏻 abortion is always wrong!!

[@silversurfer2703]

Even when the life of the mother may be In danger?

[@dangitsnaomi]

@@silversurfer2703 Abortions is never medically necessary, The purpose of an abortion is to kill the baby before birth, giving him or her zero chance of survival. Abortion advocates point to pregnancy complications like preeclampsia as examples where an abortion is “medically necessary” to save the mother’s life.But there is another way. There is always another way, because emergency response to a situation like acute preeclampsia actually requires early delivery of the baby. It is necessary in that situation to separate the mother and the baby. But it is not the same as unnecessarily and intentionally killing the baby in cases where the mother’s life is threatened by continuing the pregnancy. Killing the baby offers no medical advantage to the mother.The reality is that even if the baby cannot live after we separate mother and baby, there is a undeniable difference between a doctor trying to save the baby after that separation against long odds, and an abortionist deliberately and intentionally killing the baby within the womb. In a late-term abortion, the baby is injected with a poison to stop its heart. Labor is then induced. This takes between two and four days. Abortion is not a procedure done in true emergency situations. The purpose of an abortion is to produce a dead baby, not to separate the mother and the baby.

[@crystalhaataja304]

Shall we die or shall we choose to murder our babies in order to save ourselves? Not to mention medical professionals are wrong ALL THE TIME. All the time.

[@dangitsnaomi]

@@crystalhaataja304 I don’t know about others but if I was in this state of saving my child, I will always save my child. As a mom I will make sure my child is protected at all costs, seeing what abortion does to those innocent children is heartbreaking, as followers of Jesus we need to protect the lives of the innocent children and well as mothers! Here are some bible verses. Job 33:4 Nehmiah 9:6 1 Timothy 6:13 John 1:3-4 Job 10:12 1 Samuel 2:6 Psalms 139:13-16 Jeremiah 1:5 Genesis 1:27

[@Purplemountainsoaps]

@@silversurfer2703 yep even when the life of the mother might be in danger. It’s STILL the taking of another life.

[@arthurd3547]

Abortion can largely be placed on the shoulders of sex before marriage and other sexual sins. God help us

[@jillburkett6876]

When I was working a girl ask if I would take over her desk while she went to the doctor. I asked if everything was ok, her reply was, “oh I’m just getting an abortion”. I tried to talk her out of doing it, I was begging her not to do it, she said oh it’s my third one it’s no big deal. That was twenty years ago, I’m sure the mind set of women today is even worse. The Church has an obligation to God to stand 100% against abortion!

[@d0g_0f_Christ0s]

The hardest situation not to take control of, would be if the pregnancy is putting the life of my wife on the line. God knows, it's His life to take not ours.

[@freechair4890]

Pregnancy ends all the time without killing anyone. It’s called birth.

[@elainehoffman3001]

Of course! What a question.

[@denonjoka8848]

Thanks Pst. Sinclair Ferguson & Pst. Burk Parsons *4 This Powerful Message Where I Agree That The Church Should Respond Strongly Against Abortion Because Abortion Is Sin Where Abortion Is Murder 4 Our Great Almighty God Knew Us Before Conception & God Also Knew Every Child Who Is Aborted Before Conception Written In Jeremiah 1:5 4 The Church Should Strongly Be Against Abortion & Not Support It* & May Our Great Almighty God Bless Yu Pst. Sinclair Ferguson & Pst. Burk Parsons 2gether With Lingonier Ministries So Very Much.🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@gregorycarroll5442]

Excellent comments from Ferguson and Parsons. So fascinating that KZbin senses the need to insert a context box. The context, in essence, attempts to explain that abortion is a surgical procedure that removes (call him/her anything but a human baby) “something” from the mother’s body. Pathetic and disgusting. Due to this reason, alone, that the opposition will not be truthful about the start of human life, there can be no compromise on the sanctity of human life.

[@dustintyson354]

Yes we absolutely should!

[@mariabean1786]

If every woman who had an abortion was made watch live on screen what was happening as the life inside of her was distinguished… I wonder how many would go through with it

[@Janey.Canuck]

If only you could speak English intelligibly, somebody might be inclined to listen to you. I mean, certainly not me, but maybe somebody. The word you needed to have in your head was EXtinguished, not DIStinguished. Ye gods. I keep wondering why little twits like you have the bizarre notion in their heads that women who have abortions are complete numbskulls and know-nothings, and need to be told by you what a pregnancy / an abortion is. Most of us women actually have a brain cell or two and really really really do not need, and are not interested in, the babbling of actual numbskulls and know-nothings like yourself. See how you can tell from what I say and how I write it that my IQ is about double yours? Well, maybe not. Unskilled and unaware of it, the perennial problem...

[@lorrainethomas4736]

AMEN!!!

[@claytonmcminn1121]

Any pastor that is married and who's wife is barren and or he is infertile and has willingly not sought after adoption, is in blatant sin and rebellion against the God he professes.

[@Mic1904]

Even as someone who strongly supports adoption, I'd still be interested in seeing where Scripture commands this. Otherwise, we're merely adding to God's Word and binding our own commands upon people which God has not.

[@tomw6271]

I can only get so frustrated about this. It doesn't matter if we're against it or not because only God is all powerful. I am not all powerful. If I were I would stop it and child abuse. Not one vibration of one molecule in all of creation isn't in God's control.

[@johnperez3911]

How can there be any other alternative to the believer? Trusting completley in God means completely abolishing abortion! Not only for the unborn but for the mothers that are destroyed by the secular lies of needing to murder their children. Regardless there's always hope in Jesus but that doesn't mean there isn't consequences for our actions 😪✝️❤🙏📖📖

[@rhyfelwrDuw]

We should be putting our money where our mouths are - I totally agree! I have read comments in other places where people have asked if pro-Life people provide care for those whom they say shouldn't have an abortion and they are right - Christians SHOULD be supporting those women who agree not to have an abortion, but are maybe in difficult situations and would find it hard to care for a baby!

[@Mic1904]

Even if I agree (and I do) that it's good for the church to be involved in caring for people, they are not responsible or at fault for people deciding to kill their children.

[@oldman8277]

It appears whenever the church decides to finally elevate the schemes of men to the level of grievous sin, those schemes are deemed too big to fail. Thinking about abortion, in my opinion, the church could have cut this scheme (and many, many others) off at its roots…If unsuccessful, due to ignorance, passivity, etc., shut down the “normalization” stage. We’ve ALL allowed the demoralization of various countries and in most cases, given governments all the moral authority in place of the church.

[@Pandaemoni]

I agree with you on principle, although I have am extremely emotionally conflicted in the case of rape. I once ministered to a woman (a girl, really) who ultimately gave birth to a child that was the product of rape. (Unfortunately, the rapist was never caught.) The rape traumatized her and the process of giving birth to the rapist's baby re-traumatized her. After the birth, her parents wanted her to keep the child. Ultimately, she tried to take her own life and was briefly institutionalized. When she was released, her parents could not take her back because she could not be around the child, who they are legal guardians of. The mother bounced around staying with various members of the church, but she was troubled. She later became homeless and disappeared. None of that is the child's fault (and he is perfectly normal), but the pressure to force her to give birth to her rapist's child was physically and emotionally torturous and I have doubts she will ever be saved now. No one has seen her in a number of years, I fear she may have gone through with suicide in one form or another. The whole affair makes me doubt my own convictions in the case of rape.

[@megachristianx6592]

Glad to see no dislikes yet.

[@34Packardphaeton]

From a moral point-of-view, "of course" the church should support the total abolition of abortion. However, this is NOT to say that the church should not hold out for this idea and be unwilling to support measures that actually limit the practice.

[@gman1550]

If you have to choose between saving one of two lives, the mother or the baby, which do you choose?

[@gregb6469]

So exactly what question is being answered?

[@greggpurviance7252]

Yes Very, very, very seldom today does a fetus threaten a mother

[@paulrock4816]

I think divorce is another issue kind of ignored by the church. God made it clean one man/ one woman. Jesus even quoted Gen 2:24 in Matt 19:5. Sounds He was firm on this. I vote Pro-Life; Pro Israel because I was saved by the King of the Jews. Pro-family values one man one woman.

[@L.Fontein7]

Without a doubt.

[@veganian2019]

In a nutshell… OF COURSE!😳

[@rachray83]

We are against the murder of innocent individuals, we are not against the putting to death of the justly convicted murderer nor the one seeking to do bodily harm, in self defense, consistent with Biblical case law. Also I really wish Biblical Christians would speak Biblically, especially where the culture has sought to cover over truthful language, we are discussing the Murder, the slaughter of the preborn in their own mother's womb with the permission & approval of Federal govt, state govt, the medical community, Federal and State bureaucracies such as the FDA, CDC, many so-called Human's Rights organizations, news media & even educational institutions. We are not discusing the cancelling of a mechanical process nor mission ie "Abort", we are talking about the intentional ending of a pregnancy due to the killing of the child.

[@blackpatriot3]

Who are the two dislikes? You need to repent!

[@deannawilliams6606]

Most definitely

[@Martha77]

Horrible, unthinkable sin

[@rlyle5804]

Nice speeches, but the "church" will continue to be silent.

[@myragrettenberg1606]

Absolutely

[@williamiannucci2740]

AND THAT SHOULD EVEN BE A QUESTION MEN AND BRETHREN ??? WHAT HAS OUR NATION BECOME , A DEN OF DEVILS ???

[@BladeOfLight16]

Yes, it has.

[@vivianasoto424]

Definitely, YES!!!

[@wandarivera713]

Amen

[@ethantanatsiwasesedza8305]

Amen 🙇🏿‍♂️✝️🌠

[@dougwilliams5474]

God Himself calls abortion murder.

[@MIKEARCHANGEL7]

There is only one answer and there shouldn’t even be a debate. Total Abolition or nothing. If we love Christ then we must obey His word. Hear the words of the living and true God! Proverbs 24:10-12 (NASB) [10] If you are slack in the day of distress, Your strength is limited. [11] Deliver those who are being taken away to death, And those who are staggering to slaughter, Oh hold them back. [12] If you say, “See, we did not know this,” Does He not consider it who weighs the hearts? And does He not know it who keeps your soul? And will He not render to man according to his work?”

[@MIKEARCHANGEL7]

@@blipflorn6453 Slavery in the senses you’re thinking was wrong. What are you talking about? slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters. The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image (Genesis 1:27). At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic-based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries. In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 16th to 19th centuries. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms. This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” (Exodus 21:16). Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8- 10). Another crucial point is that the purpose of the Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” (Philemon 1:16). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.

[@britishmgtow7251]

Yes

[@ekd5213]

Will the church help raise the baby???

[@Mic1904]

You could ask the exact same thing of a three-year-old, a seven-year-old, and an eleven-year-old. If they have no one to take them in, should they be euthanized? And is the church responsible? After all, 'will the church help raise the three-year-old???'

[@mattdillon4398]

There will always be orphans but here's a fun fact. Christians are more than twice as likely to adopt and to give charity than non christians so your question is moot. Also, how do you justify in your mind that it would be more moral to murder a child than for that child to have a hard life? In essence that's what you're saying isn't it?

[@williewiner4161]

Yes yes yes!

[@janicevillandre9577]

Yes!!!

[@woodrowcall3158]

0:00 *Reads title* Yes.

[@petersherwood202]

Yes. Yes it should

[@finnfinn2381]

only one question needs to be answered. You go with God, or you wnat to please society. Not a hard question to answer if you know yourself.

[@brittneybattin6083]

Abortion should be abolished without a doubt. But the greatest sin within the church is not abortion but idolatry.

[@cecilspurlockjr.9421]

Yes.. Really?

[@Grimaldo354]

Yes.

[@wmritchey1101]

Could we accept a vitriolic, froward leader to accomplish this goal at any cost? I say the church should practice what life means to the church. Not to ignore evil means to meet this goal. Be careful who you serve this day. You serve who you worship. Abortion is evil, but lets not forget we are to lead by example.

[@edwardsmith1060]

Only if it makes them money. Status Quo.

[@BrockJamesStory]

Obviously yes

[@georgeburks3755]

In the womb Job 3:16; Psalm 139:13-16; Isaiah 44:24; Isaiah 49:1; Isaiah 49:5; Jeremiah 1:5; Jeremiah 20:15-18; Luke 1:44 Abortion is Romans 1-30 ... inventors of evil ...

[@per-arnemoa103]

What civilization???

[@livetoforgive8691]

Abortion is always wrong. Frankly the only debate I see in the birth control issue… Is giving real legitimate rape victims the morning after pill. I think that if a woman wants to have a morning after pill prescribed she first and foremost needs to have a rape kit performed on her. And the police need to be called in to make a police report about the rapist.

[@brucedressel8873]

And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. Mark 9 42 KJV

[@theoldpaths644]

Abortion is murder and gross sin and must be preached as such.

[@angloaust1575]

Upto 1967 it was a crime like homosexuality However people aren't forced into it It's a voluntary choice and god will judge righteously Celibacy is the answer avoid sex altogether!

[@randalllaughbaum2833]

LOLOLOLOL- So how DARE anyone put any limits on God???? If God did NOT want an abortion to happen, God would not have let it happen!

[@BrandonCorley109]

This seems like a rather easy question to answer 😂

[@andreazabinki859]

This is murder and in the eyes of God, it's a sin.

[@msseedlady2587]

Abortion is a nasty sin. To destroy someone created in the image and likeness of God inside the temple that was purchased by the price of Christ's blood that is also made in the image and likeness of God is nasty business and is clearly satanic! If in retribution towards another (abandonment by the father), it is wrong because it takes vengeance out of the Lord's hands and it denies the Lord's power. If done to "protect the future" of someone young and vulnerable, it is wrong too. How would you like to grow up knowing that because some man committed a violent and immoral act like rape or molestation when you were 13 or 15 or 9 that someone thought the most appropriate way to deal with that injustice was to commit another violent, immoral act by murdering another innocent person in your body, how then is that young girl not doubly victimized? Does the Lord not say that we do not conquer evil with evil, but that we conquer evil by doing good?

[@khumbomunsaka]

Abortion is murder. I have a question. What should do to the mothers who abort? (Commenters should reply)

[@jwtrain]

The biblical penalty for murder is death after a fair trial with multiple witnesses.