Should the Primarchs Keep Returning? by PancreasNoWork - Reaction

[@bbbbKeJodddd]

Konrad's head on Ferrus body. Lets fucking goooooo.

[@mrhaast5053]

I'm getting attack of the clones flashbacks from that thought..

[@bthsr7113]

So with the initial question before watching, only IF the xenos are given corresponding buffs to preserve the balance of power and throw their players some overdue bones. The Imperium is already in a dangerously powerful position with an admirable administrator and a jerk demigod knight ready to go crusade. Now, the Necrons got the Silent King, so he can crack open ancient vaults and possibly activate a world engine for his rear line flagship, Ghazghul Mag Uruk Thraka can keep Gazzing up his troops, the Traitor primarchs are already shaking off the sloth and mustering their damned sons or even just scheming (while Lorgar is either hiding under his bed or being chased), but the Craftworlds need to bring out the as yet unmodeled and even unnamed Phoenix Lords, the knife ears need some new barge or abomination from the Homunculi, the Exodites need actual dino models, and the Tau need to make greater use of auxiliaries and possibly add a new flyer in medium to superheavy weight. Also maybe letting human auxiliaries into the CQC suits. I already expect the Squats to have something waiting in the wings as the newest army, the Ad Mech can easily be written to have some ancient toys they've been sitting on, the Custodes are already pretty kick ass, the Sisters recently got their not popess in a mini mech, but they'll need something as more come back (I don't know what beyond a Primaris level tech peace offering by Cawl). Not sure what to give the Guard beyond 30k tanks, and I'm 90% sure that GW is building towards a normal scale Imperator, so Titanicus is covered. The idea of perpetual war with a relative balance is upset by the Primarchs returning, so all the other factions need to keep up in lore and tabletop. Oh, and the dead should stay dead. How... How do the Word Bearers believe they did it? Like... HOW!? I know warp nonsense can go backwards in time and they're the legion whose main samples were dropped the most, but even then! I hope to hear of initial major friction on the Senator and the jerk knight reuniting, especially given one of the last times they saw each other, the jerk knight did multiple exterminatus to planets to get a single dude when Guiliman explicitly told him not to. But then have the Jerk Knight really see his brother. Cast his eyes around Terra and the war room. Have him start asking questions and realize the gravity of the situation. Realize that he can't lead and that the boy scout is emotionally suffering with every breath in ways Kurze would get warm and fuzzy over. For sure, Gaz needs to remind Angron that he's not all he's cracked up to be.... though as I type this I realize that rageaholic really isn't all that much. His most recent claim to fame was killing an aged mortal. He's just too dumb for his own good. Oh for sure. I'm a xeno fanboy first, but every faction has some level of wonderful aesthetics, and the Primarchs get to splurge on aesthetic. I mean, a part of me wants to see thee saner factions take their heads out of their exhausts, think, and align. A true alliance of Necrons, Tau, Eldar, humans, and whoever else can be welcomed in safely and sanely. First, form a hardened joint line to out adapt and outlast the 'nids so they break upon the milky way. Next, tackle the Orks. After that, the Drukhari. Finally, improve quality of life overall to slowly mend the warp and diminish or change the ruinous powers. Though this is the sane long term plan, it's also so antithetical to grimdark perpetual war it's not even funny. Ah, yes, they're attention magnets sucking attention away even from other named humans. I hadn't considered that part. And fair on how it is reasonable to ask why they're not involved in some major theoretical future events. I mean, some idiot balls were bouncing around like the Baylor Dodge Ball, but even just by showing the Primarchs as human, I can see how someone might reasonably argue that demystifies the demigods of lost might and power.... though I'd also point to mythology being full of very human and exaggerated human behavior. In the wider world, flawed demigods and flawed gods aren't the exception, they're the rule. Jesus, God, Yaweh, Allah, etc., they're the weird ones. Therre is exactly one Phoenix Lord given Primarch power of the outcomes. Maugan Ra. He's also the least Craftworld and most Imperium looking of the bunch, which I don't feel is coincidental. Frankly, the higher baseline performance and greater experience makes me feel that the Phoenix Lords and Khaine getting dunked on regularly is even more unreasonable. Their eldest carry memories of The Fall and the younger the days after. Only the most elite of an Aspect may be considered to give their body to their founder. They should be living legends given respect. Not stomped flat by a Night Lords dread. I blame the stupid on bad human centric writing more often than not. Ultimately, I refuse to see GW playing undue imperium and marine bias as inevitable. If I really though they couldn't do better, then I'd just move on. But I feel GW could think for 20 minutes, so I stay mad and disappointed. It's not even just greed. They are ignoring a product they could make for greater profits. The death of variety is a fair point, even if a temporary one I think they learned not to end times.

[@ForgottenHonor0]

"He was a dick." Let's be honest, the Emperor redefined the term "dick."

[@Archivist001]

@Magnustopheles and the words "loving father."

[@_NutcasE_]

I agree that xenos need better writing, but at the same time Primarchs should return. Eternal stagnancy doesnt work. Fantasy endtimes happened because people left for more interesting things, if they had done more to advance it and had setting changing events more often it would have fared better. AoS has alot of interesting things to it and I think if they keep it up as it is I think most bitter endtimes haters will warm up to it..... not to endtimes themselves they are still terrible.

[@L_Monke]

Only Sanguinius, Horus, Konrad, Alpharius or Omegon and Ferrus cannot return due to obvious reasons. I really hope if Alpha legion Primarch is added we never get to know if it is Alpharius or Omegon still alive.

[@thelion2751]

Well... *looking at fabius* maybe they can and Damn if that bald crazy doctor really creates another Sanguinius

[@samiamtheman7379]

@@thelion2751 Only Primarch he succeeded in cloning was Fulgrim, and honestly, I hope it stays that way.

[@thelion2751]

@@samiamtheman7379 honestly,GW better use that silent king vs G-man story good and let fulgrim return in at least 3 years because that would be a fcking Great return the dumbass snake man confronting his real self

[@kacperkonieczny7333]

Konrad had Corona Nox IIRC and it had a soul stone so only no we need to find a body for him.

[@BLANK-pr5qs]

I’m cool with Ferrus “returning” as the leader of the legion of the damned. Not as a full character, but as a known entity and maybe even a model, imagine a giant ghost primarch mini with fire for a head. It’d be sick, and it being a voiceless engine of vengeance means it wouldn’t really diminish his death.

[@thorshammer7883]

They should bring a past Eldar from ages long past awakening and find himself into the 42nd Millennium and seeing the bad situation the Eldar are in and how terrible their unity is and how incompetent they are making enemies and being preyed upon by a Chaos god and how arrogant and shortsighted they are. And so makes his own faction of Eldar and has better morale standing and better knowledgeable practices then most of them do and is disgusted and abhore of the Dark Eldar and how the Eldar Empire fell and created a Chaos god.

[@Brutalyte616]

That's explicitly what the Exodites and Craftworld Eldar are; the ones who said 'Fuck this shit, I'm out.' and got away before the birth of Slaanesh. The Exodites are basically the Eldar's philosophical equivalent to the Amish, leading simpler lives less reliant on technology. And the Craftworlders are the surviving nomads that grew disgusted with the decadence of the Eldar Empire and who feared the coming psychic disaster such decadence would cause; the old Farseers saw what was going to happen.

[@thorshammer7883]

@@Brutalyte616 Good practice and life style. Though I would say a past Eldar would believe there is a need to arm and protect yourselves while he has a goal to strive and overcome Slaanesh and completely wipe out it's existence from the galaxy.

[@Fireontire]

About the Tyranids and the Eldar, The Swarmlord and The Avatar of Khaine have been used as punching bag for named characters, they need lore that shows that they are not just jobbers. Like have the Swarmlord face down Abaddon and chop his arms off, giving Chaos a big loss. Have the Avatar kick Fulgrim in the Balls or something.

[@edim108]

I understand where he's coming from, but simultaneously I think most if not all of the issues he has with Primarchs returning aren't directly a fault with the characters. If GW had consistently competent writing none of that would be an issue bc we would have plenty characters at least comparable in importance in all major factions. It would be AWESOME to have more Orks like Ghazghkull, who are actually competent leaders while still being distinctly Orky. It would be great if the Eldar primarch equivalents were finally given respect they deserve cause there are loads of cool characters in the Eldar lore that are basically shelved by GW... It would be fantastic to see more Necron Overlords doing stuff, especially since characters like Imotekh are as direct a match up for a Primarch as it gets. Primarchs returning wouldn't be an issue neither from a narrative stand point, nor from the table top player's point of view, if GW was competent at their job...

[@dakotalange2858]

Old man the iron warriors got a video from warrior tier recently IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT!

[@karlwikman3874]

New Vox In the Void Night lords video just drooped

[@KILLEROFGOD]

Vulkan would consider killing an Eldar a good past time and for a good reason and no one sane would fault him.

[@whensomethingcriesagain]

The biggest lore upside about the Primarchs returning is that they are people who cause things to happen, their return can massively upend the face of the Imperium itself. What would be really cool to see is the Imperium reform under the leadership of someone like Guilliman, and then splinter for good under the pressure of the Chaos Primarchs. Kinda like the Heresy, but much, much less directed. The Primarchs, without the Emperor to keep them in line, could ironically be the final nail in the coffin of the Imperium as their squabbles and differences in ideals can potentially break it apart for good. We may already be seeing a version of this with the feud between the Lion and Guilliman, and I think GW could turn 40k even more complicated and even more fascinating by having the Primarchs coming back and trying to pull humanity in different directions, resulting in the Imperium splitting into numerous smaller factions with their own unique character to them.

[@patricksharpe1148]

I would like some more Second and 11th Primarchs detail drops.

[@jbark678]

I'm still holding a candle for an Ocean's 11 (Warp's 8, lol) style heist by the Ynnari on Slaanesh's domain to get the last crone sword that features Omegon recruited by Eldrad (or by Trazyn, who I also want roped in).

[@cyborgcatrj6794]

As much as it would drive some fans into a homicidal rage, imagine if one or more of the Primarchs returned in a different faction. Maybe what remains of Ferris Manus gets taken over by the living metal and his corpse becomes a mindless drone in service to the Void Dragon or the Necrons. Maybe one of the missing Primarchs is found by the wretched Tau, mind broken from whatever caused them to turn from the Imperium, who use their technology to convert them into a champion for the humans under their rule.

[@thatdoppioguy1825]

if any primarch is corrupted by the tau every space marine fan within one thousand mile of GW HQ will going in a khornate rage toward them faster then you can say "Arch Warhammer"

[@nicoruppert4207]

They wouldn't even necessarily need mind control. The Khan never liked the imperium to begin with.

[@paimonisfood4986]

@@nicoruppert4207 Still would be out of character for him to just betray the Imperium without outside force

[@Randerson2409]

One of the reasons I love this channel for its reactions is that, somewhat frequently, you will disagree with the conclusion a video comes to, but you will almost never give the *creator* of the video crap for coming to that conclusion. You can accept that they have their own thoughts and opinions, and acknowledge when they have points that are technically correct, but just don't sway you. Great content

[@bluelick7578]

Dorne is already there under the name Adorable. 😅

[@jsjktkrjlkckd3925]

2:50 not all of them left two stayed with him malcodor and the christin well until the war put in the thrown for good most likely.

[@dantedetoussaint209]

Right, exactly. Things will be thrown off balance, but they can be countered balance. Yes I'd like to see all the primarchs back, but they would kinda stop the imperium from dying, with new tech new soldiers and so on, but here's the big issue, if that does not happen, then what else? I get it, the dread is right at not completely dead and not saved either, but progress does eventually happen. And there are many ways to make it so it's not completely broken. Example: what's actually already happening the new tyranid wave, okay another example, some of the new primarchs atent going to be directly working for the imperium, let me explain The Khan and Curze, the Khan can literally come back then immediately leave off, only coming in the aid of his brothers when needed, that's literally his character, next Curze, the Eldar soul gem from his crown, he gets jammed into a Wraithbone, as this sort of pseudo eldari primarch, and starts prepending his mistakes, recovering his legion, doing work against the chaos and traitors and so forth, maybe he'll go on this journey to get a human body and he'll probably end up with something in the middle. That's the main picture, now, 3rd case, Ferrus Manus, he's just right the way he is, a demon head loyal primarch, he just comes in aid when needed as well, yes, it's kinda stagnant, but chaos is a thing, and so on. Next can of worms, I'd love to see Fulgrim back, on a path similar to that of his finding, an extremely small number legion that goes full force 24/7, I think him back would be quite epic, I mean loyalist Fulgrim, and he could be duking it out with the chaos fulgrim, maybe he'll actually work a little bit from the shadows, like Alpharius (yes 100% he's alive), together with Alpharius maybe, while Lion and Guilliman have their secret inquisition wars, what if Sanguinius would return as well and they'd make imperium secundus, not as antitetis to the imperium but as an actually ready and steady backup, what if Valdor comes back and it's revealed he's one of the lost primarchs and actually agrees with the inquisition so he remains neutral and closer to the eye of terror. And let's be honest, Rogal or Leman would be just right for them to come back to take on the hive fleet leviathan. Maybe one of them could even form a campaign to branch of the milky way, maybe to another galaxy in search for the tyranid sources. All of this would allow their return, while getting to work and not just breaking the game. I mean shit, what if, with the return of primarchs and what not, the orks start to evolve into krorks as well, and eldari into the ancient eldari

[@thomasspradley4975]

I want Sanguinius to return so that he can give the traitor legions and Angron PTSD of the ass whooping that he gave them during the siege of Terra.

[@samiamtheman7379]

Idk about that because that would probably mean the Sanguinor and/or Dante might stop existing to make it happen. Plus, lore-wise, Sanguinius would be stomping Chaos left and right because of how OP he was in a fight. Only Horus empowered by all four Chaos gods could kill him, so the others have no chance.

[@thomasspradley4975]

@@samiamtheman7379 Horus might have killed him we don't know for sure, I am personally of the belief that during their fight Sanguinius fell to the black rage, thus causing his legion to do so as well, and procided to tear Horus apart and then wounded the Emperor who had to put him down.

[@samiamtheman7379]

@@thomasspradley4975 I don't necessarily subscribe to that theory because there's no way Sanguinius fell to the Black Rage considering his death is what caused it. His sons are driven mad by it because of the visions of his final hours and none of them get pissed off at Big E for it. They do get pissed at Horus tho.

[@jbark678]

​@@samiamtheman7379Eh, trauma isn't logical, so it still works. That being said, I don't think people at large would buy it.

[@Billmaster115]

Of all the books I've read, a story does not have to maintain its genre while ending it. Tragedies have ended with hopeful happy futures implied. 40k can end with a traditionally good ending, keeping it grimdark for the sake of grimdark sounds a lot like ruining story for any other reason. Not that i think 40k is ending, in fact the return of Guilliman could possibly be only mid-series on this scale of story, but if it is ending, 40k does not have to still be a story about a decaying empire prolonging its inevitable destruction, it does not have to end with the Imperium failing. Imo, it would have to end with the conclusion of a desperate act of survival that leaves the Imperium victorious over its enemies but also completely destroyed.

[@siamihari8717]

Imagine if the Iron Warriors at any Time the entire legion Primarch Leading them decided to take a crack at Cadia at any point

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

Oh what I would give to bring my father back.

[@vermilion7777]

I doubt Corax, Ferrus Manus and so one will return. I mean, how many normal special characters does those chapters have?

[@ironkeko4423]

Daddy Peter Comesback? We gonna smash fists

[@kannonball5789]

I didn't know the Iron Warriors got corrupted by Slaanesh. Anyway, _Macragge's Honour,_ power up lance batteries and commence orbital bombardment of Medrengard. Let the spawn of the petulant manchild burn.

[@ironkeko4423]

@@kannonball5789 lemme just push this botton Everything is countered, you blue berry boy Scout, also your Gellar Field is off now

[@kannonball5789]

@@ironkeko4423 Okay sure let me just meteor in to Medrengard and give Perty a firey Vlad the Impaler treatment.

[@brotherkhrayn3525]

I’m not gonna be happy until Sanguinius returns… then they can stop…

[@Brutalyte616]

Personally, I want there to be a 'What if?' model range where you can use Loyalist versions of the Traitor Primarchs and their Legions and Traitor versions of the Loyalists and their Legions. How in the Emperor's grill you could swing that into something lore friendly is a veritable Pandora's Box, but with Fabius Bile being able to clone uncorrupted Primarchs like he's using a goddamn printer and alternative universes and timelines being something repeatedly confirmed to exist in 40k, I could accept the Chaos Gods having one last Hail Mary plan where they pull in Primarchs they corrupted in alternate realities. It would be STUPID, but it COULD be the FUN kind of stupid where everything the balance of power is always shifting and keeping things interesting. As for the other factions? Yeah, each notable army should have a Primarch equivalent. Phoenix Lords are one thing since the Eldar are just better on average than most other armies, but the Orks, Tau, Necrons and even the Dark Eldar don't have a Primarch equivalent, or if they do it's something like Ghazghkull where they have one equivalent for the entire race, compared to the 9 options Space Marines and Chaos Marines have.

[@MasterIceyy]

Ironically most of the traitor legions didn't join the heresy because of Chaos. Angron, Mortarion, Perturabo and Magnus, didn't join because of Chaos, most joined because they had a genuine grievance with the Emperor. It was only really Lorgar, Horus and Fulgrim that were corrupted by Chaos, and even then Fulgrim's fall was more nuanced. And no one really knows what was going on with Alpharius and Omegon and Conrad was just batshit to begin with, he was only really interested in getting to the point where he dies in his visions

[@norsehorse84]

I mean, if those Primarchs instead created a second major human faction to oppose the Imperium while not falling under Chaos, similar to Fantasy having both Bretonnia and The Empire as the major human factions, then I would love 40k FAR more than I do now. As it is, it's basically just "Space Marines: The Setting", which has lost its luster for me years ago.

[@MasterIceyy]

@@norsehorse84 I wish they'd flesh out more of the other xenos other than the big 3. the Votann have finally got some love, but there are kroot and many more xenos that are only ever briefly mentioned. I wouldn't mind a second human faction, as well as maybe a Squat primarch would have been awesome

[@omega1735]

I said this on his vid and I’ll say it here the primarchs returning is in my mind a all or nothing thing they’ve started now they have to go all the way with it or some fans are going to get mad. If they weren’t going to bring back all the ones that are still alive then none of them should’ve come back.

[@mattroxursoul]

Doesn't it mostly depend on how well they are all going to cooperate? Cause we sort of know what the chaos boys are up to. They do not really get along. If all the loyalist primarchs come back and work together they are at a bit of an advantage right? Would that force the chaos ones to sort of put their differences aside (beside Lorgar cause he is useless) and have a battle plan? Abdandon guy is sort of a putz right? What if he has to fight the Lion?

[@Brutalyte616]

Imagine your entire army is just Loyalist or Traitor Primarchs...

[@evalationx2649]

I never understood why some people need this to be the end of the Imperium. I see it more like the 3rd century crisis of the Roman Empire. The Eldar Empire lasted for how many millions of years again? Why does humanity only get 10-15k years?

[@MrPapamaci88]

I'm with the Old Man with this! The Imperium is so screwed, unf-ing itself will take a long time and would produce a lot of compelling stories. Being grim-dark all the time isn't really compelling, people get pretty bored with it, everyone being evil, again, too homogenous. Having a feel-good story here and there when the heroes are actual heroes, when good people are not punished for being good, where stupidity does not triumph all the time... A story of redemption would be far cooler than staying with the status quo. Also, just because the Imperium is becoming better, more progressive, less evil, etc., that does not mean that the end-times are not coming. There are more than enough horrifying things in WH 40k that will keep that element of the universe. Even if the Imperium would turn into post-scarcity Star Trek, everyone is nice, humanity is uniting everyone who is nice enough to recruit for an alliance, even if it went that route, the 'Nids are still a thing, Chaos is still a thing, Dark Eldar are still a thing, Orks are not the worst allies until there are no more enemies you can give them, then they turn on you or one another, because "Orks". The Tau could be friendly after they unscrewed their own brainwashed heads, and that's the thing with them, that might be a whole can of worms. The Necrons have the Silent King, and he isn't 100% a douche, he'd probably even consider working with others too if his own efforts to quell the 'Nids fail, however the Stormlord will never-ever ally with anyone because he is a douche, which will probably result in an all-out Necron civil war too, their degradation will also keep producing horror stories too. Even if you went fully puppy-loving pacifist with the Imperium, there would still be a lot of massacre and war, and the resulting alliance of all decent sentients of the galaxy, chances are that Alliance would still be on the verge of death, may take a lot longer for Chaos or the 'Nids or something else to overcome them, but they still would eventually as things stand. The Primarchs as well as Big E could come back, would not change much, for humanity it would still stay a bad time. The one thing I dislike about WH 40k is when a story is evil for evil's sake and has no true motive just a dumb excuse for it.

[@sweetsleeperagent]

Question because I would like to get people's legitimate opinion on it. What is more grimdark (since WH40k coined grimdark): The Imperium finally falling because the Primarchs fail or the Primarchs leading to a resurgence that continues the perpetual war? An ending would have solace because it actually gets to end, but advancing the Imperium so it can continue the war because it is futile in the end would be worse because there is no hope: nothing truly ends...

[@notsilvally1660]

I personally think the Pheonix lords should be primarch equals 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@josephpolk9660]

Considering the original phoenix lords over time possess their new host theyve basically been a thing for 10000 years so they SHOULD be primarch tier but then they lose every chance GW wants (with a few exceptions) because reasons.

[@paimonisfood4986]

To stop people from worrying about the Imperium becoming too powerful with the return of the Primarchs, just make all the other factions stronger. Give the Eldar their Death God and Phoenix Lord, turn Ghazkul into a Krork, bring the full force of the Tyranids, and have the Necrons fully awaken. Maybe even spice up things like bringing in a random C'tan, have an old one return and unleash the horrors of the Ghoul Stars. Just make Warhammer40k crazier than it already is.

[@supersaiyandiclonius3056]

I actually have a theory on Konrad Curze coming back. I mentioned in his FML that I wanted Gendor Skraivok to return as a foil to Decimus, the plot I had in mind for this fight is both of them finding the location of Kurze's crown(with the Soulstone, yes I believe that) and racing to grab it. Decimus wouldn't necessarily want Kurze to return, but Skraivok would be trying to sacrifice Kurze to the Dark Gods to more favor/power. Now I'm not to keen on Kurze coming back completely, but I would like to Decimus communing with his spirit after keeping his Crown away from Skraivok and cementing his role as Legion Master.

[@velstadtvonausterlitz2338]

I hope sanguinius returns. It'll make imperium secundus 2.0 to the benefit of everyone.

[@hunterxkiller8732]

despte his reasons, I still like the primarchs returning if only cause they give off this feeling of an old man returning from retirement to show the young bloods how its done. the war history lover in me yearns to see the old coming back, just because something's new doesn't mean its better.

[@Archon3960]

My personal hope is that Ghaz banishing Angron over and over again will make him reach Krork status and finally become a credible threat. 😎

[@lochlanferguson3076]

To be honest I don't think GW will have the imperium collapse due to the fact that most imperial factions are their best selling ranges

[@samueltrusik3251]

It is hard to eat them and absorb their essence into the hivemind. So no, they are not good. Except Gorrilaman, he is dope.

[@13legomania]

Really, the onion knight? Davos is a bad ass yes, but the Lion looks more like Tywin and anything else is heresy.

[@juliusbossman7280]

It would cause a lot of rage but imagine Primarchs returning but as allies to Xenos. Clone Fulgrim going on missions with Trazyn sounds like a buddy movie, Vulkan was found and consume by Tyranids so now the Imperium has to deal with an immortal hive, Rogal finding a League of Votann and sees them as the better option for humanity, and Jaghatai serving the Laughing God

[@40kconquest10]

Boss if you want to play 40k just get tabletop Simulator it's on Only 20 bucks and my orks will show your sisters of battle a proper fight

[@DjapeKostic]

Horus Heresy series of novels shouldn't have happened

[@SpaceGrunt]

Isn't the Invaders chapter still canon? If so then the imperium doesn't need primarchs to come back. Because space marine BS will wipe out the other craftworlds.

[@2ndlegend125]

So the real solution is buff the shit out the other factions so that Imperium and Chaos with returned primarks dont stomp the other factions. Eldar can get a massive buff when Ynead(however its spelled) is "born". Orks can get some Krorks. How? They believed they could hard enough. Tau... fuck the Tau. Tyranids can easily just get new stronger forms. Have them steal Primark geneseed.

[@Gearshoot]

Personally, I’m not opposed to them returning. Sure, will it result in there being a promarch every game? Probably. Is it cool? Also yes. Also, I *want* humanity to win.

[@darkinnovator2479]

I think the best thing they could have done to explore what other characters are doing rather than concentrating on the Primarchs themselves, is just have their presence felt. Have it that in those books the characters are actively working on behalf of one Primarch, or foiling the actions of another Primarch, or both. They are not seen but their presence is felt, and the individual stories could tie together into a big series where at the major climating books the Primarch DOES appear. Its also, as a side note, precisely how I think LucasFilm SHOULD (and probably WON'T) write Thrawn in their Live action shows.

[@Aschwartz14]

Look. If you really buy 100% into the grim dark and that’s what you like about the setting then I can see why you don’t want the primarchs back. But I’ve always hated the grim dark. I hate the inquisition. I hate the ecclesiarchy. I hate the irony of the golden throne. I enjoy the primarchs coming back not necessarily because of how OP they are, but because even though they’re supposed to be so far beyond regular mortals, I feel like they’re the only people in the setting I can actually relate too, since they’re the only ones who remember what the imperial truth was supposed to be, and they were the only ones even capable of conceptualizing solutions to the problem instead of just maintaining the status quo