Should top black recruits attend HBCU's? | I AM ATHLETE Backstage

[@KwaY193]

She’s not wrong but she doesn’t understand the teenage athlete’s mindset. The prestige of the school, coaches, and athletic facilities play a major part

[@thebucketmanj8525]

Nah she not all the way right. It's like half and half her passion is good. But it's just not that simple to just say just send top black players to hbcus and change will happen. Top players not going to hbcus is not the reason why they programs were bad in the first place. At hbcus they dont care about they own. So how can they grow? They cant handle top tier talent. They cant even take care of they own. I see it at an hbcu I go to. Its deeper than just tryna throw sugar on it. It's much more complex. If they had an organization that was more invested in the youth at they school. Then they wouldn't need top athletes to come to them. They would already have top athletes

[@thebucketmanj8525]

But I'm not against black top players going to hbcus. I'm just saying that's not really fixing the problem. All it's doing is just making them a little bit popular so they can get more money. But they not gonna use the money for black students. They gonna split it amongst themselves

[@soultrain58]

As complexed as it may sound, the idea has to begin somewhere and with someone. So much has been driven into our young people's head that the PWU is the king and you'll benefit greatly by going there. I just can't believe that. If you are good, you're good. Does the racial majority of the school make you good or does your work ethic make you great? I believe we are going to see a trend in the future. Most of this current generation did not experience Jim Crow or slavery, but what the internet has done is open the eyes to pain, violence and unnecessary bloodshed suffered by people who look like them. Stories that were half told to people like me have come to light and have sadden the hearts of many. Is it better to go to a HBCU instead of a PWU? No one can really say because that is YOUR story. ✌🏿

[@lg_ace9486]

The BucketMan J You are completely wrong LOL, the reason why HBCUs don’t work right now is because due to the end of segregation white schools pulled the talent because they knew money would come with these minority players because they were better. Knowing the history behind HBCUs would help you understand this.

[@lg_ace9486]

The BucketMan J When HBCUs were very prevalent within the black community they were huge and we actually got TV time, some of the greatest players of all time came from HBCUs in all it took was one player being allowed to play at a pro dominantly white school that sparked change because they saw how great we were with great talent comes money people throw money into their excitement

[@whowhatwhere2]

Black billionaires and millionaires should each adopt a HBCU and bring the sports facilities up to par with top schools. It won't change things overnight but it would be a foundation.

[@nononono12345]

Who What Where yes

[@deangelolaws3938]

@@GuideToModernFootball facts

[@kebayjones837]

Most rich people are greedy bro.diddy and Jay a makes millions and they dont even do that

[@saucy05]

The American government should invest in these schools and make them competitive. Instead of things that are floating around like giving each black person reparation money, they should invest it in HBCUs and schools in predominantly black areas.

[@Allthingzboxing817]

It would start with top ranked players believing in themselves and making a Sacrifice to come down to a hbcu and blow it out the water, then we would get 10x more press and money at the black schools and more better players each year would want to come

[@samsam12ish]

Her emotions are too strong to have this conversation she’s not seeing his points at all.

[@MyBigMeech]

Agreed

[@tharrigville]

He's not trying to hear her's either

[@jalyndemming8215]

@@tharrigville wym he basically she saying she right but at the same time he saying no young black men is going too choice a great opportunity too go too a high quality college for a HBCU its just the hard truth she too emotional too say yes we should too what she saying but who in the fuck is going take that chance what happen when that guy go too the hbcu and dont get shit back in the return dont get the coverage that they deserve that these other high quality college is going too give u

[@antoinethomas9240]

she's 100% correct! Regardless of emotions. "when you say things cant change, it only means you wont be an agent of change"

[@tharrigville]

@@jalyndemming8215 if you're good, they will find you. I.e. Jerry Rice, T.O., Walter Payton, Everson Walls, etc.

[@Antwanh5]

As a former HBCU FOOTBALL player, I will say I truly enjoyed my experience. However, I’ve been to the other school and know many of the other coaches and I know all the mess that goes on at HBCU’s. Players should NOT go to schools just because it’s an HBCU. They need to go to schools that’s going to help them maximize their talents and abilities. Nothing else should matter.

[@jsain360]

That is facts

[@bbrown5747]

But if you couldn’t go anywhere else you would be there like years ago.

[@bunchy215]

@@bbrown5747 the point them white schools were NOT allowing Black athletes there until they realized how good Black athletes were

[@bbrown5747]

@@bunchy215 really I know this. I am a family legacy of HBCU Educated people and have cousins who have played in the NFL.

[@finleyk0530]

And that’s why HBCU’s should be given the same opportunities as these other schools so that when someone does attend that school they have the same experience maybe even better and has the same chance of making it to the NFL.

[@OmegaSupreme1]

She got a good point but didn’t know how to expound on it. If the top players go HBCU the money will follow and the facilities will become better. It’s just using the long view

[@Northphilly-wu4oq]

Shes annoying

[@thedreadedbaker8493]

The problem is exposure. When's the last time you've seen a nationally televised SWAC game that wasn't the SWAC championship. Also, the point she's advocating is for 17-18 year old incredibly talented kids to pick the movement over national exposure in order to potentially get into the league. That's really asking a lot from a kid with dreams of making it into the NFL.

[@notlookinforahug]

She is a female... what do you expect

[@gskinner7440]

i think she did expound well, people just dont know how to except words from a woman who speaks boldly. she had good points , she was legit just 1 woman going against 3-4 men so she understandably had moments where here frustrations took the reigns of her speech. still had some great points especially her challenge for black millionaires to invest in hbcu athletes

[@gskinner7440]

May Sanchez a female trying to speak her view vs 4 grown men who disagree. theres grown me who would buckle under that pressure... she didnt do a bad job imo

[@yankswright5326]

She clearly doesn’t understand the athlete stand point. She said Fred would had been where he at today if he went to a HBCO. Hell to the no. Dominating at a Hampton game is no where near dominating at a USC game. Not even close

[@stryleyung3891]

@ChosenKyng it will take more than 5 stars it will take a class of 2022

[@lilcourtny08]

@@johnjohn0 since when, Name the last time a 5 star recruit missed a year of basketball after his senior season in highschool and was still drafted in the top 10?

[@lilcourtny08]

@@johnjohn0 James Wiseman played though, so they saw some of his ability. It also helps that he is over 7'0 . There hasn't been any player that sat out a year and was a top ten pick. If any player decided not to play he would drop quickly on the rankings. Players that are playing would move above him.

[@lilcourtny08]

@@johnjohn0 Ben Simmons played in college for a season and is also around seven feet tall. If lamelo ball didn't play in Australia he wouldn't have been a top 3 pick. You can't sit out a Year and still be a high draft pick. Do you remember Billy Preston at Kansas about 4 years. Ago. He went to Kansas as a potential lottery pick, he got held out for possible NCAA rules violations and went undrafted. Brian Bowen went Louisville as a five star recruit and possible lottery pick but was also held out for possible NCAA rules violations. He missed the season and went undrafted. I need a example of someone that didn't play one game and still was a lottery pick.

[@EB-2427]

Brandon Marshall has a point. The energy is shifting because these black athletes are starting to understand their value and how to leverage it instead of being exploited. I love it.

[@jpennonline]

Bingo!

[@205rlg6]

Exactly

[@aprilreese1687]

He made a great point. It's shifting but the shift will still include all schools, that's the catch. You can leverage more with schools that have more money to leverage.

[@ska60te]

@Red PanDa1 You have to start somewhere though, one player at a time, think inter generationally plant the seeds now we (Black People) are the only ethnicity who do not do this, set up the next generation, we got to have it all while we are on earth

[@terrellmajors7221]

I mean will it be better to be exploited by your own people? It’s not like HBCU football isnt exploiting black athletes the same way power 5’s do.

[@fona6938]

Why didn't they have an athlete that went to an HBCU on this topic

[@Jaykurosakii]

BloodofAslaveHeartOfaKing GT can’t forget Robert Mathis and Donald Driver

[@JAlycee]

#FunFact Ese is a HBCU (Volleyball) Athlete! 🤗 • • But specifically, you’re referring to football.

[@JJDPROMEDIAPRODUCTION]

Exactly!

[@GoldenThunnda]

Darius Leonard, one of the best LBs in the NFL right now, SC State

[@igethighhighhigh]

I definitely wanna see more of your comments 💯💯

[@alicias9586]

With all due respect, please don't bring her back. She's more focused on being right and making a point that she doesn't see the flaws in her own thinking. I like watching healthy dialogue and a sense of understanding from all sides. This isn't it.

[@evanfernandez9885]

Facts. She totally killed the vibe of the show. These dude sit here every week listening to each other going back and forth and even if they disagree it never gets to this.

[@garrettc8490]

Wow, she is so annoying! I once dated a woman like her (emphasis on "once dated"). It's exhausting being around a chick who is always right...

[@b.garrett4501]

She was the President of House of Athlete at the time and a Producer of I Am Athlete. Don't think it was possible to not bring her back.

[@anthonidavis2378]

They both make great points. The problem is we as black folks look at the Jews and white folks as a barometer when it comes to success. What AA don’t realize is that those communities have invested in themselves. Fact is: Those big time universities have built those programs off the backs of free labor.

[@MC-tv2lv]

Jewish people have core values and were brought up in a way that basically garuntees them to be financially savy

[@deezuschrist9794]

M C lmfao

[@fazer2705]

Yes, the JEWS have always had core values in their statutes and commandments from their Bible.

[@MC-tv2lv]

@@fazer2705 exactly

[@carboncopych4616]

MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY!

[@BigCal-3000]

She uses buzz words and phrases like "slave mentality" to belittle and dismiss anyone's views that are not her own. This will cause anyone to be less willing to listen to what you're trying to say. She makes SOME valid points but she is completely obtuse in her view and is not willing to accept that someone else may have a valid point as well... Also J Rice went to Mississippi Valley State. We only got like 7 celebrities from here so give my state its respect Channing 😂

[@karimmiller5441]

Jerry Rice, BB King, Rick Ross, Morgan Freeman, Brett Favre.. I can't think of anybody else off the top from MS

[@BigCal-3000]

@@karimmiller5441 come on bro, u can't forget 'Sweetness' Walter Payton

[@karimmiller5441]

@@BigCal-3000 damn my bad I shol forgot about him 🤦‍♂️

[@xman333]

Those buzz words sound like racist white rhetoric. She’s a wanna be Candace Owens.

[@305b0i]

Yea she's big pro black, but it's a little annoying

[@MrJhairston]

She’s getting on my nerves just loud and knows “everything” and won’t even take in another persons point of view.

[@lucky7even693]

She’s not loud she’s passionate. Y’all really need to stop trying to kill Black Women with that bs.

[@tekkdademonn7851]

@@lucky7even693 she’s loud dawg and she gets louder so nobody else can talk.

[@mattbuckets1]

facts

[@MrKingj1969]

@@lucky7even693 naw she loud!

[@furiodante6507]

Truest comment I’ve read so far ...

[@stevenlowe7219]

She's just talking blackness, she's not getting the point from an athlete stand point

[@aprilreese1687]

Exactly!

[@pierrehenry3483]

She’s just a talker and while her black pride is admirable but it’s irrational. This is a money issue and all she’s saying is millionaires and billionaires needs to cut each student a 50k cheque to each student lol over a schools that have decades of years fine tuning their football programs to be the best in the world and country.

[@winningpath789]

It's easy to call on others to sacrifice while personally giving up nothing. She has never been in their shoes. So, it's silly to have her on the show.

[@irishwins4576]

Annoying

[@carboncopych4616]

WHAT IS THE ATHLETES STANDPOINT OTHER THAN "I JUST WANNA PLAY BALL BRUH"... BLOCK HEADS...

[@wegetBuZy2]

Fred Taylor cold! Like how bruh commands the room. He didn’t have to argue at all

[@cynco61]

Belle Glade in the building!

[@ExtraordinaryE901]

It’s not that he didn’t have to, he just understood to remain calm to get his words out

[@amirswright]

That’s why he always my favorite every episode.

[@spke532]

He’s OG triple OG.

[@jazh.1288]

Right!

[@tiowillyasmr7451]

There’s no way in hell a 5star quarterback is gonna go to Hampton over Alabama

[@jayandKimboTheBully]

Facts...Da shit ain't worth it

[@sonderyk7062]

@@jayandKimboTheBully Hampton has a good overall culture and staff

[@lucky7even693]

Not with the mentality they have and continues to be pushed in the media, no. But let their be a real push of top talent going to HBCUs guarantee you they create some bs rule to stop it from taking these top schools down. Majority of these schools get MOST of the money from their football program which is driven by the talent their able to acquire. Let all these top tier. Blu chip players start going to HBCU’s and see how long these so called top schools stay at the top.

[@trezrok8405]

It should start with basketball players.

[@DaddyGates0810]

If he has other 5 starts to go with him he definitely will

[@THous486]

Channing Crowder didn't even go to law school, and is making better points than her. You can't just ask someone to put 50K in anything, without serious discourse of what is to happen from their investment. As an HBCU grad, why is she making it such an incendiary topic? Let us (HBCUs) continue to make engineers, lawyers, doctors, politicians, movers and shakers, and let the FOOTBALL schools who have decades of tradition and legacy putting men into the NFL do their thing! Truth be told, football is not our thing. Our BANDS at halftime are bigger than our football teams lol. You go to Florida for the beaches, you go to Kansas City for bbq, go to Exxon for gas, and Jiffy Lube for an oil change. It's not a black or white thing, it's a football thing.

[@titusmcfarland9671]

@Jake Cash That’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying let the black athletes who has got it in football go to those SEC schools. The opportunity for them their is a WHOLE lot better than going to an HBCU, Period. However he’s also saying while that is happening HBCU’s will be continuing to make doctors, lawyers, etc.

[@kilocopter]

If the better black players went to hbcus football would be our thing. The reason we don’t have more popular hbcu football teams is because the best players don’t go.

[@bscottjr12]

If you have 50k sitting around chilling your name is probably a business so donating it to or spending it however you decide is a right off. With that said she just tried to ignite the flame or idea to why donating it to a kid or and hbcu would help a child or multiple kids to be great going thru an HBCU...

[@bscottjr12]

THIS NEEDS TO BE A HEADLINE TOPIC OR TITLE FOR AND UPCOMING SHOW AND SHE NEEDS TO BE ON THE SHOW

[@kingsweattv2465]

@@kilocopter this infantile logic.... if better black players went to HBCUs football would be your thing? lol are the players going to part time as bricklayers and engineers to help you build comparable facilities ??? The fuck kind of assbackwards logic is this!!?

[@michaelpeterson6900]

Her points are strong and valid from a standpoint of black culture. But she doesn't understand fully the ways and politics of sports the way those athletes do.

[@marcknight-3prfl-c901]

She does have a point ....if black athletes were to contribute to black colleges (even if they didn't attend that school) the HBCU programs would be more attractive HOWEVER, Her flaw in the argument (short of pointing out several) The leering one is that until players like Primetime avail their talent and skills to the school...kids are not going to go. Because the "program" and "division level" does not receive the exposure unless its a "special" on ESPN and the like.....But watch Primetime get the exposure.

[@damarimoland1613]

@@marcknight-3prfl-c901 and that’s what CP3 is on

[@kephrenh]

She is too much in her feelings to realize she is wrong. Sending top athletes to a place that does not have the capabilities to train them will only serve to ruin most of them. It would be better to have top athletes who have succeeded already to invest into those places to give them the means to train and not ruin top athletes.

[@LUX_8]

I doubt if "those athletes" understand anything. 🙄 Most fail to graduate and even fewer makes it to those pros. And how many BM are Head Coaches/GM/Presidents/ and Owners? We continue to play checkers while everyone else plays chess. 🙄

[@atifking8731]

@@LUX_8 Yup.. There shouldn't be a question..Black athletes should be going to the HBCU's

[@mello9053]

I don’t understand how she can even argue on this topic she never played

[@enzigenes]

Women.

[@LouStreets]

Exactly

[@laurencameron3150]

She can because you have to start from somewhere! Black ppl can’t continue to complain about the “hoods” they refuse to invest it! White ppl have been using black bodies to built up their communities for centuries! Now, they’re jst better paid!

[@hebrewharv8018]

@@enzigenes 😂😂😂😂

[@tripletboss]

She played Volleyball at Hampton

[@mackens6320]

A 13min reminder: Just because you’re loud doesn’t mean you’re right.

[@lovherboi513]

Yeah and she was very loud she was intentionally trying to talk over him

[@carboncopych4616]

SHE IS RIGHT!... LOUD OR NOT!...

[@mackens6320]

@@carboncopych4616 why you yelling bro? The video is a months old family.

[@carboncopych4616]

@@mackens6320 I KNOW IT IS. I'M NOT YELLING. I USE ALL CAP BECAUSE IT IS A LARGE, AND EASIER IN CONTRAST TO THE BLACK BACKGROUND. IT'S JUST A KEYBOARD OPTION.

[@mackens6320]

@@carboncopych4616 TOTALLY MAKES SENSE, I MAY START USING IT MORE MYSELF :)

[@ianmugar988]

I’m all for her point but her yelling and trying to talk over everyone is killing me

[@AtlLateNight]

I feel you. That's something that passionate people struggle with, the message gets lost because of the poor presentation. In spurts the yelling is passion; prolonged it is nails on a chalkboard. Turn the volume down and it becomes easier to digest this clip.

[@pierrehenry3483]

She can yell all she wants. All these guys have lived what she’s talking about and they know what they’re saying. They know how good D1 schools and their programs are compared to everyone else. You can conjure up things in your imagination but practicality must prevail. Can’t tell no 17-18 piss poor black kid to jeopardize their future over a movement. Not all talents are first round picks or generational talents. Some need that high level training program to get to a level where they can thrive and get the visibility they need to get to the major league

[@sneakypete139]

But you're not saying anything about what the men are doing. They're doing the same thing to her. They're not trying to understand here point.

[@stephenjohnson628]

That shit kills me

[@mechhyena6957]

@@sneakypete139 Nah.... they're a lot more calm than she is. She just loud.

[@rodp1670]

She brings up Legends that went to Hbcu’s... ask them why they went to hbcus ....cause they didn’t get a offer from anywhere else.... but ofcourse true talent usually prevails

[@3rdJose]

Shes hyper annoying

[@justjjustj2246]

Big Facts

[@dariuslovhalll5606]

This is true. Back in the day, they really didnt like black people. U wanna change the tide??? Build up hbcus with white and black players.

[@GoldStandardKennels-Rick]

Good point

[@RevelationMinistries114]

Also, HBCU’s have a track record of messing up financially. I remember a donor for an HBCU that was my mentor, and he consistently gave $3 million yearly for years. When he would go to homecoming and visit the campus throughout the year, he saw that the money he was giving was not being appropriately used and stopped giving money. So we have to stop pretending that only athletes will build up HBCU’s. We have to hold students who become alumni and make good money. We have to keep the leadership of these institutions accountable as well.

[@Shug31]

I understood everyone’s point but her and Channing’s yelling drove me insane! Fred came in with the calming voice and made a great point.

[@andredmoss]

@Krystal McAfee her over talking Channing was driving me crazy. She wasn’t listening to comprehend but listening to rebut.

[@Shug31]

andredmoss Correct!

[@6680mrsanders]

Yes she yells all the time and Channing got to calm down too.

[@kevinparker5508]

The mic's weren't set correctly. The audio person was overcompensating.

[@jmorris554]

It's called Logic lol

[@indade]

Channing Crowder was made to entertain. Dude’s a natural on radio, post game, and on this podcast.

[@jordanwilliams870]

Crowder is needed in these type of discussions

[@igethighhighhigh]

jordan williams ONGG

[@Eazybaby-fu7sy]

AGREED AGREED AGREE indade

[@Dr_HazardHunterDunn]

Yes indeed

[@dunk2lead]

How many years did his UF experience allow him to play in the NFL

[@majorgrimes8756]

Fred T! Thank you for always being that calm, voice of reason!!

[@MrImaWizard]

She just said "I expect brandon marshall to cut a black athlete 50k" uhhh the NCAA heard you girl and they ain't with it

[@joeyfish3156]

This woman is totally clueless on this subject.

[@Micisme86]

She basically is asking for the same corrupt system to be transferred to HBCUs

[@larrylove1069]

@@Micisme86 It's corrupt because the athletes aren't getting any of the money from packed stadiums, TV deals, shoe contracts, etc.

[@Micisme86]

@@larrylove1069 and you think that's going to change at a HBCU?

[@imsoicy87]

Joey Fish lies

[@jaylon.713]

I can’t stand when people talk and yell over one another just to get out a point that the other party won’t relate to. Doesn’t make sense

[@dankz9690]

Period. If I got top D1 TALENT I’m going to an HBCU.

[@jaylon.713]

Dankz Bruh it really only makes sense tbh. Producing millions of dollars for people that don’t like us like that won’t help us in the long run

[@MsJobs-fc9jp]

My 11 yr old grandson has already attached D1 to his Instagram handle. His grandfather played football at Howard and his dad played football at Morehouse. His uncle currently coaches at NC A&T but he has aspirations of playing at a big time SEC or ACC program. He's seen the difference in the facilities, training rooms and dining facilities and much to my dismay he wants no part of an HBCU football program. As a family, we had to understand it's his dream and his journey so it's choice based on his talent. All we can do is continue to love and support him.

[@WGAGENCY]

@@johnjohn0 what😂😂😂

[@WGAGENCY]

@@johnjohn0 you're asking for a person to put his lively hood on the line. He's going to pick the better life 10/10 times

[@WGAGENCY]

@@johnjohn0 that's basically what you're asking them to do. Perfect example TSU. In my city. The living conditions alone are horrible on campus for all students that live there. Gun violence through the roof. They don't even have computers in the library.

[@WGAGENCY]

@@johnjohn0 if you had an opportunity to go to Alabama which is a NFL factory vs a HBCU your chances of making the league are extremely different. Go to a top school with the best of everything vs going to a HBCU for strictly football it's not even close. The risk reward for that individual person is too great

[@WGAGENCY]

@@johnjohn0 a person's manner of living. Big difference between going to a HBCU and a top school for the athletes. To say a school has zero impact on your livelihood short and long term is just your bias speaking.

[@mikecolin3983]

When ever I hear about giving money to HBCUs the first thing I think is, where are their alumni? Do they not believe in the movement?

[@saashamoniquew1]

We do give back, the money is not the same.

[@mikecolin3983]

@@saashamoniquew1 no y'all most certainly do not give back. The stats say on average less than 15% HBCU alumni give back. Claflin last I check was the highest at 47.7% less than 50%. I find it ridiculous that HBCU graduates are asking non HBCU graduates for money when they don't even give to their schools.

[@omgtj007]

As the Sister in the video said “there are levels” some HBCU give back and you can see it. Others when they give back it has to go to the school. And most are still trying to get adequate funding from their states

[@avalonsignoraalmas6150]

@@mikecolin3983, I think the ones that already give back are the ones that ask others to donate. I doubt the ones who don’t donate care if you do or not.

[@mikecolin3983]

@@avalonsignoraalmas6150 than they need to be asking the HBCU graduates 1st and persistently to give back.

[@happycurls4086]

They need an athlete that went to a historical black college to have this discussion with. She doesn't know the politics behind the NFL draftees. A lot of these black colleges are going bankrupt. Money makes a huge difference in players getting training and being discovered.

[@TheRealAnswer23]

Are they? I see PWIs CLOSING and HBCUs coming back to life (Bennett and Morris Brown). Tryna figure out where the facts are in what you said.

[@dariuslovhalll5606]

@@TheRealAnswer23 some are cuz. But if u remember they were tryna defund us at southern and grambling. They tried to make us "child" schools of lsu and la tech

[@TheRealAnswer23]

@@dariuslovhalll5606 I DO remember that. It was a colonization play: they OWED YALL MONEY and tried everything they could to not give that money to STATE SCHOOLS THAT WHITE KIDS WEREN'T CHOOSING...Along with changing your name and owning your identity. I understood the whole thing. Just like I'm watching the next set of plays from "them" with this sudden desire to build at or in the immediate vicinity of HBCUs like those in the AUC (Morehouse, Spelman, Clark Atlanta, Morris Brown, ITC)... SUDDENLY you want to push a bunch of money and sit at the table and smile, while you build these Google/Apple tech institutions ON the campus(es)...Next thing you know, where there are THOSE opportunities, you have a bunch of white kids/foreigners on the way to eat up the money with "minority" scholarships...Makes sense considering Arthur Blank (Home Depot/Falcons) paid ALL of the taxes in the area for the next 25 years and people think he was doing some kind, simple act. MFs better wake up to the facts of how COLONIZATION works, get in OUR HOUSES (schools) and start playing to win before we don't have SH-T LEFT and end up with LESS going to their schools: no competition, no reason to give any respect.

[@avalonsignoraalmas6150]

Wait, which ones are going bankrupt? I haven’t heard about this.

[@avalonsignoraalmas6150]

@@chichim2020, I wasn’t saying otherwise. I just don’t know which ones are struggling, so I asked a question. I never denied anything. Since you didn’t answer, I looked it up, but all I found was an article about 3 schools that closed in 2019.

[@i95Media]

Her argumentative ways irked me, I get it, but you can't shame current and future athletes for taking the road that's best for them, these HBCUs need to build up their programs. She is not wrong, but don't play the race card with your own black people.

[@i95Media]

@@BlaqEndeavor Right?

[@graylonperson9012]

Exactly...

[@msmichele60]

Facts 💯 she irks me to 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@MrImaWizard]

I'm sorry but you cant tell a reciever that he would be in the same spot had he gone to a tiny school with a QB that would likely never even sniff the nfl draft. Football isnt like basketball or baseball where you can individually succeed and get the notoriety for it. Football is a pure team sport and that's why top football prospects go to the top schools that are known for winning and creating NFL players. It's that simple

[@joshuadelton5970]

Jerry rice, Steve Mcnair, Mel Blount, Ronny Harrison, and John Randle went to HBCUs.

[@MrImaWizard]

@@joshuadelton5970 so 5 guys as compared to the thousands that didnt? The point is bettering your chances not that its impossible. Even the best of the best benefit from being at the top schools.

[@nhnj7543]

Joshua Delton you named 5 ppl bro

[@vwrice10]

@@nhnj7543 www.profootballhof.com/celebration-of-pro-football-hall-of-famers-who-attended-historically-black-colleges-and-universities-at-super-bowl-li/

[@nhnj7543]

Vincent Wrice name someone in the 2000’s

[@Twisteddipstick1]

Fred is the big homie of this group

[@levon6363]

Real talk... he laid the facts simple

[@robertjames6632]

He from the crib.

[@YoursTrulyRob]

Robert James I see what you did there

[@briangarcia4097]

😂

[@jaypolite7239]

Big Facts!!!

[@beeliteent]

Damn she was aggressive. The HBCUs have to get out and recruit the kids and show them they are wanted the same way the PWI’s do

[@og6340]

What’s better to a 18 year old kid free lunch or a hell cat challenger or a big boy Escalade ? Have you ever see student athletes dorms parking lots at division 1 schools ?

[@MM-ng5wc]

U don't see the guy talking over her and she has to try get word in.

[@chbrown24]

I think that Channing and Ese are both coming from a different generation. Channing (and my generation and before me) were just striving to make things happen no matter where you (although I went Hampton University as well as Ese). Where Ese is right is to ask the players who have benefited from playing at a PWI and have gone on to the NFL, to donate, sponsor an# support HBCUs because now they have a higher status in life and they can help change the recruiting scene by funding these schools, and encouraging these young athletes to go to an HBCU. They also need to help with making sure these schools are getting better training staff, coaches, and influencers that will inspire the young athletes to go there and have their parents support that decision. A lot times, it's the parents that pressure the kids to go to PWI schools because they feel (and may be true) they will get better exposure. Its time to change this.

[@atifking8731]

@@chbrown24 Yes

[@jessicat9179]

Yea HBCU’s have to recruit more . Different sport/same scenario...jah morant had is first college recruit from NCA&T. Even though he didn’t take the offer and went to a “bigger D1 school” like Murray State...

[@SteelersLakersFan]

You have no moral obligation to attend an HBCU to make people you don’t know happy. Top black players should attend HBCUs...but not out of charity. If said HBCU doesn’t give players the best chance to WIN, DEVELOP their game and be successful, they shouldn’t go. And the fact is, for the most part, players develop better around the resources and development of other universities

[@Funfun6000]

D T a lot of players from non power 5/ and even power 5 don’t make it. Funding those HBCU will help and Fred was right exposure lead to expansion, if those players went to HBCU they’ll get exposure which will lead to expansion

[@SteelersLakersFan]

rl184 it’s not the 70s, it’s 2020

[@lukelucas8112]

@D T please expand. Thats BS...

[@lukelucas8112]

@D T so your saying that if u automatically attend a PWI, your chances are better making it to the next level. Do you know what the odds are? Habe u looked at a Pro roster lately. There are schools that u never heard of. If your good enough, they will find you. Also your chances are better for graduating from an HBCU. Once ur done at the PWI, they habe no use for u

[@gabrieljohnson4517]

BloodofAslaveHeartOfaKing everything is within context those players unfortunately at that time didn’t have the option to attend a pwi and kids aren’t looking at somebody who played before their parents were born they looking at recent stats of how may players they sent to the league now

[@reeldeal2149]

Fred Taylor literally came in to that convo how a boss should

[@JerryJ13]

As an HBCU alum who attended an SEC school for grad studies, there’s a HUGE deficit in funding and facilities. That starts with us as alumni, NOT with the current athletes. We can’t expect kids to choose lesser resources with the dream of the league.

[@Michael-fb5ik]

If all black athletes went to HBCU’s the professional leagues would have less black players. Other players would be denied the opportunity to even get a scholarship because the schools can only give so many scholarships. Unless, the other players went to other colleges that are not an HBCU. Which leaves us where we are. Also you can’t even get the graduates from HBCU’s to donate to these schools. The issue is not about athletics, it’s about graduates annually donating to the HBCU’s that they attended.

[@JerryJ13]

@@Michael-fb5ik I don’t think the goal is getting EVERYONE to HBCUs but getting more premier athletes there. And your last point is exactly what I was getting to. Having seen both sides, graduates of PWIs donate more often and in greater quantity than HBCUs. That’s where the change needs to begin. For athletics and academics.

[@JerryJ13]

@@johnjohn0 But let’s be realistic about the situation. There’s not enough parents and kids that care about making a change to take less than they’re getting elsewhere. Less TV exposure, lesser workout facilities, lesser training & recovery equipment, lesser perks in everyday life. I was at Alcorn when all the SWAC championships started to roll in. Then I came to Auburn and worked in the Athletic program. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Dorms for athletes only, dining halls where athletes get priority & daily snack supplements. When at Alcorn, athletes weren’t even roomed together, they ate with the rest of us in the dining hall, and they bought snacks from the vending machine. I say this to say that before we can expect a massive transfer of talent, we have to contribute money to our universities so we can build at least sub-par programs when it comes to what matters in recruiting.

[@The_king567]

@@Michael-fb5ik nah HBCUs will always be a joke and shouldn’t exist

[@The_king567]

@@johnjohn0 hahah what a stupid thing to say HBCUs shouldn’t even exist no more no HBCU will ever be on power 5 school

[@Kim-zh2gg]

I went to Grambling, ran track and earned an undergrad degree. I went to Baylor for grad school. There was a difference to both experiences. What I gained from my HBCU is a unique experience being in a majority environment. Running track it didn’t matter what school you went to, your time/measurement was the basis of your talent. I think the argument that was trying to be made with “money follows, money” is related to the fact black athletes from HBCUs were recruited to grow division one/big schools and as that trend grew, it diminished HBCUs ability to compete for talent. With recent events, it’s time to rethink the power HBUCs harness. Speaking from my personal experience both paths of education provided value.

[@dmmarrero1]

I had the same experience at Southern University and then lsu.

[@Anthony-ih5ov]

I think the point all the athletes were trying to make was going to a power 5 school put them in a better position to succeed in sports than attending a HBCU would have. Power 5 schools have better players, coaches, and facilities. Also playing at a power 5 school would give the athlete much more exposure than they would have at a HBCU.

[@Kim-zh2gg]

I’m not obtuse to the point trying to be made by the athlete perspective. To a degree I understand especially for sport like football where a larger school can provide better opportunities. Along with the goal of getting exposure, I hope getting the education is part of the plan. If the athlete makes it to a professional setting after their career you often see them end up broke because they don’t have basic skills to invest and prepare for life after sports. It comes down to having a plan for your future no matter the path of HBCU or PWI.

[@Anthony-ih5ov]

Well said. I agree 100%

[@Kim-zh2gg]

Not sure I follow. Are you simply stating you wish any of the HBCUs recruited you in general? In general there seems to be a misconception that talent alone with get you scholarship as if it’s a rite of passage. There are thousands of good athletes, how do you stand our? What did you do to ensure yourself a scholarship? Goes back to my point. You need a plan.

[@jcooper9391]

I’ve never seen such a compelling argument covering “Money” over the “Movement” regarding the option of where to play football. Kudos for capturing this. Please tell me there’s more footage of this discussion. I will add for a point of consideration, the civil rights movement involved countless teenagers and college age adults, the protest against the Vietnam War heavily involved the same age group. Don’t discount the youth’s ability to choose the movement over money.

[@truthbearer7891]

White supremacists have become smarter since then. They indoctrinate the youth with message of going after selfish pleasures which destroys that spirit of sacrifice

[@joshuaharris6934]

Truth Bearer You Betta PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@jcooper9391]

Same temptations exist back then just in a different form. Instead of which college to attend, the struggle was do you go hustle for the quick cash in order to pursue the “American Dream” or not. There’s nothing new under the sun. Same tricks, different tools.

[@willysweetwonkajoe1432]

Black ppl in America have the mentality of a "working girl"...we wanna be under whichever pimp looks the flyest

[@nhnj7543]

Truth Bearer why should they have to sacrifice?

[@mallymall3930]

although I'm 7 months late, this absolutely should be made an entire episode. to hear the great Reggie Wayne's comment is an episode all by itself! Geezus Krist... who da hell dropped THAT ball (pun intended).

[@TheAngry1]

We need this full episode.

[@ljgarou]

Facts

[@BeforeYouGoPro]

The talent will follow the money 99% of the time. Work with these young men on a daily basis. A 17 yr old is going to go where athletes are on TV and where the resources are

[@RBZ-1]

the other thing is the money will also follow the talent. within 10 years of full commitment of black kids going to hbcu's and the landscape of winning changes dramatically and the tv (as well as other) money will follow

[@BeforeYouGoPro]

@@RBZ-1 That's indeed what will happen if the athletes go. But it can't be the two's and fews. It has to be the masses. To Reggie Wayne's point. No HBCU's recruited me either. They knew I was going to a Big Football School. So you also have to change the culture of those schools even being willing to spend resources on recruiting Big-Time Talent

[@kaydub7079]

TV is changing. Some of the young kids don't watch regular TV at all. They look for the content they want and don't care about ABC, NBC or anything else. Also the pros will find you if you have the talent. St. Vincent St Mary was just a high school, but the world came to see LeBron. Zion didn't need Duke to go number 1, the scouts came to his high school because of Vines and KZbin. Giannis played in a raggedy ymca in Greece... but the NBA found him. Bulls found Pippen at Central Arkansas??..bottom line, if you have the talent the leagues will find you.

[@BeforeYouGoPro]

@@kaydub7079 wether it's TV or something else they want to be seen. I am a former D1 football player who had options. The schools I saw were the schools I considered. If HBCU's can find a way to be more top of mind and provide dynamic resources for their athletes. Then they have a shot! If not, the schools with the money and exposure will continue to have the best prospects. At least that's how football works

[@2nd2nobody]

See how quiet everyone got when Fred spoke?

[@cocoablonde4423]

I kept waiting to hear someone bring up class, but it was never addressed. The fact is, most HBCU students are children of middle- to high-income families (the black elite) almost exclusively while the majority of black athletes are from low- to working-middle income families. i.e., they can't afford HBCUs. Predominantly white schools get the best kids because they offer free education, housing, meal plans and stipends and they have the best training and facilities. HBCUs can't/don't. Black millionaires & billionaires could change this, but it has to be acknowledged first.

[@krisskross280]

I don't agree with this I have multiple family members and friends who have and are going to hbcu and they are not from high class families and as a former athlete a lot of kids choose other places rather than a hbcu cuz of tv, the attention for themselves and from pro organizations, the facilities are better, and wen ur an athlete u want too competition the best of the best to go against and not knocking hbcu but cuz of these reasons tht comp ain't there

[@Marinozone]

BloodofAslaveHeartOfaKing financial aid and scholarships are two different things.

[@cocoablonde4423]

@@Marinozone Agreed. I attended Howard and was surrounded by students from two-parent households where both parents were professionals who also went to HBCUs and had advanced degrees and/or owned businesses. Statistically, that's a small portion of black people in the US. Yes there are some students receiving financial aid of some kind, but more than half don't and also don't have to work to support themselves.

[@cjcalmus3305]

WRONG. Most HBCU students come from lower to middle class families

[@cocoablonde4423]

@@cjcalmus3305 Which HBCU did you attend?

[@augustwilliams6648]

I understand her point but she’s asking for a lot from a kid who’s likely underprivileged to choose between a school with exposure already vs a school where that kid must create the exposure for themselves. If you ask someone to choose between a 80% chance of exposure vs 15% chance, anyone would choose the 80%. But I agree that the culture should change but it doesn’t start at the bottom, it starts at the top.

[@marcknight-3prfl-c901]

She does have a point ....if black athletes were to contribute to black colleges (even if they didn't attend that school) the HBCU programs would be more attractive HOWEVER, Her flaw in the argument (short of pointing out several) The leering one is that until players like Primetime avail their talent and skills to the school...kids are not going to go. Because the "program" and "division level" does not receive the exposure unless its a "special" on ESPN and the like.....But watch Primetime get the exposure.

[@LUX_8]

What good is "exposure" if you fail to graduate or get injured? And less than 1% makes it to the Pros!

[@The_king567]

@@marcknight-3prfl-c901 that will never happen HBCUs shouldn’t be around and nobody should pick them over a better school

[@ClaryMcClam]

Everyone has good points. The difference is though, when it comes to athletes choosing between an HBCU and a non HBCU they are probably going to choose the non HBCU. Those schools are usually already established with great facilities, staff, programs built to grow them into better athletes, and competition from other top ranking athletic schools that’s going to push them to be better. Even if money was put into HBCUs, their programs and strength of schedule wouldn’t turn out as many pro league prospects as the non HBCUs. If we turn to academics, then the conversation changes a bit bc being in a school where you aren’t a minority helps with the mental health struggles black ppl have dealt with all of our lives. It breeds confidence and enables a lot of black people who are very successful to go out into the world and compete on the same level as other races without having to work twice as hard. Or own businesses and open that door to wealth that’s been shut for so long. When it comes to sports, follow the money and strength of schedule. When it comes to academics, attend HBCUs and give continue to give back as an alumni and grow them into top schools in the country for education.

[@Ceddy2418]

The black community can’t depend on these athletes, we need more black doctors and black lawyers not athletes and rappers

[@sky1luv793]

We need more successful black people in all fields.

[@Mansamusa561]

These Athletes going to HBCUs will help the Black community a lot financially which will help these schools have better graduation rates. Better graduation rates equals more Black professionals.

[@Ceddy2418]

Mansa Musa how tho, where is that money coming from

[@Mansamusa561]

Cedrick Bopda Waffo that money comes from the large fan base that the HBCU Schools will gain if Black Athletes went to HBCUs. Fans buying merchandise, paying to get into games. Better sponsors, money for televised games. College football is a Billion dollar business.

[@Mansamusa561]

K Will You’re the 1 that’s Childish. All those Colleges you named Football/Basketball teams are majority Black bt they only produce a handful of NFL talent and do not have 5 star recruits committing to them like the SEC conference. When is the last time any of those schools have won a National Championship? The greatest College football team in California is the greatest because they recruit Black guys from disenfranchised Black Communities. Reggie Bush, Keyshawn Johnson, Willie Mcginest, Reggie White etc... stadiums can be rebuilt you Child. The money they generate from having a bigger fan base will allow them to. There are currently 40 Bowl games, no one will care if you create more. Also HBCUs in the same state have rivalry games which they call Classics. The Alumni, fanbase, stadiums, conference“will” grow. With Players going to HBCUs it will bring in fans from all races not just Black. What loan I’m I asking for? All I’m saying is for this Black Athletes to go to HBCUs to to increase the financial situation within the community. If all the top Black athletes of your favorite College sports team left. Your team will be trash, getting beat every year by an HBCU team and you will no longer be a fan because of how trash they are.

[@Yattaflowz]

When your parents don’t have a high school education but someone else have 2 degrees the house whole income is extremely different so when opportunity comes the less fortunate going for the money

[@CarmenBelcher]

Kenyatta Bowen yeah my grandparents were both college educated, 4 members with master’s degrees, mom has doctorate, I come from a family of education so HBCU was a necessity bc we lived in white neighborhoods for 3 generations with Black success

[@CarmenBelcher]

I attended an HBCU to finally meet other well to do Blacks who intend to marry within our race...

[@gregguess5248]

Fred on point and yet respectful as usual

[@kbaham999]

Great argument, wrong sports. I went to an HBCU. Most HBCUs operate from the standpoint that none of their athletes will play professional sports. So, they emphasize the education you will receive and sports is secondary. Now, if a kid goes to a HBCU to play basketball, it is still likely that he will be seen by NBA scouts. He might get an opportunity if he has NBA talent. But football is a totally different beast. All of the starters are usually pro prospects. The backups bust their ass to get playing time because they might get a look from the pros. Then there are kids further down the depth chart that are on the team strictly to get a free education. HBCU football is never going to be the mecca for black players that it once was. The best they can hope for is to become competitive with mid major schools for talent. But, basketball has a chance. It only takes a handful of top prospects to make HBCUs competitive. Get a few NIT and NCAA tournament appearances and next thing you know you have a couple of HBCUs that are suddenly basketball powerhouses.

[@gskinner7440]

great point

[@lukelucas8112]

You have no what you are talking about

[@JamesRoyston1]

@K Will yes exactly and also just another point to kinda add on is the people who should be "called out" to give to the athletics are the successful alumni who attended the HBCU school's. That's how most of the "major" colleges became major schools. They had successful alumni who really cared about football who give to the athletics program yearly to help build up the program as a whole from facilities to staff and things like that. The truth is black people who are in the HBCU community don't actually care enough about sports because of the stigma that's out there says we can be more than just athletes and entertainment professionals. So I don't think it will sit well with the people in the black ivy league schools if you will to know that there's millions of dollars that's put into the athletics program and stuff like that when there's more important educational things that may need to be addressed at those schools because that's where their reputations lie in the education.

[@candylk247]

Good point.

[@JamesRoyston1]

@K Will right and last time I checked, HBCU'S are apart of the NCAA also so they're subject to rules and regulations too so what's going to really change? HBCU's get involved in that athletic side then that means inviting bribery, under the table money, all types of impermissible benefits that will ruin these black athletes futures and it's not a good look especially coming from a Black school. Look at what happened with the college basketball scandal a couple years ago with LSU (Will Wade), Arizona (Sean Miller) and Adidas and all that. Look at who went to jail one white dude and the rest all black coaches. At HBCU'S it would be all black coaches just the same. HBCU'S don't want that smoke nor us as a community would want to see that because it will be equivalent to gang wars in the hood. It's kinda silly.

[@davidornelas7864]

I’m Mexican but I’d like to see top athletes go to HBCU’s just to show we are independent and can do without they money.

[@vattelvoigt5321]

David Ornelas Alabama’s Football Facility: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ2nh4meerxmmbc West Georgia Facility: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oquvnpqXgtCHr6c tell me where would y’all should to go coming out of high school

[@aloysiushailey7954]

@@vattelvoigt5321 That may be true, but they got all that money and nice things on the backs of the black athlete. So tell me if all the black athletes boycott the PWI's they attend what will the school do? Cave in to their demands which means they have power because they are of the most importance. They can get the money to HBCUs through athletics and they too can have the same facilities as the PWIs and build up the community. PWIs back in the day put together a plan to get those athletes because they saw dollar signs, let's not forget that!

[@vattelvoigt5321]

Aloysius Hailey what plan does these HBCU’s have in place to ensure that they can prepare athletes for the professional level. The 2020 NFL Draft has 54 players drafted from the SEC alone. This is only one conference. Do you know how many were drafted coming from an HBCU? 1 player was selected. These top notch programs have a coaching advantage, resources, and alumni connections. What HBCU can compete with that?

[@aloysiushailey7954]

@@vattelvoigt5321 Just like my man on the video, you're missing the point. You're asking what do they have in place to compete with the white schools. Well they don't have the resources because the white schools have resources because they have the athletes. If the athletes went to the HBCUs then over time the schools will have the money to pay the kids under the table (let's not act like that doesn't happen either) and then they can get their facilities, coaches, other resources to support the kids. The best thing HBCUs can hope for is the change in the mindset of the athletes, which I believe is coming. If you level the playing field then we'll see what really is going on. It's no need to brag on the SEC or any other white school. They have plucked the resources from our neighborhoods (our athletes) and used it to their advantage and then turn around and tell the HBCUs 'what do you have to offer them?' That's the typical mindset of America!

[@vattelvoigt5321]

Aloysius Hailey So go to a school that has insufficient funds and resources, and put my career and family in jeopardy right? You are speaking about hypotheticals when their is factual evidence that, the better the resources the better the opportunity to advance. Let me ask you this, why do some parents take their kids and transfer them to better school?

[@RuQuanSavion]

I go to Harvard. I also reached out to several HBCU coaches and got no response. I would have loved to attend an HBCU and am still grateful for my school. I see her side, though

[@marcknight-3prfl-c901]

She does have a point ....if black athletes were to contribute to black colleges (even if they didn't attend that school) the HBCU programs would be more attractive HOWEVER, Her flaw in the argument (short of pointing out several) The leering one is that until players like Primetime avail their talent and skills to the school...kids are not going to go. Because the "program" and "division level" does not receive the exposure unless its a "special" on ESPN and the like.....But watch Primetime get the exposure.

[@AK-ACEx]

"What I'm expecting is for black millionaires to build up their own environments" went over a lot of yall's heads, including black millionaires heads

[@Mr.M_I_T]

Selective hearing!

[@jourdanwashington630]

It's easy to make bold declarations when it isn't coming out of your pockets.

[@pierrehenry3483]

@@jourdanwashington630 precisely. Everybody love watching other people’s pocket.

[@psd.3144]

That didn't go over anyone's head... everybody just knows that is expecting a bunch of people to create a money pit and that aint happening.

[@sneakypete139]

Really, what is the black man problem with black women. Looking at these post the only criticism is shown towards her. Nothing about talking over her. Nothing about her point but about the way she's presenting it. Everyone in that room is talking and yelling over each other but the only criticism I read in this post are directed at her. I'm now seeing black men go after Kamala Harris. Right her before the election that has a straight up fool running the country we have niggas going after a black woman. This amazingly stupid!!!!!

[@saidufofanah2210]

Fred Taylor made a perfect point

[@brotherman1363]

NO

[@davonlabrew2165]

yea i know what he tryna say. i went to a better off high school 40 percent white 25 black 15 mexican 10 asian etc. being able to be learn how to maneuver around all those different groups an cultures is extremely beneficial especially with the resources poured into that school but as far as my progression as an african american ?? i'd imagine its different when the expectation is for you to be great BECAUSE you are black. the standard for me was dont fail.

[@abaoaqu1333]

@Mr. Marshall i hear all that but I don't understand why the pressure isn't on the institution to do better rather than the athlete. In our every day lives people will go where they get the best experiences and products but imagine telling ppl that they have to go somewhere where the experiences and products are inferior. Its not to disparage HBCUs but if this woman talks about how well she is doing and all these successful black people coming from these HBCUs, where is the donor class of these school boosting these institutions endowment. Stop putting pressure on KIDS and put the pressure and accountability onto the institution.

[@nhnj7543]

Mr. Marshall he told the truth. That lady is an idiot she has no clue about anything.

[@silents04]

They need to extend this conversation and discuss how Prime Time coaching at Jackson State will impact college football.

[@JamesRoyston1]

Give it a few years and Jackson State will start to be good. Gotta get off these sanctions first.

[@inokerogoyawa]

They gotta get some good wins first...Hopefully they can play some power conferences teams and get those wins sooner than later....Its gonna be a process but you know how impatient our society is..Wishing the best for Coach Prime and his staff/team

[@The_king567]

No it won’t when he leaves nobody will care about them

[@The_king567]

@@JamesRoyston1 no they won’t

[@Superman32211]

The mistake she made was saying that Reggie Wayne would have been who he was regardless of where he went to school. 🤔that mentality right there shows me her lack of knowledge on how people get drafted or signed to the NFL. I played both D2 and D1 football...and I can assure you that we had athletes at both levels, but in order to make it out of D2 to the next level you have to scratch and claw a whole lot harder. And once you get a shot in the NFL you have to be a beast on the field to stay there.

[@rljproductionsinc284]

True fr 🔥

[@db5347]

This conversation is too important for 2 emotional people to talk over each other

[@lifeisgood9358]

From a current college athlete I want to play at an hbcu but there’s not enough incentive

[@johnknowssports5624]

The list of Hall of Fame players from HBCUs is 1 incentive, the cultural experience at an HBCU is another incentive, the Joy of Homecoming is another, the Black the College the Sweeter The Knowledge, the women are Beautiful, there isn’t any Racism at an HBCU Depends on what you are looking for

[@biigozz1739]

She sounds like a Hampton recruiter lol

[@Country-boy517]

😹😹😹

[@georgiablackman9661]

You must went to Hampton university

[@ceb316]

You mean the other HU lol

[@LelandBWorking]

Soooo we're gonna act like players who go to Big-5 don't donate back to their colleges... There is plenty of money. I agree with the sister. Those same players could donate money to HBCUs

[@addisoncook89]

Why would/should they donate to universities they did not attend?

[@TeeTee-2016]

You really only hear about Morehouse getting huge donations.

[@sportsguyq197]

how about HBCU alumni donate back to their own schools. There are stats that show how low alumni giving is at these schools and that's what drives collegiate sports. Yeah an HBCU may not have 1 guy able to cut a 50 million check like the big boys but if 2,000 HBCU alum to give $20 a check, that's roughly $1 mil a year, and over time that has an impact. But too many people are waiting on others to do it.

[@sportsguyq197]

@@addisoncook89 plenty of people do it for PWI. they are super fans of Alabama but for whatever reason attended a different university (UAB,) they love the Tide that much, that they still give.

[@marissabaty2849]

She is mad annoying. All of that hollering and belligerence. How much has she donated?

[@RockLee0620]

They probably cut her mic 2 minutes in and she still drowned out everyone else. She was not allowed to use scissors as a child.

[@xman333]

Facts! She’s a fake feminist who uses WS buzz words by referring to accomplished Black men as “slaves” to belittle them. It’s played out 🛏 🔧 bimbo babble.

[@kushstrapn]

Facts. Plus she doesn’t understand the mindset and opportunities for a top black male athlete to attend these top PWI schools

[@ifenyame7015]

Give your brains 60 seconds and hear what she i saying. She's making great points.

[@xman333]

@@ifenyame7015 no she’s belittling these brothers by using white racist buzz words on some Candace Owens bs. I know an immigrant 🛏 🔧 when I see em & hear em.

[@rlouisme45]

"To not be a minority in the most important four years in your life." She speaking from the soul.

[@rfreeze]

Great conversation. The young sister is right. Please believe that if all the Zion Williamson(s) and Trey Youngs and Patrick Maholmes and DeShaun Watsons start going to HBCUs that is where the advertising dollars are going as well because fans want to watch talent...period. And the black community needs to harness and capitalize upon whatever talents in ANY field it has. Not only that but going to an HBCU was the best decision I EVER made. It was a vibe and to her point I was emmersed in black excellence and culture in a way that can be experienced no where else on the planet. We have to shift our mindset to OWN our own ish’ not work for somebody else who owns the ish’.

[@nononono12345]

R Freeze BINGO

[@addisoncook89]

You have to have the facilities and the commitment for the HBCUs to attract those guys. As of now, playing at Duke and these other PWIs that invest heavy into the programs give them the exposure and increase their chances at making their league of choice. We need the alumni of the HBCUs to help with that.

[@Allthingzboxing817]

Very true and I just said this in other comments but that's easier said then done to really get them boys to come. A big player would have to step up and believe and sacrifice first and be the trend setter

[@zakhiamoorephd6551]

Proud HBCU grad..... my hope is that the parents and the prospects will begin to look more closely at HBCUs... unfortunately some folks get caught up in the "facilities" and the big name programs....however HBCUs are our heritage. We've already given these trillions of dollars in free labor. Why give them any more?

[@pat4592]

Screw Dreams in my own opinion, there are two sources that would profoundly impact the attraction for top athletes to HBCUs: investment and talent. One sacrifice that isn’t being made that has continued to plague the black community is the lack of the black dollar being invested and kept in the black community. In other words, black billionaires and millionaires are not giving enough to HBCUs. With real wealth investment into HBCUs, that would mean better facilities, higher salaries for better coaches & trainers, and ultimately a better all-around experience and transition for top athletes into the professional level of sports. The second source, talent. Not enough top athletes have been willing to be the sacrificial lamb and go play at an HBCU (which sucks but is fair for them). But if the talent went to HBCUs, everything else would follow (the demand, the money, the tv, the opportunities, etc). It would be ideal for the investment to come first before the talent, but as a community, we can’t even be unified enough to make that happen. But I feel like we’re getting there, slowly but surely.

[@503baller3]

I don’t think she knows how real the SEC is

[@jayandKimboTheBully]

Bama would put up 100 on Hampton in the first quarter with the water boys

[@kaybee9071]

They’re listening to one another to respond and not listening to understand but each making a very valid point, Brandon especially. But I feel her, being around successful black people builds a network that is priceless.

[@qkwasii6]

..she talkn about education they talking about athletics🤔

[@sto1238]

And even then a 18 year old student athlete is better off going to a USC, Miami, UCs or Duke (all big academic schools)

[@TheHales]

@@sto1238 lmao you say that as if HBCU’s don’t produce highly qualified individuals

[@rickqueen65]

I'm why either of them can't let the other talk without interrupting. Yelling over each other. Let's say it starts there. This conversation needs alot more dialogue.

[@phitlife_tx]

Situations are different you cant expect a teenager coming from the streets taking care of mama sister brother father to pick a low funding HBCU over a top 5 college where he feels he can have a better opportunity to get his family out the hood..

[@AJWs486]

This needs to be a full episode. Watching these comments makes me disappointed. It’s so sad a lot of black athletes don’t know their worth.Why does society have black athletes brainwashed to believe you can only get to the NFL by attending PWIs yet black athletes make up majority of professionals sports if more kids go to HBCUs I believe this brainwashed mentality will decrease. Men learn how to understand this is a women pleading for HBCUs this is not a angry black woman.

[@omgtj007]

The one question I wished my HBCU sister would’ve asked is “how many players they played with didn’t make it” Because as a HBCU grad I’ve noticed that a lot of black pwi students and grads will gravitate towards us for better success that they thought they would get at a pwi

[@mrenzo2004]

a lot of them didn't make it, however they got a 4 year scholarship due to the amount of funding PWI (Power 5) schools get.

[@omgtj007]

@@mrenzo2004 which is true they did get the scholarship but how many (kept) their scholarship. Last chance U really opened people’s eyes to what happens when the glitz and glam goes away from those p5s

[@kendrickconstant5930]

I see where she's coming from, but resources and the right environment matter in order to mold and grow talent. For example, Brady is not Brady if he is drafted by the Jets. What she is proposing is a slow movement that doesn't factor in that these 17 & 18-year-olds can get injured and lose their whole career at any second, with nothing to fall back on.

[@perk7420]

That happen more over at the PWC. I hear you but that can no longer be justification. PWC are not offering sport insurance for un-drafted injured college athethes.

[@plug1connect]

Resources can shift the dynamic.There are enough millionaire black athletes to make a huge difference but they don't see it.

[@christians.1579]

@@plug1connect I agree but it's always easy to make someone elses decisions. It has to be a slow change but we have to understand the difficulty which Crowder was saying. Also, being young too,how many of us are mature or aware of enough.

[@vattelvoigt5321]

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[@vattelvoigt5321]

Ron Matthews Alabama’s Football Facility: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ2nh4meerxmmbc West Georgia Facility: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oquvnpqXgtCHr6c tell me where would y’all should to go coming out of high school.

[@rickj.4480]

Now this needs to be a full segment and not just behind the scene.

[@jacobdienes5862]

If this lady say slave mentality one more time bruh..she don't know what she talking bout. Won't even let channing speak, and he been in this situation smh

[@jacobdienes5862]

@@johnjohn0 in theory she was right, but realistically it can’t work the way she thinks. u just can’t flip all of cfb on it’s head like that

[@bassstudent4life]

When i went to Howard, I took organic chemistry, at another College in D.C, through a consortium. There were a female in our class, from hampton, just as loud as this woman. Funny thing is, her results on the tests were never as loud as she was before class.

[@LUX_8]

The MALES on this podcast tend to get LOUD and talk over each. Either way, it's called passion.

[@1032major]

Y’all did y’all thang with this podcast, this some dope ass content!

[@chronicles6065]

I see the comments and she is not an angry black woman she is just passionate about her people we have got to stop classifying black people under stereotypes. My only problem is the talking over one another and talking loud. Relax and listen to one another!! I see both sides Channing was coming from the standpoint of these kids not knowing the difference between the importance of going to HBCU'S vs A PWI. If a child comes from nothing with no access to money, mentors, knowledge then how can we expect them to make the right decision all these kids know is that this college is offering them a whole ton of money and some perks and because they come from nothing they are going to take it. Its like taking a homeless person and giving them an option between gold and a degree they do not understand the long term benefits or effects of either or the consequences in the long-temr thats how these colleges get these young people. Now her point of view is that people should be attending HBCU's because not only is it empowering to be with your community, but if more athletes start attending these colleges than that would provide the college with more adequate funding and they would be able to upgrade their facilites and offer students more, but I think what she fells to realize is that this only works if: 1) you have parents or mentors who have went to college and are able to tell you the benefits of both. If you don't know anyone who has went to college then how csn you expect an 18 year old to know. 2) You must have a full grasp on the concept of money because this will allow you to weigh your options and think about how things will not only pay off in the long run, but this type of knowledge would prevent athletes from falling into materialistic lavish lifestyle trap. 3) Many of these kids don't even know their own history so if they are not aware of where they come from then how can we expect them to attend an HBCU. People go to HBCU'S because they know their history and they love being in a space that encompasses and uplifts their own culture.

[@NicholasMSmiff]

Keep the content rolling. Easily my favorite podcast since I found it back in early spring

[@mikecross7019]

Top recruits go to whoever pay the most. So y’all want the top recruits to take a pay cut?

[@vejaynorwood3291]

College players don’t get payed where u get that from

[@WhyHighC]

Vejay Norwood he’s talking bout the Shmoney. Top recruits aren’t allowed to get caught getting paid... remember that.

[@nononono12345]

Mike Cross who does the paying? Nike Adidas Puma etc

[@cornellstephenson2946]

@@vejaynorwood3291 Sadly, some do receive illegal benefits which can bring down an athletic department. Ironically, I do believe that revenue producing athletes should be paid.

[@mikecross7019]

M O It’s nobody specifically If I said it’s just one group or person I’d be lying so just do yo research create your own list of who’s.

[@lenoydhampton4254]

She said "money follows talent", yes on the professional level. Prior to the professional level talent follows money because where the money is, the best development is.

[@johnknowssports5624]

Money 💰 follows Talent at the Collegiate level. Power 5 teams earn $50 to $100 Million each year from football

[@johnknowssports5624]

NCAA sports is a multi billion dollar Industry that makes Money 💴 because of the College Athletes

[@Aquafinachaser]

She's informed and uninformes at the same time.

[@nivlek07]

She is on point!!! Our best scholars and athletes have been used from DAY ONE!!!

[@sierraj881]

What I dislike about Ese’s point is how do you say earlier in the season that blackness isn’t monolithic but discredit or put an asterisk by the success of black people who don’t attend HBCU’s. Like that same logic should also apply to the black college experience. Some of the strongest and most politically outspoken black people I know are so well educated because they had an even higher standard to maintain just because they were black....

[@robertlester7994]

This ladies perspective is solid.. You guys are Kingz we're following your lead. If you're a balla theyll find you. #Weneedyall

[@1spiderrr]

Shes right and she's wrong. you cannot expect a 18 year old super athlete to go to a HBCU just because he or she is black.

[@inokerogoyawa]

Facts!! The mind of an 18 years old is a wild thing lol

[@Jonathan226.]

I would agree but there's a huge difference in a black 18 year old mind and a white 18 year old mind. We've been taught from an early age that life is going to be difficult and unfair just for being black. We've been racially profiled and seen numerous cops kill innocent black men and women. If a black 18 year old still doesn't understand the double standards and racism in America, then they never gave a crap about our community period. Also keep in mind, we did have a individual by the name of Trump in office.

[@1spiderrr]

@@Jonathan226. I agree. But to expect all 18 year old super athletes to recognize politics instead of being a kid is a high expectation. At 18 I didnt care anything about politics. It was about girls, my car, my outfit for Saturday night, and maybe some studying for class lol. Major salute to the kids that are political but to expect it from them no I can't do that.

[@ers18619g]

I graduated from an HBCU, she doesnt understand when it comes to sports its different. You have to go to big schools to get that exposure of playing on National TV, Hampton and other HBCU dont play on National TV every Saturday so no matter how good those HBCU players are, nobody outside of their school or area really knows how good they are !

[@haitian32able]

In my humble opinion, it hast to start with top Black athletes signing with HBCU schools. The money will come as the schools gain more noteriety. Deion becoming the head coach as Jackson State is the spark.

[@sportsguyq197]

the schools have the notoriety, they need financial investment from alumni and boosters/donors. I'll use the example of the University of Michigan basketball team. we all know the Fab 5, the cultural impact they had. Fast forward 20 years Michigan hoops in the dumps, top recruits aren't picking the school and they are struggling to win. Boosters invested in a practice facility (they were one of the few B1G schools that didn't have one) and it changed everything. They played better and better talent came. So having notoriety isn't always the cure, it's the facilities and results on the field that matter People are focused on football/basketball but what about the other sports where it's a more even playing field. We have to ask ourselves why the best black baseball/softball/track/tennis/soccer athletes aren't choosing HBCU? I've heard stories where the parents were begging the schools to take a meeting for their child that played soccer or ran track and they didn't. So people need to stop acting like it's all on the athlete, these schools need to adjust their mindset as well.

[@dariusmerkison2277]

He's thinking short-term. If black athletes start going to Black institutions that money will come in.. and it won't take long...

[@nhnj7543]

From where? I need y’all to think before you post

[@erinnarmstrong993]

I disagree, I think it would take long in football. Football is already a short term sport. Going to an HBCU could be the difference between 1st round and 3rd round which is millions of dollars. I think it would be easier to build programs like Basketball, Baseball, and Track first. I'd love our athletes going back to our schools in football but i just think it'd take alot of sacrifice because them folks not just gone let it be easy for us. College football is a billion dollar sport and at the end of the day, they not about to just give up that money... especially not to us.

[@dariusmerkison2277]

@@nhnj7543 look up athletic revenues for conferences . Google works for everyone

[@nhnj7543]

Darius Merkison naw you look that shit up. Because it’s you who don’t know how thing work. Why would I need to lookup conference revenue, I now what it is. Hbcu’s will never get that level because you spend too much time whining about the so called PWI’s when you don’t give back to your own school. And when your leadership goes to ask for money they ask for pennies. Support your own nobody’s sacrificing to come to that shit.

[@dariusmerkison2277]

@@nhnj7543 TV deals, sponsorships.. it's simple.... It's okay to leave the big house. You can build your own

[@SarcasticLee26]

I love there debates because it shows strong points from different points of views. Growth comes from learning from one another

[@crazyace88]

I just want to know if she realizes not only would this take years to manifest to work but kids would have to sacrifice millions of potential dollars to play for an HBCU all so that future athletes years down the line can reap the benefits smh

[@plug1connect]

That's the reason it will probably never work.We don't know how to sacrifice for the greater good anymore.These athletes are more worried about buying bullshit and making "the athlete's who went broke list" then building up HBCU'S.

[@crazyace88]

@@plug1connect I feel you but if you were in one of these athletes shoes would you "honestly" sacrifice generational wealth for your kids kids to build up an HBCU? If you would then more power to you but I can't blame anyone who choses not to. just saying.

[@JalenBellMusic]

EXACTLY!! Though I see where she coming from, she doesn’t realize this would take 20, maybe 30 years to manifest. 18 year old kids are not gonna give up going to Alabama just to say they went to an HBCU, no matter how noble. Especially when they don’t invest in athletics. Those guys are trying to capitalize on their abilities to make it to the next level. Jerry rice and guys like that are an anomaly.

[@recodavis7964]

My argument against this is that Black athletes have been playing integrated, big league American sports for awhile now. We have 1 or 2 billionaires, some centi-millionaires, and plenty of millionaires. Michael Jordan signed with Nike in 1984. He is now a billionaire mostly due to Nike. Kevin Plank founded Under Armour in 1996 and is now worth around the same thing as Mike. Why don’t we have Black athletes taking the capital they made and doing this?

[@zerofcksgiven8564]

The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

[@berryjewell3000]

Why do people over talk when they are loosing arguments

[@crazyace88]

She is clueless

[@mauricewilliams518]

Basketball is different tho if a 5 star recruit like mikey williams goes to an hbcu the media coverage would be insane

[@vejaynorwood3291]

She is right, black talents makes the college level for sports if that same talent went to HBCU they would have the love of self and the talent to make them better

[@mauricewilliams518]

In basketball talent and skill wins over everything no matter where you go if you're nice and can hoop you'll be found

[@TrevWILL79]

Basketball talent is way different than football talent. In Basketball, you get one player and it can change the trajectory of your team’s success! Football, you can have talent, but if you have bad coaching and a bad culture, it’s a setup for disaster!!

[@sourdeisel9341]

I’m here after watching Coach Prime at JSU win games. The lady sounds like a genius now

[@sourd5540]

facts the best podcast🙌✊

[@NazarethSavage84]

I like how she put b Marshall on the spot with the 50k. Didn’t he lose 70k in Vegas lol

[@tracyfrank3785]

I Love the conversation! I'm a 50+ female and not into sports of any type at all; but I caught a clip on Instagram and have been binge watching all your videos all weekend and sharing with my male family members and friends. I love the knowledge, experience and life lessons you guys are sharing with the world. Keep up the good work!

[@kebayjones837]

Its hard to go pro at a hbcu. It's even harder to choose Alabama over Howard university

[@dunk2lead]

It don't matter if you can play how do you think they found Walter Payton before any social media was ever thought of cell phones pages I can go on

[@deontecallaway4026]

@@dunk2lead But look how great he had to be. Backups at Power 5 get drafted. Power 5 schools have scouts at there schools every week not just games on campus in the meeting rooms. I’m all for it but there’s a lot of ground has to made up in facilities,coaching and relationships.

[@malcolmbot90]

The top athletes and top students in general should go to HBCU’s.

[@CarmenBelcher]

Malcolm Ireland absolutely!

[@14superdida]

Top students sure athletes dont think so

[@Umass200532]

Powerful convo. Black Self wealth only means you’re living in a community that doesn’t value and represent those that look like you. Every other community values group wealth over self wealth. However, I do see that’s changing among us. 🙌🏾

[@The_king567]

HBCUs shouldn’t even be around no more

[@cashondeliver]

Football is different but basketball if you are top pick you only on campus for like 6 months at most But football you there for couple years so I see what he saying

[@TheAtom365]

🤔I love how she doesn't let anyone talk without interrupting them....😒

[@sneakypete139]

Bruh the dudes are doing the same thing. They're talking over her and no one is saying anything about that.

[@mello9053]

She’s the worst

[@shootmovecommunicate3322]

Yupp. She's annoying.

[@KINGHARGRAVE]

Typical black women fr

[@shootmovecommunicate3322]

@@KINGHARGRAVE word

[@richardjones8725]

This Debate changed today, December 15, 2021 because Deion Primtime Sander recruited a #1. 5 star Player. And yes the team is winning. If you build it they will come.

[@brandonthompson6711]

You cant ask a generation to sacrifice their best opportunity for them and their families to benefit generations that they will nvr see it affect. Go to a small school put up numbers they knock the competition. Go to a large school put up numbers you get a deal asap. You have to even the playing field if u want to change minds to change lives.

[@Ontheshoulders1]

You expect white people to not take the top black talent? If there is no sacrifice their will be no progress.

[@702TifosiGambler]

you are dead wrong, if our ancestors before us never sacrificed their life during the years of slavery we'd never be where we are, if Harriet Tubman never went back for other slaves we'd never be where we are, if people like MLK, Malcolm X, Panthers, Marcus Garvey etc etc they knew they would never make it to 2020 but they stood up for what they believed in sacrifices themselves for generations after. You sound like ignorant and it's statements from ignorant people that usr the Internet to spread ignorant informations that has the culture going in circles, don't worry you aren't the only ignorant one from the culture who's misinformed, you can join Nick Cannon and Desean Jackson. Go to a small school and they knock the competition? oh like Ja Morant #2 overall pick? hmmm

[@brandonthompson6711]

Wow see how quick ppl are to bash u cannot compare slavery to free rides to college sorry. And before you start naming guys from lesser known college that made it so to speak you can't compare the few to the many. A guy makes it to college because he's good at a sport and family is in poverty. When he can change he and his family tomorrow or take the handicap and hope hes noticed ppl take the quick fix its like do you wanna be the test subject for covid-19 or wait till the vaccine comes out? To criticize someone thats making the best choice for themselves is selfish on your part ppl always want stars to to what sounds good 4 society until u get in their shoes you dont know what that decision feels like.