Should We Be Punching Nazis? - The GameOverGreggy Show Ep. 167 (Pt. 2)

[@MrFatLipx]

"This free speech thing...that's a problem" Nice Tim, nice.

[@andrewlavagnino5093]

"We might hurt feelings so let's curb free speech"

[@martinaee]

He didn't say it right, but what he's saying is that you can't throw out ANY speech, including hate speech. In civilized places like Germany you can't go around spouting white nationalist/supremacy shit. It's amazing that they are further advanced in that regard than we are considering the events leading into WW2.

[@oDTRT]

Tim is an idiot

[@UpstartGoblin]

You can and should be able to. You don't need to face legal repercussions for something as stupid as speech. We already have enough people in jail for stupid shit and I'll be damned if we add any more for hate speech. In a market of good ideas, the good ones rise to the top. It's quite regressive to limit the free speech of others and it makes sense why Germany is not okay with a small group of people having stupid/ignorant views because the last time that happened there millions of jews were killed and tortured.

[@MrFatLipx]

martinaee Jailing people for words isn't "further advanced", and the fact that you think so is terrifying.

[@jaredberry4762]

Pepe was falsely made to be a "symbol of racism" by the media. The fact that he is 'officially' a hate symbol is absolutely hilarious.

[@WillingSpade]

Jared Berry My thoughts exactly... #FreePepe!

[@WillingSpade]

Jared Berry and not just the media... Specifically HRC during her anti-Alt-right speech. The media just took the ball and ran with it...

[@askers_]

There is no excuse to use violence to squelch free speech. "This free speech thing.. thats a problem" - Tim 2017 10:20 There is no such thing as hate speech under the US legal system. "Hate speech" is covered under free speech. Look it up. If you want hate speech to be a thing, it's gotta have a legal ruling. Edit reason: add timestamp

[@richardcarson3596]

violence is not "acceptable" for speech. you libtards are retarded

[@jackroy9390]

no its pretty easy to draw the line at violence. What you just did was give a reason for more violence because you cant tolerate someone who has bad opinions.

[@richardcarson3596]

fake news

[@jackroy9390]

"He is saying unlimited tolerance can't happen. If you tolerate anything. you'll tolerate someone killing your people" i didnt tell you how you think i just responded to your comment. if you cant tolerate someones beliefs i just dont see any legal way you could stop them from speaking. Unless that person breaks a law of course.

[@askers_]

fourcrippledhorses lol wot?

[@johnlucas18]

I love how Colin will layout his topic, let the other guys discuss it and then hop in and drop his knowledge

[@andrewchalmers505]

I dislike it because he often surrounds his argument with a lot of irrelevant information and knowledge that isn't particularly pertaining to the core argument at hand. Sure it sounds impressive, but it's often misleading.

[@matpav1992]

It is all well and good to have Colin who knows what he is talking about, the problem is that he is with three others that have no idea, and have nothing to contribute to the conversation other than what they think Colin wants to hear or what they have read on their Twitter and Facebook feeds.

[@Dreggy990]

John Lucas that's the right vs left aka knowledge vs. feelings

[@matpav1992]

Dreggy, it would be libertarian vs. authoritarian that would be classed as knowledge vs. feelings. The "alt right" for example are the right wing SJWs, everything is identity, emotions and feelings.

[@ademolathompson140]

Add any liberal to the conversation with a basic understanding of politics and Colin will get destroyed... Aisha Tyler wrecked him on GoG

[@andrewlavagnino5093]

Tim will probably think it's okay to punch him. Just a guess

[@Harry-bu1km]

You're guess was wrong, just like your life is a blessing and everyday you get to wake up in the morning is a day to give thanks. Thank you.

[@andrewlavagnino5093]

+Harry cute

[@Harry-bu1km]

Take me out on a date why don't you? (✿◠‿◠)

[@andrewlavagnino5093]

+Harry I'm going to wine and dine the living hell out of you. Be ready babe

[@Harry-bu1km]

You're beautiful... you're beautiful it's true.

[@KBABZ]

~a year or two later~ Nick: "Have we done a topic on punching Nazis?" Tim: "Yes, yes we have"

[@jacksii5531]

why would you wanna punch Kevins Grandfather??????

[@Kongaii]

HEY EVERYBODY LETS PICK ONE THING TIM SAID WHILST DISCUSSING AND MAKE IT SEEM LIKE HE COMPLETELY WANTS TO END FREE SPEACH!!!

[@AREAlhero]

You are taking what he said as literal without knowledge of his intent. When he says "Free speech thing is a problem" what he is actually referring to is "the notion that someone can give hateful speech calling for atrocities, and still be defended just by shouting free speech, is the problem" and if you fail to understand that, you clearly either didn't watch this video or just have an inability to think critically.

[@the_grimby1722]

Actually that is not the direct quote. It's really not that hard to look it up either since it's been linked to in the video and you're responding to a particular video.

[@RGR0000]

James R you are one extremist dud, ain't ya?

[@Wolfstorm701]

When the term 'Nazi' is being used to describe people you disagree with... no. You should not. You shouldn't assault people you disagree with - end of.

[@dougbrady5807]

I bet Tim has a ridiculous regressive left view of this whole thing. ::hits play:: YEP.

[@JamesGedda]

Clearly the solution is to just sit down and talk with this man that advocates ethnic cleansing. Give me a break. Talking with people like that about their views is inherently conceding legitimacy to their views and saying they're acceptable views to have. Even if you don't advocate unprovoked violence against these people, to sit there and say the solution is dialogue is either foolishly optimistic or flat out ignorant.

[@LawrenceGill27]

Jim Gedda Right. Because Richard Spencer is on the cusp of starting a full blown ethnic cleansing? We are NOWHERE near what Germany was like before the Holocaust, not even close, if we were this wouldn't be an issue like it is. If you want to attack people you don't agree with, go ahead, but I promise it will make you look worse. It is FAR more ASTRONOMICALLY more effective to intellectually dismantle bigotry, than to physically shut it down, do you know who needs to shut down speech? Obviously people who are wrong, so if that's what you want the world to think then go ahead.

[@DarkMask]

There's truth to that. A civil debate with people that hold such regressive, backwards views so deeply ingrained would likely lead to nothing more than "I'm right, you're wrong" back and forth forever since it's about morals and not logic. Even though it's next to, if not impossible to come to an understanding through a peaceful exchange of ideas, the fact that the instant alternative seems to be violent attacks and aggression means that we're meeting regressive ideas with regressive actions. Regression + Regression = No progression at all. It's my personal belief that those who believe in something contrary to the morals that I believe and stand by, are perfectly allowed to have and share those beliefs. I take a "he who casts the first stone" approach in the sense that, anyone can go ahead and talk all they want, but the moment a hateful, racist, sexist asshole puts his or her hands on me or the people of different ethnic groups, I react in whatever way necessary to protect them. All these people with asinine views can spit their hate all they want, because I truly don't believe that enough people really believe in that crap to actually make any sort of "ethnic cleansing" actually happen. And if they try, they will fail, because the vast majority of people in the world do not believe that a person is a harmful, worthless waste of space if they're not white. TL;DR: We can't meet regressive ideas with intelligence or with violence, so we must simply let these backwards people talk their asses off to each other til they realize they can't actually have what they want and give up. But only when they start trying to meet their own ends with violence will it be acceptable to do the same, not in aggression towards them, but in defense of those they seek to harm.

[@phillipcorrea240]

To be fair the last election showed us you can't actually win over people with facts. People are just getting more and more scared of immigrants, poor people, and Americans of color. They just lock into their emotion based positions, and go further to their extremes.

[@DarkMask]

tomxxi Really great points there. When it comes down to it, the backwards thinking minority will just dig themselves a huge hole that they'll eventually be too deep in for anyone to hear or care about the unfounded hatred they harbor for people they simply don't care to actually get to know.

[@patrickj5728]

Jim Gedda Fucking thank you.

[@andrewchalmers505]

Thank you Tim for speaking with a open mind. It saddens me to see the Kinda Funny comments section so hive minded on these kinds of topics. From the perspective of a minority, hate speech can be extremely threatening. Sure it's easy to say from the point of view of 4 white men sitting in a cozy room that we should only practice speech and not resort to violence, but to minorities, hate speech can lead to mass violence. Just look at Rwanda as an example (not the perfect example, but has elements of this idea). I personally argue that it's okay to use violence if it''s in self defense. And don't underestimate what hate speech can lead to. This is a sound argument to make. I might not 100% agree with it, but I totally get it, and I'm so glad Tim made this argument. Yet it's disappointing to see so many people in the Kinda Funny community not even give this argument a second thought. They completely shit over Tim's perspective and resort to comments like "oh Tim's so irrational and emotional". Tim's making excellent points here, and I urge you to carefully listen to Tim's point and try to understand it instead of writing him off just because he's not as eloquent as Colin (who by the way often rambles and strays off topic, making him seem smarter, but his point isn't as robust as it appears to be. Just to be clear, Colin also makes some good points, but I feel like a lot of the community are just mesmerized by the way he says things, and not necessarily by what he is saying.). In the video, we saw a wide spectrum of good arguments made by all 4 of the guys. But don't shit on Tim, because he may have made the most insightful argument of the lot. Props to you, Tim.

[@ademolathompson140]

Exactly. I've tried to be calm, I've tried to be rational with people that hate me because I'm black. It doesn't work at all.

[@fifa12co1ngenerator]

Andrew Chalmers I really agree with you in this, hate speech should not be allowed for the perks of free speech, hate speech is very dangerous

[@andrewlavagnino5093]

"His speech indicted him to violence" Tim Gettys 2017

[@danielarshad5423]

"Nazi scum should have the same rights as sane human beings" Andrew Lavagnino 2017

[@bystanderprod]

I truly enjoy listening to Colin speak.

[@SuperBearPoo]

6:40 "only the weak succumb to brutality" What about people standing up to bullies? 7:18 Where are you getting this shit, Greg? and what exactly are you referring to? Let's keep in mind that some groups of people are so stupid that talking to them will never change anything (they often don't want to hear any ideas that differ from their own anyway) except maybe stopping other idiots from adopting the mentality of those idiotic groups of people.

[@bazookaxp3025]

Tim in my opinion deserves every single bit of criticism in these KZbin comments. Unlike Tim I would ask no matter what Tim might say no one should punch him in the face over his beliefs. That just because a nonviolent solution might take more time to win people over does not negate the fact it is the correct path to take in our society. Violence will never be the solution to alternative ideas no matter where they sit on the political spectrum. We must protect free speech at all costs. I feel you are in an echo chamber Tim. You only value your own way of thought and do not see the value of other people's idea as they infringe on your own. For this I pity you as you will never experience growth as a person. I hope that you will take from Colin's example and start reading news from sources that go against your own beliefs to challenge yourself into growing as a person. You probably will never read this message but I hope that you and people like you can someday come to the agreement that speaking out against violence in not weakness.

[@Cinnamon1080]

Dustin Sipes Can we knock off the "echo chamber" statements as a critique? Almost everyone is in an "echo chamber." It's such a weak statement. That says very little.

[@bazookaxp3025]

No because it is a valid criticism. I listen to people with different points of view all of the time to understand and challenge my own. The belief that the freedom of speech should be reduced is so horrific of an idea to me I will come out against anyone that bring it up. No matter the topic. Everything must be open to critique.

[@Not_Liquid]

As always, Colin steals the show. I could listen to this man talk for hours.

[@MattYansmuck]

Absolutely not. Can't believe that adults need to have this told to them. You don't get to assault people for their views, no matter how awful.

[@jessesmith4520]

I fundamentally disagree with Tim. Hate speech is free speech, and you defeat hate speech with better ideas. The moment you say it's okay to be physically violent with someone you think has bad ideas, you've lost the moral high ground.

[@jessesmith4520]

I still love Tim, I just respectfully disagree

[@stevebruh5019]

Jesse Smith and intellectual high ground as well. Still love him.

[@Edellus]

In limiting free speech, I think the line is clearly drawn when literally inciting violence; as in "lets beat that guy up". Nothing else passes for me. "That guy says stuff that is making me violent; therefore he is inciting violence" doesn't make sense.

[@shadowjago1015]

I didn't think the topics on this shitty channel could get worse. I was wrong.

[@MrHardy457]

Sooo why are you here?

[@louisnorton820]

This is an interesting topic

[@thealessi]

How is this a bad topic?

[@BoltCRNA]

Great topic guys. It was good to see all your different perspectives on the matter.

[@kmisialek3]

Is Tim actually arguing against free speech? wtf

[@bixhutch6274]

You guys also failed to mention that Trump incited violence multiple times on protesters which is something that certainly should have been mentioned in this conversation. P.S. This comment section goes to show that even "the best friends" have been infiltrated by the people we all wanted to keep out of our circle. Tim isn't and idiot because you disagree with him and Colin isn't piece of shit because you disagree with him. This was a group of men having the exact type of conversation this country could benefit from in a perfectly reasonable manner. Im a Bernie supporter and I think Colin is fucking awesome. You guys being ass holes in here should do us all a favor and let the real best friends remain in our bubble in peace.

[@trounbyfire]

bix hutch oh no cant remind them of that. i do find it funny when colin is so hard on the nazi guy getting punched over them....starting to think he has alt views secretly

[@bixhutch6274]

Colin is no doubt biased because the now president clearly incited violence on free speech and I don't remember him being this charged on Trump (I could be wrong, but I really don't recall him being this stuck on it) but I don't believe Colin has alt right views at all. To be honest, Colin is a full fledged liberal socially. He's conservative economically. They really dropped the ball by not mentioning the Trump portion of this conversation though.

[@trounbyfire]

bix hutch just seems to brush off some crazy shit thats happening...alex jones( 4th dimensional beings) is advising trump pretty much saying he can tell trump what to do...and come on other guy he said he doesnt know if he is racist because of so much "Fake news" he even says the guy has anti jew views but cant believe he is racist because of fake news...he doesnt know what to believe??

[@SuperBearPoo]

Tim isn't an idiot just because I disagree with him... but that doesn't mean he's not an idiot. If you really don't think Tim is stupid then I don't know what to tell you.

[@andrewlavagnino5093]

Richard Spencer isn't a nazi. If you think it's okay to sucker punch people on the steeet for their views then you're a bad person. The SPLC also labeled ex Muslims bad people and they are not legit. Spencer cares about keeping western culture alive and well and that he cares about white people. Muhammad Ali was also for an ethnocentric state and so was Malcom X Pepe is funny as hell

[@themajesticspider-man6116]

Andrew Lavagnino The guy wouldn't denounce Hitler when confronted. That pretty much says it all, honestly. Lol

[@alexwillsleep9154]

21st Century Trolls Are Amateurs even if his views are repugnant silencing political views with violence is terrorism

[@sonygod5418]

oh god i am so sick of people thinking just cus you did something out of anger they lable you asa racist or a nazi omfg yeah i dont like muslims or femenist or socual justice warrior and want to punch them so hard they cant walk again does not make me a racist or sexist cus alot of them are idiots.

[@andrewlavagnino5093]

+Corey Adolfi let me ask Muslims how they feel about Jews. You have a lot of punching to do

[@andrewlavagnino5093]

+Corey Adolfi Spencer isn't as well

[@OtakuMainer]

The problem here is, none of the other 3 besides Colin can argue on his level. So, you have on substantially informed man, talking to 3 others who have a very basic "on the surface" and media influenced opinions. One has done research and keeps up with current events, the others get all their information from social and other forms of media... If they want to have political conversations in the future, either they need to bring on a guest who an have these conversations on the same level as Colin OR the other three need to take some time and do a little research. I only say this because, listening to this segment, sounds like a teacher talking to students...

[@playerone6995]

That's the problem. Very few people do research. Most people inform themselves by watching the news or getting it on social media.

[@Nicolas-Kage]

Debate! Tim, you debate to achieve good ideas winning over bad ones.

[@TheCamcamTV]

Captain America does it

[@LinkHimora]

like Colin said your not Cap and Cap was apart of the war effort you aren't

[@EternalLoss6]

Cameren Ceniceros Also, Captain America isn't real.

[@TheCamcamTV]

Kael Hyun I must have not realized that, whoops my bad

[@TheCamcamTV]

Raging Light damn thanks for clearing that up, that was my mistake

[@Microfoot]

I got into an argument with someone who told me that Richard Spencer needs to fear for his life, they thought that should be the end goal of punching him on sight.

[@MassiveScore]

The protest against Milo speaking was peaceful. Well into the protest a small group of people showed up and started wrecking shit. Police on scene as well as reporters there said the same thing, that most people were peacefully protesting. You wouldn't know that from the way Colin talks about it. He acts like a bunch of democrats showed up to cause a riot. Then he uses that to say that the left is being more fascist than the right, which is a silly thing to say when you have a President that has silenced and cut off media organizations for doing any reporting that is remotely negative of him. When you have advisers to the President say on air say that Trump's power "will not be questioned" and that anyone reporting negatively of the President should resign or be fired, I think the right is clearly being more fascist. When you have an adviser say that the judicial system is not supreme and have a President saying that the judicial system ruling against him isn't putting America's interests first, I think the right is clearly being more fascist. That said, no one should be using the term fascist at all and the hyperbole is out of control. Calling either side fascist is nothing more than name-calling and accomplishes nothing.

[@MrFatLipx]

The left constantly tries to shut down free speech, like trying to block conservative speakers from giving presentations at colleges. So I don't know what you're talking about. Neither side is even close to "fascist", but there's no doubt that one side has slipped a bit closer than we would like. And that's the hard left.

[@MassiveScore]

You either didn't read what I wrote or completely ignored everything I said.

[@phantomwriter05]

Actually first hand accounts from people said that the protesters turned violent before several hundred Anafita people showed up. That "non-violent' protesters then decided to join in and attacked people and buildings. So no, it was never peaceful when they all began joining in the violence. Actually, you need to read first hand accounts from people that were actually there covering the event, not try to justify violence, by stripping facts you don't agree with out of the equation in order to paint a smaller picture of a much larger issue.

[@MassiveScore]

I've read first hand accounts. The protest was peaceful. A few dozen people dressed in all black came and started wrecking shit. The event was canceled. Police told everyone to disperse. People in black ramped things up while peaceful people mostly left, some stayed. Also, not once did I try to justify the violence. Nice try putting words in my mouth though.

[@lukepyburn]

There are literally videos of the entire crowd shouting "shut it down". Not the antifa rioters, the protestors. And once it was shut down, they threw a party. They weren't just there to show disapproval, they wanted to stop him from speaking. How is that okay?

[@markwulf]

"He punched him to shut him up" Tim, he was talking about a fucking cartoon frog.

[@xakariah7469]

I loved this discussion. The scariest thing about this question & the people saying that assault in response to ideas is okay, is that anyone who disagrees with the Left is labelled a Nazi nowadays. I'm no fan of Richard Spencer, but he is a white-nationalist, not a Nazi, there is a difference. Also, Spencer doesn't advocate for violence, he talks about restricting immigration and even deportation because he thinks white people are better, he isn't some violent Nazi, though he does hold terrible ideas. I don't have a racist bone in my body, but I've been called a Nazi or white-supremacist for being a fan of Milo Yiannopoulos & for expressing my opinions on different social & political topics. I had to make my Twitter account anonymous because every now & again I get hit by such an intense bit of slander from someone that if it got back to my boss it could ruin my life. If you say it's okay to punch Nazis, especially when people are getting unjustly labelled as Nazis a lot nowadays, that sets a terrifying precedent that will lead to more terrible things. As we've seen throughout history, once free speech crumbles, so goes everything else.

[@thosewhoslaytogetherstayto3412]

"Guy punched him to shut him up" Tim. that contradicts your point. He didn't incite violence against immigrants or non whites. He was attacked by someone who was attempting to shut down his right to free speech. and if there is hate speech, we have police officers for that. We can show them a recording and hell get charged. it's never ok to attack someone for an unpopular opinion.

[@135homeboy]

violence is never justified unless in self defense. A coward wins his battles with violence, a man wins his with words.

[@HopeIsFleeting]

'Should We Be Punching Nazis?' Yes.. Next question?

[@btyler423]

Joey Gee no

[@HopeIsFleeting]

I'll be at the bottom of your nearest bridge. If you jump off i'll catch you x

[@HopeIsFleeting]

Best thing about Nazis these days is they don't even try to hide there Naziism! Makes it so much easier :D

[@HopeIsFleeting]

Do what you like bro, I'm waiting... I'm a Libertarian Socialist by the way, not a fascist..

[@HopeIsFleeting]

How am I a Nazi?

[@jae200ful]

My girlfriend is Mexican and she was intimidated at the polls by people screaming at her and yelling 'Check their iDs', but thanks Colin for talking out of your ass and saying that it doesn't happen because you didn't hear of it. Really losing interest in this show. He lets everyone else talk then jumps on his soapbox and thinks he knows everything

[@boomjch]

Love you guys but the "let's have a reasoned debate with white supremacists" is the most laughable stance I have ever heard.

[@HornoftheMark]

Nah, the far left shits all over cops and gun owners and now wants to start a war with them. Now that's funny.

[@ERoBB1]

Exactly. Saying that a guy who favors ethnic cleansing simply has "different political ideas" frames ethnic cleansing as a legitimate political stance worthy of a spirited conversation. Fuck outta here with that. Call yourself the master race on a street corner, you risk a punch. The punch is a crime, and the puncher is a criminal, but I won't for one second feel bad about the cause and effect at play.

[@tomcurtis9856]

John Hartford for

[@Clukos]

I'm sure the Nazis thought the same about their political opponents back in the 1920s and we all know where that got them. Like Colin said, people like Spencer sound like fucking nut jobs, punching them in the face only strengthens their cause, which is probably the opposite of what you'd want. Acting like the thought police and thinking that you have the right to decide what's good or bad for other people (with equal rights by the way, because hey! Equality!) to think got the US where you are today. Let these nut jobs talk, because they have the right to do that, and let other people decide what is good or bad for them, because they also have the right to do that.

[@LawrenceGill27]

I love Colin, he's honestly my favorite, but this has become so trite and nonsensical that it's bordering on cringy. These used to be my favorite types of topics, Colin would make his case, Greg would be of a similar mindset, Nick would be the moderate actual adult, Tim would learn something and also contribute something new, and that would be it, but that's no longer the case, we've become so oversaturated with this that it's losing meaning. I DON'T want to take away from the importance of it all, and Im not saying that the previous topics wernt worthy of being topics, BUT, at this point it's got to stop, I like it on the morning show, but when it's time to go around the table with four sometimes five best friends, I know there must be something better to talk about.

[@browsertab]

"Don't engage with trolls... only reward people who are being good to us." ^ This doesn't work. First of all, you're lumping anyone who 'isn't being good to you' as trolls and ignoring them. Ignoring people escalates. Ignoring people leads to Trump. You need to acknowledge people's dissent head on and let logic and reason win. Spencer can't be ignored but he can be debunked.

[@leggbenedict7010]

thejobloshow actually acknowledging trump led to trump.

[@browsertab]

Which is the same thing as saying Trump led to Trump. After all, he knew how to attract attention and sustain it. He also knew how to capitalise on things the press didn't want to talk about.

[@damnyousalazar]

I appreciate that Nick is participating in this conversation while wearing a Death Eater tee shirt.

[@Baytuh]

I just listen to what Tim said about free speech and he has a great point, I have no idea why people in the comments are giving him shit. #LetTimHost #LetBaytuhOn

[@linkenski]

My tongue can't even roll as fast as Colin pronounces syllables

[@RicoSeattle]

Does Colin, Greg and Tim know that Jason Schreier and a couple others from Kotaku thought it was okay to assault this horrible guy, Richard Spencer?

[@MrHellawicked]

Really like this channel and the discussions. Unfortunately the comment sections make the community seem like trash though.

[@degrassihoe5693]

The comment section on Kinda Funny videos has become unbearable. Y'all sit here hiding behind computers hating on literally every single thing Tim says and then get mad when people call you out. It's okay to have differing opinions! That's what this show has always been about and if you're going to demonize every thing that comes out of Tim's mouth, you clearly don't know what being a "best friend" means.

[@Nicolas-Kage]

Greg is a very honest and intelligent speaker.

[@SonyHawkman]

Colin is my hero.

[@invictuspublishinghouse]

Would you guys be willing to have Greg Johnson from Counter Currents on as a guest? He's a very open, amiable, and intelligent man who could help you and your audience to better understand the "Alt" Right. Just a thought.

[@Nicolas-Kage]

What the fuck is Tim talking about half the time here?

[@Nicolas-Kage]

Verbal diarrhea. I can't stand this guy

[@durodesduvo8424]

Wow, Tim is a true leftist, I'm kinda amazed by his consistency.

[@cash2200]

Colin's high horse grows ever taller. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of repercussions. Hate breeds hate and vitriolic reaction is only human nature. Try going to Compton using that "free speech" of yours and those kind of ideas, see what happens. But of course it's because they're animals right? Look this guy didn't deserve to get punched in the face, but if you're offending a group of people, especially in the environment we have now hard to see he did NAZI that coming. Plus goddamn if Colin mentions Berkeley one more fucking time. I'm an alumni and it wasn't the fucking students causing the riots, it was a bunch of people that wanted to fucking riot outside the campus. If a guy like that comes to your campus/town/city you damn well have the right to invoke your freedom of speech and protest him being there. Colin's right wing bias are all over these fucking videos and it's annoying. Tim just doesn't have the knowledge or eloquence to say what he wants to say, but I"m right there with him. Plus it's ironic Colin takes on this fucking arrogant tone when talking about people who "don't know what they're talking about" then says we all need to talk to one another..............sure. Sorry bud I didn't take a useless major like history in college that requires no provocative thought, but parroting literature back all of a sudden makes you intelligent.

[@MassiveScore]

Kind of a boring issue to bring up, but has anyone noticed Kinda Funny videos are louder than other videos on KZbin? I have my volume set where everything I watch has a good volume to it, then when I come here I have to turn it from 90% to 10% so they aren't shouting into my ear.

[@Harry-bu1km]

What makes it boring? I think it's a pretty important discussion, one that psychicpebbles recently had in his podcast with guest JonTron.

[@MassiveScore]

They discussed the volume of KZbin videos?

[@Harry-bu1km]

Yes, look up psychicpebbles he's an animator and has been doing voice acting for years and works in sound. He has a new podcast called Schmuks, during his episode with JonTron he complained about annoying fluctuations of volume from video to video. He talked about sound design and equalization and how important it can be for the success of podcasts.

[@Harry-bu1km]

Hm, no reply? I bet you thought I was referring to something else and not actually the volume issue you brought up. Therefore you thought I was being stupid when you asked "They discussed the volume of KZbin videos?" Haha, irony.

[@thepaulmorse]

I hope Tim doesn't get butt hurt over these comments. Cuz I don't want Colin to feel stilted or influenced to not bring these topics up. Maybe a new show called, "Tim goes to Capitol Hill" where Colin is dressed like a bill and teaches Tim how the government works.

[@Freeonyx]

It's pretty simple, I don't condone violence. I feel like it doesn't solve anything, and you can actually beat people even worse with words and a battle of wits. BUT, did I enjoy watching Richard Spencer get punched in the face? YES I FUCKING DID. Did I watch the video like 10 times and laugh? Yes I did. But don't hit people.

[@JustinDwaine]

I think we have to just come to terms that some situations like this are just a byproduct of freedom. Freedom is chaotic, it isn't orderly, it's not supposed to be.

[@dobbo010]

"They can go fight each other on the street" - Fuck I love you, Happy Valentines.

[@platanopapi]

The problem with "ignoring" this sort of speech is that it gives them room to accomplish their goals. People get used to hearing and become apathetic (see the common population of Nazi Germany) or people start to believe it as well (see literally every culture that has hallmarks of blanket hate against another culture/identity). Not engaging hate speech is to condone it with your silence. And let's be clear, Greg, by only acknowledging the stuff you want to reward, you are ignoring the rest. Ignoring it is a problem.

[@MeditativeHandle]

thank you nick scarpino.when someone looks at you, your wife and kids and talks about peaceful ethnic cleansing, the idea of conversation is over.

[@Tsweezey90]

figuring out how to deal with unreasonable people is so hard because they don't respond to reason

[@ryanberry5594]

While I understand the motivation, punching them only gives them validation and makes them out to be the victim.

[@invictuspublishinghouse]

Richard Spencer is not a piece of garbage and I think it would surprise you just how many people within your audience are fans of his. While you may vehemently disagree with his politics, I feel that a conversation with the man (face to face if possible) would alter your perception considerably. A "Neo-Nazi" he is not.

[@durodesduvo8424]

If there is speech that you don't like- the answer is MORE SPEECH, don't resort to fascistic methods. Like violence.

[@luciddre4m]

Violence is never the answer. Violence begets violence, and leads to escalation.

[@Tsweezey90]

ignoring the westboro Baptist Church is easy enough to do when it's not your son's funeral that they're disturbing.

[@John-ts3rt]

There is no need to focus on one thing that Tim said when the whole conversation itself is much more important. Try to stay positive while making constructive criticism. 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀

[@thecoolquis1997]

It's so easy for four white dudes to sit up here and tout this sort of insulting approach to an issue that minorities actually have to deal with.

[@tylerroach928]

You can't reason with people like that but you shouldn't punch them either the best thing to do is to ignore them and don't give them a spotlight, the news networks shouldn't even be interviewing him

[@jackapplebaum5678]

Yes, next topic.

[@MegaPringles101]

Violence is never justified I believe, violence in self-defense is defendable, but when someone commits violence or agression as an act to silence that individual or group (no matter how unsavory thier opinions or ideas) you completely lose the argument and or sympathy to talk about moral rights and wrongs (ethical stand points and alike). In its totality, it is just against a sane reasonable society that accepts the freedoms of speech, and it devalues the ability to make logical arguments against something that simply could not stand on its merit alone. Nazism should be simple to be against is a flawed and failed ideology that has brought horrors to human-beings, yet punching and beating people who believe in these ideas does not make you better nor does is garner support for the thing you are against.

[@mattrobson7]

I would have had some sort of respect for the guy doing the punching had he not been masked, had it not been a sucker punch and had he not ran away

[@XxAPartofMexX]

It was a riot, and the person would've most likely been hunted down by the state and arrested. There are many antifa disruptions where they do stay around and do serious damage to the nazi groups, but this one punch and run was so famous because this richard spencer character was on camera and he's been in the media lately. These punch an runs aren't the only thing antifa does. This is just an example of the good they can do that went viral.

[@lukospicturehouse]

I think this every week, but I feel like this show would be so much more interesting if they had a left leaning person who actually respond to these questions like Colin can. Reddit/huffpost dems going against an educatated rep who can actually cite sources and explain their perspective makes every discussion end the same.

[@joerosas8938]

Luko's Picture House Colin would never allow that. He likes his high horse and superiority over the others too much to have an intelligent guest challenge him.

[@thosewhoslaytogetherstayto3412]

Inciting violence doesnt mean pissing people off who disagree with you Tim. It means convincing people to commit violence against another group. Its not his fault* a protestor decided to sucker punch him

[@ollie511]

13:44 "The punch heard around the world!"

[@brannonh7406]

Didn't Trump tell his supporters to punch protesters at his rallies?

[@trounbyfire]

Brannon H you can't mention that..

[@brannonh7406]

***** you right, my apologies

[@xGhostface420x]

"Hate speech" is meant to be protected by our Constitution. It is up to no one to decide what words can and cannot be used in this country and how anyone should interoperate those words.

[@DogandWolfGaming]

If your perspective is the superior one then prove it with your words. The moment you use force against the opposition you invalidate yourself and your beliefs.

[@kylesherwood4694]

Referring to Nazis as "political opponents" is quite a generalization. I think there's a happy medium in saying the puncher deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law and also I don't feel bad for Nazis when they get punched.

[@colinalexanderd]

I like these kinds of conversations. The type of political discourse that needs to happen at a larger scale. It's such a complicated issue beyond my personal echo chamber of social media algorithms peppered with thinkpieces and meme-ified gifs about how funny it is to punch Nazis or how we should. I lean very left in terms of my views but it's important to welcome this kind of discussion that removes the fundamentalism from all sides.

[@mileswilliams4807]

Great topic guys.

[@roaches23]

its not that complicated Colin. talk shit, get hit. its the law of man

[@patrickj5728]

About as sanctimonious as you can get, this topic. Sometimes you have to kick a little ass to get some respect, to let people know their poisonous rhetoric is just that. Compare and contrast your views on this topic with the death penalty, Greg. Holla.

[@justintlme1629]

I wouldn't really call it a free and fair election. Russia was certainly involved as we keep learning more, and many communities had their votes suppressed.

[@poguer6872]

20:35 for Colin

[@danzwku]

I feel like roaming millennial would disagree with Colin abt Richard spencer about having deplorable ideas or being deplorable

[@Co-Op64Connor]

KINDA!

[@MysticBazooka]

Love Ya Tim and I'm Center-Left myself, but I think you have been drinking too much of the Liberal Twitter Kool-Aid.

[@joshalexander319]

I'm not sure how to feel about Tim. After listening to every topic and all of the Kinda Funny shows I feel like Tim just doesn't express himself well. I certainly don't agree with most of his views and things that he has said have rubbed me the wrong way. After the election topics and this topic today I've decided that I just have to take all of Tim's comments with some salt. I don't think he's fully prepared to speak on some of these topics and it shows. He doesn't deserve all the hate he's getting though.

[@ShadowsHeat]

How about don't assault people or use physical violence, that seems like a pretty straightforward rule.

[@MeItsLiterallyMe]

I don't see a moral issue with punching him for the things he says. legally though, that's a different story. However, I would never stand for the government silencing him. The first amendment keeps the government from silencing words and ideas. It does not guarantee that you will not get clocked for being a total hunk of crap though.

[@TheHOOfan1]

I think a lot of people deserve to be punched, including this guy, but it is assault. People can't go off slugging people that make them mad. That just promotes lawlessness.

[@TheHOOfan1]

Now if you see him out there harming someone in the street, I say go ahead and wail on the guy.

[@rod5474]

he has freedom of speech but it does include fighting words * harsh words that would incite somebody to fight him which is not protected by the 1st amendment. Besides you can say what you want but it doesn't mean people have to accept it or won't fight you for it. Happens all the time. Fights happen over people discussing sports or even more stupid stuff..we aren't having 1st amendment discussion about that. Most people here are white and defending it didn't say this when the old guy punched black guy at the trump rally. The common denominator is that they defend the white guy.

[@zrox345]

I think what Tim was trying to get at is how do you stop these things once they gain traction, momentum and oppressive stuff actually starts happening in the government and so on. I think that's exactly the reason why its so important to stay politically active to keep powers like that out. Another thing that helps is picking and choosing your battles, something Colin has said many times on this show is (something close to) "You can't just call everyone you disagree with sexist, and racist if they don't inhibit those traits, because when someone who actually inhibits those traits comes along your words have lost their weight". I don't think its alright for people in the comments to call Tim retarded, stupid or whatever else because I believe he means many great things but can't articulate them well because he is in a new environment. Politics is still a very new thing for Tim but I think he has made a lot of great progress in learning how it goes and I definitely think he has grown over the course of time. We were all in the same place as Tim at one point, I think its wise to be respectful because I think people are missing the underlying messages he has that are great messages overall. I hope Tim sees this in the sea of bullshit in the comments, I appreciate your input Tim, it rounds out the table very well, keep engaging, keep learning!

[@zrox345]

Vimal Joseph Nick is actually on Gamescast this week. Yes people help fund this show, but it's a show about their thoughts on what's happening and they make it clear they aren't experts. People can react with their wallets accordingly.

[@DanLuxe]

I love you Colin.

[@mordredeschain19]

I think this is a problem because we are very young. Not as a society, but we have lived for very little time in a age where information is EVERYWHERE. So now everybody knows that there is a man like that. A neo-nazi. It's a lot easier to find people that have very different views from ours. And as we are learning how to deal with the many many different opinions, our immediate reaction is resorting to violence. I think that is "part of the process". But as we grow this moment will pass and we will learn how to talk to each other. It will come.

[@Blacktolite]

Funny you didn't say nothing when black people were getting punched in Trumps rallies literally punching them and Trump shouting "GET EM OUTTA HERE"

[@EternalLoss6]

I'm getting tired of saying Colin is right but he keeps saying things that are correct.

[@CitizenEldar]

Colin is right on this one. But, educated and level-headed people where the ones who had to emigrate from the nazi Germany and Soviet Union. When your opponents are fanatics, there's no way to have a normal dialogue.

[@sideshowRaheem]

The idea that we are all entitled to an opinion and people should never resort to violence is great in the abstract but we seem to only use it when we talk about people expressing political views. For example if your wife or girlfriend was being hit on by a drunk at a bar and when she rejected him he called her a whore I doubt most people's natural response would be "Well, he has a right to his opinion". I'm not saying the person who punched Richard Spencer should be free of the consequences of the law if caught but lets not pretend it doesn't feel good to watch a person who believes in ethnic cleansing get punched in the face.

[@Bobo_Tapia]

We can't rise above them if we sink to their level.

[@angelo52346]

Yes.