Should YOU Buy A Kings LITHIUM Battery? An Auto Electrician's Advice

Should YOU Buy A Kings LITHIUM Battery? An Auto Electrician's Advice
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[@andrewt3952]

Gday mate. Good info. I’ve got 3 kings 120s in parallel running my whole house. 18 months no problem👍🇦🇺🎯🍻

[@LockyourHubs4WDing]

Nice video! I've subbed, you'll soon be at 1K. The BMS in the 120Ah Kings Blue Top I tested had a functioning overheat protection, though I couldn't get the cold protection working to stop me charging, even at -20c. For the money, they are a pretty decent option.

[@MulletOnTour]

Thanks mate! They are decent to be honest

[@brunocarcuro7881]

I have run my 120ah Kings for nearly a year no problems and have just bought my second on to add to my system for the extra power for camping, work and band gigs when we cannot access power. Keep up the good work

[@MulletOnTour]

Good stuff mate!

[@MrGazzaj]

Appreciate this video. Very informative. Also, I subscribed ASAP!

[@MulletOnTour]

Appreciate it legend!

[@sky73x]

A "cheap" Kings lithium will still be strides in-front of any "quality" Lead Acid/AGM in performance for those that are budget conscious. They have come along way since their early days as other budget range brands have also. Usually it's those that are told they can use Lithium as a drop in replacement tend to run into problems. Or they are not suitably fused where it's needed in their setup to protect the battery as much as what the battery is running. Do your due diligence on all the gear you run and ensure your charging solutions will work regardless if someone said it would.

[@MulletOnTour]

You’re spot on mate, very well put! 9 times out of 10 it’s the set ups fault not the battery

[@robbiecryer]

Very informative Thanks for sharing 👍😎

[@MulletOnTour]

Appreciate it mate no worries

[@unintentionallyoffgrid]

Thanks for the video :) I got the 250w fold out Kings hard panel and it has worked great. I am considering some other Kings stuff now or pehaps maybe going with the 150ah Kickass battery box + an inverter. Currently have just plug and play power stations and I know now I can do what I want cheaper if I have the separate components. I have enough to do what I need to do now, but want back up in the instance something breaks or there's a long period of increment weather. This stuff does not have to be hard, but I find many people on the internet insist making it sound so hard. And yes punters will knock brands quality when it is - like you say, probably their setup and or how they're using it.

[@Measuretwicelad]

Also purchased a blue top Kings 120 lithium, also running a second generation Kings 1500 inverter, no issues to report ( powering a small pod coffee machine only) Great value for money, finally, Kings have upped their game with these higher end products. If I had an unlimited budget then I most likely I would have looked at Itech or similar…for an infrequent camper this brand is perfect.

[@MarkPisani-do8sn]

Brought one best thing I’ve ever done thanks kings

[@mickell4adventures]

Subscribed 😀 agree Kings have stepped up to the mark with there battery's ..and there inverters spot on got 3000 and 1500 and the 500w .faultless the 500 runs the internet and modem and telly every day as very prone for power outages were i am and need 24/7 coverage for coms for medical reasons .cheers for the vid

[@MulletOnTour]

Thanks for the sub legend! They have really stepped their game up!

[@evil17]

Kings products do cop a lot of crap, but at a fraction of the price of name brands that aren’t as good as they have you believe, I think they are good value especially for someone starting out on a budget. I have 3 x 200A Kings lithiums and they are all fine. I have seen a number of tests & teardowns of them & they are a good build with nice prismatic cells & a decent BMS. Kings have really upped their game with their batteries lately, the 300A lithiums you can run a 3000W inverter, perfect for any high powered camper setup. Ive seen Kings inverters & batteries take a lot of abuse and still keep going.

[@MulletOnTour]

You’re correct mate. Use their inverters in our work cars and they get abused. Never had one fail

[@lukeborg9746]

Good video mate. I’ve just bought 2 Kings 120ah lithiums for my camper trailer. Bought the Victron Bluetooth shunt and had to upgrade the dcdc charger. It gets expensive but do it right the first time and you shouldn’t have any issues. I’m testing it out this weekend 👍🏽

[@MulletOnTour]

That’s it man. Look at Lukey go, getting the right gear

[@detlyn]

I have two of these. On in my Ute touring set up and one on my caravan. Both charging through Kings 25Ah DC DC charger with MPPT solar and Victron Bluetooth shunt so I can see what’s going on. Very happy with them.

[@MulletOnTour]

That’s awesome mate, good setup!

[@kadachiman7234]

One of the biggest advantages of a Kings battery which most people don't consider is the fact that there are Kings outlets (including dealers) in many locations. As many with lithium setups do travel, it is conforming to know that you can get your battery replaced under warranty at these outlets, compare that with a battery from a supplier that has limited locations and discover how difficult it is to get a lithium battery transported back to where you purchased it from to access your warranty.

[@TheSimpleLivingAussie]

I am running two of the 120Ah Kings Lithium batteries, running full time in a 24 volt set up, cycling everyday with heavy loads. So far after a month of use I have not had any issues yet. I guess time will tell to see how long they will last.

[@stephensimmonds202]

thanks mate you have confirmed others that kings batteries are pretty dam good. my usage is for blackout protection at home, i bought a 135ah battery of dubious pedigree had it tested, turns out it was still going this arvo & had reached 118a discharge final result tomorrow, looks ok after all. going to get a couple of kings and put them in a couple of Giantz boxes with 500w inverters fitted and put them around the house or find out how to connect them to the circuit board and connect to the solar aray , cant afford a tester 3

[@nickvm4651]

Hi Mate, Thanks for the video and info. What auxiliary’s are you running off the 120a/h battery?

[@MulletOnTour]

The victron, my fridge, all my lighting and soon an inverter

[@richardkaye2228]

I live in a boat and it has the most expensive lithium batteries I know of , my car canopy has this kings lithium and I can say it’s been faultless , the kings lithium is actually fantastic , also I’ve never known of a lipo4 battery catching fire , I don’t actually think it’s possible , great review but .

[@hermanjonkers4504]

There was a tear down of one of these on another channel. The only issues they found was that the cells are not grade A they are secondhand cells and there is no low temperature shutdown, the BMS is actually a 150 amp, and everything else was ok.

[@LVNITUPM8]

Fair few videos of guys testing kings batteries one in particular where he actually tears it down and seriously impressed.

[@lexicase8805]

Ive seen the video you're talking about, and strangely his was 4 cells in series, i purchased one and also took it apart and mine was 8 cells in a series parallel configuration. Mine also tested up at 132ah before the inverter i was using as a load, shut off at 11v. What i am disappointed in is the 60ah battery, it tested to a fantastic 67ah, however it wont take a charge now, even after the jump start techniques and bench power supplies, i have determined the bms is dead. Ive had it 3 days and planned on using it to run a trolling motor this weekend

[@petcuyvers]

@@lexicase8805 Warranty claim on the 3 day old 60 Ah? If so, how did you go?

[@lexicase8805]

@petcuyvers yeah after they apparently tested it in store for an hour they couldn't get it to work either, so they wanted to send it away for inspection and further testing but Australia consumer law states that dead on arrival goods, you're entitled to a refund or replacement with a new item so after threatening a case with them, they replaced it on the spot and the new one is from a different batch number and works perfectly. Runs the 24Lb watersnake for a good 6 hours no trouble and tested at 60ah, once it was trickle charged to allow the bms to balance the cells. Charging at 20a the bms cut off at 14.1v so there was a decent imbalance. But at 100ma overnight, it accepted a further 7ah and now reliably charges at 30a all the way to 14.6v and yields 67.2ah

[@user-dz4dh8vm7k]

Hey mate. Great advice as I am considering a kings battery. Original plan was running a 150ah baintech but Im leaning more towards the king’s obviously due to budget. What triggered me to ask is the ventilation part of your video. I’m glad I watched it because I was planning on mounting it under my wings in the draw system in a tub and canopy. Any advice on that. Cheers mate

[@MulletOnTour]

Under the wings should be fine mate, not really a hot space. To avoid anything could cut out a slot in the wings and add a vent!

[@beersintheshed.]

A DC-DC charger does more than just charge your 2nd battery it charge’s the 2nd battery at the correct charging voltage for the selected type of 2nd battery you have even if your cars charging system is supplying more or less voltage needed. Lead acid, AGM, Lithium etc all need different types of charging voltage and a good quality dc-dc charger can supply this.

[@user-wq4bf1nm7c]

Make sure all 12v connections are properly insulated especially battery terminals

[@TheRenoir]

Good luck with your channel. Some of the commenters need to take at least one chill pill; nasty people. Trolls are an unfortunate part of life experience.

[@sproket168]

Can you regulate the state of charge and keep the battery between 20% & 80% with the Victron shunt ?

[@tonestarful]

Hi mate I have a kings 200 amp hour running of a 40amp dc to dc charger and a 160 watt solar panel mine has shut off twice due to dropping to 11.8 volts when you buy these batteries they are only charged th 30% it's only running my kings 75 litre fridge continuously do you think I should plug it in to a wall charger as when I went off grid for two weeks I had no problem with it

[@JamesandJosieTravel]

Hey. How do you know when it’s fully charged?

[@nemesis851_]

Good on you for doing a video, but PLEASE utilize a wind sock

[@MulletOnTour]

Yeah my bad 🤣

[@djmracing8886]

i own a 2021 fiat ducato 25-1 conquest and i am looking for information to install lithium batteries, DC to DC? BS to DC charger and a 3000w inverter and any thing else first time owning a motorhome or doing any thing like this.

[@geoff8263]

Subscribed

[@MulletOnTour]

Legend!!

[@-Bigjordan]

GOT 2 KINGS 300s 12months no issues

[@stephengloor8451]

They don't seem to be any worse or better than any of the lower priced batteries. Got mine on special for $349 - can't argue with that. I have a 200W inverter and two 100AHr batteries. one of which is the Kings Both of them will only see 75A draw if I ever draw the 2000W from the inverter which will probably be never. I have a clamp meter so I am going to check that both batteries are equal current when at 1800W which is the heater I will use as the dummy load. If you were running a 2000W inverter from a 100AHr battery that can do 150A then sure you would need the expensive one that can do that however limiting your current draw to well under the 100A that these batteries will give will make sure the cheaper battery works OK.

[@kwikflikzyakadventures3795]

Good on ya mate, what do dads know, there are a lot of Tear down Reviews on the Kings Lithium Battery and they all state the kings Batteries are all good builds. And they absolutely destroy the batteries.

[@MulletOnTour]

Yeah man we now have them in the work utes the old man gave in 🤣

[@jacks86australia]

Hey mate, wondering what your thoughts are. I recently got a century 100amp hr slim line lithium. I have an existing setup in the canopy where i was running a projecta BCDC. Ive had a heap of conflicting advice. Can you run a lithium with a BCDC using the AGM charge profile? I checked out the projecta lithium charge profiles, they are almost identical to the AGM except for the initial soft charge setting, bulk, absorption and float are nearly identical. The profiles for AGM also dont exceed the voltage or amps as per century and ironically are the exact charging voltage recommended by century whereas the lithium profile is a little off the specified voltage, not over the max voltage however. Ive been running it for a few weeks now and havent had any issues, i checked the century BMS as per the app and it hasnt thrown any codes etc. Its been running the fridge for two weeks now now issue full time parked in the sun.

[@MulletOnTour]

You can do it, it won’t damage anything but you may get an in-balance in the batteries

[@jacks86australia]

@@MulletOnTour when you say imbalance in the battery what do you mean?

[@petcuyvers]

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[@harrisongauci2487]

I bought a 200 amp lithium from kings. I was running a ctek 250 dse. 25amp charger. The charger got up to 75 degrees (nearly engine temp). Took it straight to an auto electrician. He said faulty charger as it would get hot within 2 minutes. Replaced it but no difference. Next thing he said is your negative wire isn’t thick enough over heating the circuit. Installed new thick negative but same problem. After that we changed the battery out for another one and all fixed. Turned out the kings battery dropped a cell from factory tricking the charger into an extreme bulk charging phase. Went back to kings and got everything replaced for free. Haven’t had a problem since. My advice it’s good but be careful nearly burnt my whole car down

[@MulletOnTour]

Yeah you’re right, always be weary and double check everything!

[@lindsaypetersen1277]

I'll basically only be running a 45ltr Kings fridge. We wont be camping (at this stage) maybe the occasional overnight stay in the bush. What Ah battery would be sufficient. Very new to this and just starting out

[@MulletOnTour]

The kings 120ah lithium would be perfect, more than enough. Make sure to have a solar panel so it charges when car isn’t running! A fold out one from kings or xtm are a cheap suitable option!!

[@lindsaypetersen1277]

@@MulletOnTour Thanks for that - appreciate the feed back

[@mariceto100]

My God Redarc,Victron posh equipment and then doing experiments with totally different gaget and winging.And another thing the things that are connected and used for sure will go up and that set up will not satisfy the needs. I had kings battery for 5 years no problem at all simplicity sometimes is better off then having all flash things sometimes something it's more likely will go bareshape.

[@australianmade2659]

I don’t think lifepo4 lithium are a major fire risk.

[@MulletOnTour]

Not anymore, early ones use to cause small fires

[@asedcopf]

no cobalt, no worries.

[@MulletOnTour]

@@asedcopfwhat’s Colbat?

[@asedcopf]

Co-blat is what is not found in Lifepo4, and likes to burn 😄@@MulletOnTour

[@evil17]

Lifepo4 cells/batteries are a relatively safe chemistry, I have seen a couple of vids of them catching fire after some very serious abuse with a crowbar puncturing a cell several times or multiple drill holes through a cell (Will Prowse had one catch fire doing this), but that is extreme abuse. Lithium-Ion cells/batteries contain cobalt which have a history of potential thermal runaway incidents, case in point: many EV’s catch fire. Cobalt has a nasty habit of spontaneously combusting when exposed to high temperatures & air.

[@ajf9034]

I think you should do some research on the differences between lifepo4 batteries and the other lithium battery chemistry’s, some of the things you’ve said here are rather inaccurate. A quality agm battery won’t die after one heavy discharge either, a fullriver 120ah agm is rated for 500 cycles at 90% depth of discharge

[@MulletOnTour]

AGM batteries aren’t even close to lithium batteries. Majority will not withstand a full discharge. AGMs are damaged when discharge below 50%, in most cases. I’ve done my research and also work on the field man

[@ajf9034]

@@MulletOnTour I work in the field to, probably for longer than you’ve been on this earth. I never said anything about agm being equivalent to lithium, because they’re not, it’s like comparing apples to oranges. Quality agms can have a 80% dod capacity without causing any significant problems when recharged and cared for properly, I don’t know what brands you’ve been dealing with, the 50% rule is more important with flooded lead acid batteries. As with all batteries, even lifepo4 the deeper the depth of regular discharge the less cycles you’ll get out of a battery. The inaccuracy I was referring to was how you said that lifepo4 batteries would catch fire or explode.

[@jpwatson8811]

Its not under voltage that creates the fire risk. Its charging the battery without a bms the battery heats up and if not controlled could create a fire.

[@MulletOnTour]

Using too much amperage from the battery has caused fires in hit past too

[@evil17]

Very unwise for anyone to consider using any lithium battery without using a BMS, I know they do this in the audio industry a bit & I think they are looking for big trouble in the long run. Along with a battery BMS you will also need a proper controller for DC-DC input or solar charging of course.

[@evil17]

@@MulletOnTourif the battery is half decent it should have enough protections in the BMS to mitigate such issues, fires starting due to high amp draw is probably more likely due to poor wiring, fusing, connections or components beyond the (Lithium) battery. I am not saying to do this, but if internal connections & BMS are okay, you should be able to do a quick dead short without causing any harm to the battery as the BMS should mitigate this and shut down requiring you to give it a jump start to get the BMS active again.

[@slygamer01]

Yeah, there's a lot of Kings haters out there, but most of them are just hate without reason. It is now regulation (since Nov '23) that lithium batteries must be mounted in an externally vented space. For example, they can be under a bed in a caravan, but there must be external ventilation to that under-bed space.

[@MulletOnTour]

Exactly right mate

[@mrdobalina3451]

Overheat and explode…? They have BMS built in.

[@wittyfpv]

I'm pretty sure competitors like redarc and similar pay people to talk crap on the cheap kings gear because they work as good at a fraction of the price

[@fftcdragonboy7999]

i have 5 lithium kings batterys and never hade issues with any of them

[@MulletOnTour]

They’re actually pretty decent! Have many kings inverters too and they never fail!

[@fftcdragonboy7999]

hahahah I love kings gear great stuff don't know what people doing with there battery's but I can't fault them hade kine for 2 years now and still going

[@thelostphotographer1438]

As you can see !

[@MulletOnTour]

Let’s make it a drinking game, every time I say it take a drink 🤣

[@ThaVoodoo1]

I have 8 Kings 200AH Lithium batteries in a 24v 800AH home solar system, with a 5000W Victron inverter for the last 2 years now. So far so good!. I have discharged them down to 10% after a few rainy days and the quoted AH has been spot on. I use the same Victron Shunt/Meter as what you have which is very accurate. People who BASH these 200AH batteries are full of shit!. Videos are on youtube with the Kings 200AH teardown and charge/discharge tests done with flying colours!. The build quality is also good.

[@MikeKulls2]

Wow, so much wrong in the video. It's not a bcdc charger, its a dc dc charger. Bcdc is the model name one brand uses, i cant remember the brand. Second, you don't use voltage, you use energy or power. Third, they've never releases a serious lithium battery without a bms or a requirement for an external bms. So it coming with one is hardly special. The flattening an AGM down to its "minimum voltage" isn't good for it but won't destroy it. Finally, the fact one battery has performed well is no indication it's a great product.

[@MulletOnTour]

Wow someone read a brochure good job mate, DM me privately on insta and I can explain the components in a detailed version, instead of just giving everyone and quick understanding

[@nathanjones3905]

these will overheat and they will explode!? never heard of a kings battery exploding??? has that happened?

[@MulletOnTour]

No, previous lithium batteries early in the making of them have been known to set on fire. That’s is what I meant by explode, bad choice of words 🤣

[@sparkiekosten5902]

Are you aware of the new rules with having batteries in a canopy or caravan?

[@MulletOnTour]

Yes, this is only if they are fitted after the rule was made. But all caravans and canopies should have vented areas for batterjes

[@Inthemixmedia]

Just bought a 12 ah not impressed. Takes forever to charge and ran out of power for the kings mini fridge. Its all rebadged cheap chinese stuff.

[@ausguy4385]

Lol 😂 didn't even explain the dcdc correctly 🤣

[@MulletOnTour]

How so mate?

[@jonathanmcdonald1101]

No way your an auto electrician...

[@MulletOnTour]

You’re* lol get your grammar correct first then talk bud!

[@jonroth6981]

This is full of poor advice, shows lack of depth of knowledge and not worth watching

[@MulletOnTour]

Hey mate, if you’d like more information and detailed advice message my Instagram, if not leave the hate away. Was a simple video to help people have a simple understanding. No need for the hate, do something better with your life!

[@jonroth6981]

I don’t, you appeared in my feed I have a kings battery and a full victron setup, your advice has many incorrect statements, you repeat yourself to the point it seems like a paid advertisement. If you think your woke ‘hate’ statement will work go back to the playground buddy. My initial comment has no hate, is a statement based upon my opinion which was based on your video You kids think you can produce shit and then with a sharp stick defend utter crap by calling me a hater

[@iandickinson342]

BMS,s are not all the same. Kings will be a cheap arse BMS. A good BMS is needed for reliability, complete cell analysis and monitoring. They also do not use A1 quality cells.. There is a reason they are cheap (just like their other shoddy products). Saying "they draw a lot of power" means nothing. You should provide figures and also have you actually tested the capacity of the battery. ?

[@MulletOnTour]

No need for the hate man, just giving people a basic insight. Yes they probably have a cheaper BMS but it’s still a BMS works the same as all the others. You probably don’t even know what A1 cell means. “They draw a lot of power” is a simple term for the people at home watching. They don’t have the best compressors in them, meaning they draw lots of current when the compressor needs to kick in. If you want actual figures let me know I can send them in

[@Warhorse469]

There are plenty of other videos available that provide in-depth information about the type of cells and BMS (Battery Management System) used by Kings Batteries. However, this particular video is not one of them. It's just a young person sharing his 12-volt setup. There's no need to be negative or bitter about it before you run your mouth do some research cobber 👍

[@evil17]

I have seen several teardowns and capacity tests on these batteries & cells. The cells look and performed perfect, capacity was always good to somewhat above spec and they generally use a reasonable quality JBD BMS that also performs well to above spec. There was one test & teardown that the reviewer failed, the battery performed flawlessly in all area’s except one terminal post was a bit hotter than the other and on further inspection was found to have a internal connecting bolt that was not torqued properly, so he failed it, even though it did pass the capacity test while pulling 200A continuously, the bolt was not that loose and was siliconed to help stop it from loosening anymore and I have come across this in other battery brands, so not just Kings. Kings probably sell 100 x more batteries at this price, so you could expect them to have more bad reviews, but not necessarily because the product is any worse than anyone else. I bought 3 x 48v Seplos “Suntorque” 5.12 kWh home batteries less than 2 years ago and all 3 have failed, these are supposed to be a quality battery & BMS with a 10 year warranty, 2 of these batteries are now at 59% & 74% SOC respectively, while the 3rd battery just died recently, suspected BMS failure, so that will cost $300 to send back for repair under warranty, while the other 2 I will test for faulty cells and they will be sent to & replaced by me. No one would expect to get the best cells in the cheapest batteries on the market, & I have to agree with MOT that you probably have no idea what an A1 cell is, as EVE cells are made for EV’s and dont come with posts or threads in their original form, which means the only batteries containing EVE cells that you could give an A1 grade are in EV’s. EVE cells do not have a manufacturers grade system other than they pass or fail for EV use, and while they can fail for any or many reasons for EV use, they are still very acceptable as a storage grade battery.

[@MulletOnTour]

@@Warhorse469appreciate it mate. Didn’t want to go into depth. Wanted a simple video people could understand