Should You Buy an AMD 7800X3D or Intel 14700K?

[@AvroBellow]

This video is extremely well-done with so many aspects covered so you have a new sub in me. I just thought that I'dd add another giagntic advantage to the R7-7800X3D... The fact that it is a first-gen AM5 part. If the longevity of AM4 is any indicator, the AM5 platform will still be relevant in 2030 with several drop-in CPU upgrades available. Meanwhile, the Intel LGA1700 platform is on its last legs. This means that any upgrade from the i7-14700K will require a new motherboard no matter which direction you go (unless you get something like an i9-14900K I suppose). Even if you already have an LGA1700 motherboard, the i7-14700K makes little to no sense because its performance advantage over even an i7-12700K is negligible and isn't worth the asking price. Having said that, if you have an i7-12700K, you're still more than fine for gaming anyway. This makes the i7-14700K a completely useless product as people building a new PC or performing a platform upgrade should only be looking at AM5 while people already on LGA1700 have no need for a "14th-gen" CPU upgrade as the upgrade won't make any significant difference.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Great point that I should have mentioned in my video … longevity is a big advantage for AM5. Will pin your comment since I didn’t mention it. Thanks!

[@deheimer]

Wouldn't go that far buddy. There are plenty of people who upgrade well after 3-4 years of usage, in that case, really doesn't make a difference between a 14700k or a 7800x3d. One thing I know for sure is how inferior 7800x3d is at productivity tasks compared to the 14700k . As far as gaming, 7800x3d is the winner but, at a resolution like 4k, it's not gonna make a difference at all. So you can't say going for 14700k is useless haha. Highly depends on the use case and planning of each individual.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@deheimer I don't recall saying in the video or comments that the 14700k is useless, I did however state that I think it's over priced relative to the competition. I disagree that longevity doesn't make a difference ... even if someone decides to upgrade after 4 years, if they choose AM5 as their platform they will have multiple CPU upgrade paths without having to upgrade their entire system whereas if you are on LGA1700 you won't. I agree on the performance differences at 4K and benefits for productivity tasks ... I showed this with actual data in the video.

[@AvroBellow]

@@blackbirdpctech I'm honoured, thank you very much!

[@AvroBellow]

@@deheimer For the relatively tiny number of people who do productivity workloads (compared to the legions of gamers), the 14700K isn't a good choice either. If you're using a part to make money with productivity, the cost no longer matters because performance = profit. In that case, you're looking at something like an R9-7950X or Threadripper, not an i7, buddy.

[@jggg31]

Loved this! Maybe 7800X3D vs 7900X3D vs 7950X3D? And of course, the 4090 vs 7900XTX! Thank you for your hard work!

[@blackbirdpctech]

The 4090 vs 7900 xtx is coming next week … was a great suggestion you made … results are actually surprising. Hardware unboxed just did the X3D comparison, so they beat me to it, but I’m working on a memory related video that should be interesting. Thanks for watching!

[@cristianspiridon]

10% better in gaming and 90% worse for work :)))) Intel is a much better all around, amd is a little better in gaming... and much more efficient.

[@dennisJNT]

Intel 13/14 has a bug. AMD doesn't. 😀

[@cristianspiridon]

@@dennisJNT True.. I changed my 14700k because I was afraid and even if I went for a 7950x3d I feel like I lost! To bad for Intel problems.. they have a much balanced, better cpu if you don't mind the power consumption.

[@dennisJNT]

@@cristianspiridon yeah, I also prefer Intel but this is a very bad situation.

[@cristianspiridon]

@@dennisJNT Is not looking that bad but is not worth risking your money! If I knew I would never sold my 12700k. But because it was sold I had to upgrade and amd was the only choice. Like i said.. the "upgrade" sucs.. I am not happy with amd..

[@jamirbingham4101]

@@cristianspiridonI’m new to pcs is the 7950x3d like a balance between gaming and productivity?

[@jackr.749]

Just bought a 7800X3D a couple weeks ago, paired it with a Aorus X670 Elite AX and G.Skill 6000 at cl30 ram. This replaced my 5900x system. On the titles that take advantage of the 3D cache, the difference is incredible, on titles that do not use the 3D cache, it's still a little better, smoother gaming maybe than the 5900x but not much difference. Of course, the 5900x will blow the 7800X3D in multi core CPU intensive workloads due to it's 4 extra cores. But for gaming the 7800X3D is pretty impressive. I could not believe how much better MSFS-2020 is on the 7800X3D and this is in VR using a Reverb G2 at high resolutions, even a Quest-3 via link cable with some tweaks can be simply gorgeous and perform way better than I thought possible (oh yeah, GPU is a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC). I love this system and man oh man, if you have game titles that take advantage of the 3D cache, you can expect up to 50% better performance over a 5900x. :)

[@blackbirdpctech]

Yeah, the X3D chips were made for MS Flight Sim ... the increase in performance in that game is truly incredible. Nice system!

[@ahsum28]

5900x IS BOTTLE NECK OF SYSTEM

[@LostinSpacetime]

This shouldn't be a wake-up call for Intel (they already know) but for the people buying their products. The uninformed buyer thinks that because Intel is more expensive, it has to be better. It's at least 2 years since Intel has been competitive, especially on laptops because of the far superior efficiency of AMD CPUs and more performant integrated GPUs. This, however, hasn't stopped more than 80% of buyers to pay more for less. AMD has even lost market share in the past 2 years, which shows just how well the Intel marketing is working.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I agree and it also shows the power of brands ... in general people tend to be very brand loyal and Intel built a brand that people recognize so they feel "safe" buying it, even when the data shows that it's not the best choice.

[@jaydeepmohile]

I don't blame the people. I'm from India and I have been watching Intel inside ads for the last 30+ years on TV. I'm yet to see an AMD ad. I came to know about Ryzen in 2019 when I was planning to build a new PC and started to Google & KZbin to understand what's on offer in the market. Most average consumers just get a pre-built or whatever fits their budget as per shop owner recommendations. And most shops recommend Intel CPUs.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Yeah, AMD marketing is terrible … they should hire some people from Nvidia and Intel 😉

[@jaydeepmohile]

@@blackbirdpctech They should actually 😄 Just came across your channel. Going through the video now. Great content. Subscribing for more such quality videos.

[@JayTac1]

I disagree. You have to keep in mind that a lot of people use their PC for more than just gaming. That said, with the 7800x3d you're sacrificing a lot in terms of productivity performance, and even boot speed, for a marginal improvement in gaming. So it's really a matter of preference. You can't go wrong with either. AMD has come a long way but I don't think they will cut into Intel until they create an all-around better chip.

[@birdsoup777]

Awesome picture of the SR-71 Black Bird in the background. Switched to 7800X3D. Lost trust in Intel after poor handling of the degradation issue. I saw the SR71 at an airshow in Tustin, Ca in the 80's. It did a low pass fly by that came out of nowhere

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s amazing to me just how quickly Intel has damaged their brand over this issue. Unfortunately I never got to see the Blackbird fly … they apparently used to operate from a base close to where I grew up in Australia but I never saw them. I did learn a lot more about the aircraft when I worked at Lockheed … still my favorite plane.

[@Blackcat70_]

Your videos are what convinced me to build a full on 7800x3d computer. I see that you are a reply machine, also (which is awesome!). You do great work. Looking forward to your blackwell benchmarks when that becomes available. Im going all out with a 5090, but i'll keep an eye out for your take on that monster when the time comes. Thanks for your content, Sir! S!

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s awesome and welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community! Looking forward to testing the new generation of tech … have some cool new content that I’m working on in the meantime.

[@TheBoltcranck]

nice follow up from last video, and a guide for AM5 3D Vcache with Project Hydra sounds awesome.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thanks ... I've been wanting to do that for a while, so I will put it together ... will run it on AM4 (5800X3D) and AM5 (7800X3D) systems and walk through how to optimize.

[@fordprefect80]

I was using a i7 7700k and I wanted a i7 14700k so badly, but after learning of all the Intel 13th/14th issues I went for the 7800X3D.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I think that was a smart choice at this time.

[@iQ2Ki]

@@fordprefect80 me too use i7 8700k and Confused between these two CPU

[@Kingswtech]

Dude was a rocket scientist lol I’m betting on him

[@Battleneter]

Its not rocket science :P

[@dinglemckringleberry9429]

I tried to build a 7800x3d. When it worked it was awesome. Just not reliable at all. Had to power cycle EVERT boot. If I was lucky, it would boot on 3rd cycle. Tried 2 different 7800’s and 2 different boards and 3 mem kits. Had enough, exchanged for z790 and 14700k - boots every time no issues.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That sounds very strange … never seen an issue like this with any 5000 or 7000 cpu. The good news is you now have a system you are happy with.

[@iKayorei]

Yea, this is one of the things holding me back. If reliability is a problem, its not worth the trouble.

[@JerzyPiekielnik]

Bo Amd to syf

[@mikef6430]

Overall great vid. Interested to see how this plays out with the 9800X3D release along with the OS optimization improvements from Win 11 24H2. Current working with a 10850k & 1080ti & have debating on upgrading for a bit. Leaning towards getting the 7800x3d as the performance difference between 7000 & 9000 doesn't seem like enough of an improvement to justify the cost difference.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I'm working on a video now comparing the 9700X to the 7800X3D ... I think the mainstream/large tech KZbinrs were wrong ... this chip is pretty amazing ... they simply don't know how to use it properly. I spent a few days optimizing it and I plan to share what I learned in the video ... this doesn't require sophisticated bios tweaks. So before making your decision I would recommend waiting to watch the video ... I was on vacation last week so this was delayed and I really wanted to get it right, so the benchmarks will be done in a few days (and shared with BPT members) but the video will be released next week (on Friday).

[@mikef6430]

@@blackbirdpctech Interesting. I'll definitely have to check out the video once it's up. Not in a rush to upgrade anyways. Yeah I think a lot of the issues with the mainstream reviews so far have been done on the current version of Windows 23H2. AMD released 9000s too early & should have waited for the 24H2 launch as it's better optimized for them.

[@blackbirdpctech]

It's interesting but the newer version of Windows also significantly improves the performance of the 7000 series too, so unless you are comparing to Intel CPU's it won't make any difference (maybe 1-2% in favor of the 9000 chips). So I am doing my testing on the current version of Windows so I can show what the other tech KZbinrs missed ... the relative difference between the 7800X3D and 9700X will stay the same with the newer version of Windows however relative to Intel chips it will improve significantly (I will have to re-run those). I will put the summary benchmark results in a post later this week ... this is why I don't like day 1 reviews, you are in a rush and don't have time to really test the CPU before publishing your video.

[@evansvalverde9646]

I'm about to get a new PC with the 14700K. I'd love that CPU Optimization guide!

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s part of my plan … one thing I would recommend when you get your new PC is to enable Intel power limit settings in bios so your motherboard doesn’t increase power beyond reasonable levels.

[@evansvalverde9646]

@@blackbirdpctech I read about that on a forum a few days ago, however this is my first approach to a gaming PC so there's a lot of details I'm still unaware. Thanks for the advice! I'll take a look into it.

[@raptor6600gt]

Excellent methodology and reasoning for it. Keep up the great work on the channel!

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you!

[@psour33]

I deleted my previous post because it was just bullshit, I apologize. I compare both brands and imho AMD is the way to go now. More secure, easy to cope with and setup, very easy to undervolt, so less heat, power and noise. They are close performances speaking, but a Ryzen is far easier and secure to manage. Thank you for this video.

[@blackbirdpctech]

No problem ... I wondered what happened with your post ... I thought I accidentally deleted it 😉 It's always ok to share your thoughts and opinions on my channel ... I am not an AMD, Intel or Nvidia fan ... I use them all and I try to let the data guide my opinions and recommendations.

[@CombatInsiders]

Thanks for this breakdown , I bought a prebuilt with a 14700f , 4070 and 32gb ddr5 5200, I'm still within the return period and can grab one with a 7800x3d with a 4070 super, 32gb ddr 5 6000 for only about a $100 more. This helped with that decision.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Glad I could help and definitely do that, not just for the cpu but the 4070 Super is a great card … you can checkout my review for it 😉

[@ImaITman]

Another great high quality video - now that I know you're a rocket scientist I'm tipping my "it's not rocket science....oh yea it is!" NASA cup to you!

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you, I really appreciate that and yeah, that's why I use the "It's Not Rocket Science" tag line ... I want to try to eliminate the fear that some people have wrt building PC's.

[@djlim4612]

Thank you for the video. It's great to see AMD riding high. Am a fan of AMD even through the darkest of times for them. Wish there is a 3rd x86 CPU player though. Imagine the comparison between the AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d, the Intel 14700K and the "Cyrix M8 8550X" :D

[@blackbirdpctech]

My first real gaming PC from Voodoo PC had an FX-53 in it ... awesome CPU before the dark times that AMD went through. Thankfully they made it through otherwise we wouldn't have the competition and prices we see today in the CPU market. The GPU market is an entirely different story but we now have three competitors, so hopefully it will get better. Thanks for watching!

[@djlim4612]

@@blackbirdpctechthat's really awesome. the FX-53 was my dream cpu at one time. Unfortunately couldn't afford it at the time (was a dirt-poor schoolboy then) . My first AMD cpu was the Athlon Thunderbird. Before that, I had the Cyrix 6x86-P-166+, then a Cyrix MII 300 (quite bad at gaming but great memories of them). My last Intel chip was an 486! During the "dark days", i had bought a AMD FX 8350 against practically everybody's advice. It's still serving faithfully in my parents' HTPC.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@djlim4612 I think we all willed AMD to be better during those times ... I remember telling my wife that we should invest in AMD when it was $1 per share ... we bought a few hundred dollars worth of stock ... she looks back now and says wish we had bought more.

[@Battleneter]

@@blackbirdpctech You should probably avoid being a fan of any company as they only care about you as a consumer :p. That said I switched to a 7800X3D a few months back, the last AMD I owned was literally 20 years ago, took them a long time to edge back past Intel, lets hope they can keep it up.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@BattleneterI agree with you … at the time Intel was dominating CPU’s and increasing prices so we needed AMD … ironically the same way we need Intel now for GPU’s. But yes, none of these companies care about us, just our money 😉

[@CanadianFactor]

what would be the pick for gaming and streaming and discord all at once

[@blackbirdpctech]

Great question … for that I would likely go with the 14700K … the additional cores should help you maintain higher fps in games with the other apps running.

[@BruceUZULUL]

Another great video! Keep it up!

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you!

[@ultrarigo6829]

That Bruce Buffer bit just earned you another subscriber lol 👍

[@blackbirdpctech]

He’s a great guy 😉

[@ultrarigo6829]

@@blackbirdpctech I miss the old days when you could meet him and all the fighters at a $70 event lol

[@AphillyatedYT]

Short answer the 14 700 K is much better all around CPU I have both and I enjoy the 14 700 K much more less problems better one percent

[@blackbirdpctech]

The 14700K is a great multi-purpose chip but what do you mean by less problems? The data clearly shows that the 7800X3D has better 1% lows, so I'm not sure what you mean by that either.

[@johnt.848]

No need to bother comparing to a 14700K as the 7800X3D beats the 14900K and is MUCH better value.

[@blackbirdpctech]

There is no question that the 7800X3D is better value and significantly more efficient however a well tuned 14900K will beat a 7800X3D in some games and the 14700K is close in price, so IMO they are both worthwhile comparisons.

[@AphillyatedYT]

@@blackbirdpctechjust to let you know if you slot the nvme in the pcie 5.0 to nvme slot your Gpu will run at 8x Instead of 16x re do your test with the nvme in bottom slot and see what happens

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@AphillyatedYT again, I only used the DIMM.2 slot for my SSDs, so the GPU was tested in full x16 mode. Regardless, the difference in performance even for a 4090 between x8 and x16 modes is relatively small (~2%) based on what I've seen. Would be good to investigate further but at these differences running in x8 mode wouldn't have a large enough impact on the results to change the conclusion.

[@Kevin-gf4im]

I am sensitive to micro stutter. I had to go intel 14700k and it runs so much smoother in games compared to my 5800x3d system. My roommate is immune to his stuttering 5900x amd platform. I have tried playing on his pc and its terrible but he doesnt notice it at all. Wtf lol

[@blackbirdpctech]

It would be good to measure that behavior … have you ever looked at 0.1% lows? Might be interesting to test that and see if it can align with what bothers you. Is there a specific game that you notice it the most?

[@testAccount-eb2ve]

Great video as always, is this channel a hobby or are you doing it full time? Your always pumping out high quality content and I appreciate it ❤

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you, I really appreciate your comment. I work part-time for an AI start-up, so I'm not full-time but I spend most of my time working on this content. I genuinely had no idea just how much work goes in to producing content, especially the benchmarking which usually takes days (if I don't find an error or have to explore an issue) ... I would love to be able to produce content faster but I think it's better to focus on higher quality versus quantity.

[@testAccount-eb2ve]

@@blackbirdpctech Anytime! Wow that's cool, thats the field I am planning on going into too ;) Yeah I definitely agree that higher quality videos are the way to go plus the extra tips you give like the CCleaner and the command prompt command are also super useful so I appreciate those gems too.

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s a great time to be involved with AI, so you are setting yourself up well for the future 😉

[@testAccount-eb2ve]

[@Creem16]

its a problem for me when i research cpus and every reviewer treats the pc as an fps machine. i wish i could see more comparisons about idle power consumption and other usecases like coding and video editing. great tips though

[@blackbirdpctech]

Great suggestions, I will see how I can incorporate those into my benchmark suite moving forward. Most reviewers focus on games because it's a great way to really test the components in a system and that's where most of the viewership comes from. Thanks for watching!

[@Creem16]

@@blackbirdpctech I wont even lie to you, gaming is what i do the majority of the time. But i've never needed to play in 4k or 2k although i wanna be able to. I've had more trouble running scripts from non gpu optimised python packages or R packages (map rendering), rendering in after effects/premiere/blender etc. I understand intel cpus are infernal beasts but i suspect only under max load. if they are efficient in idle or light browsing then its worth it for me.

[@blackbirdpctech]

You can set them up to run super efficiently but the default settings are incredibly inefficient. The e-cores help them a lot in idle but that will apparently change with the new chips.

[@JaswantSingh-mt4qy]

i am confused in this two CPU's, my primary work is productivity like creating content using premier pro & after effects, secondary is gaming i.e also heavy gaming playing AAA title games, can u pls suggest which one will be the best for me, i am planning to get RTX 4070 S with this CPU's

[@blackbirdpctech]

I would likely go with the 14700K based on what your needs are.

[@JaswantSingh-mt4qy]

@@blackbirdpctech what about Ryzen 9 9900x

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s a great option too … I’m planning to test it against a 14700k soon.

[@JaswantSingh-mt4qy]

@@blackbirdpctech then I will plan my build after watching your video🫵🏻🫱🏻‍🫲🏼 thanks

[@bachcomp1]

Ryzen is better choice for gaming. I7 for workers. Intel funs should buy i5 13600kf or 14600kf. Good power and value.

[@jggg31]

Quick question regarding Resizable Bar. Please help. I play COD MW3 on Windows 11 with a 10900k OC'd, 4400 cl17 OC'd ram and a 7900XTX OC'd. I play at 1440p low settings both mp and wz. Resizable Bar DISABLED benchmarks CPU: 385fps avg - 256fps 1%lows GPU: 323fps avg - 256fps 1%lows Bottlenecks: CPU 11% and GPU 89% OverAll: 315fps avg - 243fps 1% lows. Resizable Bar ENABLED benchmarks CPU: 335fps avg - 124fps 1%lows GPU: 364fps avg - 249fps 1%lows Bottlenecks: CPU 64% and GPU 36% OverAll: 324fps avg - 124fps 1% lows. So disabling Resizable Bar raises the CPUs 1%lows from 124fps to 256fps but hurts the GPU making it the bottleneck with 89%. For fps games is it not better to be cpu bottlenecked and not GPU bottlenecked so as to eliminate system latency? Or is it more important to play with higher 1% lows? Please reply at your convenience. I found these results to be interesting findings.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That is super interesting … my initial response would be to keep resizable bar off because you want to load your gpu and the small reduction in average fps is not a big deal, but the game will feel much better with the large increase in 1% lows. That said I am going to dig in to this more … now I am curious to see if I can replicate this result across multiple platforms. Thanks for bringing this to my attention … will have to give you credit if I make a video on it 😉

[@jggg31]

@@blackbirdpctech Ran benchmarks again with up to date AMD GPU driver. Also, made it easier to read below. Resizable Bar ENABLED CPU GPU. Global Avg: 332fps. Avg: 372fps. Avg: 326fps 5th: 181fps. 5th: 314fps. 5th: 180fps 1st: 121fps. 1st: 247fps. 1st: 121fps Bottleneck: 75% Bottleneck: 25% Resizable Bar DISABLED CPU GPU. Global Avg: 383fps. Avg: 332fps. Avg: 323fps 5th: 291fps. 5th: 285fps. 5th: 269fps 1st: 248fps. 1st: 263fps. 1st: 242fps Bottleneck: 15% Bottleneck: 85% Again, I'm on Windows 11, HAGS ON, with a 10900k, 7900XTX, 32GB of 4400cl17 Ram, 360mm Arctic Freezer II AIO push/pull config, 1000W PSU, MSI Z590 Gaming Carbon WiFi Mobo, Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1TB SSD, NZXT H9 Flow Case. I have saved screenshots of the results as proof in case you may need them. Cheers.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s helpful and I definitely believe you, I simply want to dig in and try to understand why. Based on this data you definitely want resizable bar off. My question is, is that a platform or game specific issue or does it scale? As I mentioned I am going to explore it a little and see … very interesting indeed.

[@dzeklakovic7568]

The 14700k has the same issue as the rtx 4080, great piece of hardware at the wrong price point. People who call it bad or trash are just either hating for the sake of it, or straight up talking out their arse.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I agree … the 14700K is a great chip but it’s priced as though AMD doesn’t exist, which is the only issue.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Ive yet to have issues with 14th gen but i did come into it with the latest bios which seems to have fixed so many issues. I love the 14700k its the best cpu ive ever used and yes better then the 7800x3d its just the 7800xed is the best for the price. People confuse that and all want to act like intel isnt a gaming monster. There are some massively false narratives going sround as if intel cant compete and it can oh can it and if you OC it beats it. Its way to close in gaming and better everywhere else to not consider.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I think that's a very fair assessment. I simply don't see the point in going all in on one brand or another ... select the best option for your use case. I have multiple i9's and I haven't had any issues either however I do place a thermal limit of 90 deg C on them, which I think is the easiest way to avoid any degradation issues while maintaining performance.

[@reviewforthetube6485]

@@blackbirdpctech very true

[@reviewforthetube6485]

@@blackbirdpctech I just think that social media has given amd way to far of a lead. Like Facebook reddit everybody trashes on intel saying it can't keep up in gaming? Which is so so false. Actually I've found on gpus like the 4090 intel may have a slight lead. It somehow allows for less of a bottleneck.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@reviewforthetube6485one thing you learn as a tech KZbinr is if you want content to go viral then promote AMD … I will never do that, if the data supports it then I will, if not then I won’t. The truth is none of these companies are your friends or care about you, they all simply want to make money. As consumers we should realize that and make smarter choices. In my opinion AMD is doing extremely well with their CPUs and not so well with their GPUs.

[@rahorin]

Kind of misleading when you say "7800X3D is the winner" when gaming performance is better but by marginal single digit percent on some games and even losing on others. Meanwhile on the application side of things ALL tests show around 200% better performance for Intel. To be clear...you won't notice any difference gaming but will definitely notice a huge improvement on application workloads and multi-tasking. The real winner is Intel.

[@blackbirdpctech]

The great thing about generating data is that you can use it to support your recommendations ... you don't have to base it on an opinion. When you look at the gaming performance the 1% lows, which is something most people will notice, are significantly higher with the 7800X3D. This is in addition to the averages that are not insignificant (>5%). Then when you include cost this advantage increases further. So while you are correct in saying that applications run better on the 14700K (as I stated in my video), it is inferior in gaming and not by a small margin. And yes, you will definitely notice the increase in 1% lows so no, the real winner is the 7800X3D. That said the 14700K is a great chip, it's simply priced poorly ... if Intel dropped the price by $50 then it would be much more competitive in gaming efficiency. I would also recommend the 14700K over the 14900K given the recent instability issues.

[@CourageOO7]

Hey Matt, I have a question. Have you used modern AMD and Intel CPU's extensively over a long period of time? Not just benchmarking. As you know I game, but I also do video editing and various productivity activities for work/hobbies. I chose to go with a xx700 series Intel CPU, because I thought it might be a better all-around CPU. But, now I'm thinking I may have made a mistake (and I'm running 64GB of awesome RAM, so I won't be switching, I don't think). Question; have you noticed any significant differences between the 2 platforms in terms of stability? Have you found them to be equally stable or do you have a preference when using your computer for various activities? Thanks!

[@blackbirdpctech]

That is a great question but damn it’s loaded. I’ve used both chips extensively for gaming and work. The advantage for stability used to be with Intel but now my work stations are 7950X’s … AMD has really come a long way. For gaming the 7800X3D is an obvious choice and I’ve never had any stability issues with it. I had some issues with my 5900x and 5950x systems from prior gen, but nothing crazy. The 14900k is a killer gaming chip but it’s super inefficient … unless you enforce all Intel limits in bios. I don’t think you made a mistake because early in the 7000 series release AM5 had some teething problems, especially with memory, but that appears to have been resolved. The reality is both chips are great but I would definitely give AMD the edge at the moment.

[@CourageOO7]

@@blackbirdpctech Roger that. Food for thought for the future, I suppose. I have to say, the XTX with lots of RAM and 12700 makes for a solid video editing combo. With the XTX upgrade, my encoding times probably decreased by 50%. It was a pretty awesome upgrade. I think the 24GB of video memory is a big factor. Hope you're doing well! I've been meaning to reach out, but work has been pretty slamming.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Awesome and the AV1 encoding helps too. Sounds good, hope you are doing well!

[@CourageOO7]

@@blackbirdpctech Oh I forgot about hardware encoder. Duh. Good point.

[@wun12]

Great video comparing the two cpu's. I'm currently unsure of which of those CPU's to get with my next build. I will be using the PC various uses and not purely gaming. I would be using the PC for photo and video editing and processing, possibly video conversion, and work. Will be using multiple applications at the same time so I'm kind of torn in between the two. Do you have a recommendation?

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thanks, for what you are describing I would recommend the 14700K over the 7800X3D. The 14700K is a better all around chip, especially for video editing. That said, if you want to go AMD then there are other options to consider at around the same price point, such as the 7900X … it won’t be as good as the 7800X3D in gaming but will be much better in applications.

[@wun12]

@@blackbirdpctech thanks for the super quick response! Actually the prebuilt machine I was looking at is the i7-14700F and not the K. Is there much of a difference? Just subscribed!

[@blackbirdpctech]

I wouldn’t get the F model, it doesn’t have an iGPU and that will be helpful when editing and rendering video content. Welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community!

[@TalonsTech]

You didn't get lucky with your IMC on the 14700K. You are using a Z690/first gen LGA 1700 board. Those Z690 4 dimm boards are known to top out around 7000. Had you used a good Z790 refresh board, you would have been around 7600-7800 for a 4 dimm board and 8400 for a 2 dimm board.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Yes, you are correct about using a z690 and that being a limiting factor. I did a video using an apex with a 13900ks and memory at 8000, so I am familiar with the z790 boards. That said I did test my 14700k on a z790 and I still had stability issues with XMP settings, so I do have a chip with a lower quality IMC. Thanks for your comment.

[@raynathanielcaparas8064]

I went from an i9 13900k to a 7800x3d. Games are faster but i feel an input lag with amd. Is it normal? Intel just feels snappier overall

[@blackbirdpctech]

That's interesting, I have multiple systems and I don't really notice a difference. What memory are you using on your 7800X3D and do you have the latest chipset drivers from AMD installed?

[@Pandemonium088]

I do not have any input lag with AMD but the AMDip is there when gaming which is annoying.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@Pandemonium088 I'm planning on exploring the "dip" more so I'm curious, what monitor refresh rate and resolution are you using when you experience it? And are you running your 7800X3D (assuming that's what you have) at stock settings?

[@Loky_8]

@@Pandemonium088 zero dips on my rig (7800x3d +4090) ram speed 6400 cl30 and infinity fabric at 2166

[@glenndoiron9317]

I own both systems (14700K and 7800X3D) and I also notice that the Intel system never hesitates or lags when browsing (response is always INSTANT), and it seems that the same use case on the 7800X3D has input lag. Heck, sometimes on the AMD system, even creating a comment like this on KZbin sometimes reminds me of the days of 300 baud BBS's, and I never get that experience on any of the 10th+ gen intel systems I have access to. You're not alone in feeling this. It would be nice if someone could quantify this and figure out why the AMD system has this lag, especially for web browsing. (Both systems have 64GB DDR5 and high end video cards (3080TI / 7900XTX)). It might have something to do with the Intel system having 20 (or more on the14th gen i9) actual cores to work on Edge's threads and the AMD only having 8, but that's speculation. It's obvious that the extra cache on the 7800X3D isn't doing anything for web browsing.

[@techluvin7691]

that’s a no brainer……..even for a rocket scientist. Remember all that heat coming out of those rockets…..well…….that’s Intel CPU’s. It’s no contest when you take the heat issues and power draws into consideration

[@blackbirdpctech]

Ok, that is a pretty funny comment 😂

[@cks2020693]

the fact I only need a 240mm AIO for 7800x3d makes it a no brainer

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thermals are definitely a consideration

[@kotztotz3530]

I'd love to see Intel do a 3D v cache CPU. To be fair, the 14700k isn't a gaming CPU. It's targeted more towards creators/professionals who need the multi core performance.

[@finger00]

It games just fine 😉

[@blackbirdpctech]

I would like to see that too however I disagree that the 14700k isn’t for gaming, it’s priced and marketed at gamers with the added benefit of doing well in applications. It certainly didn’t do poorly in the benchmark comparison, I simply think it’s priced wrong.

[@dystopia-usa]

I stopped buying Intel CPU's after my 2015 system build (which did use Intel) years ago, due to their shady/suspect "bad faith" business practices. Same with NVidia these days. It does make choosing my core computer build components much more streamlined & easy now. 😆

[@blackbirdpctech]

You should find my video for next week interesting 😉

[@Optikification]

Which would be better for photo processing with lightroom and photoshop and also gaming? My understanding more cores (i7 14k) would be better.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Photo editing is not typically super demanding on your processor ... unless you are rendering a huge image. Video editing and rendering will stress your system and this is where more cores and an iGPU can be helpful. If you really are just editing photos and gaming then I would still recommend the 7800X3D ... if you plan to do video editing and rendering then I would recommend the 14700K.

[@Optikification]

@@blackbirdpctech Thanks for the info, currently i do not do video editing (yet) so the AMD sounds like the way to go for now.

[@nightops4ever]

Yet to find similar boards where the Intel loses ... I'm finding a ~14% cost increase for same-type boards (Asus Z790 Hero vs Asus X670E Hero) if I want to go the AMD route, which more than makes up for the cost savings in going with Intel. That being said, my cooling bill for my house may make up for that fairly quickly, lol...

[@blackbirdpctech]

It's definitely valid to consider the cost of the motherboard and RAM. If you look at the latest generation Z790 boards (the ones that launched with 14th gen CPUs) they are very similar in price to the X670e board (i.e. an MSI X670e ACE vs an MSI Z790 ACE MAX). Early on when AM5 launched the only option was X670e which was/is expensive but now the B650e options have significantly lowered the cost of entry. For RAM you can extract max performance from AM5 CPUs with 6000MT/s CL30 whereas for Intel you should go faster with something like 7200MT/s CL34 or better. You also have two dimm motherboard options for Intel but unfortunately those options don't really exist for AMD (i.e. the Apex). The only chips from Intel that I wouldn't recommend for gaming are the i9's given the recent issues ... the 14700K is a better option IMO.

[@refiex1966]

On fortnite lowest settings 1080p do I want 14700k or the 7800x3d, would be doing good overclocks and cooling for intel also

[@blackbirdpctech]

It depends on what else you would want to do with your pc, but if you are primarily gaming particularly at lower resolutions then you should get a 7800X3D ... even more so now with the issues with higher-end Intel CPU's.

[@juannoguera3613]

Im late but how on earth is Bruce Buffer here???

[@blackbirdpctech]

He is a great guy … was super supportive when I asked him to do it 😉

[@juannoguera3613]

@@blackbirdpctech That’s amazing, great content btw 🫶🏻

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thanks, much appreciated.

[@ronthapaofficial2796]

I want to purchase new porcessor for music production and video editing please help me choose which processor i should go for

[@blackbirdpctech]

For video editing I would get the 14700K.

[@ronthapaofficial2796]

@@blackbirdpctech thank you brother 💗✨

[@animecoaldragon565]

I will be building a PC when I get the and I am stuck between an AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d and an Intel i7 14700k. I will be doing gaming while using Discord as an application to communicate with players and maybe using browsing to look up information. I may also stream Twitch or KZbin on top of that too. Which CPU should I choose for that?

[@blackbirdpctech]

Great question, I need to figure out how to incorporate a use case like this into my benchmark suite. I think for this use case the 14700K would be the right answer based on some examples I've seen online ... the additional cores can help mitigate the drop in FPS that will happen when running multiple applications. You could also consider a 7950X3D as well if you really want to stick with AMD. Hope that helps.

[@mesut7825]

What if I tell you that in my country, 7800x3D is 490$ and the 14700K is 415$. With this price difference would you still pick Amd? Thanks.

[@blackbirdpctech]

If you use those numbers at 1080p the 14700K would have a 10% advantage in value for average FPS while the 1% lows would be almost identical, so yes at those prices I would recommend the 14700K over the 7800X3D. What country are you from?

[@mesut7825]

@@blackbirdpctech I live in Turkey. Boxed cpu prices are so high here. I’ve got i7 for 415$ few days ago (with a short time discount). Btw I play 4k games with Rtx 4080. So I don’t see a reason to buy Amd for myself. Do you agree with me? Thanks for the reply.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I completely agree, particularly at 4K … sounds like you have a great system.

[@wolflegendgaming8420]

is the i7 14700k a good upgrade from an i7 9700k?cause I already ordered parts

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s a huge upgrade that will significantly improve your performance, so I wouldn’t be concerned.

[@wolflegendgaming8420]

@@blackbirdpctech I've got a question maybe you'd be able to answer. I ruined something in my system while overclocking the CPU, and now the debug code on my motherboard shows D4, so i removed a stick of ram and now only sometimes (once every couple times I restart the pc) it shows that D4 error. It's important to note that while D4 is displayed, gaming is impossible due to hard crashes and freezes. Obviously I returned all the settings to stock settings on the motherboard. What could be the cause ?

[@blackbirdpctech]

It's impossible to target exactly what the issue is but if you increased the voltage too much while overclocking then it's possible you could have permanently damaged the CPU, motherboard and/or RAM. Best case scenario is that you damaged the RAM, so I would start there and try replacing it to see if the error code goes away. If you haven't already done so then make sure you clear the CMOS ... that should be your new starting point. When you get a stable baseline setup in Bios make sure you save it before messing around. If it's not the RAM then you will need to check the CPU ... only way to really do that is to replace it. If it's not the CPU then it will likely be the motherboard, which is obviously worst case.

[@wolflegendgaming8420]

@@blackbirdpctech something weird is happening on my pc actually, I wanted to make sure it was the ram that's causing this error, and so I reinstalled that stick of ram I took out to see if I get that D4 code. Weird part is I didn't. And the system booted up just fine with A0 code. Could it be possible that the system fixed itself? Cause I'm at a loss herr

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s possible the RAM dimm wasn’t seated properly in the slot … that would be a best case scenario. Probably a good idea to stress test your pc in your favorite game to check.

[@H3LGH4STH]

Should i sell my 14700k and get a 7800x3d?

[@blackbirdpctech]

I definitely wouldn’t do that … the 14700K is the best Intel cpu option at the moment and it wouldn’t make sense to switch for a relatively small gain in performance.

[@H3LGH4STH]

Thanks Master! ​@@blackbirdpctech

[@No_Entiendo.]

Have a i5 13600 kf now. Would it be a noticable upgrade to i714700/13700? Game @1440p with 4070ti super.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I haven’t tested the 13600k but based on other reviews I don’t think that would be a worthwhile upgrade for gaming.

[@Nirmk]

if u are just playing game the 7800x3d is good but if u are doing more than gaming the 7800x3d is barely better than a 5800x in multi core 14700k shreds this cpu and is on par with 7950 multi

[@izil1fe]

7800X3D is a clear winner.

[@blackbirdpctech]

It's an amazing chip ... the best gaming chip I have ever used in terms of performance, power and cost.

[@milosjankovic9271]

can you test them in WOW - Dragonflight ?

[@milosjankovic9271]

and of course great video!

[@blackbirdpctech]

Let me look into it … I haven’t played WOW for a long time 😉

[@milosjankovic9271]

@@blackbirdpctech thanks, I am interested to see especially in raids or main city area (Valdraken) with a lot of other players in spot, which performs better.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Dragons dogma 2 might be a good test for that based on what I saw from GN … it is super cpu intensive in city areas with lots of people.

[@tommypearson9260]

Brother you don't need to turn off e-cores the problem with DDR5 you need to tune three voltages SA VDDQ and VDRAM SA at least 1.2800 VDDQ 1.44-1.45V VDRAM 1.42v or Higher you will lock in 7200 very easily

[@blackbirdpctech]

I hear you, when I’m tweaking intel systems I typically turn of e-cores because they don’t add value in gaming and I’ve had much better luck getting DDR5 memory stable with them off. That said, I could get the memory “Karhu” stable by increasing the voltages you mentioned but I don’t think most people would be willing to do that, so I wanted to show results for an XMP solution. Appreciate your comment.

[@hectorgonzalez4792]

Idk 🤷🏽‍♂️. I still would like to see a video with tuned ddr5 timings. My 14900k runs great paired with 7600 ddr5 24 hour karhu stable 1.4v with secondary and tertiary timings tightly.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@hectorgonzalez4792 I have a video comparing DDR5-8000 with DDR5-6000 on a 13900KS (aka 14900K), both running EXPO ... the challenge with showing data for tuned timings is that it will be very IMC dependent ... it would however be helpful to show how to optimize timings ... that's something I could do in the future.

[@Thebossreserve]

Can you do this on a z690 strix with a 14900k?

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@ThebossreserveI’m currently doing some memory testing on a z690 extreme with a 14900k … memory is at 7200 but I still had to increase voltages in order to get it stable … the IMC is better than the 14700k but the motherboard lets it down.

[@user-ed6pb8ru8p]

im runin a 14700k 7200 g.skill dd5 32gb msi edge z790 990 samsung 2tb msi 4080 super die clamp and a 360 aio 0 problems very stable but i dont clock it

[@blackbirdpctech]

I haven’t experienced any issues with my 14th gen systems either.

[@RaiDen_Not0P]

Should i build my pc now or wait for new series cpu and gpu total budget around $1800

[@blackbirdpctech]

Timing is always tough, even with new products on the way. My advice is to buy when you need it. The problem with new products is that it can be tough to get them when they release, which means you could be waiting another month or longer after the announced availability date. That said, if Intel Battlemage is actually at a 4080 level of performance at $500 then that would be a great option for you … but I think that won’t be available until November at the earliest.

[@HiQualityH2O]

The 7800x3d beats the 14900ks In some games lol

[@blackbirdpctech]

It really is an amazing chip in terms of performance and value.

[@anttimaki6633]

literally any Hynix RAM kit OC @ 7200++ C34 and tiny touching (bringing it down) on Intel's rather high (over 1.45V) stock voltages, will result in very different results - using 6000MHz RAM as stock on Intel is like driving a car with hand-brake on, but who am I to judge lmao

[@blackbirdpctech]

Not sure I really understand what it is that you are trying to say ... I used 6000 CL30 for the 7800X3D and 7000 CL34 for the 14700K, and I explained in the video why I intentionally selected EXPO/XMP without further tweaking. I also have two recent videos showing the performance difference between 6000 and 8000 RAM on both Intel and AMD systems. I may have missed your point, so please explain further if I did.

[@anttimaki6633]

@@blackbirdpctech Sorry then, I missed completely RAM settings on Intel, just went somehow with assumption that both were tested on 6000MHz CL30. Anyway, 12700K @ 1.19V 4900MHz was quite nice compared to ~1.45V 4600MHz allcore (stock), on my DDR4 4000 flat 16's, it gave some 23800pts in CBr23 multi - watts at

[@blackbirdpctech]

No problem ... my last video compared DDR4-3600 CL14 vs DDR5-7200 CL34 on Z690 boards with a 14900K (I used the exact same CPU and GPU for both to eliminate any performance impact due to the CPU or GPU, and I also enforced all Intel limits on the CPU on both boards). It is amazing just how poorly most motherboard vendors configure Intel CPU's with Auto settings ... they basically let it overheat and cripple the performance ... it's remarkably stupid. I need to play around more with the 14700K to see how I can extract max performance per watt.

[@anttimaki6633]

@@blackbirdpctech I ran that 12700k+MSI Z690-A Pro D4 about 1 year without any crashes or what so ever weird behaviour. 1.18V sometimes had some hiccups but that 1.19V was really the lowest I would call stable, since overnight test marathons didn't crash etc. RAMTest (Karhu software, from RAM OC stability) and plenty of other benches used, the most common ones. Now throwing in Teamgroup T-Create 5600 C40 (the jedec spec, Hynix M most likely, 10layer PCB) and see what Z790 Tomahawk can do, goal is that 7200 C34 but time will tell. Running with 12700KF this time... Unless getting a 7800X3D and a mobo. In my previous comment, the ram I had was cheap 3200 C15-15-15 TridentZ 2x16. Paid 400eur for a 128Gb (8x16 kit) :D then sold 2x16 pieces to friends cheap - OFC I said there's no warranty coz the kit is split. GSkill demands whole kit for RMA if even a single stick has issues.

[@anttimaki6633]

@@blackbirdpctech Der8auer had some nice older review of a 13900K UV&UC vs 5800X3D, and in his results Intel yielded with 3.11fps/W and AMD 2.65fps/W - Sure a 7800X3D is quite different story, no doubt on that. I have to say would be really interesting video topic to see a 13700k-14900k (some with 8 P-cores) to be undervolted with stock allcore-frequency... And then this is compared to a 7800X3D which has some -20-30 CO aswell. Can't comment too much on the PBO, you do your's. :D Mby I would keep it OFF since Intel's frequencies are not touched either. But have ram something 7000MHz on Intel and some ~6000 C30 on AMD.

[@KirillNeko]

So, you necked down i7-14700K for this test.... Bruh.....

[@blackbirdpctech]

I don’t understand what you mean?

[@ZaricheYruga]

I wonder because the 7800XD uses more % than intel so bottleneck would be faster if I use more powerfull GPU components in the future because of the core numbers and threats

[@blackbirdpctech]

Not sure how you came to that conclusion but based on the data that I generated for my bottleneck video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYTCf6BoeNdsgK8 it appears that in two of the three games the load for the 7800X3D was less than the 14700K. This is why it is always a good idea to use data to form an argument, sometimes it will surprise you.

[@ZaricheYruga]

@@blackbirdpctech saw in many videos i7 14700k was like 33% usage and this one like 57%+

[@blackbirdpctech]

I tested these thoroughly albeit in only a few games ... it's tough to compare two games by simply looking at on-screen usage during gameplay ... you really need to use monitoring data and measure the usage over a period of time under the exact same conditions.

[@KingArthusSs]

Stay away from overclocking, especially with the 7800x3D ps INTEL sucks for Gaming

[@blackbirdpctech]

I haven’t had much luck with overclocking the 7800X3D … undervolting helps a little but it’s a well optimized chip out of the box.

[@necromancer263]

For me productivity is primary, so im looking towards the 14700. But i was wondering if you can still cool that power chugging monster with a dual tower air cooler, i really dont like AIOs, i had a bad experience with one and i really don't want another high maintenance machine.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Absolutely, something like the NH-D15 can cool it effectively. The mistake a lot of people make with Intel chips is to install them and leave their motherboard settings on Auto, which typically expands the power limit beyond reasonable levels. So if you go into your motherboard Bios and enforce Intel limits or even set a temperature limit, the performance impact will be minimal and your temps will be great. The motherboard vendors do an injustice to these chips in the way they setup their Auto features on their boards.

[@Benz93x]

Don't forget to undervolt it too. Start off with minis 0.02500

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@Benz93x if you run the Intel power profile do you still benefit from undervolting? Just curious as to the impact with both.

[@Benz93x]

@blackbirdpctech I haven't tried that, but I have mine set to bios optimise, and core voltage - 0.1000. It goes to 1.154v and it's very stable. Haven't tried the intel profile and don't think I would need to as the voltages are low and clock speeds are stable.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@Benz93xI was watching buildzoid and he said something super interesting … the higher end intel CPU’s are crashing due to lack of voltage … I need to mess around with my 14900ks and see what settings work best

[@lilunchengsmiles]

That hasn’t been able to explain the recent sudden shift of user bases from AMD Ryzen to Intel Core according to Pudget recent survey 2024. The shift happened when core 13 series were introduced. Not sure the main reason. All I know is that Intel CPU had significant advantages in video editing due to the quick sync which does have noticeable differences. For gaming, FPS 150 vs 160? Who cares.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Interesting, will look that survey up. I know that Adobe products are optimized for Intel CPU’s and can take advantage of their iGPU’s. You may be surprised how much some people are willing to pay for a 10 fps boost 😉

[@lilunchengsmiles]

@@blackbirdpctech the Threadripper still dominates Xeon in workstation according to the Pudget report. Just seems interesting that the consumer grade CPU trend has been reversed.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Does it include mobile CPU’s? It would be interesting to see desktop and laptop data separately. I believe that Intel is still in a dominant position with laptops.

[@adgurkan]

Take notes userbenchmark…

[@blackbirdpctech]

UserBenchmark and online Bottleneck calculators ... the bane of every PC users existence 😉

[@Todd-um9bo]

I realized gaming is dead so I quit gaming. The 14700k is the best choice for programmers.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Why do you think gaming is dead?

[@Todd-um9bo]

​@@blackbirdpctechI guess it feels like gaming isn't as exciting anymore because I've gotten older since I was really into it. Even though gaming is still going strong, it just doesn't get me as pumped up as it used to.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I can appreciate that … I think for me it’s just different from when I was younger … my time is more valuable so I expect more from a game now versus then … something like Baldur’s Gate 3 is game I am willing to spend time on now

[@adi6293]

7800X3D WTF !! :D

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s always nice to have data to back it up 😉

[@adi6293]

@@blackbirdpctech Yes it is , I have one and its great , I love that you don't have to overclock it to get maximum performance out of it , I don't have the time for it any more like I did when I was 20 😅

[@blackbirdpctech]

Agreed, I think that is one of its biggest strengths … it just performs like a champ right out of the box, no tweaking, no screwing around.

[@alausvergas]

Can you suggest me please what would be the best choice for adobe apps --> Lightroom/photoshop/illustrator..... (I also game a bit but not too much) At the moment i have ryzen 5800x.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I believe that Intel has an advantage in these apps because Adobe has designed their apps to work better with Intel CPU’s, but that’s something you will have to verify with someone that uses these apps extensively.

[@alausvergas]

@@blackbirdpctech Thank you very much for your answer. I'm just a bit scared of intel because they are running so hot. Will i notice huge difference between 5800x and 7800X3D? GPU i'm using now is GTX 1070 Ti (No cash at the moment to invest into something new).

[@blackbirdpctech]

I don't blame you ... you will see a large benefit for gaming with the 7800X3D but not a huge productivity gain. You could get a 5800X3D if you want a gaming boost without having to replace your motherboard and ram.

[@alausvergas]

@@blackbirdpctech Can you then maybe suggest what CPU would be crazy for productivity? Because that's what is most important for me now and long term.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Sure, why don't you get a 5950x ... you could keep your existing motherboard and ram. If you want to upgrade your platform then consider a 7900X. Those are the two options that I would go for if productivity is your focus.

[@skinder842]

Former rocket scientist, sure bud

[@blackbirdpctech]

I get it, there are a lot of scams and fraudsters online. My first video shows my origin story in detail … you can quite literally verify it all on Google given that I was a senior executive at Lockheed Martin and Booz Allen. People think rocket science is tough … try posting on KZbin and getting people to subscribe 😉

[@2DEZstb]

now an x3d?.....intel, what?....wait 3 months and zen5... rocket scientist 😂

[@blackbirdpctech]

Can you confirm when Zen 5 will be available? If you wait for the next big thing you will always be waiting because there will always be something better coming.

[@KaiChenoz]

7800X3D is much better

[@blackbirdpctech]

In gaming it’s truly amazing!

[@germylicious]

i stopped watching when he said to use software to overclock a cpu.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Intel XTU has the same options as Bios but allows you to test changes much more rapidly. Software like Hydra is a great way to optimize an AMD system and again, it’s much more efficient and effective versus manually making changes in bios. I always recommend testing in software before applying in bios, but by all means if you want to waste your time making changes in bios, rebooting and testing then you do you.

[@jessepriest8307]

Zotac cards are dogshit

[@blackbirdpctech]

That is the only Zotac card I own and it performs well

[@glharlor]

7800x3d unless you are a fool. The amd platform has a future. The intel platform is dead.

[@AphillyatedYT]

Na the 14700k is better….. intel chipset is different and you have to slot the nvme in the bottom slots or your Gpu will run at 8x 4.0 big mistake on the KZbinrs

[@blackbirdpctech]

For the Maximus Z690 Extreme motherboard that I used for testing the 14700K in this video I used the DIMM.2 slot for my SSDs, so the GPU was operating in full x16 mode for all testing. In the future it would be better to ask instead of assume that all KZbinrs are wrong. And no, the 14700K is not a better buy for gaming.

[@adonromadhon3630]

the most stupid question let alone it's a video title lol

[@blackbirdpctech]

Why is it a stupid question? Correction, why is it the “most stupid” question 😂

[@robertvansteinshwaga]

14700k ftw. Runs cooler while gaming. Wins or barely loses in anything above 1080p.......

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s a good chip, basically the only meaningful upgrade from 13th gen since they added some e-cores, I just wish Intel would be a bit more aggressive on price given the performance of the 7800X3D.

[@Dexion845]

Runs cooler than what? 7800X3D uses half the power consumption, he even said this himself in the video. You NEED DDR5-7000 to "win" a 7% deficit in a 12-Game Average? Did you skip the video? I don't even know why you'd get this over a 13700K at least you're saving money the difference between the two is within a margin of error. But no sir 7800X3D by a wide margin is undefeated in gaming, in a hybrid gaming and productivity PC? That 13700K or 13900K is your best bet.

[@robertvansteinshwaga]

@@Dexion845 At idle lol. Try actually running a game.

[@hectorgonzalez4792]

I actually agree my 14900k runs around 2 degrees from the water temp at idle usually 26 27 degrees and playing games usually stays around 40 to 50 degrees. Im running a 360 aio.

[@S1N1CAL]

Short answer, if you're planning to stay at 1080p for the forseeable future, go with 7800X3D. 1440p and 4K should choose Intel as its nearly the same but more powerful in other less common circumstances like heavy multicore usage.

[@blackbirdpctech]

There is a significant benefit at 1440p as well ... at 4K the performance is dominated by the GPU, so the CPU in most games doesn't matter as much (with high graphics settings). I would only consider paying more for the 14700K if you are editing videos and/or streaming while gaming.

[@S1N1CAL]

@@blackbirdpctech Or recording, or want to have 2 games open at once for some reason, or using things like blender and after affects, or use virtual machines, or run a local game server on your pc. Theres alot of use cases where the 14700K is a better choice. It's not talked about enough.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@S1N1CAL I covered applications in my video but when it comes to games, most are still not well optimized to leverage more than a few cores ... this is one of the reasons why Intel is dropping hyperthreading on their next gen chips. The reason I specifically use video editing as a good use case for the 14700K is that the Intel iGPU can be leveraged by software like Adobe Premiere to speed up the process. The 7800X3D has an iGPU as well however Intel has done a good job paying other companies to favor their features.