Is The RTX 4090 Really Worth It?

[@davidjames4583]

I'm very glad I found this channel. I'm currently running an RTX 4070 and didn't have those "secret settings" turned on. What a difference. I subbed for sure. Thank you . 🖥

[@blackbirdpctech]

You are very welcome … great to have you as part of the BPT community!

[@Onyx1776]

I have a 4080 a and doing those settings ousted my pc to another 20fps lol

[@ceuser3555]

Tech devices get outdated quickly. I bought the 3090 during the shortage period so it was overpriced, way over the msrp. 4090 is bigger, heavier, and pricier. Nvidia has become the scalper themselves. If they do it every year, they can massively increase their revenue and boost economic growth because people will buy them anyway. It’s like nvidia unleashed.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Agreed, I am pretty sure they will price the upcoming 5090 at $1,999 ... we need competition at the high-end to force Nvidia down otherwise they will just keep increasing prices.

[@ceuser3555]

Either that or non-patronage.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@ceuser3555for that to work it would have to be in large numbers … I think that would only happen if/when there is robust competition … perhaps we will finally get that with AMD 8000 series and Intel Celestial … my guess is that when Intel finally releases a strong gpu they will raise prices too.

[@bernl178]

I 100% wholeheartedly. Agree with your statement.

[@thehimself4056]

Indeed we need someone to step up the top tier to give Nvidia competition. Obviously AMD doesn’t seem to care to do it. Hopefully battlemage intel will do it. Come on intel, your our only hope.

[@blurry9744]

Im using the 4080s with a 7800x3d cpu, couldnt be happier, and the powerdraw from these are really low, I put 70% powerlimit on my 4080s and it rarely goes over 220w, as well as rarely going above 55-60 celsius in load, so its awesome in every aspect.

[@blackbirdpctech]

It's a great card, thanks for watching!

[@formulaic78]

I have exact same setup. Wag planning on just upgrading the GPU but when I found it didn't fit in my existing case I built a while new system in an H6 Flow case. Pricy but love it. Didn't consider the 4090 cos it's simply too much to spend on something I'm gonna want to replace at least every second generation.

[@User415-w9r]

Have a PC on its way with this exact same setup. Glad to hear this. Is 4k60 pretty easy to reach consistently?

[@blurry9744]

@@User415-w9r I shouldve mentioned, in my case, I play on 1440p since I dont have a 4k monitor, atleast yet, but reaching 60 fps shouldnt be a problem in most games no, depending on settings of course

[@formulaic78]

​@@User415-w9rno problem at all. Just finished Avatar at 4K ultra dlss3.5 performance 115fps pretty much locked. Now playing resident evil 4 remake at 4K max settings including ray tracing no DLSS and getting 80-110fps. On my 3080 I had to enable a DLSS mod to get those numbers without the ray tracing on.

[@Someguy7488]

4070Ti went to my kid. I got the 4080. It felt good until I tried to play games at maximum. I noticed some framed dips and I just got frustrated. I had 32 gigs of memory at the time I went to 64 gigs. I went from a regular monitor to a curved OLED monitor. I have never looked back the 4090 with the water cool CPU is pure entertainment.

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s a great card … what did you do with your 4080?

[@TheT0nedude]

I have 64 gig as well but saying that for games at the moment it really is overkill.

[@CaptainSugarToes]

Wait you still have the 4080 super? You just got a better monitor and higher ram?

[@dishdoggiegaming7254]

Thank You Sir. You just launched me to the moon. Good advice and I turned on the settings and Wow it looks so much better now. My last System update went to GEFORCE RTX AERO 4090 with a Ryzen 7 5800X3D & 64 GB runs awesome good.

[@blackbirdpctech]

You are very welcome … thanks for watching!

[@FinanceFinance-u6p]

I just picked up my 4090 (upgraded from 4070 TI that I am putting in my streaming PC) Wednesday. I say it is 100% worth it as long as you can afford it. I also plan to not upgrade for 4 or 5 years as well.

[@blackbirdpctech]

If your upgrade cycle is over 3 years then I think it makes way more sense to get the best card you can … do you notice a big performance uplift over the 4070?

[@ZedX14Pilot]

Best video I have seen on this subject yet. Subscribed as well. The only gripe I have is that Hitman is not included in the benchmark comparison. Big help in deciding which way to go.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you, really appreciate your comment. I am constantly looking to update the games in my benchmark suite, so I will take a look at Hitman.

[@r.d.x7403]

If you work with machine learning and/or engineering works, then the 4090 is totally worth it. The 24GB of ECC VRAM is an essential for some tasks. And obviously, occasional 4K gaming is nice too.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Completely agree … it’s a great entry level AI/ML card.

[@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykov]

If you work with ML gaining 4x3090 is shit ton more reasonable than having one 4090

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@SergeiSugaroverdoseShuykovbased on current used prices wouldn’t that cost much more than one 4090?

[@mrquicky]

I'm of the same opinion. 12 GB of VRAM is the minimum for most ML tasks. The 16 GB of a 4080 will cover most tasks, but some large language models require a minimum of 20 GB of VRAM in order to work. Get a 90 series if you're working with AI models. Even the 3090 or 3090 Ti is more useful than a 4080 for AI.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Good video. I got my 4090 at it's mrsp right before the Chinese embargo happened. A month later, the same 4090 was around a 1/3 more in price and it's stayed that price at that particular retailer.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you ... your timing was amazing ... it really is a great card, I just wish there was a direct competitor so that Nvidia was pushed to lower prices.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

@@blackbirdpctechI had heard about the upcoming Chinese embargo and I knew I had to get it then or I wasn't probably ever getting it. China has around 1/5 of the human population and embargo/prohibition always drive prices up because of demand and often lowers available supple for everyone else. I agree about the competition and pricing.

[@jungleboy1]

same bud, i got mine just around $1200 USD, if i had waited 2 more weeks it skyrocketed to lik $2k

[@lilunchengsmiles]

RTX 4090 totally is worth since I am AI engineer and this card is the cheapest option for me to train large model. The next option will be $5000 workstation GPU. AMD just doesn’t have equivalent CUDA framework.

[@blackbirdpctech]

For AI it becomes a cheaper low-end option that also allows you to game, so for that use case it's an obvious choice. Do you have more than one to train algorithms?

[@lilunchengsmiles]

@@blackbirdpctech that is the point. For example, many models, such as Llama-2 70-b, for inference, I can’t fit in one RTX 4090, then it needs two RTX 4090 to fit the quantized model. That option is very competitive compared to the slight better option of spending $8000 to buy a single RTX 6000 ada GPU. Because fitting into a single GPU is always a better option but the cost is really high.

[@lilunchengsmiles]

@@blackbirdpctech Running dual RTX 4090s requires a robust cooling solution, like water cooling, due to limited space for airflow between the cards which can cause high heat output. Blower-style air cooling is an alternative but tends to be louder. Additionally, a workstation-grade motherboard is necessary for optimal performance and stability. Even with these considerations and potential additional costs for cooling and a suitable motherboard, the total expense remains lower than opting for a single RTX 6000 Ada

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@lilunchengsmilesvery cool … checkout the DARPA Alpha Dogfight program on KZbin … it was a while ago now but that my AI team from Lockheed Martin competed in it and got to the final … fun times.

[@lilunchengsmiles]

@@blackbirdpctech nice! Lockheed Martin has always had a special place in my heart; it was the first company to extend a job offer to me upon my graduation from college. The position was based in Binghamton, NY, and involved flight control systems (if I remember correctly). I always dreamed of working on some of their secret projects. However, the reality of my family being settled in California meant that I chose to remain in Silicon Valley instead.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

The dual NVENC render cores are insane for single PC streaming and game capture and thankfully the 4080 also has that full feature.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Appreciate the add, thanks.

[@lsik231l]

I'm upgrading from a 1080 Ti and decided on the 4080 Super. I can't justify the extra 4090 cost for 1440p-high refresh rate gaming. My monitor is 165 hz, and looks like 4080 Super won't completely cover that rate for 1% low in all games (with max settings). So, maybe this can be a "bridge" card if a 5000 series card beats/matches 4090 performance at a much lower cost. Wishful thinking haha.

[@blackbirdpctech]

The challenge for pricing will be the strength of the competition that Nvidia faces … I don’t think AMD or Intel will be competitive at the higher end for this coming generation so that doesn’t bode well for pricing. That said if Intel Battlemage is a strong performer it could set the stage for future price battles.

[@lsik231l]

@@blackbirdpctech Agreed, straight facts 💯

[@iKayorei]

4090 not worth for 1440p imo ofc it'll be better but I'd only consider it for 4k.

[@mrxcs]

Also, use DSR 4x and set your desktop to this resolution, then in the game, use DLSS to go back to your native resolution, this will remove any shimmering, small artifacts and aliasing you might have, is the end game AA.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Interesting tip ... will check it out

[@zoolanderhansel]

Get the best gpu if you build a pc every 6 years like me. I went from 980ti to 4090. In 6 years i'll get 9090ti.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s a reasonable approach … must have been a huge performance uplift.

[@braidend4379]

That's my strategy. Still running my 1080ti and because it's mated to a 1080p screen it's still able to hit high / ultimate settings in basically all games and keep 60fps. Building my sons first dedicated gaming PC and have a 4090 paired with a 7800x3d on a 1440p screen so it will last him all of high school.

[@zoolanderhansel]

@@braidend4379 Luckiest son ever. Usually sons get hand me downs from dad lol. Hopefully he's old enough to appreciate the insane specs of that build.

[@braidend4379]

@zoolanderhansel Yeah, he appreciates it and will get a lot more use out of it than I would these days. Too busy earning the dollars to pay for these things to enjoy them like I used to unfortunately.

[@NinerJonny]

Great vid...love the "secret settings" 😁

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you, glad you liked it!

[@NowThatsPCGaming]

The xtx is the best way to go. With a higher end xtx like the Nitro+, you can get within 15-17% of the 4090 with some OCing. Great video. I am glad I found your channel

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you and I love my 7900 xtx nitro … in my opinion it’s the best 7900 on the market … I’ve been really impressed with the quality from Sapphire across multiple GPU’s … it’s now my top AMD GPU option.

[@ChuckNorris-yo3hu]

Except when it comes to RT and DLSS

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@ChuckNorris-yo3huis this the real Chuck Norris? 😉

[@quandingleberry445]

xtx is trash, sucks for blender and editing.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@quandingleberry445I wouldn’t call it trash … I think AMD, in an effort to compete, pushed it about as far as they could … we should be thankful that there is a competitor to the 4080 because without it Nvidia would have never dropped the price by $200. And that my friend is the issue with the 4090 … it has no direct competitor, hence the price.

[@hiroshi6699]

I just bought the 4080 Super yesterday. As an artist on a budget, I’ve been upgrading from my 5-year-old 2080 Ti and 9900K rig. I really wanted the 4090 and tried hard to justify the price, but in the end, it just didn’t make sense-especially with the 5090 release around the corner. The market is tough, and prices probably won’t drop even when the 5000 series arrives. Still, it feels much better to invest in a brand-new graphics card with a full warranty rather than spend that kind of money on a second-hand one in box for nearly 2 grand that comes with 0 warranty.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I think that was a smart choice, enjoy!

[@user-ic6xf]

Wow this was a very well made video for having on 3.5K subscribers... You earned a new sub.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you, appreciate the feedback and welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community!

[@Nebujin383]

1440p Gamer, and pretty happy with the 4080 Super. Nice comparison Video!

[@blackbirdpctech]

The 4080 Super is a great card, thanks for watching!

[@Dank_Engine]

Depends on your use case. I got a base model card on Day 1, and I was able to sell my 3090 to recoup some of the cost. For me, it's been a game changer. While every previous flagship card would run games at 4k, there were always compromises. The 4090 makes 2160p, high refresh gaming a reality and I couldn't be happier with my purchase.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Realistically I think the founders edition makes sense … the AiB models don’t really add any meaningful performance, just cost.

[@Dank_Engine]

@@blackbirdpctech Yep. Every time I see someone post their new right a 4090 Strix I die inside a little. That card costs $2000 and does the exact same thing my card does. RIP

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@Dank_Engine wait until you see my video for next week ... Asus will not be happy with me ;)

[@jimhalpert3409]

It’s crazy to me how expensive they’re putting their gpu’s. It’s the whole reason I went amd. It’s clearly not better but it’s much cheaper. A 7900 xt is literally over $500 CHEAPER than a 4090. It’s just insane to me how greedy they really are. And not to mention they purposefully put less vram in their brand new graphics cards so you’ll have to upgrade to play new games without it looking and performing bad.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I hear you … we need AMD and Intel to step up to the challenge and provide some strong direct competition to force Nvidia to reduce prices. The 7900 XTX forced Nvidia to drop the price of the 4080 Super, so it does work.

[@davidspangler7667]

Good video. Seems there is another reason why people would need a 4090. Vr flight swimming, especially depending on the vr headset. For 2d panel gaming, a 4090 is a waste of money. I have a 4090 with my pimax crystal. Was using a 7900xtx and was not getting the results I wanted. 4090 delivered

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thanks and yes, VR has come up a few times … I need to figure out how to include some VR games in my benchmark suite. If you have any suggestions let me know.

[@foxtrot.tango.whisky]

Mate, cheers for the video! I definitely appreciate the "underpromise & overdeliver ethos", that's a lot more than can be for most among a YT ocean of sensationalist clickbait titles and nonsensical thumbnails from content creators that oftentimes add nothing of value to the topic being discussed or the broader context of the narrative. This is the first vid I've seen of your's and you earned my sub off the back of this one video (a rarity these days)! Not gonna sugar coat it either, 1.73K subs seems hard to believe, I'm not sure how long you've had you're channel live (ngl, I can't be arsed to check as I'm busy tackling tweaks to my system)... regardless though, and yes, I have only seen 1 video, but if your others are anything close to similar in quality and value provided in the data presented, mate I'd be very surprised if you haven't seen +50K subs added (bare minimum) by this time next year... in fact, if you're going to continue dropping similar content as we head towards the NVidia's Blackwell release, if you stay on track and continue underpromising & overdelivering, the +subs number mentioned should easily be able to be multiplied by 3 at the lower end and, well, the sky is the limit to the upper-end mate!! Crack on with your thing mate and wishing you all the best with your YT endeavours over both the short-term & long-term! All the best fella 🍻

[@blackbirdpctech]

Really appreciate your feedback and welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community!

[@woltzwurld6760]

Regardless of the original question, thanks for explaining all of the terms…really helped.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Glad it was helpful!

[@stephanhart9941]

I'll wait for the 5090! The 4090 is a bit long in the tooth for a new purchase. I'm happy with my Nitro+ XTX for now.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I agree … it’s at the point now where I think a lot of people will choose to wait … that said, I don’t think Nvidia is in any rush to launch the 5000 series … unfortunately there is no direct competitor to the 4090. My prediction is that they will wait to launch the 5000 series in early 2025 at CES.

[@stephanhart9941]

@@blackbirdpctech imagine the butthurt on the poor rich kids that get 4080 supers for Christmas this year!

[@blackbirdpctech]

I've always found that the moment you buy a piece of tech is the moment that it becomes obsolete ... it sucks sometimes.

[@alkine3011]

​@@stephanhart9941They'll just buy the 5090/5080 when it comes out 2 months later.

[@nossy232323]

@@blackbirdpctechI think they will launch the RTX 5090 way before the rest of the RTX 50 line up, to pull more people into buying the ultra high end.

[@caribbaviator7058]

I bought a 4080 super over a week ago. I think the 4080 S is perfect for 1440p ultrawide high refresh rate monitor or super ultrawide.

[@blackbirdpctech]

What variant did you get?

[@xpodx]

What do you get on helldivers 2 maxed out native usually? Is that 3440x1440 240hz?

[@Goblue734]

I still say 4090 is worth it for longevity having more VRAM by whole 8 GB especially in the future at high resolutions that will come in my handy And the 4090 performs better with Ray tracing by a longshot

[@blackbirdpctech]

I hear that a lot and perhaps for the 4090 it makes some sense, but for most cards by the time you really need the vram your card will not have the power to perform at a level that makes sense.

[@Goblue734]

@@blackbirdpctech that’s true

[@surfx4804]

I loved the explanations in your vid. I look forward for more excellence - Subbed I think that if you consider the whole system, you don't need a 4090, you don't need a 7800x3d, and probably a bunch of other stuff. The 3090 was only slightly better than the 3080, that was not worth it. But the 4090 is substantially better than anything else, and you really need to be playing at 4k with it, where nothing is cheap.. even 4k OLED gaming monitors are in the same price range. One does not simply buy a 4090 - oh no there is a whole monster setup needed. Like you said near the end, some of us are not sensible. And as the Peugeot 205 GTi 1991 advert said "If you want something sensible buy an anorak"

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you and welcome to the BPT community!!

[@romzen]

I got me a 4080 Super but the 4070 Ti Super is even more efficient in terms of value. It will always come down to the individual gamer, what you need/want and are ready to pay.

[@blackbirdpctech]

My video for next week is on the 4070 Ti Super vs the 7900 XT ... pretty good battle.

[@InvestDiva]

Such an awesome video! Can’t wait for this channel to blow up. The overview of RT, DLSS and Reflex was super helpful too, thanks!

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you!!

[@frankiepoindexter445]

I appreciate all the work you did putting this informative video together. Unfortunately I can only afford a 4060 ti, which i just bought a few days ago for my first PC build since 2011. But I'll definitely be upgrading to a 4080 in the future, and checking out some of the optimized settings you mentioned in the future.

[@blackbirdpctech]

A 4060 Ti is a good card, you will enjoy gaming on it

[@frankiepoindexter445]

@@blackbirdpctech I've watched many videos with people saying that the 4060 ti isn't great, but from my understanding it's going to be over 65% more powerful than my MSI 2070 laptop, which is very enticing for what I'm doing with AI and emulation. Thanks for the reply. Subbed

[@blackbirdpctech]

Welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community! Don't worry about what other people say ... just look at the data and make the decision that is right for you ... most people that comment online have no idea what they are talking about.

[@jasonprendergast7493]

Simple. Answer, yes to both. The 4080 super is excellent and the 4090 is very much worth it! 😂

[@blackbirdpctech]

Fair enough

[@SmiFF_]

For me my current gtx 1070 ti was worth it for my 1080p .., what I don’t like is that they try ti sell you tools for your “expensive” gpu which by the amount of your money IT should behave and surpass any expectations not to need “extra” tools and gimmicks you “enhance” my sessions … last time I checked native resolution was the best, not that shitty blurry screen technique upscalers … and for my storytelling games I use my ps3,4 and 5 cause I still use them on a weekly base sometimes more than my PC which by they way I will die as a PC player since my early 90 … but console are made specifically for “gaming” … 1 configuration, 1 dedicated gaming OS compared to the vast majority of PCs ..: so to me is a HELL NO, the 4090 is not worth it

[@wiggyg7337]

Picking one up for £1350 still not worth it over it over the rtx 4080, considering can get the 4080 for £880, but im a sucker for more frames. Love how you stuck CoH3 into their!

[@blackbirdpctech]

I suffer from the same “need more frames” disease 😉

[@wiggyg7337]

@@blackbirdpctech I love it when creators actually respond or interact with their viewers got a sub

[@blackbirdpctech]

Welcome to the BPT community!!

[@J-Modz1]

Neat review of the PT/RT, DLSS, and Reflex Tech. It's virtually impossible to buy a 4080S or 4090 @ MSRP these days. And let's be honest, every single one of us yearns for more horsepower! We all want 4k gaming @ 240 FPS, with all the goodies turned on. :0)

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thanks and yes, it’s a PC enthusiast addiction to always want more … what I really want is path tracing at 120 fps at 8k … it’s going to be hard to tell the difference between the game and real life at that point 😉

[@silfrido1768]

I got super lucky on the way I got my white strix 4090. The guy only had it for 9 days after buying it for 2.2k at micro center. it also came with og all including the receipt. The only thing missing was the ring. Crazy part about it was he charged me below msrp. He charged me 1.6k lol. not to mention the receipt still has the 30 day return window active.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@silfrido1768he must have really needed to get rid of it fast because that’s a great deal for a strix.

[@silfrido1768]

@@blackbirdpctech yea man, when I saw the listing I couldn’t believe it. But it turned out to be 100% legit

[@zenos9302]

no market here in EU is now flooded with msrp cards 4080s. Some shops just ask more but there are shops selling for msrp.

[@korbinbattson4181]

I’m building my first PC. I have an Intel 14900-k installed, a Corsair CPU liquid cooler, 2 32g ram sticks, and a 1650W power supply. I still don’t know which GPU to get though. Everyone I’ve talked to says get the 4080, I would like to get a 4090, but they’re so darn expensive, and I hear that the 5090 might be released in like spring or summer next year. I want to do 4k gaming at 120fps and I want to do 4k, high quality animations on Blender. I don’t know whether to get a 4080 Super, get a 4090, or just hold out until the 5090 comes along sometime next year maybe.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Congrats on building your first PC! You've selected some great components so far. Wrt the GPU choice, for 4K gaming at 120 FPS, such as on a TV, the 4080 Super will be fine. My guess as to a release date for the 5090 is after CES in January 2025 ... likely at the end of January with an announcement at CES. The problem is it will likely be really tough to get your hands on one when it launches. That said, the prices of the 4000 series will likely drop. If you want to get up and running now I would recommend a 4080 Super ... you can see if it meets your needs and if you decide to get a 5090 next year then you can always sell the 4080.

[@korbinbattson4181]

@@blackbirdpctech This is super helpful. Thank you!

[@raynathanielcaparas8064]

got the 4090 and couldn't be happier

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s an awesome gpu!

[@ricarnuninho80]

Not happy!? But I'm super happy for my RTX 4090 due to the VRAM size.

[@i3l4ckskillzz79]

Depends on the money you're willing to pay. In my case the 4090 makes sense but I know it's just because I'm a pc sucker and have the money to purchase such high end stuff. For 4k I need all power I can possibly get

[@blackbirdpctech]

I feel your pain 😉

[@xpodx]

Never enough power

[@xpodx]

@blackbirdpctech even the 9090 ti super isn't gonna do 8k 240hz with the 2034 aaa games maxed out path tracing and local ai full auto generator xD

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@xpodxhow about the 9090 Ti Super Titan? 😂

[@xpodx]

@blackbirdpctech haha I think they should bring back the titan. Make 100 of them, all double the vram of the 90 class and fully unlocked chip and charge 2x the price

[@lilbbgun280]

I built my first pc in April of this year with 7800x3d and a 7900xt. Not even 4 months later I’m getting the 4090 later this month. Excited for it, low key going to miss my amd card bc I had no issues with it at all just giving it to a friend that financially a little less than me so I was like fuck it imma get the rtx 4090. Hopefully it blows me away

[@blackbirdpctech]

That is a big upgrade ... to really push it try running Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K with path tracing on ... it looks amazing.

[@lilbbgun280]

@@blackbirdpctech definitely need to, bc I been buying some games to see how my current gpu is but I heard cyberpunk is really taxing so i definitely need to get it to see it’s real performance with the 4090

[@lilbbgun280]

My only question is does it matter that 4090 I go for

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@lilbbgun280 not really … I would either get the cheapest one you can find or get the one you like the look of most that will match your build … imo you can’t beat the founders edition direct from Nvidia.

[@amei_G80_BmwM3]

I went for the 4080 super and it’s on its way so I can finally build my rig I have also noticed the price per fps and watching other breakdown videos like this one. I think the 4090 is more of a flex at this point

[@blackbirdpctech]

Congrats, what variant did you end up buying?

[@amei_G80_BmwM3]

@@blackbirdpctech I got the Asus tuff 4080 super, that one’s the only one I found available, I wanted the aurous variant but it wasn’t in stock

[@blackbirdpctech]

That's one of my favorite variants ... great cooler.

[@alkine3011]

If you have the extra cash its always worth having the best if not the 4080 super is very good. I tried out the 7900 XTX and 4080 before moving to the 4090 its just amazing to play on my 65 inch 4k 144Hz tv.

[@blackbirdpctech]

There is no question about how good it is … it’s a little surprising to me just how well it has sold at that price … probably means Nvidia will push the 5090 price even higher. Thanks for watching!

[@alkine3011]

@@blackbirdpctech Yeah that was my only fear about buying it they see us jumping on a $1,600 card they'll say hmm let's pull what we did with the 3090 ti and drop it for $1,999...and with the AI booming it possibly could go even higher unfortunately.

[@blackbirdpctech]

You know what’s crazy, I actually purchased a 3090Ti when Jay did his infamous video … will never forget that … and yeah, I think the 5090 will be priced at $1,999 … but let’s see, if battlemage provides 4080 performance at under $500 that might help, even at the high-end.

[@romankozlovskiy7899]

Must be some terrible pixel density at 4k 65” basically playing at 1080p

[@michaelangst6078]

No it's not always worth having the best. Paying full price for a 4090 instead of waiting now is dumb unless you can use the extra vram to make money

[@FunFunFun8888]

9:50 Output Color Depth is 12bpc on Samsung 65" QN90 the best gaming TV Monitor on this planet with super bright 2,101.4 nits making the sun look real in games. 10-bit colour isn't good enough to display that level of HDR without banding. Neo QLED for the win! OLED is for dim people who live in dark dungeons and still cannot see all the details of the game because it is too dark. Sony has set the new standard of 4000+ nits required for the future.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I tried gaming on an LG C2 48” TV but it was too big on my desk … same thing for Samsung Ark. I’m going to get a new 32” 4k oled for my primary gaming monitor. For my living room I have a large LG C2 but will check out the QN90.

[@mhult5873]

-->Thank you for a great video! Both are 4080S/4090 are technically great GPU:s. But the MSRP is way to high. So I had to make do with a 7900XTX on sales, upgrading from my GTX 1080 (non-ti). Note: the 4080S did not exist when I upgraded, so the choice I had was a regular 4080 @ msrp 1200 USD. Note nr 2: I like RT. I don´t like "fake" frames from AI-generated frames, including the increased latency.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you for watching and great comment … thankfully the 7900 xtx exists otherwise Nvidia would have increased prices even further … hopefully Intel can bring a competitive gpu to market with Battlemage … we need more competition to drive prices down.

[@nights8942]

Why only such less subscribers ?? Just found you and i loved that video perfectly explained subscribed ! Building my second pc now i could spend money on a 4090 would be in my comfort zone but after that video for what i better go with a good cpu and 64gb ram paired with a 4080 super enough future proof for me.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you … I started this channel late last year and it’s growing rapidly thanks to people like you … welcome to the Blackbird PC Tech community!

[@nights8942]

Will need to look more content of you tmr and i am also excited for future videos keep it up man you doing an amazing job 🎉😊

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you, I really appreciate that!

[@Christian-zf7gc]

Very good video! I now use the settings you mentioned in this video. I am still unsure wether to buy a 4090 or not. The thing is that I don´t want to compromise. The only thing is the 5000 series which possibly comes out this year and who knows what they cost. I would be disappointed when I bought a 4090 while I could have gotten a 5090 for the same price if I had just waited.

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s a tough decision because we simply don’t know what the price will be for a 5090 or how long it will be until it’s released. The question really comes down to whether you can wait … I think a 5090 will be priced at $1,999 … just a guess but at that price people will still buy it. One other thing to consider is that even if it’s released later this year it may be extremely difficult to buy one at msrp … scalpers will be out in force. Hopefully that helps and thanks for watching!

[@Christian-zf7gc]

@@blackbirdpctech thanks for the fast reply. I think I sleep a few nights over it. The 4080 super is such a good gpu for 600€ less. Decisions decisions :D

[@e36boy]

It's October 2024, finally prices of 4090 are around $2010 here in the Philippines. They used to be 3kusd to 4k usd. Is it worth it to buy one or wait for rtx 5090?

[@blackbirdpctech]

That's a tough question to answer because there are a lot of unknowns. My guess is that the 5090 will be announced at CES early next year, since Jensen is giving the keynote. I would also guess that the price will be set at $1,999 US. So if you can get one after they launch, you will be paying a very large premium. If it's taken this long for the 4090 prices to come down then I would assume that a 5090 is likely going to be very expensive in the Philippines when it launches. With that in mind I would probably suggest getting a 4090 now. Reports suggest that they've stopped producing them so there is a possibility that prices will increase before the 5090 is announced.

[@aengberg1]

For someone who doesn't want to know or learn every geeky nuance of GPUs, this was a great primer! I'm only interested in FS2020 so the answer was pretty clear for me - the 4090 would be massive overkill. Great video, thanks!

[@blackbirdpctech]

I'm glad I was able to help!

[@tldr25]

Found a mistake with your subscriber numbers. It says 2.75K. That dot between numbers shouldn't be there.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Ha ha ... I truly appreciate and love this comment ... made my day 😉

[@armygreenfj3924]

Still using a GTX 780. Plays all the games I play. No need to upgrade yet unless I start playing Bodycam.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s a great attitude!

[@Tanzu15]

Dawg upgrade already🤣 I upgraded my 780s to 780 Tis, then to 980s SLI then to a single 1080 Ti. Then I lasted till last year on the 1080 Ti and jumped to the 4080. The 700 and 900 series, really weren’t great and didn’t last long at all. The 1080 Ti though was a monster at launch and stayed great till even now.

[@armygreenfj3924]

@@Tanzu15 I actually have a gaming laptop Asus G16 with a 4070. I’ll wait till the 5080 comes out next year to upgrade my desktop lol.

[@armygreenfj3924]

@@Tanzu15 damn bro you wasted so much money on those upgrades lol. It ain’t that serious for me. I try not spend so much money on stuff I don’t need. The 780 ran fine in 1080p lol. I’d rather invest my money towards my retirement.

[@Tanzu15]

@@armygreenfj3924 nah I didn’t lose any. As I kept selling them for the price I bought them for or higher to buy my next upgrades.

[@graytower1786]

i like this guy , very informative video

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you!

[@Someguy7488]

I got 4080 4090 4070ti when I had 4080 it made me want the 4090 some games it just left me wanting for more. I came from a 1070 so the first upgrade I got was the 4070ti

[@blackbirdpctech]

Wow, you tried them all … there is absolutely no question about its dominant performance … it’s a beast!

[@S4h4r4s]

If my math was correct, the frames to watts are practically the same, 3 frames for every watt for the 4080 or 4090.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Yes and that makes sense given that they are essentially the same architecture. If only the $ per frame was the same 😉

[@VermillionCain]

I'm using an RTX 4070 Super and game at 1440p, given the price of both the RTX 4080 Super and RTX 4090 I think I'll wait for the RTX 5090 before I'm willing to part with that kind of money, especially this late in the day.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I did a review of the 4070 Super and I was impressed … I think it’s the best of the super cards released.

[@techsamurai11]

Great video! Well, AMD is going to add Tensor Cores - hopefully that will put pressure on Nvidia as each AMD model will compete with the step-up model so Nvidia will need to drop prices by 20% and that will put pressure on their high-end models which will be stranded with stratospheric prices. Intel is also going to come after the AI and video game industry too as there's a trillion on offer and a chance to increase their valuation by 5x so any investment is worth it. Also, for those who only care about 60fps or higher with frame-gen, the PS5 Pro will be an interesting piece of hardware. It's not a 4080 but it should run any game at 60fps with high/ultra settings. But it's the super-sampling we want to see. If Intel can create XeSS without tensor cores, then Sony with their 25+ years of upscaling pedigree and with Tensor Cores should be able to produce vastly superior results to FSR and XeSS and should match Nvidia. I suspect Sony wants to rule AI upscaling in the future for streaming content for their TVs, PS5 streaming etc.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Really appreciate your comment … I think it’s going to be an interesting few years ahead of us … I think it all hinges on how well Intel does with battlemage and celestial … if they can provide great value then hopefully it will force Nvidia to bring their prices down. Never thought I would be cheering for Intel 😉

[@techsamurai11]

@@blackbirdpctech yeah, Intel is really missing the boat with this. Their valuation is less than 10% of Nvidia's and almost half of AMD's. They should have had 4060, 4070, 4070Ti competitor cards out already even if they sell them at a loss. You can't become Amazon and expect a profit on day one. These cards need to be given away below cost so they appear in PCs and build market share which then opens the path to technological advancements. I was thinking of 3Dfx and what they must think seeing Nvidia's meteoric rise and 2 trillion valuation. They must be thinking "f*ck we got beaten by 2d" cause they had a much better 3d card albeit more expensive.

[@9989callum]

Thank you for explaining everything in detail and making it so easy to understand, appreciate you!

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you for watching, I appreciate the feedback!

[@stevendavis1135]

No doubt it's worth it. The price is just insane. You can basically build a entrie gaming computer with the price of 1 4090

[@blackbirdpctech]

There is no doubt it offers the best performance but based on the data I don't think the extra performance is truly worth it for most people ... as you said, the price is insane and you can build an entire PC for that price. Thanks for watching!

[@airforcex9412]

I've had a 4090 since December of 2022, up from a 3090. I honestly would recommend a used 4080 or Super.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s how I feel too … I’ve had multiple 4090’s since launch and after testing the 4080 Super I realized that I wouldn’t really notice a difference in the games I play.

[@michaelangst6078]

It's only around 30% faster at 4k and even less at lower res.. Really isn't that big of a difference

[@legiox3719]

Why are the benchmarks so close in flight simulator at 1440p? I would think 4090 would be miles ahead with all the graphical demands the game has. Great channel by the way.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Yes, I noticed that and I re-ran the benchmarks multiple times with both cards … I initially thought I had messed up the settings but I checked … something I have to dig into more … the only thing I can think of that might be driving it is the higher clocks for the 4080S. Thanks for watching and supporting the channel!

[@i3l4ckskillzz79]

4k is the resolution where the 4090 distances itself from the competition. It needs heavy load to stretch its muscles. I don't recommend this card for 1440p but that's of course my opinion.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Agreed

[@jemborg]

Gidday. The 24GB VRAM will give the 4090 more longevity than any 16GB card. That and a 50% bigger bus. Thanks for the setup advice re colour. 👍

[@blackbirdpctech]

Very true, there is no doubt that the 4090 will remain relevant longer. Thanks for watching!

[@jemborg]

@@blackbirdpctech no worries. I bought a cool 4090 PNY XLR8 OC myself. No whine. Pretty happy.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That's a great looking card!

[@jemborg]

@@blackbirdpctech yeah man, it's a solid build too. Do you think more and or different VRMs would improve the 1% lows?

[@blackbirdpctech]

It depends. Are you overclocking your gpu? If you are, is the voltage or power limiting your performance?

[@gageboy14]

YES Especially if your a VR Sim racer.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Would be good to learn more about VR sim racing ... what games do you play and what is the resolution that you play at?

[@gageboy14]

@@blackbirdpctech Assetto Corsa, Automobilista 2, project cars 2 etc.... Any racer with VR. Resolution of the headset. Keep resolution at 1080 on your monitor. Lower resolution on your monitor means more power for the headset.

[@nightingelf]

Amazing video, really helped in making up my mind in getting the RTX 4080 Super instead.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you, I appreciate the feedback and I’m glad I could help. You will love the 4080S!

[@LetsG0Champ]

What are you? A fooking rocket scientist??? 🤣

[@blackbirdpctech]

Ha ha … yeah, an Aerospace Engineer 😉

[@LetsG0Champ]

@@blackbirdpctech Ive always wanted to say that to a real Rocket Scientist lmao

[@testAccount-eb2ve]

I am not sure how long its going to take but I am considering just waiting till the 50 series gets released then if those prices are too high I can just get a 4090 since they will probably drop the price- hopefully... As always great video and I hope to see that cpu comparison at some point ;)

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you … that makes sense, the only issue I potentially see is Nvidia pricing a 5090 at $2,000 and continuing to sell the 4090 at current prices … we need some competition at the high-end. I have it in my content strategy plan … it’s growing larger every day … hopefully will get to it soon. Thanks for watching!

[@testAccount-eb2ve]

Yeah I heard that the new AMD gpus are not going to be high end cards which is quite dissapointing, hopefully they have something up their sleeve to add more pressure on NVIDIA. Thanks! Also just an idea that may be interesting, you could make a setup series where you review setups and give your opinions (could be interesting to hear your opinions)@@blackbirdpctech

[@blackbirdpctech]

Interesting idea … perhaps to make it a little different I could do that for subscribers … help give them ideas on what upgrades to consider.

[@testAccount-eb2ve]

@eplugplay8409 wow great buy, once you test the card you should come back and let me know what you think of it

[@RedShogun13]

Imo at this point if you have a 4080 or something just wait for the 50 series cards in the fall. If not for the price drop on the 4090 , the new cards should be a welcome upgrade from the 40 series.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Here is the problem with waiting … regardless of what rumors are out there, we simply don’t know when the cards will be released, what the performance will be and how much they will cost. It’s possible that Nvidia will offer an increase in performance with a corresponding linear increase in price, so if the fps/$ stays similar to a 4090 then it’s unlikely a 4090 will drop much in price … it might simply remain part of their product stack alongside 50 series cards. That said, I think it comes down to your needs and value. If you can game for 6 months at a higher fps and game settings, and you can afford it, then why not pull the trigger now and sell your current gpu while it still has some value? You can always sell your new card after the 50 series cards become more widely available … IF you feel the need to.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I just realized that you said "if you have a 4080 ..." ... I totally missed that with my first reply ... if you have a 4080 I wouldn't get a 4090 at all ... I completely agree with you, waiting for the 50 series would make a lot of sense.

[@Playingwith3D]

If it ever drops to 600 bucks it will finally be worth what it is really worth. The 7090 will be out before that happens though.

[@blackbirdpctech]

If pricing was consistent between generations then I think it would be reasonable to put the 4080 at around $600 with the 4090 at $1,000 ... if Intel Battlemage can come in later this year with 4080 like performance at under $500 then that could be a game changer.

[@TheT0nedude]

A purely subjective question, is a Porsche worth it? A Ferrari? Diminishing returns in every market means that you will inevitably have to overpay for the bleeding edge. If you can afford it then go for it and enjoy it. EDIT: At lower resolutions the CPU has more of a chance to be the bottleneck - it's only at 4k (maybe 1440p+) that the full power of a 4090 is shown over the 4080s.

[@blackbirdpctech]

It's not purely subjective because there is a clear objective. Unlike brand discussions that are somewhat subjective and relate to satisfying a need for significance, a gaming GPU is used to generate a high quality gaming experience that can be measured. You can then use that metric, for gaming it would be FPS, and estimate value by dividing it by cost. Your analogy for cars is not equivalent because the primary motivation behind getting a Ferrari is not performance, it's status, something that is tough to measure. There is no question that people will buy a 4090 to satisfy their significance need, but I would argue that most people consider buying one for gaming performance. Take women's handbags for example ... they are used to carry things however a bag from Gucci doesn't perform this objective better than a bag from Target, so in this case the question of is it worth it would be subjective. When buying a gaming GPU the objective is gaming performance, so it's relatively easy to measure and show that a 4090 does perform better than a 4080 ... it's not at all subjective. The cost of each card is also not subjective so measuring value (performance/cost) is a reasonable way to answer the question. Also, there are a lot of scenarios where you can be GPU bound at lower resolutions, such as with high frequency monitors and/or high game settings, so you can leverage the power of a 4090 at resolutions other than just 4K.

[@dalek.6171]

Excellent Video! Thank you. Is it worth it ? Could be the difference in skipping the next gen. & having the 4080s parked next to my 1080 ti any time soon.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s an excellent point I didn’t consider … the extra cost may allow you to skip the 5000 series and buy back in when there is more competition and prices come down. Thanks for watching!

[@bullshark1152]

if you don't play on at least a 4K screen, the 4090 is overkill. 1 exception and that is when you're into VR. But that said, it does not come cheap.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Agreed … a few people have mentioned VR … I have to run some tests and see how I can best include some VR benchmarks in future videos. I believe 3DMark has a VR benchmark … just need to find some good VR games to test. Let me know if you have any suggestions.

[@bullshark1152]

@@blackbirdpctech I just ordered a new PC with a 4080 super. My old system a 1080ti is to old to play AMS in VR with a quest 3. Had a Rift cv1. So a new system. If I had the money I would have bought the 4090 but it is just to expensive to my liking .

[@kennethwilliams9668]

People talking about how close the 4080 and 4090 are but they are not even pushing them. Of course at 1440p they will be close and evenin some 4k. But let's put them Cuda cores AND Vram to the test and push that RT for which the 4090 cannot be matched. The Separation between the two will be very obvious 😅

[@blackbirdpctech]

I don’t think anyone doubts the 4090’s prowess in gaming, but I think it’s a reasonable question to ask if this increase in performance is worth it. Nvidia is charging a high premium for extra frames because the 4090 has no direct competitor … to be perfectly honest I’m surprised they didn’t charge more. I think they will “fix” that mistake by charging much more for the 5090 … doesn’t look like AMD or Intel will be able to compete for a few generations.

[@kennethwilliams9668]

@blackbirdpctech yeah I agree it's definitely a premium for every frame. It's definitely a reasonable question. Which is why we need serious competitors. It does cost allot to get not just fps, but getting the fps with a beautiful resolution. Cause the fps battle is one thing, but the fidelity of the game at those frames is another.

[@buddymckay3486]

Got the RTX 4080 Super for only 670 bucks brand new and haven't bothered upgrading any further. The extra premium and power consumption isn't worth it for the average Joe with a limited budget and power bill in mind. DLSS also reduces power consumption without much visual loss. 1440p is enough if you're gaming on a regular computer monitor at 27" with 120hz or higher.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s a great price

[@Windguy5691]

I bought a 4080 Super instead of a 4090 only because of their cable issue. It’s just too risky to purchase something they still haven’t fixed fully with a high failure rate. Not sure of the percentage failure rate, but I can’t see any evidence it’s gone. And some “KZbin” repair shops have been sent tons of them.

[@Leo-yn5fx]

For the state of gaming? Its a waste of money tbh no real games out atm, but for everything else? yesss

[@Wedgeman_Riley]

I was crying when I bought a 3080 10gb for £500 2 years ago as it was all of my disposable income, but I thought it was a worthwhile investment that would easily last me the next 5-7years. But it's already obsolete, I barely get playable FPS in VR with MSFS and racing games, and with MSFS 2024, requireing a 4080 for 30fps at 4k (VR resolution) and 30fps is nowhere near playable on VR I can either buy a RTX 5090 if its any sort of affordable because with the significant handicaps given to the RTX 5080 its basically worthless or I can buy a RTX 4080super for discountsd price when the 5080 is released. 4080supers are around £950 right now but if they drop below £700 then It might be a decent upgrade for the money.

[@blackbirdpctech]

A 4080 Super is likely your best bet because I don't see a 5090 costing less than $1,999 US when it launches.

[@techknow9237]

I'm thinking of getting a 4080, maybe a 90, but am confused as there's a different 4080/90 makes - Asus, GeForce, Nvidia - are they all the same or are some makes better than others ? Also which is the best time to play on a 65" 4K TV - I'm not into sitting in front of monitors - are PC ok to play on TV's ? Thanks, from a console background and PC's look confusing from the plug n play of consoles I prefer but want the modding, graphics and PC more AA games that appeal to me ... Probably be my last PC, so I want to be one that lasts. Happy with 60fps.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I discussed brands in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpXViXWqbrCJiqssi=MMC7moOtwZGgB_L7 Nvidia is the company that makes the GPU and they also produce graphics cards. PC’s work well on newer TV’s … you can connect them with hdmi 2.1 and for TV’s that support 120Hz the gaming experience is great. PC gaming is a little more complicated than consoles but once you get it all setup well the gaming experience is in my opinion better.

[@Barbarianbrotha]

I would just wait for the 5 series. They're releasing the 5080 in a few months. It will most likely be close to 50% faster than the 4090 for around $1200 I would imagine. This comes from a 4090 owner of around 2 years.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@BarbarianbrothaI would be careful listening to the rumors … I highly doubt the 5080 will be much faster than the 4090 and even if it’s announced soon, it won’t be available for a while. This is why I dislike all of the KZbinrs that push rumors … it’s just for clicks and is not based on anything tangible.

[@mozzjones6943]

@@Barbarianbrotha That's is never going to happen! Or at least not anytime in the recent future, There's just no way Nvidia would totally screw themselves like that lol

[@MohamedAnisDahmani]

Thank you for your honest review. Indeed, the 4090 isn't worth that price at the moment.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Glad you liked it!

[@9ElevenCombatVet]

This is outstanding info right here! I’m definitely looking at both of these in the Asus Scar 18. Regardless of the unit I end up getting (4080 or 4090) I’m going to upgrade it to 64 GB of RAM and add a 4 TB SSD shortly after I get it. So I’m keeping that cost in mind as well. I’m at a fork in the road honestly. Did the games feel to run better on the 4090 than the 4080? I’m going to have this laptop for at least 5 years. My current is the Asus 552 that I got back in 2016 so I keep them for a while. Thoughts?

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thanks! One thing to keep in mind is that mobile versions of these GPU’s typically have different limits imposed, so the performance will be different. That said, if your primary use of the laptop is for performance(and you don’t care about battery life) then go for a 4090 but if battery life is more important then get a 4080.

[@9ElevenCombatVet]

@@blackbirdpctechOh yeah I definitely care about performance. Good thought however, regarding the battery life, do you notice a drastic difference between the two? The way I tend to use laptops I’m usually around a source of power whether it’s home or on the go. I just want to make sure it will hold up a bit if that makes sense.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I haven't compared the mobile versions of those chips however from the data presented online there is a relatively large difference in battery life ... something you might want to look into for the specific laptop that you are interested in.

[@9ElevenCombatVet]

@@blackbirdpctech Definitely true. I'll do some specific research on that. Really appreciate you pointing that out as well. I'm excited to get it going. Everyone in my household games. I'm just getting into it again but I've always had in mind what I've wanted. I'm definitely doing those secret steps as well for extra performance.

[@qubes8728]

Pretty sure if you read the description for the nvidia colour settings it says it doesn’t work on newer hardware or something like that, either way on or off I don’t see any difference and one of my monitors is 10bit. There is auto overclock in the current non beta gfe app which is actually the auto oc option from afterburner.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I didn't see the OC option in there when I played around with it but I didn't spend a lot of time going through it ... glad they are finally adding this option. With respect to the output color depth, it definitely impacts the bandwidth of your signal ... on one of my monitors if I select 12 bpc and try to run it at 175Hz the signal gets screwed up because the bandwidth required is greater than what HDMI 2.1 can do. Whether you can notice the difference between 8, 10 and 12 is an entirely different thing ... I honestly don't 😉

[@somerandomperson_23]

my only question is what happens when you put rtx 2070 super and a 4090 together on the same motherboard?

[@blackbirdpctech]

You could always dedicate it to run PhysX but that's not really necessary with a 4090 ... the 2070 will simply reduce the airflow into the 4090.

[@t4kpics431]

Great video keep up the good work

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you!

[@bourdan90]

Great video! Actually helped me to decide on which card to get! Thank you! :)

[@blackbirdpctech]

You are very welcome, glad I was able to help!

[@FederickTan]

Thanks for your great video!Is there a huge difference in performance and speed between RTX 4090 and RTX 4080 super for generative AI like image generation and video rendering etc...I am not into gaming.Which one should I buy?Is RTX 4090 going to be 2 to 3x faster than 4080 super given the same CPU i914900k?Hope to hear your sound advice ❤

[@blackbirdpctech]

The RTX 4090 is the card to get if you want to train algorithms because you need as much VRAM as possible. It is also significantly faster for rendering. It is an excellent "low-end" professional card ... if you step in to the professional card realm prices get out of control rapidly. Thanks for watching!

[@LucienLachance64]

I went from a 4060 to a 4090. Literally night and day difference.

[@blackbirdpctech]

That’s a massive upgrade so I’m not surprised … enjoy!!

[@SaiyanJin85]

4060 is garbage , literally

[@AvitaBeckling]

Yes 4090 is worth it if your considering 4k max settings The card i run which was free from gigabyte Aorus extreme waterblock 4090 these are now available for 1800 on amazon. Really nice cool card with its own AIo 360 pegged 240fps in apex legends all settings MAX at 4k , Fortnite 4k all settings maxed even lumens, shadows ect FPS is 150 pegged i set a cap since it does fluctuate from 150-190. If i turn off lumens its same 240+ pegged situation.

[@kaboomproduct]

the 4080 super is definetly "good enough" but the people who are buying the 4090 arent looking for "good enough"

[@blackbirdpctech]

Great point

[@Shinta0SaINt]

Thank you for this!

[@blackbirdpctech]

You are very welcome, glad you liked it!

[@Response1980]

I have the 4080 super and it’s a beast 🎉

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s a great gpu

[@ilukacevich]

I have 3060ti and I'm planning on upgrading it to 4080 super 😎 just waiting till November, hoping on some black discount 🙃🤞

[@sjewkes1]

I genuinely hope they stop using DLSS for their performance uplift charts. I know they don't, but they should. I want to know raw power numbers gen over gen, not how much your AI upscaling has improved. Frame Gen can take a walk as well, since it's even worse in terms of visual fidelity and not real FPS. I'm currently between the 4080 Super and 4090 for my next build and genuinely undecided on waiting for the 50 series (primarily to hopefully see a better connector, but also may not have a choice if my current desktop kicks the bucket sooner than later). This video definitely explains the difference well, and I've been building PCs for over 15 years.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thank you … tough decision at this point … I think the 5000 series will be tough to get until 2025.

[@sjewkes1]

@@blackbirdpctech That seems to be the general consensus, which is unfortunate but unsurprising given the last couple launches. I'll be waiting to see what happens at Computex in June for both CPUs and GPUs to make a decision, since I plan on doing the build around August or September.

[@blackbirdpctech]

If they do announce a 5090, the best chance you will have to get one is either at a microcenter on launch day or on the Nvidia shop online if you live in the US … that is what I am going to try … I snagged my 4080 S FE that way.

[@sjewkes1]

@@blackbirdpctech what I wouldn't give for a Microcenter. Even when I was still in the US there wasn't one in my area, and the old Frys Electronics went bust, so I ended up with a 2080 Super from Amazon, consequently just before the 30 series launch. So now in Canada, my chances of getting any card are...about as likely as getting struck by lightning with a winning lottery ticket😂😭I'm hoping for a couple more hybrid cards, ever since EVGA left the game there's only been one or two, and that engineers pet project Matrix for $4,000 doesn't count

[@blackbirdpctech]

The closest microcenter near me is not too far … about 45min … but I am going to try my luck with the Nvidia online store again

[@Aaron_Somers]

I want a 4090 but do I wait for the 5000 series. I have a 3080ti currently and everything else in my build is great

[@blackbirdpctech]

At this point I would wait to see what the 5000 series has to offer. Unless you see a great deal on a 4090 of course.

[@EJD339]

I don’t judge anyone that bought a Nvidia card but this is the rare time I boycott a product because of their business practices. I bought a 7900 GRE although I was very tempted to go with a Nvidia card. It’s just going to keep on getting worse if people keep buying them.

[@blackbirdpctech]

There are a lot of subscribers on this channel that feel the same way but until we get strong competition from AMD and hopefully Intel, Nvidia will likely keep increasing prices. The 7900 GRE is however a great card ... I recently tested it against the 4070 Super and the performance was very similar.

[@gorgono1]

I went from GTX 1080 -> RX 6950XT -> RTX 4080s and I have no regrets. I tried AMD, didn't like it, so back to NVIDIA. Yes, it is overpriced, but so good.

[@Monstacheeks]

If you game on large 4K TVs and LIKE Eye Popping Photorealistic Details, the 4090 is Great. But Ps5 and other less powerful graphics card look great too compared to 4090. I just noticed more Aliasing, the game doesn’t look as smooth, the details don’t look as realistic and lighting doesn’t make things more stand out. Really Bad shadows too in some games.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Yes, you are paying for the details and the ability to game at higher refresh rates. The 4080 Super is also a very capable 4K GPU and is very well suited to large 4K TV's that are generally limited to 120Hz refresh rate.

[@fffrrraannkk]

Sounds like you got frame generation mixed up with super sampling. At least the transition was kind of confusing

[@blackbirdpctech]

I didn’t get it confused, I just transitioned rapidly … looking back it would have been better to add transition screens with a brief pause … thanks for watching and the feedback.

[@benderandownz]

Me watching this with my 2080ti 😂

[@blackbirdpctech]

Nothing wrong with that card 😉

[@benderandownz]

@@blackbirdpctech I Might wait for the 5000 series to come out

[@blackbirdpctech]

At this point that’s what I would do … you might get lucky and have competitive products from both AMD and Intel at the 5080 level, which would drive prices down … you won’t have to wait too long.

[@benderandownz]

@blackbirdpctech That would be nice!! I have about 8 screens for my flight sim, 4 on my 2080ti and 4 on my 2060.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@benderandownz nice setup ... my good friend loves MS Flight Sim ... aerospace was always my passion, that's why I became an aerospace engineer and designed aircraft for most of my life. If you are running MS Flight Sim and you are not using an X3D chip you should consider switching ... they are truly outstanding in that game.

[@mythgreatbritain5634]

A "former" rocket scientist ? what happened? ;-)

[@blackbirdpctech]

Technically I still am, I just left the aerospace and defense industry. Take a look at my origin story … it was my first video but it tells my story 😉

[@mythgreatbritain5634]

@@blackbirdpctech Will do.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Very cool channel by the way 😉

[@AvroBellow]

You've totally chosen the wrong card to compare the 4090 to because the RX 7900 XTX is a much better deal than the RTX 4080 (Super or not). My RX 7900 XTX chews through every game I throw at it at 2160p ultra settings, is a faster card than the RTX 4080 and I bought it as a Newegg open-box special last August for $1148CAD which equates to ~$850USD. More gaming performance than a $1200 card for $850? I'll take that seven days a week and twice on Sunday!

[@blackbirdpctech]

I did extensive testing in earlier videos comparing a 4080 with a 7900 XTX and a 4080 Super with a 7900 XTX, and I recently overclocked a 7900 XTX and compared it with a stock 4090 (you should check them out). The choice of a 4080 Super FE for this video was intentional. Sounds like you got a good deal on a 7900 XTX!

[@Pointi78]

You need Reflex if you use Frame Generation which was introduced with DLSS 3. Without Reflex you cant even turn Frame Generation on. If you only use Upscaling without Frame Generation you dont "need" it per se. You should state that DLSS Upscaling and Frame Generation are two different things. The naming scheme of Nvidia got borked there. So, DLSS Upscaling does not produce additional frames as stated in your video, only Frame Generation does, and this then comes with a latency increase - and a VRAM increase, because the GPU has to have 2 Full size Frames in Memory and a low res AI generated one.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Appreciate your comment and you are correct, I should have pointed out that frame generation is a selectable option with DLSS ... this is very noticeable in games like Cyberpunk where it is selected by default with RT game settings. However, you can turn frame gen on without using Reflex, apart from the fact that Reflex is not supported in all games, for most single player games the increase in latency is not something that will impact your gaming experience in a meaningful way.

[@Pointi78]

@@blackbirdpctech Uh then it this is on game basis maybe? In Horizon Dawn Forbidden West Reflex has to be ON to use Frame Gen

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@Pointi78interesting, will have to dig in to it more. There is no reason to not use Reflex if it’s available, so it makes sense that some games turn it on by default.

[@Pointi78]

@@blackbirdpctech I just checked Cyberpunk, I can NOT turn off Reflex if I use Frame Generation. In Forbidden West I do not use Frame Gen, so I have turned off Reflex too. In this game I weirdly get microstutters when I use Reflex. As you can turn on Reflex but keep Frame Gen off I was able to test this. But I was not able to use Frame Gen without Reflex. Reflex seems to be a bit buggy on some systems in this game, in the first 2 or so patches of the game turning Reflex to ON + BOOST tanked my framerate completely from 120 down to 30...

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@Pointi78 will test it on my system later today because I’m curious now too … I particularly want to check out COD MW3.

[@NormLenhart-v4l]

I wondered the same thing until I fired up my favorite games and modded them about 3 times what my old Titan XP could handle at 4k. Now I no longer wonder. Stupid expensive but good God, the performance is insane.

[@blackbirdpctech]

It is amazing … it’s so good that it has no direct competitor, hence the price … makes me wonder what a 5090 will cost 😉

[@NormLenhart-v4l]

@@blackbirdpctech I imagine it will MSRP north of $2500 at least. Probably 3K if Nvidia's trajectory stays on course. One of the reasons I upgraded my old Titan was it simply couldn't keep up... but with that said, it lasted 5 years before it began to show signs of needing replacement. By 7 it was time. With any luck the 4090 is far enough ahead that it will make 5 years as well. That's a pretty good ROI and by then, God only knows what the state of graphics cards will be.

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@NormLenhart-v4l agreed, I think that is a great way to look at it. I think Nvidia will continue to sell the 4090 alongside the 5000 series, especially if the 5090 is above $2K, but that depends heavily on the performance and pricing for the 5080 ... will be interesting to see it unfold ... I don't think it will happen until early 2025.

[@psour33]

Yes it worth it, but not for fps gaming. For VR simulation it's great.

[@blackbirdpctech]

I haven’t tested it in VR … need to dust of my headset and give it a shot.

[@dragooogame]

Hello, I love your videos. I own the 4080. Do you think that upgrading to 4090 worth it ? I mean in terms of performance. Is it mind-blowing difference in performance?

[@blackbirdpctech]

Thanks! That’s why I made this video, a lot of people have the same question. If you already have a 4080 I really don’t think it’s worth it but if you want the very best it’s the only option.

[@dragooogame]

@@blackbirdpctech I know that the 4090 is on first place, my question was about whether it's worth upgrading from 4080 to 4090 in terms of performance. If it's a noticeable increase. However, you yourself say you don't think it's worth it to get the 4090. So it's not that much of a noticeable difference, right?

[@blackbirdpctech]

@@dragooogame all of the benchmark data comparing a 4090 to a 4080 Super is in the video, so you can take a look and decide for yourself. A 4080 is only about 1-3% slower than a 4080 Super depending on resolution, so they perform basically the same.

[@dragooogame]

@@blackbirdpctechI saw your benchmark, average 4090 is about 32% better than 4080. I just don't know how to imagine 32% in practice. Whether is it simply enough to make the upgrade mind-blowing? Sorry for bothering 😊

[@blackbirdpctech]

It’s ok, it really depends on multiple things, the monitor you have, the resolution you play at and the games you play but how it actually makes you feel is subjective, only you can answer that for you. For example, if it significantly increases your 1% lows in your favorite game then it would feel much smoother.

[@Xendindrome]

It looks like the 4090 better utilizes the newer game engines better.

[@blackbirdpctech]

Not sure if it utilizes them better, it’s just a more powerful gpu … it’s the only card that has a shot at doing path tracing, but even it struggles without frame gen.