Should you go to college in the age of AI?

[@DaveShap]

I see this opinion is somewhat controversial and triggering to some people. Please make sure you review the community guidelines before commenting.

[@TheREAL.BrandOnShow]

great video but that jacket is a trigger :D David you are really amazing at what you do, you are a fantastic professor and your videos are always full of the greatest bits and chunks of the pinnacle of human knowledge!

[@eitantal726]

Ah yes, The retroactive, ever-changing, Community guidelines. We've always been at war with eastasia

[@Jumpyfoot]

I don't know anything about running a KZbin channel or making KZbin videos because I'm just some random person on the internet, but I would think in potential cases of controversy, maybe it would be strategic or more useful to move your disclaimer section where you say "not for everyone" up front to head off some of people's responses since most people only watch the beginning of a video anyway.

[@christopheraaron2412]

Well some people get triggered by almost😊

[@heski6847]

a lot of people are just triggered because their point of view on the whole may get cracked... And no human being likes it when all of their foindations is unstable. Great video, I'm don't agree 100% with everything, but it's okay)

[@KoroushRP]

I hope a.i and robots automate most jobs. The government can ignore 20% unemployment rate but its much harder to ignore 50 or 60%. Inact ubi and let us do our hobbies, indulge in our own communities, traditions and culture, volunteer and stick to churches or places of worship if we wish. That would be a much more peaceful, healthy and functioning society.

[@ReyhanJoseph]

i feel the same way @KoroushRP tbh

[@vectoralphaSec]

100% imagine completely eliminating all the stress, anxiety and fear of working and paying for bills. With UBI no one works anymore and we have more time to do what we actually want to do and without worry. So many people have jobs they hate and are miserable in just because they need the money. Imagine all that is gone. Society would be more peaceful, less crime, literally just positives in a world without jobs.

[@nefaristo]

Culturally, I would love paid jobs to be much less at the centre of everything. I hate that in my country (Italy) it's in the very first line of the constitution, I find it so... Inelegant🙂 - non universal, not flexible. So as of now I think I'm fully for UBI. But lately, I asked myself, what would that do to markets when you get there? Wouldn't you risk inflation? And if so.. Is it possible to have an UBI within a free market or should you intervene more and more to keep prices low? I'm not an economist and this is an open question for me.

[@angloland4539]

❤

[@michaelfink7421]

Agreed, but admittedly, my hobby is building AI systems.

[@pauldannelachica2388]

I melted my brain during 5 years in college to memorize law just to now that AI will just give the right answer for your problems in court. Simplify analyze the rules and LAWS. Some college institutions are outdated they don't implement Ai and human being teaming

[@DaveShap]

Sure, but you will understand how to interact with AI and how to ask the right questions, and it's just memorization. You have a mental model for how law works.

[@TheREAL.BrandOnShow]

:D

[@marywingo7700]

​@@DaveShap right, but Wall Street bankers need to get out of the exploitive student loan business, and the system needs to be made free. There's no sense in getting in debt $100,000 just to be able to talk to AI, there are many online alternatives that are low-cost or free that can teach a young person these things. By the way, I have a scientist doctorate and being working class, it was the absolute worst decision I made in my life. I would have done much better sticking to some sort of vocational Community College degree with a higher payoff and zero debt

[@pauldannelachica2388]

@@marywingo7700 sometimes people should think about not wasting their time effort and money in an old system of learning.

[@pauldannelachica2388]

@@marywingo7700 student loan debt is a huge problem because some private Institution are very greedy

[@vectoralphaSec]

I say NO. There is no need for college/ university anymore. By the time they graduate in 4 years by 2027/ 2028. The world will be a completely different place that you do not want to go into debt into. Use this time instead to do something else.

[@ShpanMan]

Exactly, as usual this guy is extremely wrong and rationalizes bad assumptions.

[@Augusto_Caten]

YES EXACTLY

[@ninjamokama3839]

The idea of paying for college or university, expecting to get a job is probably a bad idea, yeah, but I still support the idea of exploring your passions and gaining an understanding of the universe/been a well-rounded person, regardless of AI taking over everything. PS: I advocate Self-Study

[@user-lu6yg3vk9z]

It’s already here KZbin Peter Schiff College

[@aena5995]

@@ninjamokama3839 can we do a masters in data science after bachelors accounting finance minor in business data analytics or is business data analytics better idk what tf to study lmao

[@youdontneedmyrealname]

I'm not going to spend over $80,000 just to learn how to be a 'team player' when I can acquire that skill in a workplace. Practical experience often outweighs university education in job selection criteria, provided you can demonstrate the same level of expertise through previous jobs or projects that you've worked on yourself.

[@thelonebeed]

Imagine thinking you need to spend $80000 to go to college

[@funicon3689]

@@thelonebeedschool is a signaling mechanism and low-ranked schools generally arent worth much

[@chuckandmax7313]

I'm 62 and I have gone back to college working on my bachelors degree in game art, I feel a little bit nervous that AI will have advanced so much in 3d animation that I will be replaced, but I'm learning about how to use AI tools so I can be up to date and use it as part of my tool box, I really just want my degree and I plan on being a freelance artist working from my home office hopefully getting a game designer job where I can work remotely, I feel that I can work another 30 years and retire when I'm 90. Hopefully AI will have created some age reversal medications so I can live that long.

[@jmc8076]

@@glad777 Watch Physionic video on one of David’s studies. There are many other great scientists in the field who don’t all agree with him but that’s makes for good robust science, future studies and better ideas.

[@chrisdunntv]

This is the first compelling reason I've heard for college in a long time. Thanks man!

[@davemathews5446]

I have rented on-campus apartments to dozens of college students at a time, for several decades. The vast majority pursue their passion for beer, wild parties, weed, and video games. They graduate with worthless degrees, get a boring entry level job, and THEN grow up to pay the bills on their debt. Just sharing years of personal observation.....

[@MichaelDeeringMHC]

Wait until university is free, then go.

[@user-lu6yg3vk9z]

I still wouldn’t go if it’s free. There is no need

[@dontcallthemliberals3316]

lol didn't take long.

[@MystifulHD]

Maybe universities will one day be a place to explore intellectual freedoms rather than a factory for workers!

[@laudermarauder]

In a post-labour AI-driven utopia, everyone will be able to enjoy a lifelong tailor-made multidisciplinary university experience anywhere they want, for as long as they want, with as many or as few exams as they want, with as much or as little social interaction and extracurricular activity as they want, with zero gatekeeping and at near-zero cost. But high-school graduates are faced today with the dilemma of whether to incur massive debt to attend university as it exists today, with its cripplingly high costs, entry criteria, toxic campus politics, highly variable course quality, etc. My takeaway from this video is that maybe young folk today should wait five years until the Great Disruption up-ends everything, and then see how the land lies after that.

[@maxgadd]

you cant die waiting however, best to do as per normal then when things change adjust accordingly. cant predict the future

[@kevincrady2831]

@@maxgadd So, maybe wait 2, or 3 years--"go backpacking through Europe" (or some similar sort of thing) if your economic situation allows it. Then, see if AI-driven unemployment is skyrocketing, or if it looks more like "the AI bubble" will pop, it will turn out to have been a bunch of hype, and the status quo will continue. It would be a bummer to rack up many thousands of dollars in student debt that your UBI (which will be as stingy as the people with wealth and power can get away with) can't possibly pay for. Don't forget that the middle letter stands for "Basic," i.e., a minimum necessary to get by.

[@morososaas3397]

I self learned to code for 3 years and after I was "done" meaning I understood the fundamentals of programming and wrote couple junior level programs and all that, I could literally feel like I was different person after that. The way I approached problems, the way I thought in general was completely different. I don't think you need a college for it, but I understand that studying alone can be very hard for some people or even impossible withouth the deadlines and such.

[@danielrodio9]

Completing a master’s degree mainly teaches us how much we still have to learn, even in the specific field of our thesis

[@LawrenceMancini-ge4so]

I am a college freshman studying computer engineering at my state university, all the things I do in class right now gpt 3.5 turbo can do, usually on the first try. I feel like I am working hard to be good at a specialty when ai will most likely have replaced my job before I graduate. All I can hope for is diminishing returns. -an apprehensive scholar

[@DaveShap]

Wait til you finish the video

[@vectoralphaSec]

Yeah by the time you graduate in 4 years AI will be even more exponentially advanced and surpass you.

[@edironwladimir]

People have you worked with Ai.... it's a great tool, but is just that is just a tool. I have being using gpt4 to study programming (agronomist engineer is my first career nothing to do with IT world) and sometimes gpt4 take me into a loop problem, Ai can't see sometimes outside the problem... Shure it's a great tool and its my favorite teacher and sure is a great amplifier of the teacher I have in Udemy and KZbin but is just that an amazing tool... so be positive!. People still going to use programmers because you know where the block of code, that gpt 3.5 give you, fit and even you can make the changes to do things even better... So keep going with your career because that's what you like... And you know what... Today is Ai and tomorrow is going to be something else (my native language is Spanish... Sorry for my grammar😂)

[@aena5995]

@@vectoralphaSec same with data analytics?/can we do a masters in data science after bachelors accounting finance minor in business data analytics or is business data analytics better idk what tf to study lmao

[@I_Lemaire]

Thank you, David. I humbly agree with your position.

[@blitzer658]

man you know how in life the "stars align" both in your personal life and the universe at large? being interested in systems thinking lead me to your videos which lead me to discover your ai work and man it has been a tremendously helpful resource it feels exiting being at the right place at the right time thank you for all your work!

[@imantssafronovs9245]

Thank you for the great content

[@d4rkside84]

5 years.... man i like you, some stuff from u is over my head but i like youre videos they have so much content! greetings from germany

[@Marius.Vrancianu]

I can't think of any recent videos that I can click and agree more with! I'm an automation programmer myself, but have an academic background in history and archaeology. The conceptual origins of the University and history as a societal context-enabler are two arguments that I actually go to quite often when discussing among friends; David is damn right on these ones! As a side note, also, I'm actually pretty confident that if AGI/Singularity does have some sort of a "happy ending" for us, the study of history will stick around as an inherently human activity.

[@n8richmond]

These have been good lately. You're on the right track David, less doom and gloom.

[@user43643]

I have wasted my 4 years of college,now the course i studied doesn't even exist,lol!!!

[@KoroushRP]

What was it if you dont mind me asking?

[@user43643]

@@KoroushRP mechanical engineering

[@KoroushRP]

@@user43643was it recently automated?

[@user43643]

@@KoroushRP its all about engine,cars since these stuff are becoming electric,things are changing fast!!!

[@KoroushRP]

@@deeksharatnabadoreea7721i went to a top notch coding bootcamp a few years ago spending around 10 k, bad timing 😂

[@gavincstewart]

Hey David, I love your channel very much and I look forward to every upload. I just have one criticism with the newer videos, I don't like the glitchy text effect that pops up sometimes. I find it distracting.

[@cannonstrong1346]

I absolutely love your content brother

[@leonardo2108]

I disagree with this one. I believe that the entire education system needs to change. Everyone should have the opportunity to learn what they want or need at all stages of their life.

[@DaveShap]

I didn't say it didn't need to change.

[@leonardo2108]

I think it's crucial to highlight the growing gap young individuals face today between the traditional education system and the demands of the workforce. This often leaves them in a state of confusion, questioning whether to pursue a university education or opt for self-guided learning. I believe this is the core issue they're addressing.

[@vitalyl1327]

@@leonardo2108 what does the education system even have to do with the "demands of the workforce"?!?

[@BunnyOfThunder]

All fantastic points. On the point about tutoring: ChatGPT and other LLMs are cheap, easy tutors for almost any subject if you don't have a human readily available to ask. I recently became interested in the history of the Catholic church due to its impact on medieval history (and thus the modern day), and ChatGPT was a *fantastic* tool for asking about events, people, and concepts that I was learning about to get more context.

[@fanfanfanf]

David, I was thinking about going to to university on the weekends, but I'm gonna be 29 years old. Do you think it is too late for education or still early?

[@shantoakter3124]

if for the Degree paper then go but for education then no . internet will help you better in it . find people in the interested field .

[@KoroushRP]

According to david sinclair we’re gonna be able to reverse aging in like a few years, so prepare to live for hundreds of years if thats true. 29 in that context is nothing. Lol

[@DaveShap]

Exactly

[@laudermarauder]

It is never too late for education. You can get an education now. Education and university are not synonymous.

[@user-lu6yg3vk9z]

You can learn everything online. No need for college

[@typicaleight099]

I think that everyone should be higher educated as we can all contribute to our collective future, now if that should be done through college is debatable given its unproportional cost, but we can learn through many ways

[@KoroushRP]

I only partially went to college but learned most i did on the internet: youtube, wikipedia, reddit etc.. making sure the sources were credible. I dont wanna be egotistical, but im more educated than most people i meet in general. Most people dont know much about history, geography, different cultures, politics, how the economy works and numerous other different arrays of topics, and whenever i discuss these things with them they’re usually clueless. The info is out there for people to be educated, on the internet if they look in the right places, most people just dont do that, they spend their time online largely on entertainment and social media.

[@vitalyl1327]

@@KoroushRP I don't think most of the self-educated people are actually educated. They lack systematic knowledge, they miss on understanding how Scientific Method works. They have massive gaps in their knowledge and no tool for even detecting these gaps. They tend to think they're knowledgeable, but this is just a massive Dunning-Kruger effect.

[@needlesandsonics5819]

I love how people think UBI will be their saviors. They must be really poor people because if they think that UBI will provide a living wage they are sadly mistaken. Lucky if it’s 1200$ a month considering you can’t just pull money out of your ass. Secondly, human labor will always be needed in one form or another. I guess those humans have to make more than UBI or why work at all? Humans need a purpose and reason to succeed and live. Work covers that. If you do nothing but what you enjoy today on your spare time, how long can you enjoy that especially when you are broke? Too much of anything is a bad thing. You enjoy your hobbies because they come in small doses which gives you anticipation and excitement to do them. How would it be if it was always available? How many paintings can you paint before it’s just not fun anymore? And you’d have to give them away because no one could afford them. How many walks in nature are fun until it’s just the same old walk every day?

[@shodowhawk]

This is highly dependent on what major you choose. Many classes, especially in certain majors, do not have group projects, and in fact, you can select professors who don't require them or presentations. If you have trouble with social situations/awkwardness prior to going into college, this is unlikely to change just by going to college. University is still full of young, immature individuals. If you're not the get hammered party type, you're going to become invisible to most other social people there. If you commit to doing well and paying for your college, your time will be spent studying and working, not socializing. If you don't pay up front, you'll be spending the next 20 years working the debt off instead of socializing once you're out of college. You will, without a doubt, be more knowledgeable, but that's about the only guarantee you have when choosing to go to college, the job after, or the friends, or even the tolerance is not.

[@DaveShap]

This is a pretty narrow view of university and does not take into account the full breadth of kinds of universities, courses, and so on.

[@shodowhawk]

@4IR.David.Shapiro I respect your opinion, but as someone who went to university and knows many people who have gone to many types of schools/community colleges/majors, I am confident in the observation I've made and do not feel that anything I said is factually inaccurate. I don't know about Ivy League schools/individuals, but for the average person, there are definitely no guarantees.

[@finnaplow]

​@@shodowhawkhe did caveat for all of these sorts of situations towards the end of the video. I don't think anyone will claim that you are wrong about your own and others' experiences. Your story is something people will want to think about when they reflect on themselves and their own paths. David didn't make this presentation only for you though.

[@finnaplow]

​@glad777 that last sentence 😂

[@shodowhawk]

@glad777 I agree. It very much depends on the individual. Anyone going to college for a specific "experience" social or otherwise just needs to understand that there are no guarantees, and it might be a far cry from what they are expecting/wanting. It is better to know that before dropping thousands and thousands of dollars.

[@jdoghpitty123]

As much as I want to agree and take your points to heart, I don’t believe it’s worth the $30,000+ debt to be apart of the “higher class”, learn leadership/team building skills (which you’d learn in the workforce anyways), and cognitive abilities (which will naturally develop). I’d say it’s useful for you to have in depth study of a topic with peers, but I’d say it’s about to become especially outdated even in learning regards. Especially now with courses like udemy where for $80 I could become a practical Subject Matter Expert in a few weeks from home & chat with an Instructor/peers on forums. Although you make great points, I don’t see it being worth the money regardless for skills that could be obtained elsewhere. I still see college as outdated. I became a Principal Software Engineer working my way up the IT grapevine & self taught programming practice.

[@DaveShap]

Keep in mind that university debt is almost exclusively an American thing.

[@adamjacobschmidt]

I think it's fantastic advice but only for a small percentage. I was really counting on you to balance it out towards the end

[@echofloripa]

My son studies in a Montessori school, good to know that your experience was good ❤

[@Daniel-es9dq]

I got so much out of university. It’s not a job training spot. Hopefully people continue to have the opportunity.

[@pzdf8v]

Thanks for the video. I have a BA degree that was obsolete six months after i got it. I thought college was a waste, but you pointed out things that I never thought of and now I'm glad I went and stuck it out.

[@teenalatachoudhary8485]

I asked this question to you way earlier before you have 15k subscribers but I am getting my answer now after I joined a college cause of peer and family pressure 😅

[@DaveShap]

I remember you. Good questions

[@jefferymuter4659]

I dont think the economics are on your side for the 5 year prediction. Maybe 20-30 is possible. But still a little bit of pressure to get there imo. A lot of breakthroughs in energy, hardware, and alogirthms are still required. The only saving grace for something in 10-20yrs is an agi that can make the breakthroughs for us.

[@evanb2499]

I think regardless of the economic utility in a college degree, there will always be social value in attending a system like it. Hopefully we can make it more universally available as the name would imply…

[@seasy5642]

Did a year and a half of university myself, until I decided to stop. I do believe all the positives you pointed out can be accumulated in a year of uni already. Even though I'm certain AI will replace everything I am still toying with the idea of at least doing some online courses. Learning new things always brings me joy and whether a person does it through university or by self-study doesn't/won't matter soon enough. The best part about the current and definitely future AI's is the mentor everyone can gain which in my mind will eliminate the purpose of universities. The main purpose it could have is to find likeminded indiviuals with whom to discuss the topics. (And that's discounting probable transhumanist futures, which I don't think are long term but rather short term arrivals.)

[@brazaghi]

Great video again, I like vey much what are doing and contributing to. Finding our purpose in life is a long journey. One must learn about the world but also that which knows the world. So yeh, let s be driven by our passions and act our best accordingly. Education is one of multiple ways to understand and to know how things are connected. It’s a way to learn the unity that underlies everything. Be curious, be open, be humble. Thank you for all ou do man.

[@a7xfanben]

Really interesting video. I really hope you're right in the short/intermediate term about being able to major in whatever we want instead of feeling forced to do something for expected financial utility. Love your optimism!

[@finnaplow]

I would think college probably not worth the current risk. Whatever personal development deficits that arise from that would soon be corrected by ai companion/tutors far more effective than college and comparatively free anyway. It may be that the labor force is disrupted and we may be hung to dry for quite sometime before the gov steps in, economics change or whatever. There is a definite possibility that you could end up with a quarter of a million usd in debt and have to sit with it for years helplessly/hopelessly. Right? Idk maybe the gov will have to forgive its loans at some point, as there will at some point in this transition be a significant number of students with significant debt and no real means of repaying it

[@ydmoskow]

I live in Israel where everyone is drafted into the military. There are developmental benefits to being in the military, but would you say that going through military training should continue in an age where humans are no longer needed in the military ( at least masses)

[@onetruekeeper]

Study something in college that you are interested in and don't worry about getting a job. There are lots of jobs that A.I. cannot ever do as well as humans.

[@demonvictim]

The bigger problem is that the good chunk of students will substitute research for just the ability to ask questions which wont be interesting questions. The best thing will be having a large model of what questions has been asked by everyone. So that when a brand new question is asked we can count that as a contribution to history.

[@Cloudruler_]

Really awesome idea.

[@cxyntus]

Great content, as always. But please don't use that 'glichy' text-effect. It's highly distracting and just makes the text hard to read.

[@DaveShap]

But I think it looks cool...

[@cxyntus]

@@DaveShap Guess I'll have to live with it than... ;)

[@eltiburongrande]

CONFORM OR GET OUT. Confirmed. I've been grappling with this as a teacher of students who are transitioning out of the pandemic. They've been stunted by the abrupt shift to remote learning and academic ease. Now that we're "back to normal", they're expected to act and perform like nothing ever happened. I'm actively looking out for AI tools that can help address this deficit. I'm happy that most offer trial plans.

[@aena5995]

can we do a masters in data science after bachelors accounting finance minor in business data analytics or is business data analytics better idk what tf to study lmao

[@ZenBen_the_Elder]

Learning that DS went to Montessori school is on brand.

[@roguegryphonica3147]

I think unpacking the finer details of education and LLMs will influence how you understand how and why people educate the way they do.

[@AnimalAce]

I suffered through college. I'm not good at learning and would constantly ask myself....whats the point of learning this thing. Graduate school is where I really felt like a gained something. Sure it still sucked and I was still asking all the time whats the point? But it challenged me so much. Put me into so many uncomfortable situations. Challenged my brain "how are you gonna study for 5 tests next week with boards coming up?" My brain felt like I got more ram from it, not necessarily critical thinking though. That was already there from how I was raised. I also met some life longs friends too. Would I ever go back? Absolutely not. I still hate school. Do I regret it.....not really. But it's hard to know if I became a better person because of college or in spite of it.

[@AnimalAce]

Oh ya another reason I hate it. The cost. It's way to expensive for what you get. Why pay $1500 dollars for a class that has over 100 people in it? KZbin would be better. Or even making you pay for an internship. They MAKE YOU PAY TO WORK! Thats worse than slavery in my book. Anyway......how yall doin?

[@clearandsweet]

I can't believe there wasn't any talk of finances until over 26 minutes into the video. I would even label that as a huge blind spot. Sure the college experience is great and makes you a more complete person-- if you don't have to pay

[@taze9948]

There are A LOT of ways to get into college for not too insane prices, and you also generally make more with a degree so it's more of a investment

[@YesitisDex]

Lol advice for the general public, yes. But this question is the same as should I go to college when I can learn about anything online and on KZbin.

[@davidevanoff4237]

Wonderfully comprehensive presentation. Felt there was a gloss on bad outcomes seeking university educations. NPR reported last week enrollment is dropping as more people are no longer seeing degrees as good investments. I doggedly earned a STEM degree decades ago. It turned out okay for me, but put me at high risk. I thank my lucky stars I'm not homeless now. Hopefully university endowments will let the institutions persist for the next decade until the economics of education change for the better.

[@phen-themoogle7651]

I'll check out the video in a bit, but my general opinion based on the title is "only go there for meeting new people" well at least for me it was hard making new friends after college (i.e. I haven't really made any new ones and just stick to who I know from college and a couple from Highschool, despite being in my 30s) . But if there's gonna be easier ways to socialize in real life without college around that age then I don't think it's necessary. There were only a few people I could tolerate or really get along with, and that was the main reason for me to go to almost any school. I really hated the education system and just wanted to do other things that school didn't offer. Well at least I got to hang out with some people. I'm happy for the next generation if they get more freedom in their choices, but at the same time it might suck if nobody is capable of making real friends in real life anymore. 22:00 yes! this is what I meant too, being able to communicate is crucial.

[@liamknipping4811]

I love your content and its extremely informative but I don't like the new graphics and floating text above the slides i find it clutters the screen and I don't know what I should be focusing on your voice? The Slide? The random floating text? Keep up the good work but make it Great!

[@garethbaus5471]

One thing you should definitely consider if you are looking for higher education is that a lot of community college degrees especially for the gard to automate trades have average pay estimates that are in the same range as a bachelor's degree while taking less time and costing a lot less money. Obviously this isn't quite as long term of a perspective as the video in general.

[@GaryBernstein]

So is home schooling 2 SD better if eg 1 parent teaches things they know like elementary school math & reading? NYC spends $37K per student per year. For that money every parent can hire a private tutor nearly full time. So aren’t public schools vs teachers unions (funding can still be public) a huge failure per results per $? Team player: didn’t you do it in play, sports or in school? Cons: uni costs a fortune, takes 4-5+ years, and many degrees & pov aren’t helpful, and even v harmful You left & worked towards your great career, but you advise others to stay? Everyone has deficits and it’s not scientific to say no uni grad is why you have yours WTBS uni is good for some people but not so much for the reasons you give. As for history, ofc, but you learned that outside the university, outside the state “liberal indoctrination” (that often funds it), as you called

[@BoRisMc]

I always say, and I’m not kidding, that I really started studying when I finished college (with very good grades at that). College is outdated imho

[@DaveShap]

I've definitely heard that. Most learning happens after college

[@urbrandnewstepdad]

You’re putting the cart before the horse. More conformist and cooperative members of society tend to go to college, it’s not college making them more conformist and cooperative

[@iPhD-Intelligence]

I think college is valuable is a much deeper way even if it's $20k to attend for 4 years. You can be a good person, be smart, not be a blue collar dumb person, which makes a better world.

[@RB-yj9ng]

College requires a great deal of time and money, and now it's colliding with the most advanced time in our history. Ray Kurzweil already said this decade will move as fast as the last thousand years of human advancement. Every field will be impacted especially education. Education is nice and may make you well-rounded with good experiences but that is really all it will do against the wall of change hurdling toward us. The future of young kids will be vastly different than that of their parents. CEOs of tech companies have been very worried that the time it takes to achieve a certain skill set or degree it will no longer be relevant by the time you are done because the speed of technological advancement will have changed it several times over.

[@winwithchristina]

David, this is the best video I've ever seen on should you go to college or not especially in the age of AI. Thank you!

[@bigbadallybaby]

It feels like since the end of the 1960s societies have become increasingly locked in ways of functioning. The school- college work, career path has become the focus for government and people and businesses It’s hard to imagine breaking away from all these structures we have become so reliant upon to give our lives a progression. I’m part afraid and part excited by what happens post 4th Industrial Revolution….

[@Cloudruler_]

Not all societies live the way the West or Far East does. We have had a plethora of systems and experiences in human history to draw on. Study anthropology, look into Buen Vivir as well.

[@JacobJ0626]

Im learning a lot in college and am gaining valuable experiences. Yesterday my political science class had a conversation about the potential impact of AI on our political system. It was great. I also gave my professor and classmates who were a little older valuable insights about AI and how instead of being fearful, we should be open to learning how to adopt this technology and grow with it

[@DarylAntony-j7f]

Learning how to think amongst human peers is pivotal to the human learning experience. That being said, our relationship to syllabus will fundamentally change IMO

[@remsee1608]

If you have to take out debt then prolly not worth it the value from college comes from the friendships you make

[@DaveShap]

Hopefully college will be free for all once America truly joins the 21st century...

[@justinleemiller]

Child care isn’t a horrible thing. Many people would like to spend more time with their kids, especially when they’re young. We should be helping people to do that.

[@rjjr7064]

I am going to college simply because its free for me. I am using the GI bill from the military and am in between choosing careers. This is a great transitional thing to do in between i feel. Id never go if i had to pay...

[@aena5995]

in my country its cheap can we do a masters in data science after bachelors accounting finance minor in business data analytics or is business data analytics better idk what tf to study lmao

[@TheMajesticSeaPancake]

I wouldn't be surprised, particularly as lifespans increase, if we raise the minimum required years of education.

[@YogonKalisto]

i wonder if when conversational ai emerges fully what the effect this will have upon literacy, i think we all know

[@JT-xb6zs]

I see what you’re saying with the benefits of going to a university or some sort of college but you’re being very generous. I know a lot of people post graduation that are just as ignorant and intolerant as people I know that didn’t go to college. When I went to college a few years ago, I would say at least 40% of students were completely disengaged in the classroom and focused on partying and having fun with friends. which is fine but when you’re paying 60,000 a year you could do that at home and not ruin your ability to get financially ahead instead of crippling student loan debt. College nowadays is like Starbucks you’re not really going for the coffee cause you could’ve made it at home you’re going for the experience.

[@bentray1908]

Dave, I generally agree with you but question your label as an 'ultra-ultra-progressive.' I perceive many progressive policies as instrumental power-seeking strategies that don't align with a blueprint for human flourishing. For example, the 'high-low against the middle' tactic, 'luxury beliefs,' Thomas Sowell's critiques, attachment theory, and the advantage of two-parent households all contribute to my skepticism. Could you elaborate on how you reconcile these elements? I'm open to being persuaded and am genuinely curious.

[@hyponomeone]

My personal experience: I went to what people would consider a 'good school.' Turned out to be a ringer (I was in engineering, a decent portion of the students couldn't hack it by design) and if you fell behind it was either pay them more or change your major. Neither of those were great, which is why I dropped out. The rise of AI specifically I tandem with education will destroy academia with personally centered lesson plans. The general IQ of the populous is rising bc of new tech - there's no way it survives another 2 or 3 decades, imo.

[@user-lu6yg3vk9z]

It won’t. College has been done for years. KZbin Peter Schiff College

[@alefalfa]

Poppin some animation my dood

[@ezequielgarraza283]

In argentina college is free. You just sing on and go. They even give you acceed to subcised food.

[@ryvyr]

I am just catching up to this video, and disagree with Anthropocentric priorities, and rather that being Ecocentric insofar as seems feasible seems the more prudent priority. Otherwise I agree with overall premise of Eudemonia :>

[@markinfranco5184]

I appreciate this video. I’ve had some struggles with motivating myself to keep learning computer science/ data science because it will likely be automated in the future. When we frame things differently and think in terms of how learning and pushing oneself can fundamentally change you as a person and allow you to think differently/ improve your internal model of how the universe works the time and effort don’t feel like a waste.

[@aena5995]

can we do a masters in data science after bachelors accounting finance minor in business data analytics or is business data analytics better idk what tf to study lmao

[@adamjacobschmidt]

Your final thoughts clearly express that you have a ginormous bias because of your friends and idealism.

[@adamjacobschmidt]

Anyway overall this is an awesome Channel and I appreciate it

[@henry-js]

University is more expensive than ever and less cost effective than ever. I dropped out after first year and worked in the industry from the bottom and worked my way up until I found an employer who would invest in me to pay for it. Not sure if you have them in the US but apprenticeships in the UK make far more sense

[@fR33Sky]

I totally agree with STEM. I wanted to get a peculiar medical degree, but due to some family issues I got into physics. Now I know how the world stuff! CPUs are still magic to me though

[@gunterstrubinsky9452]

At the university you learn also critical thinking in combination with the universal knowledge that you should receive in highschool and extend in college if you broaden your classes topics. You also learn to apply philosophical AND scientific procedures and what information to trust and which not so much. 'doing my own research' changes its meaning significantly from what the general populus refers to today. all skills that are badly missing in today's world.

[@franciscodagnino9280]

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said, yet university is neither a guarantee nor a requirement to acquiring any of these traits. I've interviewed and hired hundreds of analytics and research professionals from all sorts of backgrounds and dozens of nationalities. If I've learnt anything about degrees is that they can only certify someone stamped a diploma. In an extreme not-so-distant future where "doing" is commoditized through all sorts of AI implementations, language, creativity, drive, empathy, emotional intelligence, and the whole spectrum of "humane" traits will allow professionals to be far more competitive than what any current secondary educational paradigm I know of is prepared to admit. My burning concern with your interpretation is that, as an employer, I tend to default to a university degree as a starting point to even assess a CV because it reduces so much uncertainty. This is precisely the evolution of the industrial age educational system most of us have become accustomed to. As a proud owner of some sort of neurodivergence and father of 2 toddlers, I would love to see a future where any sort of formal education is but one of many common paths towards financial independence and stability. Love your content, David!

[@Dan-oj4iq]

Re: Cocktail Parties. Back when I used to go to them, I found that the best way to get yourself shunned at one is to be able to converse and have a little bit of knowledge on any topic that comes up. It intimidates the hell out of most people. And there really is really no way to slip in that knowledge without offending some people. Most people love it when you pretend you know nothing. Yes, I could have been going to the wrong cocktail parties, but I don't think so.

[@DaveShap]

Maybe this is why I don't get invited anymore 🤪

[@Dan-oj4iq]

@@DaveShap No Dave! You get invited because people know ahead of time that you are smart. People like me aren't supposed to know all that much in the first place and popping that bubble doesn't make them too overjoyed. As lawyers always say: "Never ask a question that you don't know the answer to".

[@jaredgreen2363]

Any prediction on the bounds of actual workforce participation numbers, and how low they can go?

[@stevedavenport1202]

Close to zero. I think the only work force we will have will be a few humans who make sure the machines are doing our bidding.

[@yuuisland]

i haven't read the comments so forgive me if i'm repeating them, couple points of feedback: 1. the glitchy text (e.g. for patreon/linkedin) is very distracting for me, and detracts from my experience of your great videos 2. the scrolling text (e.g. the 'liberal indoctrination' blurb) was painful on the eyes and not easy to read, as it's text scrolling over text 3. the font used for these overlay texts is also, for lack of a better term, "ugly"; not a UX person so i don't have the vocab, but it's quite jarring when contrasted with the font used in your slides overall great content though, keep it up!

[@dhrumil5977]

Ahhhh this video feels like motivational advice from a big brother ❤❤

[@d.d.jacksonpoetryproject]

Even if it’s something that potentially has no future as a profession due to AI?

[@taze9948]

Everything potentially has no future

[@rgonzalo511]

Idk about the whole going to college makes people happier David. As far as the data that ive read most of the upsides in inter personal relationship satisfaction stems from college grads just being more intelligent and having "better" personality traits(patience, work ethic, being responsible, dilligence, agreableness etc). I dont believe in this idea that if you make anyone go to college they will automatically do well in life. It just doesnt work that way.

[@user-rd6tuYuf]

Why must I be better when the ones above me never does?

[@hadykamal7711]

David, would there be Universities in 5 years! AI is likely to disturb the education sector and take over teaching; the one-on-one that you mentioned; Stability AI is doing that. I agree that university teaches you a lot, but a lot depends on which study you do. I'm a science graduate, pure math, which is very vertical study and taught me nothing about history or culture etc; most studies are like mine, very specialised. I don't think you have missed much not finishing a degree, we all have to do what you've done; learn about life, either we have a degree or not.

[@stockpile2137]

I left college because it felt like an environment that favored people who enlisted on sport teams or lgbtq community. As a single male whose not good at sports and heterosexual, I felt like an outcast. Another point, if college graduates were responsible why did a report just came out that 62% of student loan borrowers refusing to pay their college debt? Doesn’t sound responsible…

[@OneLeggedDiver]

I’m 27. Never went to college. I have a business golf ball diving. If we can actually live indefinitely, I’m going back to college. I have a passion for astronomy:) not golf balls. I don’t even golf…

[@user-lu6yg3vk9z]

You know you can learn astronomy on your own right?

[@RenkoGSL]

I loved College! I definitely think any older than 25+ or whomever thinks they are too old should go, but I understand being shocked by a young community. I went a second time and joined an Intervarsity Christian club. The immaturity was very hard to handle, seeing ages from 18-22 hate bash on other religions like Buddhism was tough too. I was 26-28 and they weren't accepting of disabilities either. It was a pretty bad experience with the Intervarsity Christian Club, so I would recommended if you are older finding a club based on academics and not based on other interests. Because clubs like ACM, STEM, and what not realize they need to be professional so age doesn't matter as much. The church-gossip as you will was off putting for sure. Sorry venting! Over!

[@halfordmunene3121]

System thinkers, end of reductionism

[@ApersonOfColor]

I always wanted to know y our philosophical views even deeper, like your view on God, morality, consciousness, materialism, etc

[@Markb22]

KZbin is the new and best university you can attend too! You have access to all knowledge that can be visually taught and learn in the grasp of your hands 95% for free

[@phieyl7105]

I can see people being trained using AI without an acedemic institution. A person's grade can be assessed by an AI simply by the actions and temperament conveyed to it, and that grade determined depending on the AI personality. No more tests or homework.

[@rubemkleinjunior237]

Also, understanding "why we are where we are" based on the history that is thought, is a flawed argument. History is told by who? You know who, the winners. So if we are learning a history that benefits a specific groups narrative, and that history is "shaping" our decisions, can we be ignorant to think we are not vulnerable to manipulation through information? Though university was great for the arguments you layed out, it was also another reinforcement to patterns of thoughts that made ignore my authenticity for years, and feels like a hard place to get. I still randomly resort back to fitting in and pleasing others like I was thought at home, and reinforced at school and university.

[@DaveShap]

You're talking about decolonization. Yeah, obviously

[@heygreydey]

well at least humanity gave it the old college try… …thorough presentation 👍

[@jungleinc]

University was never meant to be a trade school