Should You *Hold Down* An Active Shooter?

[@USCCAOfficial]

If you were in this scenario would you detain the active shooter?

[@troydodson4837]

I have train grappling martial arts for years so yes

[@Daves_Not_Here_Man_76]

No. I would terminate the threat

[@scottwilliams5196]

I guess I would have to someway. We get so focused on the events leading up to that, there isn't much planned for after that. Are there any legal issues to think of? They may gamble that I won't pull the trigger on an disarmed person.

[@GmanGSW]

It depends on the threat's condition. If they are still able to move, too easily, yes, I'd detain (Tae Kwon Do & some grappling background). If the threat is down, wounded, no longer a "threat?" I'd leave the threat there, removing any firearm or other weapon from their reach... I wouldn't want the person to hurt myself, anyone else around me or for me to make them "worse," if I've "immobilized" them... The situation would dictate.

[@gw6496]

It all depends on a lot of thing's, cops roll up and may shoot me instead has been know to happen.👌🏾🤔

[@brucesmith5501]

Weighing them down with lead works for me

[@bigswingface5847]

That's why I carry. I don't carry to physically engage a shooter.

[@THE_Glass_Grizzly]

Rigor Mortis. That's the most effective leg lock on an active shooter. Neutralize the threat to save lives, unless they've given up and you have some way of safely restraining them with zip ties/ cuffs.

[@benmoyer1911]

That's what I asked too. Can citizens use cuffs or heavy duty zip ties? I'd like to see the answer to that question.

[@3nertia]

@@benmoyer1911 In many jurisdictions you can perform a Citizen's Arrest if you witness a felony being committed, so you *could* zip-tie someone but are you really gonna everyday-carry heavy-duty zip-ties or cuffs? Lol

[@benmoyer1911]

@@3nertia I used to be a PI and carried a set of cuffs on my belt. I don't even know if I was supposed to carry them then but I did. I'll have to look into the citizens arrest and see what is and isn't allowed here in the area that I live in. I think I need to know what I need to tell an individual before I could arrest that person. I can't just say "hey dude, you're under arrest". 😂

[@3nertia]

@@benmoyer1911 Cuffs are heavy lol

[@3nertia]

@@benmoyer1911 Indicate the felony you're performing the arrest for and then do it and then IMMEDIATELY notify the actual authorities

[@Rykeron]

I would prefer to learn how to knock them unconscious

[@mixter7x7]

i'm leaning towards the idea that blood loss will soon cause him to hold himself down with no further effort from me.

[@13BGunBunny]

What should I do with my firearm so that I can perform that leglock maneuver?

[@gmoney1592]

So let me get this straight . Someone breaks into my house and threatens my family . After I neutralize the shooter I am supposed to put my firearm down and put him in a leg lock? I don’t think so

[@alexandermcdole8464]

Lol I'm with you, Only leg lock he or she's getting is going to start with a G.

[@eugeneharris5081]

yea i stopped watchn when he said pick his leg up😂

[@alexandermcdole8464]

@@eugeneharris5081 lol

[@seanthefilmaker]

Useful technique IF the situation presents itself.

[@danielmorgan6779]

I have used this technique many times in my life, but now if they decide to attack me or they have a gun or other weapon, I will simply use my gun! I'm a seventy year old Veteran that use to help train cop's this and how to ground fight and protect their weapon at the same time. I am not able to do the things I use to do. I really wish I could. So if it comes down to it, I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by six!

[@thisguyiscool4826]

I am a 30 year old man and will still use my gun over this. It just seems a lot more effective to save my life and everyone else's

[@larrymcintyre4407]

I agree. Why is he still breathing?

[@jimbo3615]

Thank you for you service!

[@jamesanderson3799]

I've always thought that USCCA videos were good information...Are you F*>*ng kidding me on this?

[@400yrs.]

Yeah right!!!

[@patrickdaly5068]

The figure 4!

[@MrKeith75]

Thank you for the video!!! I really wish you were allowed to defend yourself in Mass. it’s a very difficult state to live in when it comes to defending your life and property.

[@stevekiss616]

As a retired LEO and instructor, I have to say that there are too many variables and unanswered questions associated with this scenario for anyone to be able to answer such a simple question. However, if you find yourself in a 1on 1 situation like the one portrayed here, you may legally try to contain the shooter provided you have the physical means to do so. I would suggest using the leg technique only if the shooter had first been incapacitated. If he is in full fight mode, your arms are no match for his legs.

[@rileygrosch192]

The Derrick Chauvin works pretty well.

[@mikecampingforfun5226]

I'm a retired detective with 27 years on the job. #1 the sub. will be kicking and moving around and trying to get up. #2 Joe citizen would have to practice this move for hours a month to actually use it, if he can.

[@Anon-greyman]

With these latest videos I'm starting to think that uscca is just another Detriot urban survival training...

[@michaelshapiro1543]

Bad idea for me. Escape if possible. If NOT, my GOAL is to make him/her an in-active, non-shooter. (I don't give detentions.) HOWEVER, your control position & how you get there provided interesting information. Thanks.

[@charlesvanhorn6034]

My wife and I both own a pair of handcuffs so if a intruder broke into our home and we didn't have to use our firearm in the act of self defense say the intruder surrenderd or we ordered him to the ground which would be the first thing we would handcuff them and frisk them and wait until police arrive

[@B3RGIE]

Yikes

[@Enjoyer.762]

Save the cuffs for the kinky bedroom stuff. You sound like a wannabe cop lol.

[@charlesvanhorn6034]

Hey its a perfect plan to me we detain the suspect until the cops show up and then they take him to jail and no one gets hurt of course if we had to use our firearm in the act of self defense we would we are both uscca members and train hard everyday to stay safe and to defend ourselves if necessary

[@paulfiebke3909]

Thanks and God bless you and most of all God bless America 🇺🇸

[@wyliek1978]

I have had to use this as a security guard waiting for cops to show up. It works great.

[@pjbiggleswerth8903]

Has this EVER happened in the "field"? EVER? Also: Attacker: ill just lay here for ya hoss. This is nice.

[@frankbutta9344]

Exactly! These little tricks work best on a compliant assistant.

[@vinnieboombotz2001]

Much easier to restrain after two center mass.

[@youngc1mission]

🥇

[@tc6818]

If this works so well, how come we never see videos of police using this move when they're dealing with a large perp on the ground that is still struggling? It would have been nice to see how I'm supposed to prevent the perp from crawling/squirming out of this hold. My life could depend on it.

[@Drengr-Wulf]

Jus knock the perp out

[@Drengr-Wulf]

Because its a terrible idea

[@thisguyiscool4826]

I wrestled in high school and know I can easily hold someone down. That being said, take a bjj or some other solid grappling class. Just like shooting. These things take lots of practice and repetition in order to actually be able to use them

[@gohmchin]

Lieutenant Dan got his legs back!

[@batboy555]

And by hold you mean shoot

[@charlesward8196]

Directed from a position of COVER: “Get down on your hands and knees, get down on you belly. Put your arms straight out to the sides. Cross your legs at the ankles. Turn your head, and look away from me. Don’t move. If you try to get up, I WILL shoot you.” This is how to “hold down” a person.

[@patrickmchargue7122]

Big grandson!

[@markmonse5285]

If there are multiple bystanders available to keep a perp pinned down, beware of too many people piling on, creating the potential for compression asphyxiation. I'm sure some may not care about the perp's condition, but it would be sadly ironic to catch your own charge if the perp dies from someone not using some restraint.

[@ketorising81]

Big nope. I’m going to legally use distance, my firearm and my family’s established security plan to keep us all safe and alive. Ground techniques will never come into play if I have the option.

[@clocksurfer]

Statistically, it seems most likely that a confronted active killer will kill him/her self. I'm starting with trying to induce THAT. (Sorry - NOT sorry.)

[@XRedJar]

Agree.....this is a good way to get in a brawl, and possibly have my firearm taken away. If he's an active shooter that is down, he'll stay down or get put down until he stays down.

[@richardefriend]

Very interesting. But personally, I've concluded that for an old guy like myself, shooting the perps knees (or feet) makes it far easier to not have to worry about the perp getting up and harming you (assuming your first volley doesn't do the trick). Just kidding. My first volley would definitely do the trick.

[@56panheadff]

riiiiight!!! i was born in the morning but, it wasn't this morning

[@darklighthouse999]

Sounds like dangerous advice to me.. maybe Lt Dan watches too much WWE.. unless you’re trained and as physically cit as the perp, you would just be putting yourself at more risk.

[@stephenbesch5331]

Subduing compliant partners in slow motion can make it look so easy, right? In reality the "I put both hands on this knee" step is immediately followed by the perp putting his other foot through your face. What a load of crap.

[@Enjoyer.762]

WWE lol! Like some cheesy poorly choreographed finishing move, lol.

[@Enjoyer.762]

I found it, lol. Rick Flair's leg lock 😆 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bnSWcqecbqyBo6s

[@drp1bb856]

Interesting video, but it didn’t really get into the legality of should you or not.

[@Drengr-Wulf]

This is perfectly legal. Its called a citizens arrest. And u are dealing an active threat.

[@drp1bb856]

@@Drengr-Wulf Things aren’t that cut and dry in NY. Here if you have the money you need to walk around with a team of attorneys. That’s not me so I must always ask obvious questions in other states.

[@gryphon1911]

IMHO, given my background in martial arts and real life situations, this only works if the active shooter complies or if you have force in numbers to subdue the assailant. There is just too much that can go wrong with this and I would really not recommend this being done. Even if you have superior numbers, this would be difficult to obtain unless you've all trained together and know how tyo work together as a team. I'm not confident that this is the thing that anyone, untrained should even attempt, and training should be done by someone competent, qualified.

[@foreclosureofadreamurbex5420]

A wise man once said evil cannot be dead enough I'll be dead enough. That's where I stand.

[@DoctorQuackenbush]

"Spree killer" please Kevin. 8>) Thanks in advance. (I could not care less that LE uses the term.) And, I'll pass on holding a suspect. Thanks for asking.

[@superstallion97]

Lt Dan must be a fictional character from the hollywood hit forest gump movie to think that this is going to work in real life.

[@FRamirez1A]

Now try doing that against someone that is actually fighting you back......

[@GruPoo]

My legs do not work well. Slight line of duty issue. Can I use my cane to wack his bits and pieces? ;)

[@cx3268]

Send 3.5" x 6" postcard to enter, if you already a member like I am - REALLY!

[@tc6818]

Figure 4 Leg-Lock, Mozambique Drill, To-may-toe, To-mah-toe.

[@garyeddy8546]

I think once a shooter is disarmed you would have plenty of help holding them down.

[@1hasbeen531]

I just don't have the strength to risk going hand-to-hand with a hyped up perp anymore, sorry. You have to own up to your limitations.

[@PewPewRealEstate]

Sorry, this only seems to work if the attacker is not fighting back. You should lose Lt Dan number and call Jeremy Horn. Reach out to me and I'll set that up.

[@peterdelfino140]

I see somebody’s been watching Detroit urban survival tactics

[@h3rotor783]

Active shooter. You are in a position to make a difference. My end goal in that situation is to encourage the shooter to become fully compliant.

[@JWH-01]

That would work if I were younger. I am smart enough to know that I am too old and disabled to win in any hand to hand altercation. I will NEVER allow a criminal within arm's reach. The decision as to whether I pull the trigger or wait for police is up to the criminal. If he comes toward me, then the decision has been made. He chose the fight. I didn't.

[@SCarter76]

John, I'm with you. Distance is your friend! If the criminal decides to escape, I'll let him/her go and give his/her description and last known direction of flight to the PD when they arrive.

[@kristensorensen2219]

I'm with you on who chose this. If they run away that solves my problem....

[@Frankie5Angels150]

How is a home invasion an “active shooter situation”?

[@jstud999]

Ahhhhh it can easily become one. Are you just assuming people who break into house don’t ever start shooting every witness inside? However doing this leg lock is probably a bad idea unless your trained and even then it should be used as a last resort.

[@connorjohnson9230]

This reminds me of Detroit Urban Survival Tactics, this may just get someone killed.

[@thepenultimateninja5797]

What are the legal implications of this? Absurd as it may seem, once the person is no longer presenting a threat (eg. mass shooter is disarmed) it may not be legal to continue to threaten them with deadly force (a gun) or restrain them. I expect in a situation like this, citizen's arrest laws would kick in and protect you, but it's not as black and white as it first appears.

[@theshadowtalks]

Wow, I make pretzels just like that.

[@davidallegro3395]

No way, might have more weapons, only 1 way to stop a bad guy. And that is dangerous

[@obligonnation1]

I think most of us would like to think that we're here with enough you're willing off to detain an active shooter to the reality when the stuff hits the fan, it's the fan, I'm not sure what I would do!

[@scottwilliams5196]

Same here brother.

[@Nogitsune117]

Training and repetition, find a martial arts class and they may teach a lot of locks and throws. But specifically during an active shooter, the chances you would have to put them on the ground (without shooting them or getting shot...) may be slim anyways, also not counting if there are other threats in the area and now your tied up with this guy...

[@scottwilliams5196]

@@Nogitsune117 I'm no kid anymore, so the less I engage the better. I'm likely to make myself a hostage. Still, even the average Joe has to do something I suppose.

[@davidsuminski4243]

I see a few Insurance Policies being rescinded here lol 😆

[@thisguyiscool4826]

My plan is to hide and hope for the best. If they come close enough I will attempt to end the threat with my gun

[@jbigha1]

Ridiculous idea, one hand on foot one on top of foot guy will kick out unless he is your grandson and does not try. Watch cop/prison vids where 4 guys cannot hold guy down! He is not same threat without gun.

[@kenofdarkmachines8415]

Looks like he was about to the regal stretch on him

[@kauboy9816]

This is an excellent way to get kicked. You won't be controlling a crazy person just because you have their heel and toe. Assuming they will comply and roll over is not realistic. One person lays across the legs. Another person applies knee pressure between the shoulder blades. The suspect is not getting up. All this is predicated on the idea that a civilian will have the wherewithal to approach, disarm, and subdue an armed attacker. I'd much rather distance be maintained and the attacker be held down with $1-2 worth of lead, center mass, delivered at high velocity. Nobody has to get close to the crazy person.

[@reasonitout9087]

"Let's all join hands and pray together shall we?" Then make it 1/2 hr prayer to allow time for police response. Include in your prayer "God please give responding rookies the peace and wisdom not to mistake me for the perp and kill me." OR Create Separation. Meaning you get the heck out of there or/and let the 3 bad guys run. Then do all the legal stuff with police.

[@ElainesDomain]

I prefer the Dirty Harry method.

[@Sourpusscandy]

Turn on the damn lights so we can see!! Exposure is way too dark. Just because you want to hide the junk in the garage….

[@benmoyer1911]

This video didn't really answer the question of "should you". Although it showed you two techniques of the leg lock, that makes it seem like the decision has already been made to temporarily detain the assailant. So what about the answer to the title of the video? At what point does a person decide to detain the assailant or not? What if the assailant is twice the size of the defender? This leads me to ask, what other techniques can be used to detain an assailant? Can citizens use hand cuffs or heavy duty zip ties?

[@syne5738]

TAKE A JIU JITSU CLASS

[@etsonos]

This is probably one of the most ineffective methods I've seen to control or subdue someone who is a threat. The number of steps required to properly perform this makes it completely impractical. Not only that but the person you were trying to subdue is not going to just sit there and lightly kick his legs in a way that will allow you to continue your procedure. He is going to be full of adrenaline and there is no way that this maneuver is going to play out as described in the video. To me, this is an example of the police training I received over many years. They were well thought-out procedures and Maneuvers but seldom were able to be used in the dynamic aspect of fighting for your life. As law enforcement we have a duty to deal with a threat at the most non-lethal level that will actually stop the threat. As civilians we're not necessarily Bound by that same rule. If someone is defending there's or someone else's life they can use whatever measure is necessary to stop the threat, up to and including lethal force. The best method for taking out an assailant is fast and direct debilitating moves. The quicker you can take out the assailant the quicker you can secure the safety of others and yourself.

[@ivansalcedo1625]

I thought lieutenant Dan did not have legs 😂

[@nicholashahn3476]

"Detroit Urban Survival Training"

[@eddiearchuleta615]

Zip ties

[@MRPosserLivestreams]

This is a good last resort if you don't have a gun, in a "federal building" or other places which puts stupid signs about banning guns, but does nothing to enforce it! If the bad guy's down, keep him covered with your sidearm, call 911 or retreat to safety. Don't try to tackle him at all! He might have a sidearm on him, or a knife or might still be able to grab your gun away from you!

[@crowlimite]

At least give the purp a black eye like the police do

[@screwitimout4920]

They give them a lot worse than that

[@CWHolleman]

Not sure that trying to hold down someone who no longer cares if they live or die is a smart move. Either shoot them or spend your efforts making sure others around you are able to flee and are safe.

[@DoubleplusUngoodthinkful]

Your first mistake was disarming an active shooter. There's only one way that situation should end, and that's with a dead active shooter.

[@charchark365]

Not to say this gentlemen doesn't know what he's speaking of but just like all other real time moments the bad guy will be fighting back the entire time so it would not be oh so easy unless you are continually training for these moments, even then if you're smaller than the bad guy good luck over powering them.. or if you're out of shape let's say, again good luck moving and reacting as you would need to for this to have any effect.... if you can disarm a not so good guy best thing to do would be get the gun and get the hell out of dodge.. let the police handle the rest weather they are on scene or not.....

[@benmoyer1911]

It's against the law to leave the scene of the crime. Taking the perps gun/knife/crow bar/whatever and then leaving and the possibility of him/her leaving too is just ridiculous. At best, have everyone move to a safe area and ask that witnesses remain to help in your story to the authorities. If you get the hell out of Dodge, you become a possible suspect.

[@charchark365]

@@benmoyer1911 Sorry but you're wrong. One if your life is in danger it is far from illegal to get away from the situation, yes that does include taking whatever wepon from someone that is trying to harm you. Two if you contact the police to let them know hey this just happened, you can also follow the directions of dispatch and provide all information needed while at the same time placing yourself in a safer place away from the bad guy... Life is more valuable than your witness account and if the police aren't at the scene in that moment then you are only putting yourself in more danger by not getting away from the possibility of more violence... Different states different rules, different circumstances different approaches for your own safety...

[@benmoyer1911]

@@charchark365 that's why you stay there and keep your gun. By all means, be the first to call 911. Leave the scene of the crime when you had to use your firearm is definitely against the law. There are too many ways to keep the assailant immobilized. Call your defense attorney and ask. Some states have a requirement to retreat but that's before the assailant is disarmed. If the assailant is disarmed then why in the world would you then decide to retreat? Makes no sense at all.

[@charchark365]

@@benmoyer1911 Dude this guy is showing how to "disarm" an offender... had nothing to do with using your own firearm.... I understand you want to be right but you've completely miss interpreted the video along with what I'm saying... but hey I'm glad you know what you do👍

[@catherinecarney721]

Get tf down you move I shoot that’s it.. I ain’t holding nobody down lol

[@TarkMcCoy]

How to restrain him? Don't take him alive.

[@MSG1776]

Okay, finally have chime in here, I am a HUGE fan of USCCA and will be forever, but PLEASE STOP with the Gun Give Away advert, I have been watching these videos every day for the past, what, three months now??? and it seems like the Gun Give Away, is always ending "very soon". Would it be to much to ask that you just say you have a Gun Give Away and leave it at that OR more appropriately, actually provided the last date to enter. I find myself getting distracted from the great content you all provide and focusing on when the Gun Give Away is really going to really end----haha! I apologize if I seem a bit annoyed, well actually, I am, but hey I still apologize for it! Anyway, Kevin I love your presentations, always candid, always clear, and always on point (well except for the Gun Give Away part :)).

[@ninjasquirrels]

For the Al Gore rhythm.

[@MrHoustonmichael]

And then you find out the truth

[@PrideSage99]

Unless you see the shooter fire at somebody without provocation, and there are potentially more than one person shooting... Get the hell out of there, you don't know if he/she is an active shooter unless you witnessed that person attack another unprovoked. There is too little information in this video, and this is going to spread many fragments of bad advice.

[@JustinDavito]

This seems too complicated. I’m curious what the self defense lawyer would say to do. Do you pin him down or let him run? Could this result in a false imprisonment accusation against yourself? Or other problems?

[@Enjoyer.762]

Especially if the suspect is a jogger. Jogger criminals have BLM privileges.

[@dogalmighty1]

This seems like a really quick way to get your ass kicked and then sued into poverty.

[@davidlusk1988]

Doing this assist opening yourself up for a lawsuit once he's disarmed just back away wait for the police every Runza please confine him don't put yourself in the risk of losing everything you've ever worked for in your life

[@christian_bushcraft1490]

Ineffective. As a former LEO and Combat veteran and multiple black belt in martial arts this video technique is unrealistic and does not apply basic leverage against a resisting opponent.

[@Arsity]

I already learned this from D.U.S.T. 🤭

[@stevo4535]

If you are in the situation where are you have to detain an active shooter for the police to arrive, wouldn’t people that are watching this video also be carrying their tools on them and you wouldn’t have to detain the active shooter?

[@Drengr-Wulf]

Never depend or expect anyone to help u. Even family and friends

[@kylej.740]

Can’t believe you got Rittenhouse to volunteer for that.

[@terryjohnson7196]

Why is it that the LAW-ABIDING, CONSTITUTION acknowledging Citizens are REQUIRED to show CRIMINALS love and respect and sympathy and empathy, whereas they would use these tactics to assault and brutalize the LAW-ABIDING Citizens.?

[@ronaldwoofer5024]

dont do this, ull just get arrested for assault & attempted kidnapping

[@jimhanty8149]

Sssssshhhhhh… ya gotta be kidding me..You Or Y’all , Beat him senceless , then sit on him …if he starts moving around again ,beat him some more…wash -rinse - repeat …. Until the cops get there…

[@roborracle]

how can it end really soon when every video you've done for forever says the same thing? Just sayin'....

[@westsideranger7985]

Lol are you sure your not rick flair woooohhh!! And I would not try this technique if he still has his gun and you grab his foot while he is on his back you might take a blow to the chest neck or face. But if he is completely unarmed No Knife or Pistol and you have good Jiu Jitsu or Wrestling experience and are willing to roll and scramble you should be violent as possible as if your try to kill with your attacks but your better off running and hiding then fighting should be last for the average civilian/human/citizen/creature of any kind/bicycle. Or You Could just Shoot him ☝️🍀

[@Surferjo]

if you have a firearm stay far away pointing at them "I WOULD NEVER TRY TO HOLD THEM" if they come in your home you pull the trigger and their dead?always call #uscca after 911. (JUST ME)......

[@merlinwizard1000]

32nd

[@DirtDigglerDetecting]

More people should train. Any Martial Arts. Defense starts when you wake up. As Kamala Would Say, We defense to train we do.. LOL

[@bravenkirok3142]

What is this guy look like Kyle Rittenhouse being manhandled?😆

[@sammyjaketucker]

Idiocy...

[@vincea1430]

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!! Good luck with that!!!