Should You Install Windows 11 On Unsupported Hardware

Should You Install Windows 11 On Unsupported Hardware
Many people are still on old computers that don't meet the windows 11 system requirements, but should you install windows 11?
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[@Britec09]

Are you using Windows 11 on unsupported hardware? Let me know in comments below.

[@Brochito69]

always here

[@ghost-retro3733]

Yes, I am, since windows 11 came out and never had a problem.

[@a3j4s7]

yes , i5 4670k

[@JRose-zn7iw]

Since I.P. build, no issues of any kind.

[@thearphaxadstv]

yes since it was released

[@LenCarey]

Hi Brian, I've been running windows 11 on 2 old basic unsupported laptops for about a year now and have not had any issues. In fact, I find they run better than on windows 10.

[@TomokoAbe_]

They could deactivate your OS at any time so you better back up your data.

[@paulwarner5395]

@@TomokoAbe_ They could but they would get trashed on social media.

[@TomokoAbe_]

@@paulwarner5395 Do you honestly care Microsoft cares what people think? They have a monopoly in the computer industry.

[@paulwarner5395]

@@TomokoAbe_ They will if their stock dives.

[@vicarx7153]

Which generation are they?

[@give_me_my_nick_back]

The real reason they have made this requirement is because the OEMs have pushed MS to do so because we have reached the plateau with no real need for an average user to upgrade 10-15 years old laptop unless it breaks. Like for real i'd say as low as 2nd gen intel is perfecty fine for most of the users

[@morcjul]

Spot on reply! I would consider myself a power user an still have my i7 4790k

[@PREETHAM_SJ]

What about 1st gen i5

[@give_me_my_nick_back]

frankly, it was garbage, the worst ever generation, you were better off sticking to core 2 duo back then than get 1st gen i5/i7, 2nd gen though, is still pretty good for any daily use and even latest games on low settings

[@ethimself5064]

Happy with 10 Pro 100%. I am Unsupported for 11 and happily so. Although am interested in 12 down the road, hopefully. I can hardly wait for Windows 18.1 Pro when it rolls out. 🤣

[@writerpatrick]

I have a feeling that Microsoft will drop most of the restriction on Windows 11 when 10 expires. They may also do that when they announce 12. Otherwise they could be accused of artificially forcing people to buy new computers and causing e-waste.

[@3Toy]

Is it updating from within windows 11 settings normally like on a supported ones ?

[@AidanMacgregor-Personal]

​@@3Toymine does I'm in 4th gen i7-4770

[@3Toy]

@@AidanMacgregor-Personal Thanks, I am with i7-6820hq and considering of upgrading

[@samuraiwarriorsunite]

Especially when you consider that some processors that meet the requirements can barely run it while others that don't could run it with ease.

[@jimjmcd]

I have a feeling they won't. They are artificially forcing people to buy stuff, and they're not at all afraid of being accused of it. What's the worst that could happen to them? Do we think the corporate world will express their hurt feelings by converting to Apple? Or Linux? Microsoft doesn't think so. The truth is that, as long as we're running Intel and AMD hardware, we don't need new operating systems. The ones we have are working fine (at least until the next pointless update). And Microsoft (and Apple) have huge warehouses full of system programmers who have to do something. So they divide their time between breaking things that they can then fix and fixing things that aren't broken.

[@Noiconnotag]

Video idea - how to install and configure a dual boot option win10/win11 by installing an additional drive (mechanical/ssd/nvme), just in case upgrading from Win10 to 11 on an unsupported hardware will cause issues and render your pc useless. I guess another more economical option would be to create a partition on your current drive and install Win 11 on the new allocated partition. I have done this before with Win xp and Win 7 when I had a retro gaming pc. This could be a mini series of videos.

[@reubenmorris487]

I find just keeping a cloned drive around is easier.

[@gernblanston4956]

I still love watching your videos on Windows 7

[@Britec09]

good for you

[@rickh8380]

I'm still using Windows 7 as my daily driver. I keep multiple backups and have software and hardware VPN's. I might give Mint 21 a try. Take care all. Cheers

[@AndersHass]

All those security updates you are missing out on. Then soon Chromium no longer working, RIP.

[@rickh8380]

@@AndersHass Yeah you're right. Going to make the jump to Windows 10. Cheers

[@AndersHass]

@@rickh8380 then I guess Linux Mint once Windows 10 no longer gets updates (at least on old unsupported hardware) lol

[@jeffgardner860]

I have done it on 2 older computers, 1 was 2012, the other 2016, no worries and both work fine!

[@steve2me414]

1.42 I'm going to say yes to your question I've done it. And Windows approved of it because they're the ones that installed the windows 11 on my really old computer, everything works perfect. But I must say that they're using my system as a test, everything seems to be working great for the last 2 years.

[@AmilaNadeera]

Very helpful video. Thanks

[@GeoSam]

Thanks Brian. No issues with my hardware thankfully.

[@Britec09]

Good to hear

[@readdeadlife]

Wow, what a great informative video 👏 thanks

[@dbbias1416]

Thank you for this very helpful video ❤👍

[@KeronBullock]

Good video! I believe what Microsoft could do concerning updates on unsupported hardware is by enforcing license checks for hardware through the updates but then again that can be disabled through the registry unlesd they hardcoded tge requirements properly

[@Britec09]

Thanks for sharing

[@KeronBullock]

@@Britec09 you're welcome

[@GamingLiveHDChannelPH]

Nope as Manufacturers like intel already pulled the "Support Plug" & intel Celeron 6th Gen was the one to do so

[@jonronnquist]

I just upgraded both my legacy systems from Windows 10 to 11 Pro. It's not something I had even considered doing until I ran across a KZbin video showing how the upgrade can be done using a mounted copy of the official Windows 11 disc image from the Microsoft download page and a single instruction in Command Prompt. Both systems are built on the Intel socket 1156 platform. One is an old Dell XPS running a 1st gen Core i7 860 and the other I built myself using an ASUS P7P55D motherboard from eBay, which has the slightly faster Core i7 880. The XPS PC has 16GB of DDR3 1333MHz RAM and a Radeon HD 6870 1GB GPU. The Custom system has the same amount of RAM, but running at 1600MHz and the GPU is a GTX 1060 3GB. Windows 11 is now running seamlessly on both systems. I suspect this is because both CPUs, despite being over a decade old, are 4-core, 8-thread chips boosting to over 3GHz and the PCs have the considerable advantage of using SSDs instead of HDDs. The only advice I would give anyone doing this is to remove any and all non-essential components from the system during installation. The XPS sailed through the instal without a hitch as it's a pretty bare bones setup, but the ASUS system ended up reverting to Windows 10 three times before I removed the Wi-Fi/BT and USB 3.0 PCIe expansion cards and the external Cooler Master USB ARGB controller. Once Windows 11 did install, it would also crash every time I plugged an ethernet cable into the RJ45 port until I downloaded and ran the driver installer provided by Realtek. There were a couple of mystery components in Device Manager that weren't happy about the migration, but nothing a little online research to find the missing drivers couldn't solve. The Asus build was a hobby project inspired by nothing more novel than my desire to find out if I could build a PC with modern functionality on a legacy platform. I now have a 13-year-old motherboard, CPU and RAM configuration with functional USB 3.0 ports on the front I/O (and 5 on the back of the case), Wi-Fi 6e and BT 5.2, Full ARGB functionality controllable through software, and a modern(ish) graphics card. The fact that it is now running Windows 11 is kind of the cherry on top.

[@zerocal76]

You my friend are like me, a fan of old tech and bc of that, you wish to keep it running. I have used the same method you mentioned to install W11 on a i7-3632QM. And of course that baby is in a Thinkpad T430. Cheers 🍻

[@johngoard8272]

Well Brian I run Windows 11 pro on my old Ivy Bridge perfectly well for as long as it has been possible with the bypass stuff, and in fact it is as quick as when I built it. I understood that the TPM was for security but my ESET does that anyway and I am not worried about encrypting data all. My CPU an i5 3750K runs as fast as any other current processors and I still think that Microsoft are in cahoots with hardware manufacturers for moneys sake.

[@AndersHass]

The issue isn’t performance for old hardware but various security features. Lots of unsupported CPUs that even has TPM 2.0 build into them. The line seems to be about virtual based security, which isn’t even on by default and many would probably turn it off even on newer CPUs just to get better gaming performance, lol. But possible it will be on by default at some update. ESET is software security and not security on a hardware level, which TPM is. But it can be very much possible Microsoft does set the line as they did to push for more PC sales which often gives them money via licenses on those new PCs.

[@johngoard8272]

@@AndersHass Thanks Anders I agree with you 100% and I shall carry on using my non hardware supported as long as they will let me. My main desktop is an Ivy Bridge build that I put many hours into building with all the bells and whistles. Having said that I have bought two TPM plug ins but they either the wrong pin configuration or simply did not show in my BIOS or anywhere I checked. What is bothering me is the rumours about Windows 12 OS will it be just as my current position or not available?

[@AndersHass]

@@johngoard8272 depending what you use your computer for, I would just install Linux Mint instead of trying to install Windows on unsupported hardware. Rumors about Windows 12 is it will be modular and have AI stuff. So possible it would require hardware that can accelerate AI workloads, then that will push for even more new PCs to be bought, lol. At best I would think Windows 12 will be like 11 in terms of requirements.

[@johngoard8272]

@@AndersHass Yes Ander that is one option and I have used Linux Mint in the past and the last time I did it seemed to be more user friendly.

[@AndersHass]

@@johngoard8272 Mint userinterface does also very much resemble "old" Windows (like 7). So one might have more familiarity with it than modern Windows if you have used Windows for a long time, lol. I am not gonna be judge of which one is more userfriendly. So if you basically all you do is webbrowsing on the computer it should be more than fine, especially when it is old hardware (better compatibility with older hardware than newer). Possible if you have some unique hardware it might not work (or at least very complicated to get it to work). If you need gaming then the improvements Valve has done has helped a lot but it isn't perfect so possible some things are missing. Then also possible other specific programs missing but possible there are alternatives one can use if one is up for learning that.

[@paulg5437]

If you have a PC/Laptop at the "Business" or "Gaming" level its definitely worth taking the Unsupported Hardware upgrade route. I was looking at some of the big Retail stores and was shocked to see that a lot of lower cost Windows 11 systems barely meet the minimum Hardware Requirements - so you can end up with a new PC which is actually slower than your old one! Looks like manufacturers are scrabbling to empty their old spares bins.

[@lancemanipis3879]

Gee, I hope desktop linux gets more traction.

[@slaydog5102]

​@@lancemanipis3879Linux users have been saying that for 5+ years

[@SpeedUpThatComputer]

I installed Windows 11 on a dell optiplex with an intel i5-6500 that i use everyday. I can't afford a new pc that'll fit my needs and the last laptop i had did support windows 11 but literally runs worse than the older desktop which is the dell optiplex i bought refurbished on amazon. It's likely because the laptop i had bought in 2019 had a dual core intel celeron and only 4gb of ram. I did replace it's hard drive with an SSD but it only got a little better. It still barely did youtube without taking longer to load everything while the optiplex loads youtube instantly.

[@Ace1000ks19751982]

I am using Windows 11 on 6 computers that have unsupported hardware. I only have one computer that have supported hardware. I didn't have problems using Windows 11 on my old I7-4790k, I7-4790, I7-4770, Dell Precision T5500, Dell Precision XPS 9000, and a Dell Precision T1650.

[@petercarter9034]

I've been using Windows 11 on my 8 year old HP with no problems at all, isn't there a registry hack to get rid of the watermark ?

[@louisax4058]

My next version of Windows will most likely be Widows 12

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

Freudian slip 🤔

[@louisax4058]

@@MrKentaroMotoPI lol

[@LugiDergX]

Would be preferable in my case as well but I wouldn't mind getting Windows 11 if they keep on going with the crap ideas with next systems.

[@douglasdjcosta]

Yes, install it will. The problem is keeping the micro functional for a while. I have a HP dc5800 Quad-Core Q8400 Small Form Original but spiced up, that is: SSDs, Video Card and Memory up to its maximum limit. The MoBo itself, original HP is native to the Windows Vista system. However, I use Windows 7. I ventured down the paths of Windows 10 and 11 and then the headache started. In Windows 10 the machine behaved well, even without drivers for that OS the Windows 7 drivers worked (apparently). But after a while, the blue screen error "DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE" started to present itself after boot. So, I continued the journey to the extreme limits and installed Windows 11. The installation, configuration and the system itself worked without problems, no crashes or slowdowns. But the processor being a Quad-Core did not stop having processes in progress reaching the machine in Stand-By with a level of 84% of processing (this with a kilo of services turned off). And yes, it wasn't long before the "DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE" error also appeared in Windows 11. It is notorious that the "DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE" error in about 75% is driver failure/incompatibility, 20% installation failure and 5% Hardware failure. I disassembled, replaced, reversed cables, bought new cables, new SSD, cleaned memory, video cards, new power supply and everything. And always after boot. All existing techniques and resources via CMD and Powershell by technical nodes were unsuccessful. Today I reinstalled clean Windows 7 with all HP drivers, my games, programs and such. Optimized the OS using now in classic Windows mode. The animal is flying like a Boeing 787 Dreamliner. The "DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE" fault disappeared, there was no error/failure in any Hardware or component of the machine. It was a matter of system incompatibility. Yes, it is possible to install Windows 10 and 11 on old hardware, however there will be failures. As much as you don't notice it or it doesn't happen at first, but later on with the flood of updates that Microsoft does, that's when it appears. Software is always designed for nearby machines, with new technologies. Hardware technologies that go along with the OS. It's the same as wanting to install Windows XP on a Pentium 3. It will work, but... Today's updates, in these new OS, do not have old drivers or updates, but new driver versions for use in new hardware. Opera summary (at least for me): Installs but doesn't work. And the cause? simple: drivers Douglas Costa - Level 2 IT Operations and Support Specialist HP and Dell Training Base

[@purpose_is_empty]

Did you install the windows 7 drivers manually in windows 10/11? Or did you just use the drivers that 10/11 downloaded via updates?

[@douglasdjcosta]

@@purpose_is_empty I installed it in two ways: either manually or through the update. But Windows 7 started to give instability problems in several programs, so now I'm back to Windows 10. However, I redid the drivers saga once more and the DRIVER_POWER_STATE_FAILURE problem continues. And now the machine works like this: it performs the first boot, is stuck for about 10 seconds after starting the OS and automatically resets after the error due to the blue screen, but on the second boot the OS goes up perfectly, without any errors, 100% functional and running Windows 10 smooth, that's what's weird. I noticed that, in the first boot that gives the error it does not upload the drivers of the installed HD's and SSDs, it only uploads the drivers later in the second boot. And all over again, reinstalled in various ways and driver versions to no avail.

[@darkalligator]

Is not about people not liking 11, its microsoft forcing you to buy a new computer.

[@Ralphunreal]

11 is awful

[@nevan2201]

they arent forcing shit, stop being an idiot

[@dotakid]

does activating it using an activation software or making it to pro remove the watermark on the lower right?

[@davinp]

The WSA and Google Play Games Beta require an SSD. I don't know why Microsoft decided to support only 8th generation or newer processor

[@PatrickGoodspeed]

Disabling automatic updates would be a feature.

[@JeffreyJohannes]

Or There is another option: Doing Nothing. Just keep using Windows 10 even after they get unsupported. Isn't that a good thing, no interruptions from updates. The thing is when Windows 10 first came out, people actually criticized besides about privacy since it gather too much user data, is that Windows 10 has too many frequent updates, using too much bandwidth since Windows 10 needs to downloading updates in the background and installing it in the middle of user using the computer, resulting in reduced performance and request for restart in the middle of workday. But now since people are getting used to get update frequently, they are getting worried about not getting any updates.

[@aymenchraf]

the applications support for Windows 10 will stop after a period of its end, the recent versions of programs such as Chrome, Office and more will prevent you from installing them on Windows 10.

[@JeffreyJohannes]

@@aymenchraf Yes of course, but you can still download and keep the older version of the software. I still keep my Office 2016, Photoshop CC 2020, and Mozilla Firefox 115, because I have one machine that can't be upgraded to Windows 10 and stuck at Windows 7. When Windows 10 gets unsupported, I'll probably doing the same thing. My friend still keeps their even older version of Office and Photoshop, because he still has a computer that uses Windows XP and can't be upgraded. If you really don't care or don't need to use the latest software, I don't see any problem not using latest software besides security. Speaking of security, the best protection is actually yourself. If you're not being stupid, going to the website that you probably shouldn't, you'll be fine.

[@JeffreyJohannes]

Oh BTW, Microsoft starts to showing watermark on the latest build of Windows 11, telling you that you have unsupported hardware. I can't wait to see what they will do next, perhaps blocking activation or updates for unsupported devices. Or even worse, preventing the system to boot at all.

[@richardcastro-parker3704]

@@JeffreyJohannes if they prevent the system booting with people's data on it they will be in hot water. They will have to give unsupported hardware users a warning first.

[@JeffreyJohannes]

@@richardcastro-parker3704 Yeah they should notify people if that happens. LOL. The point is, they know that you're using Windows 11 on unsupported hardware. So, I can't imagine what Microsoft is going to do about it, to enforce the system requirement. And so What the third party software makers (like Photoshop, Google Chrome, etc) going to do about it? How about if those software refuses to install on unsupported Windows 11 device? It seems that Microsoft and Others wants us to buy new device. If you keep using the old device with Windows 10, you'll be unsafe because Microsoft no longer support it. But, if you're installing Windows 11, you'll have to deal with Unsupported hardware nonsense, which Microsoft doesn't want to support you either. Other option is to install Linux, but not everyone wants Linux on their computer.

[@jaygreentree4394]

I installed win11 using rufus. It does all the hacks for you no need to mess with config files manually. I dont use it much but it does run on my HP z230 workstation.

[@tinicum54]

I quadruple boot. 3 linux, Win11, on a Dell Optiplex 990 from 2011, 0 issues so far. Updates have not been an issue. I prefer Linux, but installed 11 as an experiment.

[@richardankrah33]

I'm watching this on Windows 11 on an unsupported hardware.

[@Britec09]

Nice, thanks for watching

[@UncleBoko]

I'm running Windows 11 22H2 on a Lenovo ThinkCentre with a Bios date of 25/09/2013, with SSD. A few annoyances yes, but otherwise runs very well. I would recommend using SSD on any unsupported machine, as WIn 11 installation is slow and unreliable on HDD.

[@aldntn]

Recently bought below 11 spec laptop really cheap. Win10 installed. I now don't hate win10 nearly as much as I did. So, I can go Linux or wait for win 12.

[@Argyll9846]

This is a bit off topic but I wonder if you could answer this question. I have an old computer with Windows 10 Pro on it that I updated from W7 to W10 (free upgrade). I've just bought a new system to replace it and it's coming with W11 Home edition on it. My question is, can I use my W10 software key to update my new W11 Home, to W11 Pro and if so how straightforward is this? I think W10 Home will meet my requirements, but I'm curious to find out if I could upgrade to W11 Pro should I ever want to do that. Thanks for your help.

[@AndersHass]

Easiest way would be to tie the license key to a Microsoft account, then disable it for your old PC to then use it for your new PC. I do believe you have to do a new install to go from Home to Pro.

[@Argyll9846]

@@AndersHass Thanks for that information, which is good to know.

[@mink99a]

If using unsupported hardware is stopping automatic updates then using unsupported hardware would be a great to stop automatic updates. 😅

[@LugiDergX]

A great double edged sword. Double the advantages, quadruple the disadvantages.

[@Sid-Cannon]

I've been on LTSB / LTSC since I moved to Windows 10 in 2016. I'm currently on IoT LTSC 21H2 and plan on staying there until it stops getting supported in 2032 and then re-evaluate. If games stop working on Windows 10 before then I'll probably jack in gaming. I'm in my mid 50's now and gone are the days of installing a new OS from scratch unless it's absolutely necessary ...

[@erroneouscode]

Lol. You're very optimistic if you think you can keep Windows 10 running until 2032 without a reinstall.

[@AndersHass]

Probably better to game on Linux at that point.

[@Ashallino]

I don't know if I'm the chosen one or something, but every time when I think of installing Windows 11 in my pc, a KZbin notification pops up just within mere minutes, in some cases seconds. 😅

[@MylarDaleToloMDTTV]

Although all other requirements on my PC for W11 are met, my processor is AMD Athlon 200GE, which is officially not eligible for the CPU requirement.

[@Gamer-x8b]

Eww you pc has an dual core Ryzen CPU, gross!

[@ryan3128]

I've a laptop that's run Intel Celeron N3050, obviously it didn't reach the windows 11 requirements. But one thing I've noticed and interesting when open task manager is on: Windows 10 - uses 2% - 7% cpu usage. Windows 11 uses 30% - 37% cpu usage. However it might depends on system hardware, not too sure... I think if Microsoft create a lite version of windows 11 for unsupported hardware, that would be good.

[@Britec09]

Lite version of windows 11 coming soon

[@primoroy]

My 2016 top line DELL is "unsupported" but works better on 11 vs 10. I had to turn OFF updates to stop new issues!

[@waynefoutz]

I'd say either run Windows 10, which has three more years of support, which is an eternity for most users, or, what I did, I upgraded my first gen Ryzen to a second gen for about $30.

[@jorugby1988]

You are right that people are reluctant to change, but in my personal opinion Microsoft did mess up with Windows 8 & 10. Windows 8 was clear, people just didn't like it. Windows 10 wasn't great, because it had two ways to change settings Settings & Control Panel. What's the point in having both? Choose one and group all your configurations together. I personally also don't like the layout of start that much. On the plus side for Win10 powershell is much better than command prompt. I installed Win11 on an originally Win7 computer, it works. I don't get the message on the screen though.

[@LV4EVR]

Other than the native inability to move the taskbar to the side (GRRRR!), I actually find Window 11 to be a better experience than Windows 10, and I was very happy with 10. I do have an older PC or three that will soon be making the unsupported upgrade.

[@MrKentaroMotoPI]

GRRRR! - I'm with you

[@renegeeder]

Get something like Start11 or StartAllBack, you can keep whatever fancy stuff Microsoft has implemented but tweak it further to your hearts content.

[@LV4EVR]

@@renegeeder Currently using ExplorerPatcher which does allow positioning on the side, but has some issues. May have to try one of those, but hoping Microsoft will see the error of their ways and restore this ability! Always prefer to not rely on third party options for OS-type functions.

[@jarheadcharlie2315]

Ummm... Right click on the taskbar and select Taskbar Settings. Select Taskbar Behaviors at the bottom of the list. First option is Taskbar Alignment... select Left.

[@LV4EVR]

@@jarheadcharlie2315 Ummm ... not where the *icons* are located; where the *taskbar* is located. In previous versions, you could put the taskbar on the top, or either side, vertically, as you still can in most versions of Linux. This is clearly a step backwards.

[@JayfkProductions876]

Well unless you live on the edge & secure your OS yourself, knowing that Windows 10 is near EOL in few yrs Windows 11 isn't a bad idea.

[@KodeLearn]

I have i7 6500u 16gb. If i install window 11 with some heavy softwares like android studio and linuc on virtual box, will it be okay?

[@sonou6263]

Sir can I switch from windows 10 to 11 Lenovo Thinkpad t460s i7-6generation 8/256 gb ssd. Its harmful for my laptop or not??... Plz suggest me❤

[@technoWZ5598]

Meh, I think if you want to try Linux, that's a better option. If you want Windows 11 though, go all in! I use Linux Mint, because my hardware is not supported by Windows 11. Linux runs a heap better than Windows 10 ever did, so I'm glad I switched. I don't intend on going back to Windows unless I absolutely need it. I would hate to think what Windows 12 minimum requirements are going to be like

[@fantashokata]

I will soon be switching to Linux too

[@technoWZ5598]

@@dreaper5813 Good! I can say the same thing. I only use Linux now

[@gomes-fonseca]

linux man? really?

[@AndersHass]

Windows 12 seems to have AI stuff so possibly you would need hardware that can run it easily lol.

[@technoWZ5598]

@@AndersHass I'm not using newer versions of Windows, I might just go to Linux, even on a gaming PC

[@RedPill780]

How does using a new operating system affect USB and SATA speeds on old hardware?

[@slammer153]

My question is will you get the big updates every year like 23H2, 24H2 ?

[@Beast80K]

Sir, I would like to ask you, Is Windows 11 really any good than 10, how stable is it ? I'm thinking of installing 11 but needed an opinion from you.

[@AndersHass]

If you got supported hardware I would only recommend installing Windows 11 if you want the new features it has while Windows 10 still gets security updates. Then install Windows 11 once Windows 10 no longer gets updates (which is so far set to October 2025).

[@LugiDergX]

@@AndersHass I much more recommend to install Windows 11 once you know for sure they stop updating that one as well. Will prevent any future headaches. And no, do not wait until they go EoL with it. Wait until they abslutely stop caring about it.

[@AndersHass]

@@LugiDergX the context has just been Windows 10 and 11, and Windows 10 still gets updates so I am confused what you mean by "they stop updating that one as well", like do you mean Windows versions older than 10? I wouldn't recommend using a system that no longer gets security updates. By the sounds of it the program support also sounds very limited if you wanna wait that long until using it, lol.

[@HomeOfMacWoeffie]

Runs like a sunshine on my system, and that's an oldie...

[@Britec09]

Nice, thanks for sharing

[@kepler186f4]

Thanks Brian, you always have informative videos! I'm surprised you didn't mention Windows 11 Lite.

[@Britec09]

That is coming

[@torinux4980]

They don't recommend the switch to Win 11 in unsupported hardware, because Win 11 use more resources. If you release a new software, and you allow being run in low-end PCs (most people have old PCs) the performance will be poor and then your software will be deemed as terrible when it is more a hardware issue. I was hesitant to install it on my backup PC (an i3-6100) and I was shocked to see that I have had zero issues (so far) whenever I use that PC in my bedroom. Now I can enjoy the Win 11 UI on both, my studio and bedroom PCs :)

[@nonsuch]

I like Windows 10. So, other than the updates issue post 2025, is there any reason to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware? From what I see, it's not any better or worse to run the software you're currently running on 10. I just think it will take more system resources away. I know RAM requirements are a little bit higher on 11. From my experience, everytime I upgrade to a new version of Windows, I get less out of the hardware.

[@auteurfiddler8706]

Yes! They keep saying that isn't true, but every system I ever upgraded OS's slowed down considerably. ME was 40 percent faster than XP, XP was 10 percent faster than 7, 7 was 10 percent faster than early Windows 10, early Windows 10 was 5 percent faster than the newest Windows 10. I can only guess what 11 will be. I don't understand why no one agrees with me. I have probably upgraded many times on a variety of hardware and got the same results always. I can remember having to dual boot so I could play some 3d games on ME since they ran well, but they were borderline unplayable under 2000 or XP. I guess the only reason to not install the OLDEST operating system is security updates. I just installed a dual boot of XP and Vista on an old dual core laptop. (2GB Ram) You also can use a better web browser the newer your OS.

[@nonsuch]

​@@auteurfiddler8706 Well, I agree with you. My first PC (not including computers I had in the 80's i.e. Commodore, Apple, etc.) was a Tandy 286 / 8 MHz with 2 MB of ram running Windows 3.0. Trying to put Windows 3.11 for Workgroups on it was like carrying an extra 100 lbs on your back. I skipped the 386 and went straight to a 486DX 33 with 8 MB of ram to run 3.11. Then Windows 95 came out and I remember the commercials stating my exact system specs as the minimum to run, and this is their exact wording... "perfectly fine". So, I bought the upgrade, installed it, and ran on my system for sure... at half the speed of 3.11. I was really pissed and immediately uninstalled it. I didn't use Windows 95 until I bought a new Pentium system a year later. Then Windows 98, came out. I upgraded and it ran 25% slower. So, the trend continued and is still the same today. Long story long, EVERY OS upgrade will use more resources and slow down your system period, full stop.

[@jvp3640]

Have to disagree with you point about people moaning about upgrading to a new system. I've tried most versions of windows since 98 and I remember how so many of those upgrades felt like actual improvements, and we looked forward to them. Stability and security made major leaps with both XP and 7, but since then it feels like we are just getting bloat, telemetry and other resource hogs. If it was a viable option for me I'd still use Win7, but it isn't and I switched to Win10 shortly after 7 went EOL. The advantage of waiting so long ensured that there were plenty of information and tools around to de-bloat 10 and tweak it so it actually feels decent to use... Now when Win10 goes EOL I have not figured out what to do, enterprise support is meh as many games and other thing are likely to dump 10 once home and pro reaches EOL. Right now I'm rooting for Linux, improvements are being made at break-neck speed on compatibility and user-friendliness. I really hope that gets to a point withing the next two years where it'll be a viable option as Microsoft seems more focused on adding bloat and gathering user-data than providing actual improvements...

[@AndersHass]

There are Linux distros focusing on user friendlyness. Linux Mint being one and its GUI is also very similar to older Windows like 7 (one might prefer it over Windows 11). Main issue with it could be support for newer hardware, but if one had newer hardware you could just use Windows 11, lol. Another issue could be unique hardware not working since they are made to work on Windows. Main issue with gaming is anti cheat so I dunno if you have to play various multiplayer games that uses that. But some online games do work thanks to Valve pushing them to allow it so people on Steam Desks can play those games.

[@AndersHass]

​@dreaper5813interesting way to get more people to use Linux. The biggest reason so many don't use it is also because people won't bother installing it but use what they have already installed.

[@AndersHass]

@dreaper5813 I did write some games, possible one would say a lot instead, lol. I think pretty much all anti cheat software can work with proton, so it is just up to developers to enable it for their games. With the success of the Steam Deck it would push them to do so, so they can play it. Ye it is sad with all that ewasted hardware.

[@AndersHass]

@dreaper5813 my original comment is in general for a Windows user and not you personally. Totally valid you dont care about games who won’t bother supporting Linux/Proton.

[@JRose-zn7iw]

I just wonder if one day Microsoft sends a security-check bullet...and millions of P.C.s are rendered useless. I also cannot provide my clients with potentially unstable/unusable O.S.s which is hard to get some folks to understand. Run don't walk towards 8th Gen and up hardware, before everyone realizes what's about to happen...prices have already started climbing. Great topic!

[@Britec09]

It would not surprise me

[@lawsonic]

Ask your doctor if Windows 11 is right for you

[@matthewday7565]

I can see one of 2.5 things happening as the witching hour approaches for Windows 10... 1. Microsoft make it easier to upgrade to 11 "unsupported" 2. They grant a year or two extension to Windows 10 2.5. They don't extend Windows 10, but may consider the occasional one off patch for the most critical of critical security issues, like the WannaCry patch for XP

[@Britec09]

All very possible

[@give_me_my_nick_back]

Yes, it works like a charm on 4th gen intel. There is no reason to trash it just because the MS wants you to waste money upgrading perfectly fine pc. Its a nonsense, even i3 4th gen would be enough but I run 16c 32c 3.6GHz 4th gen xeon, it's probably 4 times faster than your average brand new laptop i5 xD

[@davinp]

A problem for businesses in the USA, is they may have computers that are several years old that do not support Windows 11 meaning they will have to buy new PCs

[@Britec09]

A lot of businesses have software that requires certain OS as well

[@SpeedUpThatComputer]

It's basically a cash grab. The manufacturers make their money and microsoft makes some as well on each pc sold due to licensing of windows. The more they force us to upgrade the more money for them.

[@doctorrobert60]

I have a laptop that qualifies for windows 11 update and tried it and did not like it. I rolled back within the allowed window and had issues with windows update not working afterword. I had to contact Microsoft support and the tech tried to do repair install of windows 10 and did not work. He then had to do complete reinstall of windows 10 and this messed with my laptops drivers not to mention need to reinstall of programs. It was a complete PITA. I hope updates keep working because in it's current form do not like windows 11. Thanks for all you do Brian!

[@michelwong1]

I just spent some small money(USD26) to a tech shop to upgrade my DELL 【e5570 i7 6600u】with TPM 1.2 to Win 11 Pro, Ver 22H2, OS 22621.2070 on 30 Jul 2023. It looked simple, the guy took out an USB stick, format my M.2 SSD, installed win 11, did some modifications to the system here and there, boot / restart / update 。。。。。。 So far so good after new installation !! 3 Aug 2023 。。。。。。。👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@spinb]

My question is: Should I wait until Oct 2025 to move to Win11 on my "supported" PC? Any reason to switch now?

[@michaelhenderson5098]

My question is will I live to Oct 2025? :)

[@ad1340yt]

@@michaelhenderson5098 Blud.

[@morcjul]

I see no reason against installing Win 11. I have an unsupported i7-4790K and have no issues

[@Taz6688]

Three of my systems were able to upgrade to Windows 11, but now are no longer able to, I am a late adopter, waiting for the bugs to be sorted, but while happily waiting one system has failed to pass and two processors have been dropped from the compatible list, so now none are able to install Windows 11.

[@mishecknkhoma]

People are going to switch to win 12 once windows 10 is unsupported. Just like people moved to windows 7 and shipped Vista when win xp was unsupported. The same way that people switched to windows 10 after win7 expired.

[@BoomMediaSocial]

It works really just fine on my Intel 6th Gen laptop

[@janmillerty4528]

Runs perfectly for me even without TPM.

[@mungox1]

the question is why should anyone upgrade ? I tried it & there weren't enough good features to keep it.

[@shaunnathanson6905]

I work for a IT reseller and we have to install windows 10 on 8th gen units we still selling 2ed gen laptops. Hell we even sell windows 7 duo cores.

[@Derakkon2]

I don't mind change, what I do mind is advertising in my OS, the UI getting more complicated for no reason (hiding certain settings and adding more clicks to do certain things), forced software installs such as One Drive, forced updates that cause me to lose work, forced updates that cause bluesceens that have to be recovered, etc. Microsoft is making their OS objectively worse. I've switched to Linux now and enjoy it so much more. I only keep Windows around in a VM for the handful of programs that I can't run in Linux.

[@davelake67]

Where can I find the necessary CPU list please?

[@N0WYO1]

One of the nice things about moving to Linux is that you don't have to worry about this crap. I've had really good luck with Linux Mint.

[@Look_What_You_Did]

Nobody asked you loser.

[@AndersHass]

Linux Mint is almost made for Windows users on old hardware lol. With the improvements Valve is making on making Windows games run on Linux makes the issues of Linux fewer for most people.

[@LugiDergX]

Well yeah. Congratulations, now you have to deal with much more annoying issues on your own dumb move to go there.

[@N0WYO1]

@@LugiDergX Kinda dumb for you to assume I had any problems. I've been working in linux now for nearly 15 years. Kinda dumb for anyone to act like4 a sheep and go where everyone else goes.

[@LugiDergX]

@@N0WYO1 Not really dumb for anyone to do that. Besides, I'm not a sheep as you say. I know all about alternate OSes. I just do not care to use them because Windows at the moment is greatest viable option with power combined from both Linux and Android, thank you very much. That is a purely dumb and ignorant judgement. I do not say though that you had any particular issues but outside of that Linux generally comes with it's own set of issues like any other OS that can get corrupted by really anything. If using a great OS that works fine for my needs is being a sheep I do not have any further comments. Windows is as an OS with much wider coverage on the market for reasons outside of Microsoft's power and I will gladly stay on a system that won't give me a headache. From now on, please refrain from making further comments on my side, seeing as you are such narrow minded as to calling people out for using a good system. I have all the right to assume you believe that Linux is the best system out there when, in fact, it is not, for what it offers to regular user like me, based on your judgements.

[@andrewpena2063]

will my pc get slower if i go with the bypass method i use this pc for gaming

[@jameswubbolt7787]

Time to turn old pc into a Nas.

[@comprehab]

I've been using Windows 11 on my laptop for 18 months and my PC for 6 months. So far no probelms. I did have an issue with Power Director just after installing Win 11, I rolled back to Win 10 and the problem remained. Turned out to be a Power Director issue not Windows. I still have a customer running Windows 95. Yep 95. She doesnt use the web, just writes articles using Word Pad and puts them on floppys. She is happy with thats so.......

[@johntsimgr]

Im using Windows 11 on "Unsupported Hardware", i have a ryzen 5 1600. But i haven't see this message , 'System Requirements not met..' and i didnt have any problem using windows 11 what so ever.

[@lvill3633]

Waiting for the LTSC version first prior to trying Win 11

[@hanningtonopondo8907]

What difference would there be, between loading Windows 11 on a laptop that satisfies the requirements and utilising a USB bootable pendrive made using Rufus? how will it operate and will it operate well.

[@reubenmorris487]

I just put Windows 11 on my i7-7700K system last night. Only problem so far is a couple of the Gigabyte apps not working. Editing the registry was pretty easy. My BIOS said that TPM2.0 is supported and enabled - yet Windows 11 says it's not.

[@bumberClart1000]

Can if you want. I don’t want too 😊

[@johnathanasiou9284]

If Microsoft wish to play hardball, it'll give people further impetus to get up to speed with Linux Mint which I'm actively doing as we speak. Personally, I'd rather instead hold out until Win12 (hopefully it's not a "cloud" subscription version) is likely released in 2025 as from user reports they tell me it's very unstable & crashes far more than Win10 ever did. My own laptop is a HP EliteBook 840 G3 with a soldered in 6th gen intel CPU but has TPM 2.0 (BIOS upgrade to move it from TPM 1.1). Microsoft think people earn as much as Bill Gates, where in reality in a lot of countries people are suffering 20-40% price rises. So far, have personally held off using Win11 & still running Win10 on my own PCs

[@AndersHass]

No need to go away from Windows 10 while it still gets support.

[@LugiDergX]

Have fun with unsupported apps in the future and no one caring for you with 'em on Win 10 then. That comes from a guy using W10 22H2 themselves. The moment issues start, I will be ready to force W11 update onto this PC. I'm much better off staying with what I have known from years more than switching to an entirely new OS and learning things all from grounds up. Besides, no OS is ever supported infinitely. It is not worth the hassle to change habits. As for MS playing hardball and community thing - You got it all wrong. It will only give people incentive to further shit on MS themselves by absolutely cracking open their dumb restrictions.

[@leonidas14775]

I think the watermark is to shame system builders who install Windows 11 on old PCs with grey market keys.

[@A4Anime2]

Should i install Windows 11 on Hp Core i5 2nd Generation 8GB Ram 128GB SSD.

[@real_lostinthefogofwar]

I use Win 11 on a Sandy Bridge processor, no problems.

[@Britec09]

Nice

[@xtreme3269]

i7 3770 cpu , no tpm , no problems...

[@real_lostinthefogofwar]

@@xtreme3269 Mine's an i5 2400, pretty much a potato, and it runs fine, lol

[@JediBuddhist]

Thanks

[@truqzztv3848]

Thats my PC: Intel Core i7 Extreme 975 @ 3.33GHz (2009 cpu) 12,0GB Triple-Channel DDR3 ASRock X58 SuperComputer 4095MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 Im still running newer games sum better sum worse. But i dont think it will handle w11 BUT w11 has stuff that makes newer games work and perfrom better... So the question is... Is it still worth for me to go to w11? Like can i expect better game functionality? Or will it be just even worse?

[@AndersHass]

Windows 11 and 10 more or less perform the same. Some direct storage features that aren't fully available to Windows 10 but so far it is barely used. Then there is HDR. Stick with Windows 10 while it still gets updates. I would switch to Linux Mint for unsupported hardware by the time Windows 10 don't get updates.

[@TomokoAbe_]

You can but remember MS requires you log on their account to access their Windows 11. You have no idea when they will deactivate your OS in unsupported systems. Just keep on using Windows 10 until Oct 2025. By that time Windows 12 will be out. IF you choose to use Windows 11 on an unsupported system, reloading all of those apps will be a PAIN and you may have to do it again if they deactivate it. You take a gamble.

[@AndersHass]

So far you can install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware without removing the data, but who knows how well it will work in the future. I would just use Linux Mint by the time Windows 10 stops getting updates on unsupported PCs.

[@EggmMan1234]

tiny 11 should work for me when windows 10 nearly end

[@basilcat3111]

Most people won't even bother installing windows 11 on unsupported hardware or even switching to linux if their current computer works fine, and/or if they don't know about it. They will just get a new pc if they have the money to.

[@AndersHass]

Possible people just buy a new PC once they have an issue with it, lol. But ye, most people won't bother doing any installation themselves, only do automatic updates.

[@davidmorrison4711]

People that brag know the least, The issue is how many decades old computers do they have to make the drivers work for, its not that old computer wont work, problem is the drivers , it works but things are glitchy i have found, because drivers are not written for windows 11 on old hardware and never will be.

[@billymania11]

I have a top spec Surface Pro 9 and Windows 11 flies, but I hate to think how slow it would be on older hardware. I bet it sucks.

[@mychanejhg]

if you are a normal user i think you'll have no issues but for me a software developer many tools crashes after installation and after attempting to get latest updates

[@DubSe7en]

Been running on unsupported hardware for a while now, no issues at all. See what happens when 23h2 lands.

[@AndersHass]

Feature updates so far haven't been automatic on unsupported. But you can install it like you installed Windows 11 on unsupported hardware.

[@kilnerpaps8635]

Yes been for a long time although i now have there is no TPM under device security go to BIOS Setting.

[@soundman601]

I read tonight that Microsoft is launching Co-Pilot AI into Windows 11 which also won’t work on an unsupported PC. I guess if they block unsupported Windows 11s or not, those of us with the older PCs will soon be left way behind regardless. :(

[@basel9898]

I have full build 4090 still windows 11 hard to take

[@Patriotic545]

I think i7s processors are just fine with win 11 as long as your win 10 is a genuine win 10 OS then upgraded to win 11 is ok, bec you use a legal software from microsoft before, using your microsoft account before.

[@Da.Biggie]

am really thinking to upgrade but the issue is the bugs mainly on windows update,taskbar,file explorer.

[@Britec09]

Its all running pretty good now

[@Da.Biggie]

@@Britec09 so if i upgrade today all the bugs are not there

[@Savagedbd]

drives me nuts when ppl, say linux is only for tech savy my moms windows computer craped out like 10-15 years ago i got her on mint she knows nothing about computers she was fine no issues she is 92 now and still using mint just fine

[@quendi12]

Yes, the uptake on new operating systems is always slow. But there has never been a hardware limitation on installing the new one. I have 3 computers, none of which are compatible! My gaming computer was built with a lot of overclocking, RAM. GpU headroom. It is the gaming and video editing computer. It runs all the current fps, mmo games without issue. I can not afford to replace a 4k computer, let alone my day to day surface pro 3 computer and my gaming laptop. I world be looking at 8k. It is not an option. I am sure a lot of people and businesses are in the same position. Plus what a lot of physical waste.

[@Robert-sl7jo]

October 12, 2023. Downloading Windows 11 Bios doesn't work, I get an error message.