Should you pay dealer MARKUP for a NEW 2023 Honda FL5 Civic Type R?

[@oceanyt9334]

I love the different varieties of videos, not just reviews❤

[@RaitisRides]

I am so happy to hear that! I will be bringing more.

[@JimmyDShea]

Ditto. Seeing you tear up during the unboxing video was special. Well deserved and thank you for taking us along on your journey. The FL5 CTR, what a timeless gem, and possibly last of a kind.

[@marcg1964]

You reminded me of the pre-Internet car price research days. The yellow pages, lots of calls, and a wide range of responses. In the old days, it was almost impossible to have a dealer take you seriously unless you were there in person.

[@RaitisRides]

So very true! I think people need to go back to that to try to get the personal touch and human element in there.

[@ReincarnatdAncientIrishPeasant]

We still mostly don’t

[@davidp2888]

I just bought a 2023 Corolla SE. I paid MSRP, no markup...but I waited 6 months for the spec that I wanted. Your content is so helpful and relevant to today's market, Joe. You know what's out there and you know what your viewers want to see. I appreciate you, man!

[@nitro677racing]

You cannot compare a Corolla SE to a Civic Type R…

[@jrock8233]

@@nitro677racing 👏😂

[@Darrkness]

Bought my Si out of state. I love it and it was definitely worth it for me.

[@RaitisRides]

Awesome! Congrats!

[@boots_n_coots]

There’s a lot to think about here. And I do appreciate your honesty regarding your purchase experience.

[@RaitisRides]

Thank you my friend.

[@Ransack777]

Waited till Black Friday 2023 and paid MSRP and zero add-ons. You have do some leg work but its very possible with a little commitment.

[@CloudlifeTLX]

One thing about Joe is he keeps it real! 😄🤙🏾

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for saying that.

[@CloudlifeTLX]

@@RaitisRides thank you for everything you do brother 🙏🏾

[@layzy24]

No way this car is being sold for upwards of $60,000 for 315 HP produced from an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. When my friends regular 2018 Mustang cost him around $20,000 used and produces 310 HP from an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. 🤷🏽‍♂️. 🤦🏽.

[@SocaNick]

@@layzy24 no one wants a regular stang. No one is talking about stangs. They want a hot hatch that's one of the hottest hatches on the market

[@mobilesolutions4u444]

@Soca Nick Hey don't even bother explaining anything to him, I'm not sure he understands anything that's being said here

[@Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan]

Your reviews are helpful!! Brilliant job Joe.

[@RaitisRides]

I am so glad that you feel that way!

[@susanjspaulding]

🇺🇸 *So happy you are talking about dealer MARKUP* !! *Car prices right now are CRAZY* !! #RaitisRides 🇺🇸

[@RaitisRides]

Tell me about it Susan! Prices are really out of control.

[@sevenobeats5566]

@JC Hell nah nobody wants a fuckin tesla!😂😂

[@theredsalmon612]

Screw off bro

[@sevenobeats5566]

@JC Whatever makes you feel better😘

[@sevenobeats5566]

@@theredsalmon612 😂

[@bruceleeroy8302]

I remember looking at the new Type-Rs in 2017, and they were about $35k MSRP. Now, I see new ones in my area marked up as high as 62K brand new and the used ones are considered a great deal at $35 - 40k

[@RaitisRides]

I can understand where you are coming from.

[@hozay09]

When they launched in 2017 I totally remember them going for 60k with markup. People forget.

[@layzy24]

No way this car is being sold for upwards of $60,000 for 315 HP produced from an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. When my friends regular 2018 Mustang cost him around $20,000 used and produces 310 HP from an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. 🤷🏽‍♂️. 🤦🏽.

[@hozay09]

@@layzy24 Did you really just compare a Civic Type R with a 4 cyl Mustang 😂😂

[@layzy24]

@@hozay09 🤦🏽. Yes a 4 cylinder 2.3 liter turbo charged vs a 4 cylinder 2 liter turbocharged. I understand numbers. You obviously don't. 🤷🏽‍♂️. Tell me something.

[@McLeanGary]

This is why I recommend you to everybody, such a great encapsulation of the markup climate now. Love it, and keep it going Team Raiti!!!

[@astraynoir5640]

Just got myself a Corolla gr in red with performance package for msrp. I called and went to multiple dealers and finally got called that it was here. Definitely worth the msrp. Same feeling about the type r.

[@robedwards6926]

Which dealer?

[@punkindrublic001]

Zero. Zero markup is acceptable.

[@RaitisRides]

If only it was that easy.

[@Kilaueaorph4n]

Got mine at $1000 over MSRP. Only problem it’s a Hot Wheels🔥 😭😭

[@RaitisRides]

LOL You are hilarious.

[@DarkJediChrisG-1425]

Hey Joe, thanks for these other great vids your putting together! Your on a roll to 1 million subs! I'm looking forward to your race with Stephen and his Type R and amd can't wait especially for that Grand Highlander tonight! Stay cool, calm, collected, and most importantly, zonk free 😎

[@RaitisRides]

You are the man with the plan.

[@DarkJediChrisG-1425]

@Raiti's Rides I'm still wondering what the Camry will bring to the table Joe? 🤔

[@RaitisRides]

@@DarkJediChrisG-1425 So am I! Stay tuned!

[@DarkJediChrisG-1425]

@@RaitisRides 👍👍👍 always Joe

[@xp50player]

The hype of the Type R transcends its specs and price, like few other cars. There are more than enough buyers willing to exceed a rational purchase price, and no production increase is anticipated, so it will always be for the dentists and media influencers.

[@sergeantsnugglez3228]

I think people are more willing to pay mark ups today as well because financing today is crazy with how far you can finance now. Back in 00's, the average car was being financed at a 3 year loan. Then a 5 year loan became the norm, and now people are doing 7-8 year financing loans on new cars. They think they are getting a good "deal" because their payments are so low, but don't realize that they are stuck with this car now for 7-8 years. And the depreciation is really hitting the car at a term like that.

[@Shono731]

Amazing video as always Joe! I really enjoy watching the channel!! Two weeks ago I was fortunate to get my black fl5! I traded in my 2019 fk8 with 15,000 miles! The dealership I went to are amazing and treated me like family!! I got mine at msrp and I got more on my fk8 than when I bought it new! I love the fl5 so much!! I Have a great remainder of your week Joe and keep up the phenomenal work!🚙🚙

[@mclarenspeedtail8988]

which one is worse? Civic Type R markup or the GR Corolla markup? also one more thing. thoughts on the upcoming 2024 Toyota Grand Highlander?

[@RaitisRides]

Great questions. Grand Highlander hits the channel tonight @ 9pm ET.

[@mclarenspeedtail8988]

@@RaitisRides cool

[@RaitisRides]

@@mclarenspeedtail8988 Thanks man!

[@CSIG1001]

had a 2018 CTR champ white and a 2020 Champ white, sold the champ white 2020 for 42500 , summer 2021. paid msrp. I dont think i will ever have a upset stomach until they greatly approve the car. Drove one with hondata since 2018 and got tired of it. You will definitely be a better position when you go to upgrade your CTR for another CTR :) because you know 2026 the car will be upgraded again significantly with tech or performance. They did it with the 2020 , 3 years later. MSRP should be pretty easy in 3 years if you know how to network. The funny thing when i owned both CTRs i never had to buy 20" tires , since i was only at 12-15k miles. I drove the shit out of it. Plus i dont have to be title tax.

[@syedalam6363]

Welcome back Joe and Lori and ofcourse Steven

[@dodgerz1fan]

I think this was a great topic to talk about and your 1000 percent correct that this is the reality because the dealers will go with the highest bidders to buy their cars no dealer will turn down someone willing to pay what they want

[@bryanwashington9511]

No matter what vehicle suits the buyer, he or she has to weigh so many options and to your point anything over 10k in markups is a big no no for me. Thanks for giving us some perspective and can't wait for the Grand Highlander review!👍

[@hrznhrzn]

Congratulations again on this sweet ride Joe! By far my favorite reviewer and actually one of the reasons I picked up my Mazda6 carbon

[@RaitisRides]

That means so much to me!

[@Oneness100]

Joe, put some kind of seat covers to prevent damage to the seats. Also, don't drink or eat any food inside either, even if it's some Mountain Dew to wash down a Subway meatball sandwich. 🙂

[@mariowhyte2816]

Maaaaaaaan these dealerships are out of control Joe. They tried to charge me mark up on my BAAAASE Civic!!! I was like absolutely not!!! I stayed at that dealership until they said fine...and gave it to me AT MSRP!!! No options. No extra wheel coverage blah blah blah...declined it all. 😑 I was exhaaaaaaausted after that ordeal. Absolutely trashed. Good on you for getting yours qt MSRP!!! Congratulations again on your CTR!!!

[@RaitisRides]

I am so glad that you stuck to your guns.!

[@layzy24]

No way this car is being sold for upwards of $60,000 for 315 HP produced from an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. When my friends regular 2018 Mustang cost him around $20,000 used and produces 310 HP from an inline 4 cylinder with a turbo. 🤷🏽‍♂️. 🤦🏽.

[@mobilesolutions4u444]

@layzy24 check the resale value between the CTR and Mustang. A 2018 CTR is close to $40k which is almost double the mustang price. You lose on the front end but win on the backend

[@layzy24]

@@mobilesolutions4u444 should I smack you? Or do you wanna do the honors? Don't disrespect yourself by stating idiotic comments.

[@mobilesolutions4u444]

What is idiotic about my comment? Point or highlight the part. I'll look over it then I'll show you the facts on it which is nothing short of a Google search on prices...

[@dylanjohnson694]

Just landed my '24 FL5 in Sonic for $5k over, no add-ons. I feel fortunate. Not my #1 color choice, but today with West Coast prices...I feel fortunate.

[@steele952]

Thank you for your advice and suggestions. Wouldn’t mind more of these kind of videos outside of the standard review

[@Carlos.Rivera]

$27k over msrp at my local dealerships. $20k over msrp for FK used model

[@RaitisRides]

Pricing is nuts right now but do some research. It is not like that every where.

[@markremington8000]

I feel 5k over is reasonable, given the exclusiveness and apparent refinement. 10k+ markup would put it in a price range of cars that are much better performance and quality-wise imo.

[@mattpipke5716]

It's this thinking that keeps it going and ruins it for everyone else.

[@timothycoyne5874]

I think Joe is spot-on here. I can see a $5K markup on a new Type R, but any more than that and it’s just hard to justify unless you really love the car and plan to keep it a long time. I wouldn’t pay it, but I understand why some people do. Congrats again on your own R, Joe!!

[@mobilesolutions4u444]

That means you won't be buying a type R because even on the use market, they're going for more then MSRP but they hold their value really well. The money is there when you trade or resell. You'll get most of your money back

[@lilcourtny08]

​@@mobilesolutions4u444you can get something much better thana damn Honda for that price

[@JohnJones-ew6io]

Have a boost blue one on the way. Paid 5k over sticker. Im happy. Granted Ive purchased 16 new Hondas from this dealer in the past

[@wbwayne8887]

Keep in mind, financing any markup at todays long term higher interest rates makes things way worse, especially if you don't have a suitable trade. In the case of the Type R, I believe the resale will hold it's own, and even increase, when EV's eventually take hold in the market, so the hit might never become as extreme as some other makes and models.

[@ve6753]

Absolutely correct. Was researching, shopping since October and drove mine home LAST NIGHT, only 80 mis away from where I live. Paid 7k mark-up, but also got my asking trade-in price for the 22 SI hpd, close to its MSRP, which, in fact, was what I paid for it. Check I cut with tinting, unlimited power train warranty, enamelling...< 27k Very pleased. It's a regal vehicle, far better than I anticipated in almost all respects. Championship White.

[@RaitisRides]

Congrats on your new Type R!

[@issacdow4035]

The Honda dealership here in Ft Worth TX has a 5,000 markup on all of their vehicles. Plus if they didn't have the car on the lot they had a 1,000 nonrefundable deposit to hold one for you. My wife and I had bought 4 cars from that dealership and we didn't make it a fifth, so we went somewhere else to buy. Seems like these dealerships are getting too greedy.

[@DrHistoryV]

I didnt want to play the markup / hunting for dealership game so just went ahead and bought a '22 G70 3.3T. Will still buy a type R or the integra whe n the dust settles, but not playing markup game. AT the end of the day its just a car, I don't do track or autocross events, and for a daily driver the g70 provided all I needed and more.

[@ShenmueAtheist]

I was shopping for MK5 Supras right before the pandemic hit in early 2020. One of my local Toyota dealerships had about 8 of them, most had been there for 2 months or longer with no taker. Despite it being the hot, new sports car in town, the dealership was willing to sell one at $2000 under MSRP just to move one of them. Now that same Toyota dealership presells nearly all their Supras between MSRP to 5k over sticker depending on trim and options. It's insane how quickly not just prices changed, but people's willingness to get exploited by dealerships.

[@tolgaayazseven9139]

How is the road noise in this car? I currently have 2023 330 M-sport, its an amazing car with the road noise insulation but I miss the manual transmission so bad. Would I get a headache on a road trip?

[@93Tillinfini]

Well Canada gets 500 for 3 years. The mark ups are unreal here too. They can’t charge above msrp with market demand adjustments. But they do install all possible dealer installed accessories and services. The costs range from msrp with a pre-order/deposit, to $84,000 used with still 150kms on them that haven’t left the show room floor because a dealer sold it to a friend and bought it back to loop hole the above msrp mark up.

[@JDtheLegacy]

Joe! I live in Tampa and was wondering if you’d recommend the dealership that sold you your type R at msrp. If not, no worries.

[@markcoopers1930]

Well said. Sick feeling in stomach. Had that when I was told there was a 2k markup on a Mazda3 turbo. Love my car but it's not a low volume specialty car. A single penny over would have given me that feeling. Glad I switched dealerships and got mine at MSRP.

[@johnsrey4421]

Joe I paid 8K over sticker and I’m still happy purely because everyone is charging 15K-25K in my area (Philly). You’re right Joe it all depends on what you are willing to pay and can you live with that. I’ll tell you what though Joe I love my FL5 and I’m going to keep this for years to come .

[@juelz4516]

Could’ve got a real performance car for that. 😂

[@johnsrey4421]

@@juelz4516 I could but every other option is at a premium also lol I’m happy though

[@mymoneymadehard9124]

@@johnsrey4421 I bought my FL5 on Feb. 16 for $5000 over MSRP from a dealership in Maryland. I agree with John about this car being worth whatever you are willing to pay for it. I was just not willing to pay more than $5000 over MSRP. I had several opportunities to purchase it for $10000-15,000 more than the MSRP. I followed Joe's advice and kept calling dealers. This car is great.

[@johnsrey4421]

@@mymoneymadehard9124 congratulations and wow u got a hell of a deal compared to what I paid!! As long as you’re happy what else matters?? I’m still happy with my FL5 every time I go for a back road cruise 😎

[@bellotmehdi]

Yesterday I stopped by my Toyota dealer and they had Markups on everything, and I mean everything. The markup for a 2023 Corolla LE was $3500 bring the outdoor price close to $30k. That's just ridiculous. I understand if you do Markups on very rare and HOT cars like the Civic Type R or Golf R or GR Corolla, but to have Markups on entry level Corolla LE is just mind-blowing.

[@RaitisRides]

That is really crazy for sure.

[@Duran762]

I 100% agree times have changed. There are hundreds of millions of people and only thousands of these cars. Dealers can get away with marking them up for the highest bidder. If you have the money and really want a car you love and not many people can have then get it. Id pay over msrp but I don’t have the money so probably in the next 5 years I plan on getting the next best thing.

[@alixv8088]

you are one of the contributors as to why there is a mark up and why the car's value holds up.

[@angelicemperor2686]

Ay. Shout out to you. I was born and raised in Tampa. Currently in Homestead. I thought you were a Cali guy lol Thanks for the mark up tips. Will do my homework when. It is time to get a new car. Especially if I go for the SI, base Teggy, CTR or ITS.

[@elmocotaco995]

We got 10 in Phoenix on Friday spent the weekend speaking with every dealer no one is moving off 20k plus accessories. A few were 10k over and sold before hitting the lot. I obverse $7500 and 10k over was told to pound sand wasn’t even in the ball park. They are still for sale so maybe 15k is the magic number. One was 40k over !!! With taxes you’ve doubled the price.

[@RaitisRides]

Oh wow that is nuts!

[@gafire25]

No! F the dealership that do mark ups! they are all crooks anyway! but you always do great things! love your videos sir and lori does awesome camera work as always

[@jayd6068]

Great video! So happy I found this channel and happy you get to share your type r with us.

[@TrapMoneyBobby]

Smart people let them sit, idiots pay the markup and return the car in a few months 😂

[@raddgreat01]

Gr corolla or type R and why ?

[@tradermunky1998]

If people wouldn't pay markups, we wouldn't have markups 🤣 But everyone got their stimmy checks and felt like ballers while new car supply dropped off a cliff and so here we are. It won't last and you will see a collapse in price eventually screwing everyone that is now upside down. People have short term memories and always think things "are different this time".

[@RaitisRides]

It will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

[@dlg5485]

Don't be ridiculous. Stimulus checks went out YEARS ago. That has nothing to do with this kind of price gouging. In any case, this gouging will end, it's only a matter of time. Markets are cyclical.

[@tradermunky1998]

@@dlg5485 Eh, I guess I should have been clearer, I really meant ALL the stimulus. So not just checks. Rent moratorium, increased unemployment payments, increased earned income tax credits, etc, etc. Heck, people still don't have to pay their college loans... three years later 🤣

[@bush1212a]

I say if you can wait it out, then wait until the car market cools down. Don't pay over msrp. There are usually small issues with the first year new models when it comes to performance/sports cars. Do your homework and see where dealerships are willing to sell at msrp in other states.

[@user-92614]

No matter what the car is, we should all say no to markups to bring the market back to normal

[@JeromeAlejandroFranciscoRomero]

What if your getting one for one $646 dollars over MSRP? Do you happen know what is the Value package? When the dealership does the deal sheet.

[@chabbysrides]

Right on Joe! Totally agree. Thanks for the video.

[@seaneubanks4380]

Great video & topic. I actually agree w/ you. The exact figures/numbers too. Told myself for no more than $5000 it’s still a good deal. Those paying $10-20,000 are wild. More power to them for having the money but at $60-80,000 there are so many better vehicles one can buy.

[@johnl2613]

$60k for a civics? No. Even 50k w tax is excessive for a base assuming 6 to 7 percent sales tax. Car is a depreciating asset especially since this is not going to be a rare classic which will increase or maintain a good value overtime

[@GinNBoost]

@@johnl2613 some cars are not depreciating assets. Look no further than the last generation of Type R. The prices of used cars are basically at what the car cost brand new at one point. So already you’re wrong.

[@Youcallthesebagels_]

Any dealer that adds mark up are scum of the earth

[@RaitisRides]

I know how you feel.

[@bbkangs]

I’m putting a deposit for the Integra Type S. I’m afraid to find out what the markup will be on those. Thankfully the deposit is fully refundable.

[@Outdoor-Adventures]

I’m sorry, never pay and never will over MSRP, but that’s me.

[@jukeboxzero1]

Local Honda dealers were idiots when i was shopping for an FK8. I had to drive over 600 miles to get a decent deal.

[@RaitisRides]

I know that frustration. At least you got a decent deal in the end.

[@dillonmorales6793]

Dealer markups are just a joke, none of these cars are worth $50k plus the Type R, Golf R, Corolla GR. Happy you got the car you wanted and it is a bad ass car 👌🏻.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks Dillion and thanks for sharing your thoughts on this one.

[@brianchuck9264]

We should all refrain ..and therefore drive the price down closer to MSRP. Solidarity People!!!

[@ranthony2714]

44,000 usd is 59,000 Canadian before markups. 60,000 msrp is wow expensive. The dealerships in my area do not even list the type R on their website.

[@wadesnider5218]

Great video and info as always

[@amill1563]

Great points because it's the cost of the product that does matter not just what the item is. Do you think it's worth it to get wheel insurance?

[@tctc2803]

It's daddy Joe talking in this episode. 😅 I like that seriousness when the topic actually changed to be so insightful. Kudos Joe!

[@r1can79]

Great video as always

[@RaitisRides]

I appreciate you taking the the time to say that,

[@NeoDiNardo]

I offered $4K over MSRP for a new CTR plus a good super low mileage 2023 Integra manual trade in… and I was turned down. They were holding out for that $10K over MSRP. I paid MSRP for a last gen CTR at the same dealer just in 2019 and had purchased 4 cars from them over the years.

[@flea4061]

It easier with some cars dealers then others. I heard Nissan is being particularly greedy. I just ordered an M2 at MSRP. The key to it is ordering and being patient.

[@yzth3ory630]

Love the new Type R! What’s acceptable markup to pay?? Whatever the buyer feels is fair & can afford to pay. Me personally I don’t want one bad enough to put in that kind of work to buy a car. But that’s just me

[@HasanQazi]

Thank you so much for the great type r content! A video idea would be to find a dealer with the OEM accessories and show those to us! Keep up the great work!

[@LuisGarcia-po7lm]

Here in Odessa Texas mark up is 9-10k because of limited inventory

[@alexioskomnenos258]

Unpopular opinion, I like the FK8 Type R better. It looks more attractive to the eye for me.

[@TheBigb1973]

My local chevy dealer marked up the corvettes to 120k! The salesman said ppl would buy them at sticker price then flipped them for profits. So the dealer marked them up.

[@latino914]

Who pays over $40k for a Chevrolet 😲

[@TheBigb1973]

@latino914 ya really. I just bought the elantra n. What a bad ass car!

[@latino914]

@@TheBigb1973 those are nice! Any issues with insurance since a few insurance companies seem to be rejecting coverage for Kias and Hyundais?

[@TheBigb1973]

@latino914 nope. State farm. Went from a chevy cruze to this elantra. It went up $3 a month lol

[@TheBigb1973]

They see it as an elantra sedan. No where does it say "N"

[@KenLuong86]

Mr Raiti: It’s NEVER A GOOD THING for dealer markups. Either negotiate or get out. An FL5 CTR is not worth $50k-$60k.

[@Blackdawn80]

MSRP covers the manufacturing costs and profits for the dealer. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to pay a markup. When you overpay you are telling dealers that it's ok to keep doing it. You are hurting consumers like yourself in the future.

[@RaitisRides]

Thanks for that great input!

[@Cobra_460]

Thank you for the advice Joe.

[@nmode22]

I can’t take your word for it on this 🫤 this car is known to be mark up and any of those dealers are not gonna miss out on that money. Have to see papers for sure.

[@RaitisRides]

They are out there.

[@nmode22]

@@RaitisRides I wanna believe so. Lol 😂 need paper work to prove it though.

[@NCLme]

Yeah, I had the same thought 💭 I would rather pay for parts any Day

[@BayouTapes]

all the dealers are talking 30k markups tho..what dealership has 5k markup?

[@uzhoutx]

❤️🏁 Woo-wee! Joe, Thanks for the enlightenment! 🤠❤️

[@justlisten1]

called a few honda dealers...markups are around 15 to 30K. Ridiculous. What would you say an acceptable markup would be for Integra type s?

[@tflnorthamerica4585]

Thank you for your honesty Joe as always! You should never pay dealer markup on any car. I just purchased a hellcat redeye Challenger for 5000 under list so it is possible and yes the car was brand-new with 5 miles. This madness really needs to stop. Just say no!

[@belikedj-Insta]

Congrats on the purchase! What color is she?

[@tflnorthamerica4585]

White knuckle with Black lagoona interior fully loaded. I did not have to leave the state but I did have to make many phone calls get in the car and show them the money. My last phone call was "are you one of those dealers that marks up if you are I won't bother coming down!".

[@belikedj-Insta]

@@tflnorthamerica4585 the commitment 👍🏽😎

[@bt9765]

Honda’s exploitive dealer network has turned me off from the brand. I contacted more than 10 dealerships (via phone) across three states and could not get below $10K in markup.

[@marcusbarnes9796]

I needed this vid 3 months ago when KIA put $8k markups on their Telluride. But this was AWESOME info.!

[@kayashimz]

I find it sick that the first question I’ve been getting asked is, “What are you prepared to pay over sticker for the vehicle?” I would tell them up front that I can pay $5,000 over sticker. Then, an immediate “You may want to consider a different vehicle. I dont know of anything willing to take a deal that low and a Type R. You could literally resell it for more right after you buy it.” At this point, I’ve reached out to nearly two dozen dealerships and the lowest I’ve come across WAS $3,995 and $5,795 advertised on TrueCar. When they called me, they didn’t honor their price (that they set themselves) and asked for $10k over sticker. I’m kinda over this car. Even if I get it at a good price, I feel like I’d be too afraid to drive it because of how much work it took. These dealers literally sound insulted by my offer. California dealers have easily been the rudest, which is sadly where I live…

[@marcuskoolrt]

I shouldn’t be buying over sticker… don’t be part of the reason the market is the way it is please.

[@kayashimz]

@@marcuskoolrt I’m no longer interested in buying it. I’m facing the reality that I will never get to own this car, or any enthusiast car because there will always be people that will continue to pay absurd markups entitling dealerships to continue doing this. It’s sad, but I have much more important things to spend my hard earned money on.

[@kevinvasquez4802]

Thanks for the review Joe! I tried getting one in Tampa 15k over and one in Miami that wanted 25k over! I appreciate the video 🙏

[@looneyyang1326]

They are MSRP now

[@joseperez84]

Hello my friend. We think the same way. Super helpful information and orientation as always. Keep with the good work 👍🏼

[@dominickirkwood]

I love it Joe and Lori and keep up the good work and I love the video 👍 💯

[@sambell8655]

Dealers can ruin a car with stupid mark-ups (over 5k). They put crazy mark-ups on that last thunderbird, cars didn't sell, and it was discontinued. And yes, shame on me for comparing that thunderbird to a type R.

[@TORTLESSS]

40-50 is not a bad price if youre gonna keep it forever, this is probably the last honda type R with how fast they're pushing EV, so it might appreciate too. Also, in due time I think people will appreciate this like the old nsx, it's an amazing handling car and the powerband is wide.

[@aaronlamarr8456]

I agree saw a 2023 ctr used with 2k ml sold for 60k

[@DekiaryCarter]

Great point. If this car didn’t hold its value so strongly, the mark up would be a much worse move. I’d be willing to pay 5k over for these. In the mid 50k+ range, the competition heats up too much so I’d have to consider other performance options.

[@bobert866]

🤦‍♂️

[@boots_n_coots]

For my 2019 C7 I had to search out-of-state for msrp. Had to pay $3k for cross-country shipping to So. Cal. but this was acceptable.

[@The07gt]

Now there’s a stop selling due to a Honda service bulletin. That the drivers side seat has weak welds and can come apart. How wonderful.

[@RaitisRides]

There are worst things our there!

[@S_Paoli]

my local dealer has one sitting in the showroom. I think it's been there for at least 3 weeks. They *only* want $10,000 markup, which is quite "reasonable" compared to the $15,000 or even $20,000 that many Florida Honda dealers are demanding.

[@RaitisRides]

Florida is one of the worst states with the markup.

[@Another_User_Name_]

That's crazy! I don't know many people who have an extra $15-20K extra to throw away. I guess if you have a lot of money it's no big deal, but to the average guy like me, it's just silly.

[@StandngOnBusiness]

10k extra just because “reasonable”that’s crazy 😂 no way in hell man it’s not worth it

[@S_Paoli]

@@Another_User_Name_ but for people who have that much extra cash, I don't know why they don't just buy a nice and fast BMW M240i or 230i? unless they are really die hard Civic fans? :)

[@aaronlamarr8456]

2023 CTR used are selling for 60k used that is

[@heartbreakkid8708]

I didn’t pay Dealer markup for my 2022 Camaro 2ss 1le. You gotta come in HARD with these dealerships and tell ‘em what’s up!

[@RaitisRides]

That is definitely one way to do it! I am glad that you got exactly what you wanted.

[@leea4624]

I just got a ‘23 ZL1 MSRP - $1,000. I was happy with that. But I did travel from Tampa to Nashville to get one.

[@RaitisRides]

@@leea4624 That is the way to do it brother!

[@leea4624]

@@RaitisRides I missed the Tintcoat ZLE so much that I needed a manual Camaro back in my life. Albeit the non-1LE version, after the Blackwing I really wanted a smoother ride since I mainly do street driving. Heading down to UTC cars and coffee this weekend Joe…

[@jeffrogers1021]

I haven't purchased a new car in years. Are we in a situation now where you are required to BID on a vehicle??

[@Eatgrease]

How much did you overpay?

[@shaneh734]

Hey Joe, how about my situation. I currently have a $500 deposit at my local small volume Toyota dealer in Pennsylvania and I’m been waiting almost 11 months for an allocation for a premium hello six speed manual Toyota GR 86. I finally found the same spec allocation in route to a dealership in New Jersey and I gave him a call at my local dealership I was quoted $34,700 out the door with no accessories at this dealership in Jersey. They quoted me $500 in accessories an additional $700 government tax for New Jersey and increased sales tax because of New Jersey, and a $1500 markup Bringing their grand total up to $38,000 out the door. They stated they cannot make adjustments to the doc and government fees and they also cannot reduce the markup. They also stated they can see all incoming inventory and they are the only one within a 500 mile range that has the spec that I want that is en route or in the build phase.