Should You Slap the Trigger? Frogman Tactical Challenge

There are a lot of techniques that shooters use to find success. Trigger prep and being careful are absolutely appropriate on targets that demand it. But most pistol gun fights aren't that way.
The solution for (as an example) low LE hit percentages is teaching people how to actually shoot really fast and still get really good hits.
Note: please don't go be unprofessional to anyone as a result of this video. We are better than that. Polite discussion of technique is not only welcome but warranted.
Here: is the relevant video and current versions of comments if you are interested - • The Most Overlooked As...

[@jcnikoley]

Trigger pull simplified: “Pull the trigger as fast as you can without disturbing the sights”. -The Great One

[@SpecTrain]

It's almost like good shooters have known this stuff for a long time...

[@Shadow__133]

Very simple... 😂

[@V.F.P.]

I met 'FrogMan 'about 3-4 years ago, when I took part of a 2-day course in Central Florida. When we got to the shooting portion, I was slapping a 10" steel plate, hanging inside a car, from about 20 yds... rapidly, with an occasional flyer... given the induced stress level, distance, size target, hanging inside a car, darkish, etc... aaand the fact I was shooting a Glock 23 (compact .40 S&W, with IRONS) a pretty satisfying and above-average performance... I am an avid USPSA shooters, and we controllably 'slap that trigger' while maintaining accuracy/hits and controlling our pewter... he was STILL bashing me and almost wanted me to pin my trigger... TOTALLY taking me the wrong direction of where I was heading... all due respect for his career, his service and his advice to newbies, but as an instructor, recognize those who are actually better than you and focus on the good instead of bringing some folks down back to your level... [end of rant]... keep up the good work, Billy... Maybe you shoulda showed him a 1.29" sec Bill Drill, all A's... while slapping the living hell outa that trigger !!?... :)

[@V.F.P.]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYmzoGCkZb5mY7c

[@PhaggyJames]

Frogman is a joke of a person

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

The artificial respect given to these guys is an aphrodisiac.

[@mccoybyz1099]

This is a reoccurring theme from old frogman, he's locked into whatever he learned after buds and that's it! Great video!

[@BetterMarksman]

Fantastic demo. There’s too many ex-SOCOM dudes out here teaching a smoothbrain approach to shooting and then getting macho with people when someone dares to question their antics.

[@rolotomase1440]

About 9-10 years ago I bought a @BenStoeger dry fire book and learned about "Trigger Control at Speed." From that day on I learned that most a lot what the cops and military is taught (which I was and am a part) is garbage. Thank you for this video.

[@brantleymerriam]

Great video. I agree with having the ability to slap the trigger when the target difficulty, distance, and speed is required. I also like to have the ability to prep the trigger if a very very high precise shot placement is needed or if the distance is large. I like to train having the best grip and the best trigger control, so if you suck at one during a match or during the worst day of your life ,the other saves you.

[@SpecTrain]

Agree 100% dude.

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

Here is the difference.... no one after basic instruction needs help being accurate or developing a prep trigger method. Its the easiest thing and I suppose if you are training a bunch of soldiers and LE that will only every pass qual and then stop advancing in their skills, its adequate. The ability to shoot fast while maintaining adequate accuracy is the real challenge and where the focus should be..

[@eddiepereira9628]

Great video Billy. Im recently retired LEO and I can assure you institutional in breeding in regards to LEO firearms training is the result of low LE hit percentages. Practical shooting is the way and officers have to be trained in shooting fast and accurate and feeling comfortable doing it. Practical shooting is gaining ground and slowly being implemented all around the country.

[@Southhog12]

PREACH! I hope everyone sees this understands shooting has evolved for the better by applying knowledge like this

[@sightlinestrategies]

Great vid. Professional yet proved your point.

[@vmanshooting]

I love this demo to move the discussion forward.

[@backwoodsman4854]

You produce some of the best shooting technique videos out there, love how you break it down and demonstrate at a level the average people can understand!

[@ivanradi4275]

Well said, well explained as simple as that.

[@timothygarrity5181]

Frog man tactical is a decent channel.I just stumbled onto your channel.It's real good so far!.I've been a competitive shooter for years minus taking a few years off. What i have found is that alot of competitive shooters can outshoot many types other shooters like law enforcement,military etc.I've shot hundreds of matches over the years and have outshot every single law enforcement officer i have ever competed against.The person who trains or does it the most is better, that's just the way it is.I shoot while moving forward backing up side to side.I also have a really fast sub half second draw and hit everything i am aiming at minus a few bad hits here and there.Frog man is a good shooter but eventhough i haven't killed amyone in battle, i would definitely outshoot him.Remember, it is who does it the most and who practices their skills the most.Great channel!

[@ExecutiveTrainingGroup]

I will have to try this drill. I think having a grip that can with stand a bad trigger press. I really agree that being on someone elses clock is very important.

[@actsda1357]

Great video(just subbed). Thank you for taking the time to Explain your points, respond to his challenge and to do so in such a professional manner. As to the legacy description, there are a lot of “legacy” shooters who shoot this way. Bill Wilson, Leatham, Jarret, Miculek, etc. who all shoot this way. In a recent video on Wilson Combat channel where Bill demonstrated a drill which was replayed in slow mo, it was very clear that he was coming fully off the trigger and going straight through for every shot. Tons of comments ensued criticizing his trigger technique!! It was ridiculous especially in light of the results he got on the drill. I do understand your point, though. It is really a legacy school of thought about “squeezing the trigger”, prepping the trigger or shooting from reset. The majority of shooters, both new and experienced, are taught slow fire bulls eye shooting techniques. Also, Military pedigree does not equate to elite shooting. A lot of elite, SOF/NSW guys have taken it upon themselves to learn, get into competitive shooting and evolve as shooters and are great “shooting instructors”. Panone, Pranka, and others come to mind. A lot of these fellas have not, though, and although they are experts in combat tactics such as CQB, they are not elite experts in shooting technique.

[@SpecTrain]

Yep, legacy shooters and legacy ideas are two different things. Guys like leatham discarded these idea 30 years ago and yet in some circles they are still holding strong apparently.

[@beastineden]

“Don’t slap the trigger” is so damn outdated.

[@GallantryDynamics]

Bravo Billy, amazing, absolutely amazing video. So much truth and proof.

[@CA.0verview]

I’m came to the conclusion of this video,this man demonstrated true class, bravo sir.

[@cedartop1]

He's a tool and has shown it many times over. I feel bad for all of the people who get sucked in by these guys who use their prior service ( no matter how respectful) to sell their schtick. Most of the time these guys dont even know what they dont know. You have to keep learning. If you have never changed your mind about the way you do things, you are not learning.

[@seanwhite304]

Pretty sure he left the Teams in 2007 . Have 0 clue what he did after that . Frogman TACTICAL is definitely a legit a dude that stuck in the past . Modern shooters who have the basics doen to sub conscious level can see some of his stuff is very out dated. He was podcast with Xray Alpha who calls people out on their BS . Xray definitely had some discrepancies. Worth the listen .

[@seanwhite304]

Another legit dude who IMO is way outdated is CSAT . I get where he is coming from but just because you operated in the 90s does not mean your relevant today. He has said some stuff that makes absolutely 0 sense . Like using 36Y , or 50Y is freaking stupid and people who use that have 0 clue what they are talking about . He thinks 100Y or 100m zero is the only zero that can get hits at distance or anywhere else for that matter . I use 50Y Zero on my EXPS3 With Micro Triplier and I have absolutely 00 issues hitting 10" piece of steel 300Y and in . Matter of fact I did it today at 2Gun Match . They had 3 targets at 300 , 310 and 315 yards. It took me 5 shots in total to hit all 3 of those 8" targets at those distances..

[@eddieweigel9490]

WOW there’s some JEALOUS GUYS on this platform don’t hate appreciate did you know that Jayson goes all over the world to train elite forces you said he uses his skills learned in the service his skills whether you like it or not are much much more appropriate than mine or yours and alot of other peoples on Utube it is what it is watch and learn

[@seanwhite304]

@@eddieweigel9490 Jayson is a legit dude . No one can argue with that . Just because the stuff he uses is outdated does not mean he is not worth listening too .

[@eddieweigel9490]

@@seanwhite304 Out dated definitely not the techniques my dad taught me that he learned in the Marine Corp during the Korean conflict are out dated if there outdated then why is he teaching other countries special forces these same techniques

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

Its my belief that many of these trainers just love to hear themselves talk. Its simple.... speed and accuracy. That is the goal, not any other thing. If you say I cannot do x while being fast and accurate then I do it, you need to modify your thinking. MIL and LE are some of the worst at this thinking. They spend so much time in classes they start to think the class and Quals are the end goal where they have an artificial environment. Good video.

[@TheLifeofRon]

I don’t know how I got here BUT! I love the content and I love the humor in this 🫡

[@BeauBrewer5.56]

Part of where some of this comes from is lack of fundamental mastery and also accuracy doctrine that require being slow with punishments for “misses” that further cement being slow on the gun due to fear.

[@CA.0verview]

5:45 only funny business that occurs to me is you needing to prove to a comedian with a giant tie and polkadot shirt 👔 (fogmantactical 🔱🐸)

[@a-6610]

New to your channel. Really liking what I'm seeing! 🤙🏼

[@robertrbarton]

Really well said and really important

[@jacobcurda6031]

Train how you fight ….if you train at speed…. Then you will be capable of fighting at speed

[@eddieweigel9490]

Funny cause I used to slap the trigger and not bad at hitting the target I learned trigger finger isolation from watching Jayson and I’m hitting more targets now trigger finger isolation absolutely positively works a lot of you guys don’t like to take positive criticism I used to follow a bunch of these training platforms and the problem is to much showing off my personal experience just watching Jaysons platform is he is more thorough of a teacher goes slowly learning REAL Navy seal techniques Watching Frogman tactical for the last 3 months I’ve learned much more advanced techniques than I was for a year of watching others I’m not bashing you guys are good also Jayson just has a more thorough teaching experience he goes all the world training other elite forces can’t replace that Can’t wait to personally train with him soon

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

Here is the thing. You don't know what you don't know. The reality is you can take a new shooter, teach them a good grip, how to troubleshoot the grip, never mention the trigger at all, and have them on target in a single session shooting at speed. Its like saying a scenic route to your destination is better because you happened to find yourself where you wanted to be, eventually. Its bad, there are better ways. Its about the purpose, if your purpose is getting good quick, teaching something that is not the thing, ie shooting practically is not staging trigger, shooting in real life self defense, is not staging the trigger, so if you purpose is speed and accuracy for practical shooting or real life self defense, taking the scenic route is not training for the purpose.

[@arbyssauce]

I just watched this and then got through most of his video...wow it's bad. I couldn't finish it.

[@bobl2833]

I like Frogman. If I ever enter my pony in a race I might ask him to be my rider.

[@matthewriegner5180]

I think if a brand new shooter, yes don't slap the trigger. You're working on your grip strength, grip overall, and understanding the process and elements involved. But you moat certainly are going to slap the trigger to get sub quarter second splits or shots in an actual engagement. I can't speak for him, but I could imagine that after being down range where there is less friendlies around, there is less considerations taken for that kind of thing and training people for a hostile engagement, is different than self defense and i think that he's well meaning in that thought process and trying to help people understand that versus seeing all the tactical training as the way for all things.

[@danhanus2294]

@frogmantactical can't actually shoot well. Entertrainement Nice video.

[@Highdragjake]

As a law enforcement officer, you’re 100% correct… slow steady trigger “press” blah blah blah…. Enjoyed the class act in disproving this clown.

[@yaseeroumar4938]

Increase grip strength then no issues slapping the trigger

[@normwilson117]

well stated and spot on. would you make a distinction for a brand new shooter? would you teach someone to take their time on the trigger press until you know they’re “seeing their sights” properly, etc? or do you think that’s training someone to need training wheels longer?

[@SpecTrain]

The drill I do in this video is my favorite grip diagnostic. It forces you to be sloppy with your trigger manipulation so that you can see what happens in your sights, and exposes weaknesses in your grip. It is absolutely the fastest way I know to teach anybody of any level how to figure out their grip pressures.

[@mclehed77]

I agree man when sh*t hit the fan and u got milliseconds to make that decision n take the shot ain't no trigger prep and keep in mind guys ur heart is bumping like a humming bird and ur scared

[@surratt95]

With a proper grip you should be able to slap the heck out of the trigger and not move the gun. One finger should not over power two hands with a solid grip.

[@Palikar-fr4]

For real dude, I used to be in the military and when I was in basic training, having to deal with 5 fundamentals at once for a newbie can be very overwealming so as I built my experience in shooting I realised that trigger control doesn't matter as long as I had an excellent grip, even at long distance. It baffles me the amout of people that think this one little finger is able to slightly move this entire core of muscles.

[@sigp6113]

Interesting takes on this trigger control “conflict”. I have no Frog or Dog in this fight as to which is superior technique. My only comment/request of you SpecTrain is to do another trigger slap video from duty holster draw and presentation and from full concealment, aiwb,iwb and owb, all at speed and same distances as in this video. I would say with utmost confidence that not many civilian self defense encounters start with the firearm already griped “properly “ and and presented on target. I have subscribed and launched the bell, I await your video. Thanks for all you do for the shooting community.

[@SpecTrain]

I'll probably pass on that man. What style bucket your gun comes out of has nothing to do with the shooting part. I have videos all over my socials and youtube shooting at speeds where it's impossible to do anything other than jerk or slap the trigger. I just won the national bill drill competition with 6 alphas from the holster in 1.23. Trust me I slapped that first shot haha.

[@sigp6113]

@@SpecTrain Well, congratulations on being the best shooter in the country! I guess all the other great shooters out there that do not slap and win competitions are doing it all wrong. I stand humbled by your prowess. Maybe consider that not all shooters have your advance skills and can benefit from different techniques. A great instructor in any endeavor has many tools in his bag. Consider that a less trained/novice shoot needs to draw, acquire their grip, press out , acquire their sight/red dot and press the trigger, if any of the afore mentioned skills are employed poorly and the they slap the trigger, I don’t think all in the Alpha would occur. Oh well enjoy your successes.

[@davids1716]

My thoughts precisely. Expand the drill to a meaningful degree or it’s just pointless showing off by an accomplished shooter…but perhaps not so great a teacher?

[@SpecTrain]

@@davids1716 I have other videos explaining this exact drill more in depth. Funny thing is none of you guys want to watch a 20 min educational video, just stop by for the drama, try to dunk on somebody in the comments, and bail. I had no interest in making this video, dude just told me I couldn’t so here we are.

[@davids1716]

@@SpecTrain I’m watching your podcast with Matt Pranka right now. If your teaching new shooters this trigger technique (which is implied) I personally think it’s inappropriate. Because grip is so important to the outcome, I think it should be demonstrated in your response to FT.

[@krisswolf2011]

Ok but what about followup shots?

[@SpecTrain]

Works out pretty good. kzbin.infok5h3b-1C8OA

[@HuyLe-vo4pg]

Between the Kelstrec kst1000 and the SG smart timer. Which would you recommend for someone that is -involved in bi-weekly IDPA (there is no USPSA near me unfortunately) -indoor range use -picks up dry fire Thanks!

[@SpecTrain]

Unless you are wanting some of the smart (phone app) features from the SG, I'd currently go with the keltec. Can't really comment on the dry fire piece as I don't really see the value in that and have never experimented with it.

[@chap23305]

Typical bro vet talking "my service is my shooting resume". When will people learn that Mil and LEO only train you to be minimally competent shooters. Even most specwar guys (who are better shooters than the masses), don't come close to A-GM level shooters.

[@musicman1eanda]

I don't think the general public will ever understand that MIL/LEO are NOT always the best shooters and are certainly not the gatekeepers of the shooting discipline. You basically have to be a handgun practitioner to understand the truth. Before I got into shooting, I absolutely thought that the police and military were the best and that civilian competency wasn't up to par.

[@musicman1eanda]

I'm an elementary music teacher and I've been a better shooter than every MIL/LEO guy I've ever trained with. Just a month ago I was doing rifle and pistol drills with an active duty soldier who had been in the army for 10 years. I was twice as fast as him on both rifle and pistol drills.

[@chap23305]

@@musicman1eanda 100%. I have both mil and leo experience. I remember "learning" how to shoot and thinking "really?? That's it... this is how good they train you to shoot?? There's gotta be more." Wasn't until I looked outside the mil/leo wheelhouse that I learned how to shoot.

[@boomee78]

I think you have to say some mil leo there are really good shooters that train and compete look at x ray alpha or greybeard actual both are clued in and there alot more i think it would be better to never assume one way or another but see what the instructor is about

[@chap23305]

@boomee78 both of those guys credit their shooting to institutions NOT military though. They are good shooters, who happened to be in the military. Not good shooters BECAUSE they were in the military

[@Moresco24]

Any tips ? When I don’t fully reset which wastes time as Jason would say and I only reset right to the wall my trigger feels way too light.

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

Stop riding the rest. Bring the finger all the way off FAST then back on Fast. Do this dry fire, watch your sight, if it moves, fix your grip. Repeat until the movement is minimized, repeat. The do rapid pairs on target, troubleshoot low/high/left/right all in terms of grip. Isolate one thing, grip being most important, then and only then move on to other ideas, like staying target focused and slowing down at ranges you start missing more than 10-15 % of your shots or fall outside A zone.

[@x4designs]

What are you running as your gun typically? Cool gun

[@omarcruise6662]

Frogman is the only FUD lol

[@johnm6736]

Link to frog man video?

[@SpecTrain]

It's in the video description.

[@paulbrentar5363]

Thank you for making this video. Pinning and resetting the trigger is absolute garbage when it comes to shooting a pistol. Most people don't where the technique came from in the first place, long range shooting, and just applied it a pistol because hey, a gun is a gun is a gun right? Wrong. Pin and reset is slower and less accurate all day long. You need to learn how the trigger resets and what that feels like but that technique is terrible and only accuracy based shooters teach it because they can't do or teach speed.

[@Glonk_Respecter]

Troll level 1000, great video Billy.

[@BrandonReign]

It is a HUGE misconception that special forces are amazing at shooting. While yes they are good, they have to learn dozens of other complex tasks on top of shooting. That is why most are just ok at it. Also it is evident by them having to hire citizens to train them.

[@MaximoAsante]

I agree with your views. Doesnt make sense to learn how to shoot slow when your in the field......people are emptying extendos on you.

[@Bcp69]

If you want to shoot fast, you need to slap the trigger if you want to minimize the possibilities of getting trigger freeze. These mil and LE dudes have no idea what they're talking about when it comes to pistols lol. So I totally agree with you. People just need to shoot USPSA if they want to get good with pistols.

[@AlexanderSotelo]

Click-Bangers are the worst!

[@gunnierunner1]

Lol him editing the comment is hilarious. What a goober.

[@felixdewinter3484]

Is it on his IG page or another’s where he is editing the comments? Also, on what post on his IG page is he editing the comments. I’m cooking up my popcorn and want to watch.

[@SpecTrain]

His KZbin video, you can't edit on IG thankfully.

[@felixdewinter3484]

@@SpecTrain Which video?

[@TautisPew]

Hey, great video. I have a question tho, would you also teach slapping the trigger to a person whos holding a gun for the first time ever?

[@ChrisDeRouenOfficial]

You will never learn to swim if you never get in the pool.

[@thegenericchen]

If you had adequate classroom/dry fire time, you could train all of the "fundamentals" in a way that would make excessive trigger pressure less problematic. It's ok to slam on your car brakes in some situations, in fact it's necessary during emergencies. I wouldn't have a a first time driver smashing his brake pedal repeatedly, but they would understand what would happen if you did, how to control it, what situations it would be appropriate and maybe even give it a try during the first lesson just to understand the concept. But a complete curriculum would certainly involve being capable of slamming on the brakes while maintaining control/slapping the trigger while maintaining precision.

[@SpecTrain]

I don't really teach anybody to slap the trigger on purpose as a technique. The drill I do in this video is my favorite grip diagnostic. It forces you to be sloppy with your trigger manipulation so that you can see what happens in your sights, and exposes weaknesses in your grip. It is absolutely the fastest way I know to teach anybody of any level how to figure out their grip pressures.

[@shhhboss3139]

man you know this isnt gonna count with that gamer gun 🤣good stuff as always. class act response.

[@SpecTrain]

saw it coming, had to pull out the old g-lock haha

[@wintersoldier4335]

Also you can break it down into different pieces like you said before where you just do the shooting portion at time you just do the draw at time then you may do the draw to the prep at time and then put it all together we did this same type scenarios and I could you soon and other martial arts where you would go slow and then work on different parts to get everything down and make sure your body mechanics were doing what you were supposed to do it's called body mechanics it's called body control you're supposed to be able to control your body and tell it what to do keep doing what you're doing the contents good and don't apologize for calling somebody out

[@victormaxwell5947]

Can't say it any better myself 🇺🇸🧂🧂

[@joshouellette643]

Exactly!!!! Frogman tactical teaches a lot of old BS

[@skipatrol3407]

By random chance I happened to watch the video that frogman put out on what shooting instructors miss when teaching folks how to shoot…. Now I understand Billy’s video! I made an earlier comment that I still agree with but, my opinion of frogman’s video isn’t a good one! What an arrogant person!!His shooting ability does not match his his image or brand. I got embarrassed for him while watching his video. Not having seen his video before I made my earlier comment on this video was a poor choice on my part. Both videos, in my opinion, show parlor trick shooting! That doesn’t teach anyone anything other than how to do the trick. After seeing the frogman’s video I thought I should watch some of Billy’s videos… and holysh%} can that man shoot!!!! Though frogman has prior Seal Team experience I would rather be taught by Billy any day of the week and twice on Sunday’s…. I’m not sure what audience frogman is alluring but I hope as they gain experience they’ll see the flaw in his approach; it has no depth or width for someone to experience the nuances that are needed and necessary to acquire advanced understanding of the fundamentals!

[@nbonner75]

One thing I’ve seen repeatedly from this Frogman Tactical fella is a tendency to become extremely aggressive towards anyone who challenges his orthodoxy or ego (reference his unprovoked callout video to Lucas at T-Rex Arms). For someone who claims to have been a Teams guy, he seems pretty fragile and insecure. Ya kinda need to have some level of chill when running with a bunch of red meat eaters but this guy seems to have a lot of “little dog” syndrome. I’m not ready to accuse him of stolen valor yet but I’m curious how much of what he claims about his background is accurate and how much is inflated.

[@chilidem]

One of my favorite Stoeger drills. I learned a lot doing this drill in dryfire. Anyone that says you need to prep is a fool.

[@SpecTrain]

Be careful of declarative statements like that. Eric Graufell (probably the best pistol shooter to ever live) is a big fan of prepping the trigger for most shots. Different people have different thoughts on it, I personally start prepping let's just say outside of 15 yards. I have a video explaining this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jJfcqIGvaJdlhdE

[@chilidem]

@@SpecTrain Oh, there's certain shots that you need to prep. A 15 yard headbox is something I would require a bit more trigger prep. But you can get away with a trigger slap for open targets at some pretty good distances. It's all target and risk dependent. Didn't really think I needed to expound on that. Seems obvious.

[@skipatrol3407]

Hi I watched your video and I’m not impressed…. Not because I think you are a bad shooter but because you demonstrated a parlor trick video attempting to refute frogman’s POV. I have done what you did with my eyes closed and got my hits every time!!! It’s not hard to press the trigger straight back whether your touching or not touching the trigger. The reason frogman suggested that you put your wife and child on either side of your target is simply to emphasize with absolute certainty that if you throw one shot it would have dire and lasting effects on your life and mind. It’s a scenario that he has been in and knows what it takes to ensure 100% accountability! I’m going to make the assumption you have not experienced that level of an adrenaline dump while attempting to safe your own life as well as others??? I could be wrong, but based on your video content I don’t think I am. How about slapping the trigger three to four times with your personal accountability of .25 splits… which is all the time in the world to execute multiple shots, especially not being under extreme pressure… Please help our community to get better by simply considering the insights of those who most likely have vast experience with “under pressure” shooting than ourselves. I wish for the best for you as you progress in becoming the best possible shooter you can become.

[@donables1200]

Who has a better idea of what works the best? A seasoned competitive shooter who trains for speed, accuracy, and consistency, or a military vet, who was trained to on his SECONDARY weapon under doctrine designed to get the largest amount of people competent (not good, just competent) in the shortest amount of time and training possible? If I want to brush up on hasty ambushes, immediate action, or how to set up a patrol loadout, I'll look to a skilled veteran. If I want to learn to shoot as fast and accurately as possible, I am looking for someone who has that as their sole focus and competes at a national level. Frogman's POV is wrong and he is not only out of his lane, he is being an asshole while being out of his lane.

[@skipatrol3407]

Look to who you want…. My comment was not intended to compare the two shooters competencies; it was intended to point out that by simply gaining a sight picture then slapping the trigger for a single hit does not prove slapping the trigger is a method for 100% accountability 100% of the time. To be honest I don’t care what the two shooters are at odds with, I just wanted to state that a parlor trick isn’t an impressive rebuttal… Look up “inflight reset” by JJ Recassa or Rick Crawley. You can shoot very fast very accurately without slapping… Again I believe it’s about us, all of us becoming the most proficient and efficient we choose to become. I wish all the best and safest journey!!

[@donables1200]

@@skipatrol3407 We are in agreement. When taking a precision shot at longer range with less time constraint, shooting from the wall is the best option, but the issue that Billy and many other teachers are getting at is that by teaching new shooters to shoot from the wall with a creeping press, they never progress beyond this and when they need to shoot defensively, they can't hit a barn when prep/press goes out the window. Teaching them to shoot aggressively from the start is a better way, and accuracy goes way up when shooting slower. By not exposing them to how they will actually shoot when the adrenaline dump hits, they don't know what they don't know, and will assume that since they can shoot acceptable slowfire groups at 10 yards, they have decent pistol skills.