WE ATTEMPT THE AIR MARSHAL QUAL!

[@ProfHenry]

I was a Sky Marshal in 1971. Depending on your shooting skill levels, you were issued either a 4” barrel Model 15 S&W or a Model 60 S&W J-frame in stainless steel. I carried the 5-shot J-frame. The final qualification was in a mock-up of an aircraft cabin with silhouettes representing passengers. You started from a sitting position and had to qualify by shooting with both strong and weak hands. Needless to say, you were disqualified if you hit a passenger. It was a tough job. I had to fly out of LA to Hawaii twice a week. LOL. Of course, the red-eye flights from LA to Detroit to Miami and back were a pain.

[@kylewood8327]

That is WAY more challenging then this test

[@FullCircleReloading]

Depending on which Air Marshal's comment you read, some of them say the old standard was harder, some say the new test is harder, some said there is movement and some said there isn't, I honestly have no idea at this point.

[@kevinuspsa9353]

@@FullCircleReloadingI have a longtime friend who is current Air Marshal. Any time I send him a video or sheet that is supposed to be their qual he always says “that’s not it.” Even though I’ve asked, he won’t tell me specifically what it is. Maybe it’s secret?

[@ProfHenry]

@@FullCircleReloading I don’t think whether one test was easier or harder than the other is essential. As long as you can put rounds into the right target at the right time, under stress, it’s all good. Under stress are the keywords. It’s incredible how fumble-fingered you can get trying to reload a 5-shot J-frame from a dump pouch in a stressful situation. I think we old revolver guys (I bought my first J-frame Chief’s Special in 1962) are more conscious of bullet placement and firing as few rounds as possible to stop the target than the shooters with 18-round magazines and quick reloads. But that is just one old codger’s opinion. Once you pass 80, you can have all kinds of opinions. We did all of our stuff before the internet. LOL.

[@KindredGh0st]

What was it like being a sky marshal? Did you enjoy it? What was hard about it? I've always found it to be a fascinating career.

[@ex_c0mmun1cad08]

Retired FAM here. We shot at different distances and with only iron sights on a 357 Sig. They recently switched to a 9mm.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Apparently there’s 4 versions of the qual based on “FAM” guys commenting. So far, I’ve been told that they can’t provide the new drill and won’t tell us what’s different. If you have a different qual then send it over and we’ll do a part 2. [e-mail]

[@revolverdoesntocelot]

You guys didn't have the hk p2000?

[@MarcMayrand]

@@FullCircleReloadingwhen are you shooting the part 2?

[@aarondrennan5650]

They should be made to use the P250😊.

[@andysfreshorganicmicrogree2090]

Yes because the Sig was too hot like the 10mm too much risk of pass through and Fuselage penetration causing cabin depressurization. 🇺🇲🙏💪😎

[@ScoutSniper3124]

Awesome, now try the Secret Service pistol drill. That's 3 minutes to find and reholster you weapon.

[@FullCircleReloading]

We're confident we could get a DEI hire and pass with flying colors!

[@davidmartin6381]

🤣

[@MrRavenholdt]

😂😂

[@birddog4015]

LMAO.

[@tomrkba4685]

@@ScoutSniper3124 I am not confident in my abilities to pass. I am calling Voda for training at $1,499 for a one day class.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

Ken saying he's never seen this past with a red dot just proves he's never seen it run with a red dot

[@FullCircleReloading]

I can’t take most of what he says with any merit. He’s stuck in 1970.

[@mrs.vasquezz]

@FullCircleReloading what's really wild about the anti Red Dot crowd is dots have been on pistols for almost 40 years

[@tmac7624]

@@FullCircleReloading I've been saying that for years.

[@Arizona1776]

This is the problem with, Ken, mas and the others they maintain these old training styles and are not keeping up with new tactics and training.

[@joshuabaker5712]

Well Ken hack-athorn is old as dirt and hates modern gun and technology. He really needs to just retire and go away quietly.

[@rdsii64]

This is not to belittle your performance. You guys shot very well and I always enjoy your content. With that said, I think armed civil servants should be held to a higher standard. If you guys haven't shot in a while and can come in cold and shoot a near perfect score, the test is to easy. I agree that for private citizens who go armed in the public space, this is a reasonable standard. For armed civil servants, the bar should be set higher.

[@FullCircleReloading]

absolutely agree! We just found this to be a really good minimum standard to hold yourself to as a conceal carrier. Lord knows the state "qualification" to get your licenses are NOT up to any standard.

[@NoBody-tz4fb]

Keep standards high

[@fattigla]

Well said

[@tommyrq180]

The “standard” has to accommodate DEI hires. This is the federal government we’re talking about. 😢

[@t-rex3813]

The truth is that our armed civil servants do not get very much firearms training after they leave the academy ….. there are not enough of them that’s all departments across the country….that’s why the standards are kept low

[@johnmctheny775]

I was a USAF Raven (484) when 911 took place an we flew a FAA until the numbers got spun up, then back to military missions after they got them up. With a Berretta 92F we had to shoot the FAA course in 2001 and 2002 and I remember it was very fast, lots of rounds quick and accurate from a seated position (simulating an aircraft for our purposes) and yes it was harder. We were taught the very minimum to be able to fly as FAA because at the time we were the closest to an FAA there was.

[@JennaTailia_69]

Extra points for the creepy cameraman filming Sam from down under 😉

[@FullCircleReloading]

😂 it was an odd way to get B-Roll lol.

[@JustinW-y9z]

@@FullCircleReloadingI think he may have filmed some other type of content before this gig 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@jasonmcclish2580]

Right

[@stevenrogers4663]

I was wondering what the heck he was doing down there... and then never posted the shot

[@donaldmatthies6026]

​@@stevenrogers4663he was making his own private footage.

[@deepskywishingwell2602]

I’m not LEO, but this test I’m sure was a basic qualification test for AMS , and as the marshal said , shooting mocks were required as well. One thing to consider is that CCW has flourished in this country, as has the training. I’m glad for this. We as CCW , should be as proficient as LEO, we are defending our lives or others. Because advanced shooting tactics are “ easy” for CCW shooters , should be a good sign for us. Not a reason to doubt LEO .

[@FullCircleReloading]

we should be infinitely more proficient than LEO since we don't have a blanket of protection for fucking up.

[@Diddley-js6lf]

I was Under The Understanding To Qualify For The Job You Had To Be a LEO In Good Standing, Be FBI Qualified, Then Go Through And Passing The Shooting Coarse. At The End Of The Day, You Better Be Squared Away..

[@drgoutbreak7934]

Im a full believer if you can’t complete something like this granted the timed aspect makes it a little harder for people who haven’t trained you should not be carrying training is everything

[@michaelbrinegar4751]

Nothing like doom scrolling on KZbin and coming across people you know putting out good content. Liked and subbed

[@FullCircleReloading]

Appreciate it!!

[@seanwhite304]

This is one of the harder Quals to pass for sure . It's not super difficult if all your fundamentals are GTG . I've done this qual 3x and passed 2x . The one I failed just wasnt my day . I still take that as win because I almost never practice live fire from CONCEALMENT. It's pretty much all dry fire . I shoot 2 - 2Gun matches monthly so I have decent Foundation.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Apparently there is a newer, much harder, variation of this we will have to try over the winter

[@aahhronismyname8068]

Nice. And to think back when air marshals started they used 229 in 357 sig. Leather holsters with thumb snaps and dub mag pouches. Prob safariland.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Yessir. I'm not sure if this qual has been updated from it's original rendition, but wither way, it could be updated to reflect modern equipment.

[@Truth-Matters-ck8pb]

@@FullCircleReloadingwhy update a qual to reflect modern equipment? You can either do it or not. This is why standards are being lowered.

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@Truth-Matters-ck8pb Modern equipment makes the current standard easier than it should be. We should elevate our own standards to reflect that. We can do better, there's no reason we shouldn't be better.

[@tommyrq180]

Believe it was the P229 DAK as well, right? I still have one and have always loved that trigger feel.

[@mediocreman2]

229 excellent gun and. 357 SIG an excellent round. The only modern benefit would be less size/weight.

[@qgc3426]

This qual course is interesting but would love to see point of impact. After all doesn’t matter how fast if the round doesn’t do the job.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Next time we will ABSOLUTELY have a target cam put up!

[@justinboyer4745]

Not complaining at all. He is doing a great job. Work on the foot work from rear facing when he makes his turn to pick up time. There are better ways to attempt the turnaround as he draws the weapon. Try matching your times with a rifle as a modified Qual. It really is a good qualification. More realistic then a static position qualification which most police agencies use.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Admittedly, we are a bit rusty lol

[@HendoSam]

I’ve been thinking about the footwork side of things ever since we did this originally. I’ve been practicing it and trying other things. Appreciate the useful and actionable critique instead of just shitting on things you don’t like. 🙏

[@kyleanderson3491]

Good place to start: if you’re right handed, turn right. Lead with your eyes to the target. It turns your should then your hips. Everything moves at once. Pivot on the right foot, spin the left. Muzzle come to eyes on the first target. Ole USPSA trick on El Prez. Only caveat is shooting appendix at an actual match. Draw too quick, you’ll be pointing up range. 😮

[@JJRacaza111]

Nicely done. This was the Tactical Pistol Course (TPC) in the earlier days. Then later on they switched to the Practical Pistol Course (PPC) shot quarterly. TPC was a much tougher standard to pass than the PPC as it forced a little bit more speed.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thanks for the comment! I'd love to do a couple variations of this. We aren't at your level of shooting but anything we can do to help others learn is the goal of the channel. Most of the comments are saying we failed because we did it wrong or we failed because it's the wrong drill lol.

[@fomoco85]

As a former FLETC firearms instructor I can say this is a minimum qualification requirement and it is taught to students. Many actually have never fired a handgun before. Yea odd huh? The mystery comes from 21 -22 years ago when DHS was set up and many FAMS were desk guys borrowed from other agencies. Many ready for retirement and found the qualifications difficult with old eyes and unused skills Anyone with minimal skills can succeed in this course Great job

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you!

[@BBslider001]

Was gonna say....these skills are had by most decent weekend or comp shooters.

[@Appliedconceptssecurity]

My security company uses this qual for our school security officers. They pass it twice per school year. We shoot it without slide lock on one stage then with slide lock on the other. We also turn left and right on the spin stage.

[@brockglaze]

I'd love to know more about the pistols and holsters you guys are using.

[@Janderson199]

Just stumbled on y’all’s page, you guys have amazing videos.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you for watching!

[@tomco6996]

You're missing some things, that's the old TPC. We actually had to shoot a passing score to keep our jobs. I was one of the first hired FAMs after 9/11.

[@FullCircleReloading]

We'd love to do the newest one to keep all the FAMs happy.... but they're being quite the BlueFalcons about it.

[@jays8662]

Maybe its me but I don't consider low ready aiming at the target 4 inches below where you ultimately fire. Low ready should be pointed at the ground gun held about waist level.

[@FullCircleReloading]

It varies depending on where you learned the term for sure.

[@josephchessar3131]

Add a few .10s on each drill for the guy in the grey prepping his trigger at the low ready. Low ready is you scanning there isn’t a threat and one arises. Finger should be indexed until ready to fire.

[@FullCircleReloading]

How "low" should low ready be?

[@jamesschaffhausen4466]

That was an Awesome test. Even rusty you still passed. Great job 👏 😎👍🎯🎯🔫🔫🗒💯

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you!

[@joshroten3997]

With the environment an Air Marshal may have to shoot in (crowded plane or terminal) you would think the standards for accuracy would be very tight (like 4” or 6” circle or something like that). Still a good drill and I look forward to giving it a go myself, but like you guys said: doesn’t seem to be as tough as it could considering they might be shooting at a bad guy in a very crowded environment.

[@davelindgren5245]

I'm getting older. I can't pick up my front site like I used to. The red dot is a must for me now.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Its ABSOLUTELY a benefit. Theres no way to argue against them anymore. Appreciate you watching!

[@glidewell19]

Maybe I missed it, but what distance was this done at? Good stuff guys.

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@glidewell19 we followed the rules of the qual which states 7 yards.

[@glidewell19]

@@FullCircleReloadingthanks!

[@sgtbeam]

When did low ready become chin height. What is high ready

[@brianb7388]

@@sgtbeam NSW teaches low ready exactly as this guy did it. Shooting grip, finger indexed outside the trigger guard, muzzle roughly aimed at the feet of the target. The further away the target the higher the low ready becomes. High ready is shooting grip, finger indexed outside the trigger guard, elbows bent down muzzle at roughly 45 degrees. There's also compressed high ready, shooting grip, finger indexed, elbows bent and tucked until your forearms are touching your web gear/plate carrier. The muzzle in the compressed high ready has to alway be in your thoughts as it's very easy to flag your buddies which is obviously a huge no bueno. all of them have various strengths and weaknesses. the high ready is the most combative but blocks some of your line of vision. it's good unless you're in a multi story situation with friends above you. the low ready is similar with the added plus of no vision impairment but less combative and less practical for high speed movement. Also less favorable in a multi story situation with friendlies below you.

[@steveburke6947]

Keep pushing us to get better! Thanks!

[@pbimpactresearch4727]

They went to the PPC a couple of years after 911. The QPC is the old test and frankly most of the people being hired after 911 couldn't make the cut. That is a hard course to shoot. I had an ex seal instructor in Atlantic City say that someone could shoot the course ten times in a row perfect and then shoot it ten times and fail. If you foul your draw it's hard to recover.

[@STryon5545]

Having had to shoot that qual for my job or be fired in early 2002 one thing I didn’t hear was the split time check on the 6 shot drill. As others have pointed out it use to be a 229 with 357 sig DA/SA from a snapped in leather hip holster. When I retired they had not yet approved red dots for duty but off duty weapons we could. What got many was the splits and the stress over making it or going home unemployed (but that has changed).

[@JJLTACTICALSOUTIONS]

And that was the issue for me during the test. The 6 round rhythm drill was the hardest for me. Yes I got all rounds out in under 3 seconds but the split times killed me. Thank God I passed the TPC on my final attempt

[@karimmanassa9634]

Not the end of the world, but a couple of observations: 1) Shooter #1 and cameraman should be wearing eye pro. 2) You need to be using the QIT-97 target for this qual. This is a very specific target that is more difficult than either the one you used or the FBI QIT-99 bottle target, and would have impacted your scores quite a bit. 3) For the strings starting from the low ready, you are using a contemporary "low ready," when the low ready of the 1990's (this qual is from 1992) would be a 45° angle. To keep your exercise honest, you should have been using the low ready of that era. Remember, USFAM migrated away from this 1992 qual after they ramped up their size post-9/11 because too few recruits could pass the 1992 qual. I believe they went to something easier like the FBI qual, or something similar to it (not sure). 4) When shooter #1 turns 180°, he is turning backward into the unknown, which is a big tactical no-no. You always turn forward into the known like shooter #2 did to avoid tripping on objects or curbs you can't see behind you. Shooter #2 does it right, and I like how he alternated directions between the turns. 5) On some occasions, you guys did gaming style dry run practice on a test that's supposed to be cold. Again, none of these are deal breakers, but wanted the audience to understand some of the nuances of this really great test.

[@FullCircleReloading]

This is the single most insightful and helpful review of the ENTIRE thread. The guys not wearing eye protection are adults and can make their own decision although I don’t disagree. We used the target that was mentioned in the video we referenced but we will be doing a part two with the correct target. With so many definitions of low ready we used the one we were both taught in the military which was to aim at the “feet” of the target but we can address that in the part two. The turning thing wasn’t specified in the drill. I’m not sure why he turned the way he did but I did both just so people couldn’t make comments about it. We did run the drill cold but I can understand where you’re coming from with some of the weapons handling. I’ll make sure to truly address that on the part two as well. I really appreciate your comment. Most of the responses on here are trash. I’m glad to see a couple outliers.

[@gb93669]

@@FullCircleReloading I think on the turns, you’re supposed to alternate, and shoot left to right when you turn right, and then shoot right to left when you turn left. Not a big deal, but that’s what I remember.

[@kentfletcher8539]

​@@gb93669The COF stated L,C,R for both runs. They have the Qual printout full screen early in the video, I paused to read it.

[@kyleanderson3491]

@@FullCircleReloadingthey can make their own decisions, true. But posting informational content, professionalism lies in doing the right thing. And adult or not, it’s ignorant not to wear eye protection. not because anyone thinks it makes em hard, or operator inflator cool, but because you have two. And fragments and rock and steel spall, it’s all real life on a range. Everyone is actually looking out for you. No professionals choose this option. Just some thoughts.

[@farmerwayne1404]

What distance are you from the target. Ty.

[@FullCircleReloading]

7 yards

[@jonasb9254]

Great video guys! It’s gotten me motivated!!

[@FullCircleReloading]

Awesome! Thank you for watching!

[@IfereimiKoroiyale-pw6cl]

Liked and subscribed!! Very educational gentlemen. I think everyone should practice this. Thank you.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you for watching!

[@boneracer7562]

Hey guys, thanks for this clip 🙂 just for my understanding: I am used to low ready as gripping the weapon pointed at 45 deg down. Right or wrong?

[@HendoSam]

We just did pointed at the base of the target.

[@joshuabaker5712]

Ehh I've seen it both ways depending on qual and organization.

[@FullCircleReloading]

We were both taught to point at the "feet" of the target when we were active duty.

[@djreese1885]

Doesn’t seem like it should be that difficult. You guys did awesome 👏.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you!

[@RidingKG]

Take in consideration those with some handicaps. I have limited mobility with one leg. Turning fast is very limited, and dropping to a knee is out.

[@tetototupuna]

Is hitting the target part of the drill or just the time?

[@FullCircleReloading]

have to hit the target. "A total of 30 shots are fired from seven yards at an FBI “QIT” bottle-shaped target, pictured above, in a combined total of 33.8 seconds. Shots inside the bottle score 5, on the line or outside score 2, for a maximum possible score of 150. Minimum to qualify is 135, and all stages must be successfully shot to qualify"

[@woodystube1000]

@@FullCircleReloading thank you for sharing this! I’m going to order a box of these targets and add this to my training courses.

[@2warhammer34]

To be fair, first shooter has staged his reload. Irrespective of the method of carry, as he is configured you would not be on an aircraft as presented, the weapon and any supporting equipment must be concealed. This is not only an agency requirement but an airline regulation. The garment or garments must completely “conceal”. As far as the qual itself, it isn’t particularly difficult. The standard was restructured to reduce the number of failures. This has been an aggravating theme in regard to minimum standards across all of the alphabet agencies. I do agree that this is a great minimum for a private citizen who chooses to conceal carry.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Completely agree. Most states have a HORRIBLE standard for concealed carry licenses and most people dont practice as is. This is a simple, quick, low round count drill and like you said... bare minimum a CCW holder should be able to pass. We should always push boundaries on our skill level!

[@Frontpagefab]

@@FullCircleReloading I personally agree with you on this, but most don't. In my home state of Indiana, all you need to do to get a carry permit is pass a background check. I have shot all types of scenerios in competition events over the last 40 years, and it is humorous and scary to watch because you can tell the ones that never practice or practice very little. I darn sure wouldn't want to be close to the perp with these types grabbing iron. Also, I can understand the reasoning behind not recommending appendix carry for an Air marshall because it would be difficult (I think??) to hide it while sitting and to engage it from a sitting position. As a lefty, my preferred concealed carry is either IWB or OWB at the 8 o'clock position with my extra mag at the 3 or 4 o'clock position. I also position my extra mag with the bullets facing forward because that it how I have them on my competition rigs and during a stress fire situation, my muscle memory kicks in and does what I have practiced.

[@gb93669]

@@Frontpagefab Appendix is easily concealed while sitting and also easy for drawing. I’ve done it for years with a 4 1/2” 1911 & 2011. This is especially true while seat belted in your driving position. Much better than to one side in that case.

[@BBslider001]

@@FullCircleReloading I have stated in conversations that there should be some sort of decent required training for those who CCW daily, but I was just told to stand down as that "requirement" would be an infringement on the 2nd LOL. I mean we are required to be licensed to operate a vehicle with due regard, but not a weapon? Yeah, ok.

[@drumspipes]

Not a criticism, but seeking to learn. Is there a reason the first shooter appears to come into the position to do a press check each time? Also, shooting this qual as a drill really helps reinforce reloading skills, especially indexing the way the spare mag is carried. Thanks for the video!

[@Rackrace-bm5yu]

Press checks are free.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Not sure. Some people do it as a habit

[@carlboyd6937]

Which shooting clock were you using? Thanks and I enjoyed this video

[@DavidDaniel-cu1fr]

Pact shot timer

[@trentteachout8902]

I love this drill and totally agree that it's not nearly as difficult as the reputation would have us believe. Running it at different distances is a must. Thank you guys for the video!

[@FullCircleReloading]

We plan to do more variations as well. Thank you for watching!

[@willkitzman1839]

What is the distance to target? 10 yards?

[@FullCircleReloading]

7 yards, but you could definitely modify it to increase difficulty

[@reinaldoperez1725]

Is that the standard Low Ready? I previously understood Low Ready with the gun around the level of the belt

[@FullCircleReloading]

We found a few variations, some said at the belt line, some were compressed ready at the chest, some were 45 degrees off the shooter and some said bottom of the target. It honestly doesn't matter that much. Between all the variations there is only about a tenth(.1) second difference.

[@reinaldoperez1725]

@@FullCircleReloading I just prefer a single language whenever possible, people always criticize when there is discrepancy over language that can affect results. A nick pick I know.

[@kentfletcher8539]

It should be 45 degrees, though I agree that it doesn't make that much difference.

[@Platoon_Guide]

The FAMS, FBI, and multiple special operations units are running Glock 19s with red dots now. I prefer a dot now that I’m retired, my eyes are aging, and I think dots give me an advantage at longer distances.

[@FullCircleReloading]

We agree!

[@Truth-Matters-ck8pb]

Red dots are not the end all sight, they don’t make you better. Skills make the shooter period.

[@Platoon_Guide]

@ what I like about dots is the ability to target focus without irons blocking my view. I can make 50 yard face shots with a dot on a pistol. I agree the fundamentals matter more but I’m a senior citizen now so my eyes are too slow for irons. I shoot a lot of USPSA nowadays and no way my production speed matches my carry optics.

[@rexkreusel4127]

Excellent video … thanks …. Agreed, those that carry ought to be proficient.

[@josephchildress9651]

This test/qualification has been adjusted over time. Suffice it to say that the test was modified due to the very high failure rate when the agency was ramped up after 911. 23 years ago, the test was different and somewhat more difficult. In its current configuration it is not a super difficult qual....

[@FullCircleReloading]

We’ve heard it both ways. There’s some comments saying the new qual is harder and some comments saying the opposite. So far no one has been able to send us the current qual. If you know what it is, send it over to us and we will do a part two. [e-mail]

[@Rackrace-bm5yu]

It’s not a practical qual to run because everyone has to shoot individually.

[@dalesmith12]

What was the distance?

[@brianmadlock8385]

Where can you get these targets?

[@FullCircleReloading]

google "fbi qit target" and there will be a TON of places you can order them.

[@jrw2618]

Do the DOE protective force qual now. Its way harder than than

[@FullCircleReloading]

JUST the handgun section? Or the combined rifle/handgun, or the machine gun, 3rd burst, grenade launcher, or shoot house one? Wait.... this is for the Department of Energy??? www.standards.doe.gov/standards-documents/1200/1245-astd-2024/@@images/file

[@eagle24ss]

Someone else may have said it but you need to run it with the qit-99 target and use the point system to run it as prescribed.

[@FullCircleReloading]

The QIT 99 target is what the current rendition of the qual calls for. We will do a part two with the newer variation. We appreciate the heads up, I wasn't aware there were multiple renditions of the qual so we will do them both just to make sure our bases of covered. For this particular test, we wanted to prove someone wrong so we used the qual requirements and targets he said to use.

[@eagle24ss]

Awesome. Only reason I brought it up was I have tried it several times and failed every time. Simply my feelings were hurt.

[@FullCircleReloading]

No problem! Hopefully we pass the next one too lol. Our feelings aren't easily hurt but it would suck to have to post a fail.

[@clarencejost8132]

No Eye Pro?

[@JennaTailia_69]

Yeah not smart.. I wear eye protection 24/7 in case I have to use my firearm for self defense.

[@FullCircleReloading]

No, typically paper doesn't ricochet too bad. **THIS IS NOT LEGAL ADVICE. ALWAYS WEAR EYE AND EAR PROTECTION**

[@drgoutbreak7934]

I mean i get the time aspect of it but this is all very basic drills that i have done dozens of times if you were starting every drill seated and having to come from conceal with silhouettes of civilians it would be hard but this isnt bad next time i go to the range im gonna try this out see if i can do it

[@nelwewow28]

You guys crushed it. That being said I’ve shot this qualification many times. I have to say I’ve never used that type of target they were much smaller. Also, after every stage you go down and score your hits.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Apparently the new target is the QIT-97 and we used the older variation(QIT-99) We will correct that in the next one.

[@BBslider001]

"Fedboy" qual is all I needed to know.

[@JennaTailia_69]

A big black slider is all you are getting Fed boy.

[@CalebDiT]

I wonder if, with the drills where you have lots of time, the intention is for you to take your time. You're on a plane and can't hardly afford to miss, kinda thing. Anyway, y'all made it look easy! Your body mechanics and trigger pulls are top notch.

[@kyleanderson3491]

It’s not. While the times seem generous, it’s only true on a static 180 range. You need the faster proficiency so when you have multiple layers, you can still get the muzzle up to work as quick as possible. Shooting is 90% visual. Breaking the shot is always ALWAYS dictated by proper firing solution. And proper in an airplane is near perfect. Proper for the point of qual, is to qual.

[@FullCircleReloading]

It's definitely possible but my guess is that most CCW can't pass this and that they NEED that extra time.

[@dylanholbrook6239]

You need the bottle with the box and score it 5pts for the box, 2 for in the bottle, and 0 outside the bottle. Makes it a lot tougher.

[@FullCircleReloading]

We'll give it a go! For this video we wanted to use the actual QIT target.

[@dylanholbrook6239]

@FullCircleReloading From my understanding the correct qit target is is the 21.75"L x 12" w bottle with the 6.25L x 4" w center box and a 3" x 3" upper box. And the scoring should be 5pts in the box, 2pts in the bottle, but out of the box, 0pts out of the bottle. Line breaks assume the lower score. There are several variations of the bottle target, none of which should have the scoring rings like your example, to my knowledge. The hit boxes should be outlines only, with no special colors in the bottle. Nor should you use the extended length bottle (26")

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@dylanholbrook6239 There are several variations of the Qual now. The one you mentioned is the newest iteration. That was brought to our attention in a comment below. We will film a part two doing the newer test. This target was offered in black and white, the one we used and one with no color at all. The red makes it show up on camera better. We got this drill and target straight from the guy we mentioned in the video who said this couldn't be done with a reddot. Now that we know there are multiple iterations, we will be doing a video on all them.

[@dylanholbrook6239]

@FullCircleReloading I am no authority on the matter. But what I explained was the test I have used. Maybe I missed it but there should be two draw and shoots from 25 yards with a combined time of maybe 4 seconds from my memory. And the turn and shoots should be a turn in each direction. I'm not criticizing you. I enjoy the content. Just trying to give some feedback back. I believe and I am welcome to be corrected, that the qit I described is the original qit target. I have never been and air marshal, I wasn't one in the 90's, I have never trained them, never worked for or contracted for the federal government. But I have trained, done the test in the way I described, and stayed at a Holiday inn in my lifetime.

[@jasonbennett3790]

Where is that everyday carry video you mentioned in the beginning?

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@jasonbennett3790 haven’t released it yet. It’s coming.

[@glennmassanova5671]

I have to say well done. I ran this a while ago but to make it even harder we did A zone only to qualify not the bottle target.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Comments say we’re both terrible shooters and a DQ’d lol.

[@michaelaustin7505]

An interesting drill is "10 in 10 at 10" 10 shots in the 10 ring at 10 yards in 10 seconds including a speed reload and an Administrative reload, when you do the reloads is your choice.

[@FullCircleReloading]

We will give it a shot. We plan to do a video on a bunch of random drills to get better as a CCW holder.

[@jeffbadger462]

What is the distance ?

[@FullCircleReloading]

7 yards

[@joshuabaker5712]

Nice shooting guys. Ive thought about gsthering up the basic pistol quals from LEO, FBI, FAM ect and hitting the range to try them out. I shoot a lot of USPSA but its all with fancy gear and gun. These would be fun to do from my EDC setup.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Absolutely. The more drills, quals, training you do VASTLY benefits you. Its amazing the amount of people that couldnt get remotely close to passing even this.

[@Cobra6DeltaGaming]

Maybe someone can help me understand something here. What is Sam doing after every shot with his left hand? After each shot he constantly grabs the barrel and press checks? Ensuring the barrel is fully forward? Re-grip/verify grip? Just a habit formed over years of shooting? Just curious is all. Great video guys!

[@HendoSam]

It’s a habit from not being acquainted with the smaller gun. Just verifying grip and making sure I’m all good to go.

[@Cobra6DeltaGaming]

@@HendoSamthank you. It was just something I spotted right away. Found myself racking my brain over what you were doing. Makes sense now.

[@aaronreed5750]

I could be missing it....but what are the distances for the strings???

[@brucel399]

FBI standard 7 yards (21 feet)

[@FullCircleReloading]

The qual stated 7 yards, we are closer to 10 in the video.

[@diego20586able]

.....was that s tactical bunny-hop and a skip 180° turn???

[@cactustex666]

Can’t find that target on Amazon. You should list where it would be available or state it’s an old target not available anymore. Great video. Good shooting.

[@allenbennett4422]

It’s still available. Qualification targets and action targets both make them.

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@cactustex666 Qualification targets has most of the popular qual targets. Action targets is where we get most of our stuff though.

[@cactustex666]

@@FullCircleReloading thanks

[@jefftabor595]

Great video. I will do the challenge with my RDS and a WML. I will update. Thank you for the great content.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you for watching!

[@chrismedrano1825]

Should try the new Mexico corrections firearms qualification, doesn't seem much harder than this but has diff range, like from retention, 5, 7, and 15 yards I believe

[@BlueZee28]

Pretty sure that one starts at 1yd, because you gotta practice having the target slip you contraband first.

[@jaredjohnston8061]

The hardest thing about watching this video is he hitting anything first and can you prove which ones hit where when?

[@FullCircleReloading]

We failed on putting up a target cam for proof on this one! Sorry about that. Next time we absolutely will!

[@Carwash520]

Is part of the qual not wearing ear pro at the range ?

[@FullCircleReloading]

We were definitely wearing ear pro for all of the shooting portions and the nearest shooting is several hundred yards away. The camera picks up noises a lot more than in person.

[@DougOrr]

Going to try it, looks good.😊

[@FullCircleReloading]

We think it's a decent training standard for CCW holders. No reason we can't accomplish it as civilians.

[@TonyMagzz]

I was a FAM for a few years. Also been a USMC grunt, LEO, SWAT guy, and a DEA TF member. Lots of real life trigger time under the belt. There is absolutely NO WAY that a regular, off the street, Joe is passing the FAM qual course. Not happening, no way, never. I'd bet my right nut on it. Shit, we had real life Ranger Batt bad asses and Green Berets fail it. Civilians have no concept of just how good FAM's are with a pistol. It's beyond precision shooting. When USMil Tier 1 units come to range training days to learn, you're doing it right.

[@ryanmariner]

When you say "regular off the street Joe" does that mean someone who has never shot a gun before? Or just a civilian? I ask because I am pretty sure your, say, class A and above shooter in USPSA could pass.

[@FullCircleReloading]

This really shows the absolute lack of standards in LE and Civilian shooting. This is a fairly easy drill for anyone that is half familiar with drawing.

[@dualityofmorons]

My dad is an air Marshall and he used to pass his call with a 357 Sig that he was originally issued with lol

[@mediocreman2]

Lucky guy. Great round.

[@shoofly529]

For Stage #1 Consealment: you may want to consider piece of 6'x1' piece of plywood, or cardboard in a stand. Even a 4x4 post in a xmas tree stand would work.

[@FullCircleReloading]

This video didn't have anything to do with concealment.

[@kentfletcher8539]

"From concealment" in the Qualification instructions means the shooter starts with gun in holster, concealed. What you're describing for props would be for a barricade position. In the old PPC matches some stages were shot from a baarcade. The Bianchi Cup, too, for that matter.

[@kelleymcmahan6457]

Guys, you made this look easy but folks need to remember, large numbers of prospective Federal Agents regardless of Agency have never touched a firearm before entering the FLETC Academy.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Which is why we feel standards need to be higher.

[@mo-gee7151]

I hold a 13 year NYFO record 300 straight perfect score every 3 months of my career. This is NOT the course of fire.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Sounds made up. But what's the newest one? All the FAMs and Cops are keeping their low standards a secret

[@andysfreshorganicmicrogree2090]

JUST found this Outstanding channel. Thank y'all for the knowledge. Much appreciated. 💪🙏😎🇺🇲 🔫🪖

[@FullCircleReloading]

Thank you for watching! And if you subscribed, that too!

[@rbm6184]

But...... you have to have a gun range that allows freedom of movement and drawing from holster. Most are square ranges either indoor or outdoor that are restricted behind a shooting table with no drawing from holster behind the table. You will be lucky if they have one range set aside mainly for shotgun with from holster and freedom of movement with no tables. The best most can do is starting from pistol on the table rather than in the holster. So drawing from holster can be restricted to dry fire only due to ranges that restrict drawing from holster and freedom of movement.

[@FullCircleReloading]

90% of this drill can be practiced at home in the basement and just dry firing. None of the movements are complex and accuracy standard is low. Making sure you are proficient in your draw, reloads and transitions can all be done at home.

[@deepskywishingwell2602]

This is the 800 lb elephant in the room. I have shot at multiple ranges and belonged to two clubs. NOT ONE allowed drawing from holster to shoot. Or shooting drills of any kind. You might get an early AM table outside at the club. But if you were spotted, you were ejected permanently. Indoors never . Most of these “ testing or Trainings “ are conducted with explicit permission, or at advanced shooting facilities. For the working class it dry fire in the mirror 🙄

[@rbm6184]

@@deepskywishingwell2602 When I belonged to a club there was freedom of movement and drawing from the holster. Its these new ranges with new rules because the liability is so high. A club is more likely to allow it with vetted members than a range open to the public.

[@davezalva849]

great drills just to practice. good job guys. enjoyed

[@FullCircleReloading]

We thinks it's a good standard.

[@kylewood8327]

It’s easy so the “Pats” of the Secret Service can pass! But I am surprised there is no variation of distance shooting in this qualification? I’ve done the FBI qual and passed that using an Sig P320x compact.

[@FullCircleReloading]

We thought it was a little easier than it was made out to be. We will run a modified version to appease some of the commenters lol

[@bigneilh]

this guy doesn't use eye protection?

[@FullCircleReloading]

Some people do, some dont.

[@andrewking8509]

Both shooters have a habit of reaching over their upper after every drill. It looks like they are about to initiate a front serration press check but they don't. Any idea what they are doing? It is especially obvious with the first shooter, but both have developed this habit. Would love to know why.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Sam was adjusting grip. This was his first time shooting a new pistol. He used a P365 for this and is used to carrying a Glock 19.

[@kentfletcher8539]

Were there already three shots on the center target? 25 holes, but three look like wadcutter: 8 ring 1 o'clock, 9 ring a half inch from the upper 9, and just below the X ring.

[@FullCircleReloading]

There weren't any extra bullet holes, there were some small tears from where we put the staples in. The backers on the targets aren't in great shape.

[@blackhillsrider2626]

How far back were you from the targets?

[@FullCircleReloading]

Solid response my man! Thanks for watching!

[@Colton-e5h]

These are cool drills. My only issue here with things like this are the types of targets. I’m no expert on gunfights and hopefully never gain the experience but how often does someone get presented with a full silhouette? My limited exposure to life or death situations has taught me that I won’t be given a full silhouette…at least I wasn’t, your experience may vary. If someone’s shooting at you they’re likely to be taking cover or behind concealment allowing you only a sliver of the target to be presented. Think peeking corners, cracked doors and behind other people. We’ve all seen the “hostage” targets. Maybe I’ll go out and duct tape two vertically parallel lines about 4 inches apart to mimic a cracked door only allowing for a sliver of the target to be exposed to my sights.

[@FullCircleReloading]

The standard has to be set somewhere and for ease of training standards and qual processes, a full silhouette is usually used. Outside of the actual qual, the training tends to be more intensive.

[@kentfletcher8539]

My civilian comp shooting goes back to early 80s in IPSC, USPSA, then IDPA. Threat targets behind cover are common in matches, simply cover part or most of the threat target with cardboard or the no-shoot side of another target.

[@christisking1193]

I do this on USPSA targets with A zone being 5 and C zone being 2 line break being worse score. No points for D zone and it’s pass or fail on time.

[@FullCircleReloading]

That's a much harder version than this.

[@troygonzales6386]

Where is the secret service qual ? Oh yeah we saw that in Pennsylvania .

[@rj934]

Interesting! What caliber were you shooting? The FAMs do it, or at least used to do it ,with 357 Sigs. That was a few years ago. I don’t know what they are shooting these days. Back when I went through the FLETC, the FAMs were acknowledged as the best pistol shots in the Federal Law Enforcement family. We shot our quals with the issued 40SW.

[@FullCircleReloading]

I did it with a Glock 19 and Sam did it with an Sig macro. We mentioned that at the beginning.

[@Jokerex44]

This actually is easier than the NC PPS qual, which starts at 3 yards and ends at 25, 50 rounds total. IMO there should be a standard actual qual score for anyone getting a CC. Just my opinion.

[@FullCircleReloading]

100% agree. It should NOT be a ***REQUIREMENT** It SHOULD however be a standard that responsible people should want to train to.

[@OGsDangerShow]

I’m pretty sure your DJI mic isn’t synced to your camera. I know because I’ve screwed this up on my channel more times than I’ve gotten it right. 🤦‍♂️

[@FullCircleReloading]

It’s not. Sam forgot to hit record a couple times and there was gaps in the audio so we ran with the backup mic we had mounted on the main camera.

[@glimtecharms5115]

If you like I can send you the new AZ Post Handgun Qual. More distance changes than the A.M. Qual. also included head shots at 15 yds. Dots are a big help with this qual.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Send it over! We can work it into the video schedule. [e-mail]

[@MR21931]

Camera man was getting creative with the angles ❤😂

[@FullCircleReloading]

He certainly was lol

[@pik2490]

Can anybody tell me the holster in the thumbnail? Thx

[@FullCircleReloading]

Tier 1 concealed.

[@pik2490]

@ thank you

[@michaelt.9372]

Having done various LE quals before, this isn’t terribly difficult. But very good shooting nonetheless.

[@FullCircleReloading]

Its not at all. Perfectly attainable performance for everyone that carries.

[@Rusty_ok]

If I may suggest …you guys should run the 5x5 IDPA classifier. Similar but a lot more difficult to get into the higher ranking.

[@FullCircleReloading]

I'll look it up and do it later in the year. The point of this video was to prove an instructor wrong but I am all for doing other quals that are more difficult. We may even redo this one but entirely from concealed.

[@kyleanderson3491]

Hahahahaha paper Masters unite!!!!!

[@brmjones1911]

Where do u get the targets from?

[@FullCircleReloading]

Ordered them from action targets. They sell a bunch of qualification targets.

[@steverogers3931]

Why didn't you post the score for the second guy?

[@FullCircleReloading]

Because we aren't very good videographers lol. I dropped one on the qual as well.

[@davep5039]

What distance?

[@FullCircleReloading]

the official qual states 7 Yards. The farther you do it, the better you'll get

[@hunterkoontz5142]

All from the 7 yard line

[@hunterkoontz5142]

@@FullCircleReloading can yall do a local law enforcement pistol qual? I think would be good to compare fed vs local!

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@hunterkoontz5142 every local will be different, I think you'd be surprised how ridiculously low local and state qualifications are.

[@hunterkoontz5142]

@ I know New Mexico’s DPS qual probably isn’t the hardest but seems harder, requiring multiple credit card headshots and 25 yard shots

[@iwasrel0ading138]

Passed with the new cz p09 c nocturne

[@FullCircleReloading]

We dont have that one

[@iwasrel0ading138]

@ i ment i passed with mine sorry

[@FullCircleReloading]

@@iwasrel0ading138 awesome! Red dot or irons on it?

[@modined8178]

Why do you keep checking if it's loaded. Didn't you topped off your mag

[@FullCircleReloading]

We did not.

[@justahuman9864]

What kinda of backup mag solution are you utilizing?

[@HendoSam]

I was running the NeoMag and Allen was running a mag carrier that attached to his holster.

[@FullCircleReloading]

The holster I have is a tier 1 Concealed with mag carrier attached to it.

[@justahuman9864]

Awesome you guys. I’m UC. I love my NeoMag. Keep up great work.

[@wolfman2702]

Good shooting men! I’m surprised you did so well with out all of the standard you tube gun channel window dressing - tattoos, face covering, camo, profanity, and acid rock playing in the back ground! I just subscribed.

[@FullCircleReloading]

We forgot our kit, balaclavas and QuadNods and acid rock at home that day or we would have. Appreciate the sub!!