SHOULD You Stop An Active Shooter As An Armed Citizen?

[@reyvynnightveil1706]

"There is no such thing as a fair fight. One person will be stronger, faster, more well armed, or more well trained. In this, we must exploit any advantage we can when engaging with an enemy who insists on the pursuit of violence." - Grandmaster Masaaki Hatsumi

[@robertsmith2956]

Liberals must be insane to demand criminals get more training. I want the guy I have to shoot it out with to be the worst marksman on the planet.

[@werberderber6209]

Part of the self defense law in Nebraska says you can't use deadly force for a simple punch, this is BS, there are quite a few stories out there where the perp said I just punched him once. There is no such thing as a simple punch.

[@robertsmentkowski312]

Absolutely do not be on the phone at all

[@GrumpyAssOldMan]

1000% brother. Godspeed

[@MarkMcDaniel]

Precisely. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

[@clgmafnas]

The government needs to stop punishing law-abiding citizens for defending themselves and others. I understand there are those who make less than desirable choices in the name of self-defense, but when lives are on the line, those who can, should. If not us, then who?

[@Timboykee]

@@2mon249 I like it. Easier to type than my preference, "law-conscientious".

[@jonesy4588]

we need a new gov't , this one is run by crooks and idiots

[@mattbarrett41]

Emotionally, I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, assuming that if everything goes right, you can assume the State will prosecute. Get a lawyer

[@DawnPatrol21]

Yeah instead of waiting for 911 to send police. You'll all be dead by then.

[@kad3e3]

@@mattbarrett41 I live In Oregon, so I’m screwed no matter if the perp had a gun pointed at me or not.

[@hubriswonk]

I am more concerned with the police, DA, judges, jury and media after defending myself and general public from an active shooter.

[@reubenmorris487]

I'd be more concerned with not hitting my intended target...

[@robertsmith2956]

@@reubenmorris487 Then you need to practice more.

[@robertsmith2956]

My concern is the cops will try and disarm me without producing a warrant. Starting another active shooter I need to stop. I can't ensure officer safety if I am unarmed.

[@CIVILDEFENSEBUNKER]

This is what the media and the law has brainwashed all of us in....what happened to courage and American....

[@Ph4r4oh_444g]

@@reubenmorris487 if you do just take your time if you hear gun shots then it’s shoot first give commands later police job is to have the gunman surrender using overwhelming force as a single armed citizen it is not your duty nor is it your job to preserve the safety of that subject FACE YOUR FEAR, SHOOT FIRST WHEN YOU SEE HIM ACTIVELY AIMING HIS WEAPON AT OTHERS be aware of your surroundings and the situation in general after you drop that subject don’t rush to get him hold your position and look for any accomplices.

[@mikeb.5039]

Good information, a few years ago a pair of deputies were ambushed by a pair of extremists at a Walmart, an armed civilian came to their aid. unfortunately, he did not realize there was a second shooter and was killed along with the two deputies.

[@cliffcorbitt9494]

We will catch that you know what sooner or later 😉

[@ynotdrewans4957]

I remember that, that's is why it is important to pay attention around you don't tunnel vision and don't expose your fire arm until absolutely necessary.

[@christopherkidwell9817]

@@papimaximus95 The officers might not have known as well. Were they killed before they could report on the number of suspects?

[@vikramgupta2326]

@@christopherkidwell9817 yes, as I understand they had no time to report anything.

[@kellyshea92]

That was the walmart shooting in Las Vegas. He didnt know the woman was with the shooter. Otherwise he would probably have killed the gunman

[@flyoverkid55]

Well said. My rule of thumb is that, if I'm not the intended or accidental target, I'm not going to press the attack. That's just a general rule. If I didn't have eyes on the attack, I may mistake an armed defender for the attacker. I may be mistaken as the attacker by another citizen. This crap is going to go down in a matter of seconds, I need to know what the deal is or I'm going to be on the phone to 911.

[@decard8726]

Respect. Not a lot of people point out this hole in the "good guy with a gun" mentality. A good guy with a gun is sometimes indistinguishable from a bad guy with a gun. Sometimes it's worth playing it safe. Of course, you play it too safe and you lose the chance to act. No right answers.

[@flyoverkid55]

@@decard8726 For myself, I need to know beyond any doubt how the incident initiated. As you say, it's not possible to look at someone and know their intentions. If I see it go down, then I can make decisions based upon that knowledge. If I'm just hearing gunfire, I'm looking for a way out of danger as my first choice.

[@cole141000]

Agreed. Also agreed with the comment above me, I’ve seen too many good samaritans unwisely step into an altercation. There’s especially the risk of being mistaken by someone else as one of the attackers if the event doesn’t take place quickly. We’re also prone to mistake there being only 1 attacker.

[@Joncenalol235]

Get off the X be prepared to fight!

[@flyoverkid55]

@@Joncenalol235 As long as you have the facts. Attackers don't wear jerseys with big " A " on them.

[@shanejones4058]

Anytime I think of a active shooter scenario, a few things come to my mind. 1. Number of bad guys/how they handle their firearm and move. 2.can i, Realistically…take this threat out. 3.cover or concealment. Is there sufficient cover for me to safely engage from? 4.I do engage,How am I going to ensure the Police know I’m a good guy and not a threat. Great video. Great topic. One thing I’ve learned as I matured.Having your gun is not always going to be enough. Training and knowledge can mean the difference between you winning that gun fight or dying.

[@ElaiisTaiE]

We had an active shooter situation at a grocery store in my town last year. Reports said an employee went after the shooter with a produce knife and was shot and killed while the only customer carrying concealed, that we know of, was helping to evacuate other customers out through the stock room. Guarding evacuees and confronting the threat are both heroic actions, I just wish the employee had more effective means to defend himself and others. I haven’t yet come to a conclusion of what I would do in that situation

[@anitaparks8945]

You won't know until it happens to you. Was once jumped in the 80's....changed my life. Years later a Second robbery attempt...my reaction, I flipped and went after him,adrenalin....like on autopilot. I realized that day that I CAN k... someone IF Threatened and in Fear for my Life.

[@stevenklinkhamer9069]

Life and death decisions have to be made within a very limiting time frame. That's what's really tough about these types of situations.

[@richardharmon647]

Never bring a knife to a gun fight

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

​@@anitaparks8945 That last part is so very true..

[@mercedesbenzs600bash]

​@Richard Harmon Unfortunately dude wasn't thinking at all...

[@tobylopez445]

I risked my life for our Country when I joined the Military in 1966/1969 and I would damn sure risk my life to save innocent women, children, and young and older adults. Hell yes! but I would do it tactically and with a quick recon observation of surroundings and enemy to take down etc. PS I always carry 4 extra magazines because you just never know how your day will be?

[@Ph4r4oh_444g]

Yeah…… I only carry 2 🤣💀when I’m out and about. 4 when I’m working

[@captainchaos3053]

Hell I can only ever manage one at a time. Besides I'm not really an avid reader

[@bismarkpeloche3775]

Rambo 😊

[@abstractapproach634]

Thanks, wish I could say ditto but unless I have an incredible advantage or am cornered .... I'm getting me and mine out. So, carry an extra clip for us who care more for our own family than people who may well have voted to ban the weapon I'm about to save them with. Of course if I have a clean shot and he doesn't see me then yeah, but yeah I ain't charging no one!

[@abstractapproach634]

If I remove my stock and obtain a shorter barrel, one is all I need to carry (but I'll always have my little JA .380, they never expect a second gun!) And plenty if back up magazines, luckily I had some money last year when the ban hit, so now I need ammo to fill them lol.

[@FordF250Tremor]

Always an impossible decision. If you chose to “engage” there is always the risk of being shot by the shooter or being shot by another Good Samaritan because they think YOU are the bad guy. If don’t engage, did you get away and 10 people die? Can you live with that?

[@davidcapps6111]

It is a double edged sword...........so to speak.

[@davep4610]

@TremorF250 Exactly right. That is why I think that IF the situation happens where I have a likely chance of success, without hurting others, then I would try. But only if the situation fits within my moderate marksmanship skill and training.

[@barelyfree9427]

That's something I've shared before with people. I'm defending my family first, the rest come after. Generally that means I'm getting out of dodge.

[@USCCAOfficial]

Thank you for your military service, Ryan.

[@stevekatz4372]

I carried a G19 as my Duty Weapon for about 15 years, up bro my retirement in 2009. I have had a Carry Permit here in Florida since I moved here from NJ in 1997. Having said this, I can only respond to this question based on all my training and experience. Never once in all my experience, on or off duty, I have never had to use my weapon to defend someone or myself But I have thought about what I would do in this situation, if I had to respond. IMO, I think It becomes a very personal decision and it will be based on your inner most feelings about shooting your gun and possibly killing someone or being Killed trying to save someone! I can truly say that I would use my Weapon only to save myself or a loved one from being killed! By the same token, I wound Not try to save someone else from possibly being killed, using my EDC Gun! This may seem harsh or selfish to some But My Family needs me to come home every night and this is the most important thing to Me!

[@davidcarraway3784]

I was just about to comment the same thing. To me it’s everybody’s choice if you can legally do so and capable of having your own protection. I’ll protect myself and some family to a point as long as they were in the right

[@baron7024]

While taking course for CCHP in Virginia I remember the instructor, an attorney, saying the worst position to be in is 3rd party defense. If the person/s you defended testify they didn't think they were in danger of grievous bodily injury or death you're going to have a bad day. Tough call to make.

[@werberderber6209]

Yep, this is why I will not, I will find an exit if I can, if my family or friends are with me but we are seperated I will go looking for them and then get out, but putting myself into a situation, NOPE, not going to happen.

[@Ph4r4oh_444g]

@@werberderber6209 agreed I’ll get family and friends and other bystanders out but yeah I’m not going to go on looking for a fight but if the fight comes to me I’ll be mentally and emotionally prepared for it and it’s consequences.

[@werberderber6209]

@@Ph4r4oh_444g I get bashed for my beliefs on this, bottom line if I wanted to be a cop I would have become one. My only responsibilty is to myself, family and friends. The other people should buy a firearm if they want to protect themselves. I also beleive teachers should be armed if they want to be.

[@werberderber6209]

My instructors said the same thing, they emphasized that the person who is getting attacked may just turn on you for defending them against the love of thier lfe.

[@abstractapproach634]

I think the video was about clearly deranged mass shooters whom only lead will stop. If it seems domestic, gang related, or ambiguous gtfo!

[@ZzzRoofus]

I've thought about this before. Your responsibility is to take care of and protect your family. Others people's safety is not your responsibility. If they choose to not arm themselves, they will suffer th consequences. You only need to be a hero to your family.

[@christopherkidwell9817]

Except that those other people could be your friends, your relatives, or children... very hard to tell someone that they should not intervene to help children.

[@paulbunyun4479]

10-4 on that. get away, unless the gun is pointed at you less than 21ft away from you

[@NANA-lq5md]

@@christopherkidwell9817 he did say family.

[@paulmadsen51]

I agree. People who outsource their security to strangers are accepting the risk that they may be left defenseless and/or abandoned when their life is at stake. (Watch the Uvalde TX school footage if you think law enforcement will intervene to save you.) That's their choice, and intervening in someone else's struggle creates tremendous liability and risk to yourself. Who will protect your loved ones going forward if you are dead? They are priority #1, which makes you priority #1 as their protector. All that said, every situation is unique, and exceptions are sometimes the moral course of action.

[@Wildwestwrangler]

@@paulbunyun4479 only less than 21ft away from you?!!! Really?!!! Guess someone forgot to tell you that bullets go further than 21ft!!! Look at young Mr. Dickens in the mall, if you want an example!!!

[@sooperdweeb1753]

It depends on what state and county you're in. Here in AZ, if something were to occur in Maricopa county , I wouldn't get involved at all because the DA and Jury would hang you no matter how good the shoot was. But in Gila county it's a different story. The DA would help pass more ammo to you during the firefight. Be aware of the political support or lack there of, pertaining to the county you reside in or you are going to pay the consequences.

[@patrickgriffitt6551]

Thanks for that info. I live in Maricopa County and thought I had more support from the politicos. Seems that Leo's are ok though.

[@TruthvsLies5050]

Wow, that is wrong for the state to act like that if he or she is in the right! They should thank you not hang you, but no one cares!

[@aolvaar8792]

Red in the rural areas, Blue in the metros>>> purple state A lot of blues from Commiefornia.

[@sooperdweeb1753]

@@aolvaar8792 I’m from Commiefornia but identify as a Deplorable right wing 2A Constitutionialist Retired Peace Officer and if this state goes blue, I ‘ll be leaving. I refuse to live under the yoke of tyranny that Marxist /Socialists seem to propagate.....we shall see how many leftists from Cali have moved and added to the illegals can displace conservative votes....

[@jonathaneissler1463]

This topic has crossed my mind a few times. “What do I need/ should do if I came across a situation as such.” Thanks for the video.

[@anonamos225]

Imagine someone else carrying has already neutralized the threat. You, not knowing this, see someone else with a gun in all this chaos and hit someone who was just doing the right thing. Imagine you're the person who neutralized the threat and someone mistakes you for the activie shooter. Lots to think about. Engage as a last resort only.

[@Greg-yu4ij]

You’re going to have to wait to see if they shoot an innocent. If they start after more people then you can be sure.

[@sparky5754]

Coward

[@Greg-yu4ij]

@@sparky5754 meh, better to teach someone how to be brave than pigeon hole them as a coward, even if they are by your standards

[@johngotti299]

That’s why you gotta watch who they’re shooting. If they’re shooting someone with a gun leave them alone. If they’re shooting unarmed people running away then boom that’s your bad guy take them out.

[@thisissparta8884]

@@johngotti299 Exactly. Observation will be key. Stay out of site, observe, and wait for the shot.

[@1965bhm]

Summed it up when you said “ assess the situation “ . Great points. No one could intelligently say, “I’d engage“. Too many variables and unknowns to make a blanket statement like that. Imagining that scenario at the age of 27 when my kids depended on me, I would probably act different now that I am pushing 60 years old. I would imagine that folks who are older are probably more willing to engage in something like that if they could do it smartly over someone younger where people depend upon them. Good video.

[@donmckenzie5027]

100% engage not even a second thought!

[@ShiftyKen08]

As with all things in life, it depends on the situation.

[@jerold8908]

Great advice, I may not have worded this so every one understands the sarcasm about some people who want to be the hero in the headlines. Another point, be aware that there might be another good guy with a gun out there. If the police arrive, and see you with a gun in your hand, well, they shoot first and ask questions later.

[@buckhorncortez]

I don't want or need to be seen as a "hero." That's for people with ego problems. So, please don't include me in your definition of "everybody."

[@letsgobrandon5800]

@@buckhorncortez @jerold, speak for yourself…..

[@alanbourne2332]

I don’t believe your statement about wanting to be a hero maybe you but most people don’t want to be in the spotlight

[@jerold8908]

Apparently most people are missing the sarcasm in my post. I have no intention of planning on being the hero. Only the rookies and gamers carry a gun with the intention of being the hero, but I see a lot of them out there.

[@jerold8908]

@@alanbourne2332 Apparently most people are missing the sarcasm in my post. I have no intention of planning on being the hero. Only the rookies and gamers carry a gun with the intention of being the hero, but I see a lot of them out there.

[@koolski]

Target ID was hammered into my brain when I was a tanker in the army. You must positively know what you are shooting at. If in doubt, don't pull the trigger. Gun craft 101!!!

[@dgriffin6074]

Wise comments from an expert. The 1st rule one learns in Medical School is "Primum Non Nocere": first do no harm. It appears this also applies to shooter situations. Thanks, Kevin.

[@dgriffin6074]

@@svbarryduckworth628 Actually, it's medical errors which includes a wide variety of concerns such as medication errors. I don't know if your statistic is current or accurate, but not being able to perfectly achieve a goal is certainly not a reason to discard it.

[@otishohimer9146]

Good video, glad you finally addressed this. Only a member for 2 month but I do have active shooter training. People need to understand just like you said ( charging into an active shooter situation is a good way to get killed and even worse its a good way to shoot the wring person ) please everybody, think it through and run the scenarios in your head if your like me and feel you would have to defend others regardless of the danger to yourself. I can't stress enough that getting involved means using your head, cover, concealment, shooter identification and making sure your not engaging others like yourself who are trying to help. First aid kit, proper training, remaining focused and calm ( the best you can )

[@robertsmith2956]

Or get shot by the cops after you stopped the shooter. That happened at a mall in birmingham. cops showed up and shot the man dead. I think he was rendering aid to another victim that was shot when they shot him in the back.

[@otishohimer9146]

Absolutely Robert

[@StefanSu91]

I think it's an 'at-the-moment' decision. If I feel confident I can get him, I might. But, as a dad and husband, if my family is with me, I'm most likely getting out of there unless we are in the middle of it. My family is my priority, then myself cause they depend on me, and then others. Carry yourself and protect yourself and those you love. I'm not gonna die for your mistakes. I already served 5 years.

[@KTony-go6zt]

Respect man .

[@jp-ty1vd]

I agree to a point but what would you do if you heard shots and children screaming? Tough choice, hope you are never in that situation.

[@stevelopez372]

@@jp-ty1vd That’s quite the Extreme Scenario you have painted for a man Carrying to protect his family. Even the trained Police Force in Uvalde School District in Texas botched that Scenario. These are Moral Decisions every individual has to make.

[@StillMansa]

YES! Next question.

[@Thedoug369]

Sound advice Kevin, this is why training is so important, so you can make the shot that ends the threat, hopefully every time.

[@louderbackbarry]

1st shot is the most important because the 1st shot will give up your position and get attackers attention directed to you so marksmanship is #1 most important. If your not good enough to hit attacker with 1 round then it’s smart to just try to escape and get to safety and keep cover the whole time

[@1SGPARKER]

Superb advice! Lots of us carry for self-protection. But this type of event requires a lot of thought processes, knowledge, and skill. Frankly, things most of us are not trained to do. Also, realize that most (not all) active Shooters use rifles, not what you will be carrying, a handgun. That is a HUGE difference in accuracy. Look up the statistics on the typical pistol or revolver engagement distance between perpetrator and defender.

[@jp-ty1vd]

A rifle's main attribute is it's accuracy at longer distances when you take time to aim. At shorter distances the point-n- click attribute of a pistol cancels the rifle's distance advantage. imo

[@WestCoastChicano]

If I'm with family members my first priority would be to find the nearest exit and get them to safety. If I'm alone then I may look for an opportunity to engage. Gr8 vid as usual. 🔫 🇺🇸

[@thisissparta8884]

Exactly what I would do. 👍🏻

[@colobisman6132]

Well said. No need for me to post it again now.

[@abstractapproach634]

Darn straight, the others should have guns too. It's not my fault their not prepared (If I am confident I can neutralize the target with minimal risk then yeah, obviously but don't count on us buy a gun a quit banning the weapons capable of the job!

[@uncrunch398]

One of the scarier aspects of these scenarios is sometimes the shooter had military training and a specific interest in marksmanship and efficient killing.

[@westsolon7480]

Excellent message, Kevin. people don’t realize actual events & aftermath This is not pleasant. I know, LEO/USMC

[@thomaspavelko9412]

Really comes down to doing the right thing to do or doing whats just good for you,no one will know you were armed and ran away. Speaking from the perspective of retired military, I'm really glad those that came before me we're more concerned about those around them then themselves.

[@paulis7319]

As more and more people are getting their concealed carry license, be extra careful not to shoot a legally armed person who’s already engaging the active shooter.

[@XX-166]

Easier said then done as neither are identifiable especially with tunnel vision. That’s the anomaly of taking a defensive action… you maybe assessed as a threat.

[@realjasondaniels]

Please make a follow up video where you talk about accomplices. What comes to mind is the Joseph Wilcox incident. A shooter entered a Walmart and began yelling and waving around a gun while his girlfriend accomplice followed about 15 yards behind, pretending to be just a normal person. She was his cover. So when Joseph, a good Samaritan, carrying concealed, drew his weapon and prepared to fire upon the male shooter, his female accomplice, executed Joseph, by shooting him in the head without him even knowing. John Lovell would say, “warrior poets should stop an active shooter,“ but you better have very little to lose, and really know how to assess the entire situation. This is why police officers don’t engage alone.

[@chrissmalley83]

Every now and again, a situation happens which changes the game. That was once such situation. With the benefit of hindsight, it is obvious to us that she was not a shopper. When shoppers were fleeing, she was following. The unprecedented nature is why it was not obvious to Wilcox. The shooters changed the game, and Wilcox paid a dear price to teach us the new rules.

[@jimmybare3026]

That was what you would expect from a Bonnie and Clyde incident. Joseph never knew she was there. A backup was the furthest thing from his mind. For this reason he was very telegraphic in his moves leaving no doubt about his intent which cost him his life. A true hero!

[@realjasondaniels]

@@chrissmalley83 I completely agree. I just rewatched the Active Self Protection channel's video on this incident (only 4 min). I wonder if I would have processed her following while everyone else was fleeing. It's pretty clear in the video, but I've never been in a gunfight so I don't know what happens to your thinking, especially if you don't have much training. Sad lesson about getting involved in 3rd party incidents. John Correa doesn't recommend it and it's not for me either. I don't have the strength or training to try an be a hero.

[@realjasondaniels]

@@jimmybare3026 I agree...a hero. I rewatched the Active Self Protection video covering the incident, and there was a time when the woman was in between her man and Joseph. She was following her man with a shopping cart and Joseph was following both of them. I don't know if I would have processed her following while everyone else was fleeing, while also trying to find cover, draw, and take a shot. It's a lot to process while under the stress of a gunfight, which I've never even experienced.

[@thisissparta8884]

@@realjasondaniels This really isn't a 3rd party incident. Its an active shooter. Meaning their main goal is to shoot as many as possible. You, your kids, wife, and anyone else. Without fear their is no courage brother.

[@michaelquillen2679]

I carry for self-defense...of me and mine. If I can avoid being in a gunfight, I will. If the active shooter is not an immediate threat to me, I will retreat (or take defensive cover). However, if the threat becomes too close to me, I will not hesitate to engage (but would prefer to do so from a defensive position).

[@joeb2526]

Comes down to whether or not you can live with yourself if you do nothing. The choice is yours.

[@joeb2526]

@thegunsngloryshow Absolutely!

[@buckhorncortez]

@The Guns N' Glory Show Well, I'm here to tell you that carrying a gun doesn't mean you have courage. You might want to rethink your personal values...

[@BigJon410]

If it's a child, handicapped person or senior citizen then engage otherwise escape and dial 911 when I am safe.

[@buckhorncortez]

@The Guns N' Glory Show No, you've made a statement in an Internet forum and think you look like a hero...

[@EnergyTRE]

end of the road for evil. ill not stand by and watch evil take a life. 🤟🇺🇸💯

[@maddmike6100]

Everyone who does decide to carry I believe should also be required to get proper TCCC training (Tactical Combat Casualty Control) because Even if you can't stop an attack YOU CAN HELP STOP THE BLEEDING AND ATTEMPT TO SAVE LIVES WHEN THE SMOKE CLEARS WITH PROPER TCCC TRAINING THAT GREATLY INCREASES THE ODDS OF BEING ABLE TO DO THAT REMEMBER THIS THE LIVES YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR VERY OWN OR SOMEONE YOU LOVE

[@geraldscott4302]

There is no way I could just run away and let people get killed. I saw limited combat in Desert Storm. I was shot at multiple times. I returned fire multiple times. I saw two guys in my unit get shot, one later died. When it happened I had no time to deal with emotions. I was otherwise occupied. When it was over I cried like a baby. But I could not allow that to happen until the need to protect myself and deal with the enemy was over. Anyone who has been in that situation knows exactly what it's like. When you are in a situation like that, you kind of go into a different state of mind. You forget about everything else and become hyper aware of what is going on, and the situation around you. You are 100% in that moment. At the time I was married with two young children. This might sound cold, but I never thought about them. I had a job to do, and every bit of my attention had to be on that job if I was going to survive. Once the situation is over, and assuming you survived, then there will be time to think and feel about other things. But in that moment, you use every bit of your training and experience to deal with the situation and wipe out everything else. Over three decades later I can still get emotional thinking about it. My kids are now grown, and I am a grandfather of three. Sadly I lost my wife to cancer.

[@scaleworksRC]

It's great that people practice shooting that mall drill from standing because it will make you that much better, but the actual guy was using a pillar to brace himself. Good advice!

[@dungdoan9830]

By god , if I have to use my firearms, but to protect my love ones and me then I have to do what needs to be done!

[@oklahomahank2378]

I am a lawyer. While I live in a pro self defense state I would have to be very sure there was no alternative before engaging unless the shooter was after me.

[@davek5027]

And I wouldn’t rely on USCCA to come to the rescue either.

[@reubenmorris487]

So, don't be a hero? Prioritize escaping the situation??

[@decadeyt5891]

yes

[@tonyromano6220]

Exactly, perfect answer.

[@tonyromano6220]

@@reubenmorris487 yes.

[@distantidentitymusic]

Great information

[@theslowwalker]

Two things answer what I will do. The first is an oath I took a long time ago. It starts "On my honor I'll do my best" and includes "helping other people at all times". And the injunction to "Be Prepared". Am I willing to risk myself to help others? I answered that question decades ago.

[@heyoldtime8969]

I look at it this way. In the cast of an active shooter my job is to exit to safety rather than engage the shooter. I'm not a police officer and I have no duty to engage. Now if I'm in a convenience store with no place to go I will engage and I will hit my target. I'm a good shot and I know the proper tactical response. But in today's world where good people end up in the slammer incurring a million dollars in legal fees. It's not worth it to save lives. A missed shot hitting an innocent person the civil suit could leave me homeless. No I would not engage.

[@heyoldtime8969]

Everyone is responsible for their own safety. Arm yourself and keep your head on a swivel.

[@yourdad4627]

You nailed it spot on 100%

[@niccosaur7778]

Sad

[@richcook2007]

The way it is now. Get myself and family and friends out and leave.

[@yokoshemp]

So very hard to say. Some fights are slow coming on and you can make "choices". Some fights are over before you figure out what is going on.

[@user60521123]

Actually, having a conceal weapon can enable a person to help others in risky situations, without engaging the killer. You can help people escape, render aid to the wounded, and give information to arriving police and paramedics. That was part of the motivation for me becoming a concealed carrier.

[@Vr4z1el]

How would you do that without making it seem like you are the shooter to the police? Having your gun drawn while doing all that is too risky and the police may mistake you for the shooter.

[@user60521123]

@@Vr4z1el I never wrote anything about drawing a weapon. I agree that you couldn’t help people while holding a firearm, and I certainly wouldn’t draw it if a threat hadn’t materialized in my presence. I also always carry concealed, and if police gave me commands once they arrive, I would follow them to the letter. If they suspect that I’m the shooter, I would call the USCCA.

[@user-sf4il5kd5k]

@@Vr4z1el chances are, by the time police get there, the shooting will likely be over because you either stopped the threat or will have helped people away from the threat and will be away from it as well. Life is not an action movie. If you are in a store and hear shots on the other side of the store, you more than likely will not be going from aisle to aisle playing seal team 6 to find the shooter unless you are trained to do so.

[@christopherkidwell9817]

@@user-sf4il5kd5k Except that training that the police get to do that is much less than most concealed carry holders get in the real world. They try to BS about "Our officers are HIGHWY TWAINED!" but in the real world? No, they usually are not trained very well.

[@Vr4z1el]

Alex I think your priority should be get yourself out of the situation and only use your gun if you absolutely have to. Like if the shooter is right near you and you know is coming for you. Then you save yourself and save others in the process. But I think other than that the scene will be too chaotic to know what to do that will help people. Unless you are in a situation like the Club Q and you see someone else fighting the shooter. Then you step in because you're right there. But I think priority the biggest help you can do is not become a target and immediately remove yourself from the situation. If you come across someone along the way help them run away with you. But dont stay in the scene longer than you have to.

[@danieljonhson6367]

I'm a desert storm combat veteran so I know what to do if I have to defend myself against someone shooting at me cover and concealment are your best friends and try to make your shots count because if you run out of ammo the bad guy isn't going to let e go pick up some more if fact it's probably going to be fairly difficult to reload while being shot at.

[@robertb9461]

Really depends on the situation. If I can make my way out without engaging then I'm out. If I have to fight my way out then so be it. But I'm not looking to fight or get in a shootout just because I carry. It's the last resort when MY(wife/family/friends) life is on the line.

[@newhorizon1355]

John Hurley did everything right engaged and neutralized an active shooter, but failed by leaving cover, didn't put his gun away in presence of cops, and sadly decided to pick up shooter's rifle. Remember cop don't know who shooter is.

[@sombra6153]

Excellent advice. Always worth remembering how in today’s society, mass murderers and serial killers are perversely treated as celebrities while a regular guy or gal who steps up to the plate to stop them is demonized. The most recent thing I read regarding a breakdown of what occurred at the Greenfield mall was that the armed citizen pushed his girlfriend out of the way, took cover, used support and fired four rounds from a distance of approximately 40 yards. Two hit the murderer and two missed. The armed citizen had to stop shooting because hysterical shoppers ran between his sights and the murderer. The armed citizen closed to about 25 yards and fired for more shots that hit the mark, then moved in to approximately 25 feet where he fired the last two rounds and the murderer was effectively no longer an imminent danger. So on the range, how many can, in 15 seconds drop behind cover at 40 yards and shoot four, the move to the 25 through obstacles to simulate tables, chairs,and runners to shoot another four, and then to about eight and a half yards to fire two? Remember 15 seconds.

[@notmyname3883]

He's an absolute rockstar hero, beyond all doubt. But............he's also VERY very lucky there wasn't another lawful concealed carrier on scene who thought he was the bad guy and shot him. That's my worst fear.

[@jhask64]

Agree. Who's who??

[@alexithymia6288]

If you're going to be at a mall or some other large and public place, I'd highly recommend purchasing and training on a backpack gun. My personal choice would be a Sig Rattler in .300BLK (these run just shy of $3k), but you can easily get it done with something like the CZ Scorpion Micro which costs 1/3 the price. Having something like this will make it infinitely easier to engage a threat at distances beyond the typical pistol effective range if need be. if that's what you decide you need to do, with the bonus (or detriment if you're not careful/aware) of .300BLK being able to go through thin cover that would normally stop something like 9mm.

[@NGMonocrom]

Hey, if you're in the military, they give you medals for ending the lives of individuals who wear a different uniform than yours. In the civilian world, they give you very long prison sentences for ending the life of a violent psycho. Some states actually make it illegal to shoot in defense of a 3rd party. Unless that 3rd party is a direct family member. Meaning, in an active shooter scenario, if you defend the strangers around you; you're going to prison! Even if you stayed legal, you still have to hire a very expensive lawyer to prove that fact in criminal court. Followed by hiring another lawyer to defend you when the guy's low-life family members sue you in civil court for literally everything you own because for some "brilliant" reason THAT is perfectly legal for them to do so. Even though they might be very happy that someone finally got rid of him for them. So have fun being a Homeless hero in a cardboard box, on top of dealing with the psychological trauma of having shot someone. Followed by the trauma of your wife leaving you and taking the children with her, when you need your family's support the most. Screw this Sheepdog fantasy. You are in charge of your own safety and that of your family. No one else's.

[@CIVILDEFENSEBUNKER]

Can't take out the lefts voter base....🤦

[@NGMonocrom]

@Zachary Paradee Yeah, keep believing that.

[@OpenMawProductions]

Yes. It is your duty as a citizen with arms to defend yourself, your fellow citizens, and your country. Not only is it your right, it is your responsibility.

[@kevindexter2788]

Very excellent video. I live in illinois and keep thinking about the mchenery shooter. I don’t have children of my own so I’m not worried about that. As for my family they will completely understand what I did if I happen to get killed. If it pertains to that specific encounter. Also I live by 3 schools and would not have an issue going to stop an active shooter when law enforcement is scared to do so. If I can go in and at least get the shooter pointing at me hopefully law enforcement would move in. Better my life taken than that of innocent children. There’s way too many scenarios to play out. I train for what I can and hope to never have to use it but will if it happens

[@IemonandIime]

you're gonna run into a school when there's a shooter? ok sure buddy lmao

[@kevindexter2788]

😂

[@kevindexter2788]

As a matter of fact yes I would considering i have family at the ones around me

[@jamesbell7220]

An outstanding video. Defensive pistol combat is unlike anything you can prepare for merely with practice at a static range. A few ideas. 1. Find a training organization that offers curriculum in defensive pistol combat. Hard to find, but there are some. 2. Find an outdoor range that hosts IDPA competition: evolutions for time and accuracy on complex stages requiring movement and target discrimination. 3. At a static range, use a timer, mix snap caps with live rounds in the mag, progressively move the target hanger out to distances that are difficult for you. A shot timer adds stress and stress acts against proficiency. Repeat, repeat and repeat until you gain inoculation against stress. 4. It is your first stress shot at distance against an active shooter that matters the most, so become proficient at it.

[@kb3mpx]

Great timing of this video posting !

[@stuartmarkman769]

At my age and in my physical condition, running away is not an option. I will certainly try too help someone in trouble but taking cover may not be an option either so I guess I just have too do the best that I can to stay alive and stop the threat.

[@8551-w5v]

If you're trained then without question you need to help the helpless and protect life, including your own. No one knows what they'll do unless they've trained accordingly. Work on all skills and marksmanship and do it with your heart rate elevated. My thoughts Sir.

[@billb8262]

I will never back down from an active shooter over fear of legal action for intervening. I’m saving lives until I’m unable in that situation where I have no choice but remain in the area because escaping isn’t possible first. I joined the military to defend and that sense of duty remains.

[@richardkluesek4301]

Depends on the jurisdiction, whether or not you are within the parameters of your credentials, and confidence in your ability and the sidearm you have against what the perp(s) are using. What are the other options and can you take any ?

[@mortykatz2236]

The other options are know where the exits are escape routes and lead as many away from the gunfire. Engage when the odds on success is very high

[@Ph4r4oh_444g]

I have a rule when it comes to active shooters “get myself family/friends and others out as safely as possible” if I end up facing the threat then it’s me and them 😡🔫 but I’m not going to go looking for the threat while I’m Ill equipped and don’t have a clue where the threats location is at.

[@mikehowell8983]

I wish more responsible citizens were willing to take on the responsibility of carrying a firearm. I walked into a walmart shortly after the El Paso shooting. I was carrying open and an elderly gentleman walked up to me and actually thanked me for being there. Now walmart is against open carry so I refuse to spend my money there.

[@thisissparta8884]

Open carry is not a smart decision.

[@DominusDionysos]

@SWFL Aerial Guy Hope your joking, Walmart prefers to let people steal enough until they can be charged with a felony rather than a misdemeanor.

[@markleach2177]

​@@SWFLAerialGuy😂 if you use self checkout you are still spending money..

[@TheLoneRanger745]

Thanks Kevin,. I'm be taking your class in my city end of Feb , about home defense !

[@letsgobrandon5800]

Yes, you should. I’d rather be judged by twelve than carried by six.

[@shawnwolfenbarker3327]

Before watching.... YES. If they're firing at random people. Absolutely 💯

[@timb8970]

Sadly, saving other people can easily result in a bunch of law suits. Even the bad guy’s family will almost certainly sue you!

[@martinezjames83]

If we are broke..sue for what? 🤣🤣🤣

[@johnw9190]

Standing back from the cover is a great tip. Thanks!

[@garyfrancisco7860]

I'd love to see a video about people with disabilities. I'm wheelchair bound, and wheelchair bound and it would be much easier for someone to use anything as deadly force, including their hands. I could use a video to help guide me a little. I love all your videos and have been a member for nearly a year. Keep up the good work

[@_Delta_P_]

you are going to have a much wider legal lane when it comes to self defense... not a lawyer but you have a lot on your side

[@danieljonhson6367]

I have to use a walker to get around so I know what you're talking about my only course of action is to fall down and try to roll behind something.

[@garyfrancisco7860]

@Delta-P That was my thought too. I know they do videos with a lawyer that I can't think of his name right now. I'd love to see a video of those two discussing in detail the ramifications, as well as actual cases where someone disabled had to use their firearm in self-defense, as well as the factors that determined the outcome of that case. I know I think it would make a good video, as well as others that are in a similar situation. I'm sure able-bodied people would find it interesting as well.

[@robertlorimer843]

I'm in a chair too. T10 paraplegic. And love the fact that I look not only harmless, but nothing like a threat to a bad guy. I will play that card all day, right until the bad guy takes his eyes off me. Then, bam, not harmless at all. In fact a great shot and extremely strong. But I'll play that crippled card for As long as it works!! And I've got nothing to lose.

[@geedubb2005]

Slump over and play dead if you can’t escape . Keep your hand on your firearm in your lap with your hand, hat or loose clothes over it. When I was in law enforcement and parked somewhere, I always placed my pistol in my lap under my Stetson hat and my hand on it. It wasn’t unusual for someone to walk up to my patrol car to chat. I worked near the border and lots of activity and I didn’t want to become a statistic. Wear a cap or keep a towel or something handy in case you need it to conceal what’s in your lap.

[@blackhillsrider2626]

This was one of your best videos to date. Solid advice.

[@pieman6178]

My biggest fear with engaging with an active shooter is not being shot by the shooter but being mistaken for the actual shooter by the police (or perhaps another Good Samaritan). If I was killed trying to save people then so be it, but I wouldn’t want to die an unnecessary death due to a genuine misunderstanding

[@elmateo77]

I'm more worried about having a nutso leftist DA decide I'm a bad guy for shooting the poor misunderstood mass murderer and convincing a woke jury to throw me in prison. I've seen how people who defend others are treated in America, no thanks...

[@MisterTVP]

The answer is and always will and should be a resounding YES!!!!

[@SuperUncleRyan]

Before even watching the video, I couldn't live with myself if I could have done something and did nothing.

[@SuperUncleRyan]

In fact, I live in fear of something happening and I can't help because I left my gun in my truck or something stupid like that.

[@roseblite6449]

@@SuperUncleRyan That's why I tend to carry even in areas that I'm not supposed to. "Gun Free Zone" sign, yeah a criminal isn't gonna obey a sign so why am I gonna disarm myself to make it easier on a criminal. My 86 yr old mom feels the same way, and yeah we live in Texas.

[@SuperUncleRyan]

@@johnny-brings-a-good-point I only care about God's judgement. As long as I feel I am staying within God's will, I'm fine with whatever "people" think. I'm no hero and I am certainly no superhero, but as a man who cares for my brother, I will continue to do whatever I can for him/her. People hate me because of my Christian values, but I can promise you one thing, I won't ever be the person hurting an innocent.

[@johnny-brings-a-good-point]

@@SuperUncleRyan Then I hope you get a good lawyer when or if the time comes.

[@SuperUncleRyan]

@@johnny-brings-a-good-point In the state of Florida, even as a third party, you can use deadly force to stop the commission of a forcible felony. Not something I ever want to have to do. But it would be like driving a water truck by a house fire and not stopping.

[@SteveJarek]

I think a big part of the decision to engage or not, is if you’re cornered, or if your exit is blocked. If I can get out safely, I’m out of there, no questions asked. If the threat is blocking the exit, then the decision is made for me.

[@Couzo1010]

I was watching this with hopes you said after successful stopping a mass shooter, are you charged in any way? Say I was in a market and a armed man comes in a starts shooting people. I'm down in cover, I peek out and have a clear shot on the active shooter, he just killed 5 or so people, I draw and stop the threat. He's down, I kick his weapon. I holster mine. I'm on the phone with police dispatch informing them that the threat is down. What happens next?

[@oklahomahank2378]

The police come, arrest you, handcuff you, and put you in a car until they figure it out. If you are lucky.

[@Redbloodroadrunner]

As a family man with 3 kids, my highest priority is to get MY family (my most important priority) out and to safety. Anything in my way going that route will be dealt with accordingly. The people who depend on me want me alive with them, not trying to be a hero for others, because let’s face it, the survivors don’t pay my families bills if I go down.

[@deranathonarkantos6712]

Don’t forget the difference between Cover: something that is going to protect you from incoming bullets, and Concealment: something that hides you from the threat’s line of sight, but may not stop even one bullet.

[@andytorre4858]

It’s gonna be hard to defend ourselves after they take all the pew’s away! Welcome to Australia! Thanks Brandon 👍🏼

[@frankbeardsley2941]

Impossible to take them all.

[@LazyHorse_]

No escape for me. If I die it's because I was meant to be there and my family will benefit from my life insurance policy. I work in an elementary school so even without my otherwise carried and concealed weapon which I cannot bring to my job, I will not run away from any harm. I was wiling to give my life when I joined to serve my country and our freedoms overseas. I will certainly do the same right here at home.

[@justthetip5534]

I say yes. If you have a chance to end that kind of threat AND are willing to, you try to stop them with everything you've got

[@rolozo]

I have always heard the phrase ‘shoot to kill’ especially if the intruder is in your home. ‘Don’t just try to wound him’ I’d like to know your opinion and the specifics on wounding versus killing, when defending myself or others. Thank you. Jeff B in Los Angeles

[@williamjonas4013]

IN THE IDEAL WORLD OF THE FOUNDERS' AMERICA IT IS A CITIZEN'S DUTY AND OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE SANCTITY OF LIFE , THAT YOU DO ANYTHING YOU CAN IF YOU CAN TO SAVE THE LIVES OF OTHERS . NO MATTER WHAT EVEN AGAINST AN ARMED ASSAILANT IF YOU CAN. SHORT OF LOSING YOUR OWN .

[@kad3e3]

But this in this political climate, especially depending on the state/county, that’s not easy to do in some cases. In Multnomah county Oregon, the DA will throw you in jail. Then the civil lawsuits, and how the local media will react. I’m beginning to think it may not be worth it. Unless I have no other choice.

[@markmonse5285]

Another factor in addition to "beware of the trailing accomplice" (previous Vegas Walmart shooting) is to consider what could happen when LEOs actually arrive on-scene. Will you then be considered a "perp" or Good Samaritan??

[@oldguy3378]

1. Is your family safe? 2. Do you have a good shot?

[@BigJon410]

And do I have the right target not an another innocent CCW holder and when the police arrive make sure my gun is holstered.

[@Ricovette]

You can take out an active shooter and have done everything by the book, but remember... You are going to be sued by the bad guy if he survives or by the bad guy's family if he dies. Your life will be turned upside down by this lawsuit making you wish, at times, you had been shot instead. You will be damned if you do and damned if you don't. Think about that... Putting yourself and your family through a lawsuit can be emotionally devastating! Dirtbags have too many rights these days...Is your peace of mind worth it? Stay safe... Rico

[@kastooMcFry]

Thanks for that solid advice. I understand that it is preferred to escape, hide and defend - in that order. Not sure what I'd do in that situation, and hope to never have to find out. I may help people get away into safety when possible. To make long shots while adrenaline is running is likely a challenge for me (possibly most), unless you're trained to do so like a LEO or active military.

[@derrickewing99]

You better be awesome with that pistol you are accountable for the bullets that comes out

[@alijaffery7735]

If I'm out and about with my family and an active shooter situation happens, then my first focus is on moving my family to safety. If I can get them out without being targeted, or find a safe place to hide, I'm out of there/hiding/barracading and getting gun out at the ready in case that changes. If at any point I find that moving them to safety will not be possible without engaging the shooter or if the shooter is moving towards us, then I'll engage.

[@reb1050]

I carry, but I have never had the desire to go in like a knight in shining armor to save the damsels in distress. Many, many years ago, it was not uncommon to see people become the Good Samaritan and help others. But in these times, often you will find yourself condemned, sued, or even charged with a crime...assuming you survive the altercation. You may even be targeted by the friends or family of the one you confronted. Now, if it is not an immediate threat to my family members or myself, I'm outta there.

[@cx3268]

Is it your business or will it directly involve you - then YES! If its just an armed robbery, be a good witness. Being a CCW does not make you a cop!

[@hillbillygunnut3357]

I carry everywhere than I can do so legally. Always assessing my surroundings to get an idea of what I would do if something goes sideways and the number of shooters is unknown. My question is about other good guys who have the same idea in an active shooter situation, stopping the bad guy. I’m not on a hunting trip, just trying to fight my way to the door so I can go home to my family. I don’t want to mistake an armed good guy for a bad guy, but I can’t trust anyone who isn’t within arm’s reach of me. How would we recognize each other and communicate to stop the threat?

[@codyforsythe3952]

Very well said. That is a tough decision everyone needs to make for themselves. As for me, my goal is to get my family to safety. In that moment I'll be looking for exits and if the threat appears, I'll take appropriate action. But that's not why I carry. If I'm alone, it'll have to be case by case.

[@tomcleave308]

Hopefully you haven't just saved my life and very important information whether you carry or not! Thanks

[@CH-vv2hr]

Running is probably your best bet... but you should still be carrying. That is why hip carry is the best. It allows you to run full speed and have quick access to your gun just in case.

[@jamesdelong6401]

It's most definitely! A tough choice to make if and when that day comes. I myself and my thoughts on that. I will NOT know and can't say right now what I would do now. Until that day, witch I 🙏 NEVER comes.

[@averilramsey7241]

Great advice, Sir. Kombatt is Kombatt, on the battlefield and on the boulevard.

[@fiery.mercaba]

This was so good! I cannot tell how often I have thought about what if I were ever in such a horrific situation. One of my first combat actions would likely be launching some pepperballs or pepper+tear-gas mix projectiles from my Byrna launcher to where the homicidal assailant is, for, whether the projectiles strike him/her directly or not, the chemical powder will nonetheless spread through the air, & once this is inhaled, the assailant will be so distracted & considerably diminished by coughing, difficulty breathing, burning eyes, etc, that I would be able to more easily, if need be, close the distance, &/or make the shots I would need to make that servant of Satan would be incapable of harming anyone else. Enough instances of bloodthirsty murderers just showing up to shoot, or to stab, or to hack, or to bludgeon, or to otherwise viciously attack people exists to make it wise to have a thought of, "What if....?" Thanks for the insightful & honest information, friend.

[@michaelrains2268]

If one seriously considered possible scenarios and risk waiting for multiple police officers with backup , radios and vehicles is probably the optimal choice. Many things quickly can deteriorate up to and including loss of life / permanently disabled. Choose wisely!

[@garybonz]

Remember, disengaging/escaping does not preclude re-engaging on your terms.

[@raftika1]

If the “justice” system wasn’t so difficult to navigate I would definitely step in on an active shooter if I knew 100% that it was an active shooter randomly killing people. My first thought will be to escape and make sure all my loved ones do the same. I’m only engaging if the threat is stopping me and my loved ones from escaping