I Asked Massad Ayoob About Saying Nothing

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[@lostpyper6973]

I love his final point. Carrying doesn’t make you a Superman. If your head isn’t in the right place, and you can’t control your emotions under stress, you are potentially a danger to yourself and others. Keeping cool can keep you from even having to “defend your actions “

[@guitchess]

In short, the brief fight for your life with your weapon won't be nearly as scary, dangerous, or drawn out as the following battle. You took them out of the loop by protecting yourself. So they now have to punish you with their unlimited resources.

[@s0nnyburnett]

Gunfight was just the warmup for the real arena of legal quagmire.

[@bearly1727]

Sad but true in most cases. Generally NOT where I live though.

[@bodozier6952]

Just like hunting, the work starts after the shots are fired

[@texasbeast239]

You have to have that same fighting instinct about more than just the violent incident. Self-righteous indignation. Determination not to go down like a wuss, because you were not the bad guy.

[@georgealicea2978]

So let me get this straight. You kill a perp who has a history of robbery & other crimes, and now they want to make you the criminal. Sounds like they trying to railroad you and make themselves look like heroes, by framing you. That's why you say nothing, except" where the fock is my lawyer"

[@beagles70]

After listening to all this--Now i can understand why lawyers advise saying nothing until you speak to lawyer. Simple.

[@elmospasco5558]

You got folks up in Linesville, PA?

[@MrEazyE357]

You didn't get it before? I'm hoping you're a kid or something.

[@tacattac534]

In reply to Jeff Beagle: YEP!

[@mikehascats26]

there is NO advantage to talking to cops. shut up and lawyer up

[@matterbob5x]

@@mikehascats26 There is an advantage, but you have to be careful what you say..

[@pbp6741]

1. Establish the active dynamic 2. Reinforce active dynamic: I will testify against him 3. Point out evidence 4. Point out witnesses 5. Officer, you will have my full cooperation after I’ve spoken with counsel

[@shane727]

This should be pinned

[@lucasoparowski6911]

I think rather than I will fully cooperate say that is my only statement until I speak with counsel

[@PlanktoniusRex]

I understand the list he gave and agree but have a question: what if several or even one of the witnesses you point out are friends of the perp? I mean if witnesses lie to damage your case that cant be good. Just for discussion...should there be guidelines for what one should think about before pointing out a witness?

[@2bituser569]

Char Char Binks To fully cooperate does not mean you incriminate yourself.

[@Morggin]

@@PlanktoniusRex That witness is going to testify against you anyway. Better to point him out where he stands and it will be recorded in the officers duty camera so he doesn't come back and say he was someplace else on the scene.

[@MegaMAWG]

My CCL instructor said the process begins with the 911 call. Anything you say to them can also be used against you. Just tell them there's been a firearm incident, please send police. Call your attorney while they're in route, and if your attorney has a call service, don't say anything to them because they are not protected by attorney/client privilege. If you can get your attorney on the phone before police arrive, he/she can guide you exactly what to say or not say.

[@zerohero6602]

Solid advice

[@jessicagrecco5813]

Fantastic advice indeed

[@TristanRivers-lz4wv]

And your attorney will tell you to invoke the 5th and say nothing every single time.

[@douggerber7781]

Be the first to call 911, Identify yourself as the victim, then say I'll wait for my lawyer.

[@davidpierce9065]

Anything you say can and WILL be used AGAINST you in a court of law. And we all know how honest our court systems is.

[@jonb2046]

This is certainly true. You have to balance that with "How bad can the responding officer make this for you if you piss him off by being rude?" The more I learn the more questions I have.

[@conorfoster2337]

That's exactly why you need to be able to articulate the situation. Silence will be used against you as well.

[@davidpierce9065]

@@papimaximus95 Cops are not your friend. Law enforcement officers, are enforcers. Speaking to LEO's is likely going to be frustrating and not diplomatic. Talking to armed enforcers who are confrontational ( the nature of their occupation ) and trained to be aggressive, and not trained to be diplomatic could escalate the situation. They have disarmed you and you are not able to protect yourself. They will shoot you if you say the wrong thing, or get frustrated.

[@davidpierce9065]

@Mary Smith let me guess... you subscribe to the theory that if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. A notion that encourages the dismal of civil rights.

[@Wr3ckZ]

@@conorfoster2337 A lawyer can defend your silence, easier than your mistaken admission of guilt.

[@magnanimus9692]

To review: 1) Establish the active dynamic (i.e. you are the victim and acted in self defense) 2) Confirm dynamic ("I will testify against him") 3) Point out the evidence 4) Point out the witnesses 5) "You will have my full cooperation after I have spoken with counsel" and now shut up

[@gblargg]

I've heard that making the 911 call establishes you as the complainant (i.e. victim).

[@UncleTerry]

@@gblargg Make that call before any of the perps do too. as soon as possible!

[@ourcorrectopinions6824]

Parts of #1, and all of 2, 3, 4 and 5 are no-gos. Basically say “he/she” did this (in one sentence or less), then "I’d like to speak to my attorney." End of story.

[@herewardthewatchful1014]

@@ourcorrectopinions6824 - I agree with that statement expect #3. In the rare scenario that a perp tosses their weapon over a picket fence or some other obstacle out of sight, it's in you best immediate interest to have it found and secured by Investigators.

[@tobyschmoll2792]

To me it seems that 1 and 4 are the only ones you would want to open your mouth for as the others would be subjective beyond lawyering up

[@JoshuaFinancialPL]

unfortunately it seems like perpetrators have more rights than victims in our justice system. i'll take my chances being silent and talking with my attorney first.

[@gregfalco4528]

Well the perp is already dead, and the cops want someone to arrest. Cops LOVE arresting people.

[@mihaeltomasovic]

@@Morggin You have never been in a physically demanding situation like that, have you, my friend? Have you ever been in combat or even something like a fist fight or something? Do you remember how you felt after that and can you even remember how you felt during? By saying "of sound mind" - I think the gentleman was merely saying relaxed and calm. I agree, though, that not being "of sound mind" does sound bad, though. I think the person put it wrong, my friend, but just consider that.

[@Morggin]

@@mihaeltomasovic to answer your question. Yes, I have and all I have to say is when things get hard, be hard.

[@mihaeltomasovic]

@@Morggin Just out of curiosity - you don't notice your entire sympathetic nervous system going crazy in those times? The adrenaline doesn't make you say or do some things that you might not in regular circumstances? I just think perhaps some are effected this way, so if it applies to them, it might be good to do their best to remember to stick only with what was said in the video there. For folks like yourself, I don't think you would have to worry about it. I am a combat vet, but I never got used to it or comfortable, so I better try to keep the advice if possible as well lol. Anyhow, nice having the chance of discussing this with you. Have a great day :) . .

[@shawnr771]

@Fafhrd 2 A few years ago the Virginia State Police pulled a guy over who had several rifles, shotguns, pistols, ammo, a knife and a map of Washington D.C. with an X on the White House. After seeing all of this the cops said "Yup you are good to go" Two weeks later the guy drove to the White House. Left behind everything but the knife. Jumped the fence ran across the grounds, entered the front door, knocked the Secret Service agent at the door down and ran around inside the White House for a little while.

[@Stimpys_Daddy]

The former detective who did my CCW class said if you say nothing at all, then all they can do is take you to booking. Saying just enought get's you to an interview room instead.

[@mattpkp]

exactly

[@seanmcdaniel6818]

@@thebubbacontinuum2645 THIS is the key point of the entire argument. Ayoob is playing checkers, trying to curry favor with the cops on scene and avoid being booked. Stop playing checkers, play chess. You will probably get booked, then bailed, then you can talk to your lawyer. The risk of destroying your case in the hopes of avoiding a night in jail is a ridiculous argument.

[@phillhuddleston9445]

@@thebubbacontinuum2645 That is probably because they were guilty and were caught in a lie, if you have not broken any laws and only state the very basics that are true and will come out anyway with a lawyer present you can not be tripped up on a lie. If you are going to talk think before speaking, the meaning of every word matters. The important thing is to not say too much.

[@2bituser569]

Morggin Who are you?

[@whogivesafuification]

@@2bituser569 The clown of the day

[@mason3307]

"Anything you say can and will be used AGAINST you." Not for you. Also Being mute does not envoke your fifth amendment. You must state you envoke it.

[@timothyclyne]

Even invoking your 5th, you answer ANY questioning afterwards, you reliquished your 5th protections for that line of questioning. Those answers are admissible. God help you, if it's the questioning officers hand written notes of what you 'said'.

[@RealDapperDude]

Thirty years Los Angeles DA: It's not enough to say I"m invoking the 5th. You must say, "I want my lawyer present before answering any questions". The interrogation must stop. Any continued questioning that gets a response is inadmissible.

[@timothyclyne]

Bravo Being mute is admissible if you have not invoked your rights.

[@timothyclyne]

Bravo Being mute is admissible if you have not invoked your rights. www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/salinas-v-texas/

[@timothyclyne]

@Tom Gulbranson you are wrong. Mason is correct. You must invoke your right to remain silent. www.justia.com/criminal/procedure/miranda-rights/right-to-silence/ You are wrong. And likewise wrong to use appeal to authority argument, which is a fallacious argument en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

[@randallwebber9781]

The back of the uscca card has those exact steps in order, and after I've followed those I will repeat the last step over and over...."Officer I will cooperate 100% but first I need my attorney" SILENCE.

[@Numguk]

I wouldn't even bother saying you'll cooperate, as now you're making promises you don't intend to keep.

[@calvinlong1265]

What I was told to say, "I'm going to cooperate, but I want my attorney present before I answer any questions".

[@calvinlong1265]

@bali song thanks!

[@oldsuitman7762]

He missed his calling as a bass singer

[@wannabecarguy]

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[@jjacksonjr2]

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[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I wanted to take LFI 1 in 2004 & LFI 2 in 2008 but $$$ & schedule problems prevented it. Ayoob has been around years!!! More CCW users, armed officers need to learn about him.

[@JaredHIll13]

Ppl cpme from all around just to hear me get low on the mow mow...

[@timothyclyne]

His calling was law enforcement officer.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

With all due respect to Massad, who I continue to respect, I disagree for several reasons based upon my representing people in gun cases for the past 26 years. I'd be happy to have a friendly round table discussion on the issue!

[@ASPextra]

I would love to get you two in the same room!!!

[@WAGNERONE1978]

How many of your gun cases where the Shooter had an open carry permit and was truly defending his Home after someone broke in with a crowbar and you the permit carrying Homeowner with an impeccable military and Civilian career did you lose. Or simply your win vs loss record? With all due respect your statement isn't a specific statement but could be legally a generalization.

[@MarcVictorAttorneyForFreedom]

@@WAGNERONE1978 Every case is unique. There is too much here for a short answer. Feel free to contact the firm and set a time for us to discuss your question in detail. Thanks!

[@timothyclyne]

@@ourcorrectopinions6824 Massad Ayoob is a former police officer, in fact retired Police Captain. Take his advice to speak with police to your own peril. His assertion that invoking your 5th is grounds for suspicion, is unconstitutional. ... Can I search? No. Well that gives me reasonable suspicion for a warrant to search. It does not work like that.

[@timothyclyne]

@@ourcorrectopinions6824 your assumption is wrong. I fully understood that you don't agree with retired Police Captain Ayoob's reasoning. I supported your previous assertion with vital omitted and very relevant information Massad Ayoob was a police officer for nearly three decades.

[@BellDavidE]

Thanks for recording this! People will agree or disagree and each will have to make that personal decision, but I applaud you for having Ayoob defend his position.

[@bearly1727]

My CCW Instructor, a County Sheriffs Deputy, told us to just repeat "I had to stop the attack". But I like the statement that "Officer you will have my complete cooperation after I have spoken with council", that really sets the stage in my opinion.

[@GS-cx6hv]

...so you stopped the attack by killing the victim you were attacking? I guess that's one way.

[@bearly1727]

@@GS-cx6hv Pull your head out of your ask.

[@GS-cx6hv]

​@@bearly1727 but then how will you hear me when my head is out, but yours is still firmly lodged in?

[@bearly1727]

@@GS-cx6hv LOL no one cares to hear you.

[@mrmd4734]

Counsel

[@timothysherrange]

You should have a round table discussion on this topic with Massad, Marc, and Terry.

[@ASPextra]

It would be awesome but it’s hard to get them all together.

[@timothysherrange]

@@ASPextra For sure. Maybe a video call?

[@beefyoso]

@@timothysherrange not enough money.

[@timothyclyne]

Massad is a retired police officer...

[@Markomyt1]

@@ASPextra ZOOM it Brother!

[@soujrnr]

Massad is the MAN! I love to listen to his instructions on things. Talk about real-world smarts; he's the epitome of that in the world of carrying a weapon and such. Thank you, John, for this great interview. This is great information to know!!

[@franksaxton3583]

I am former Military and have held a CHL in numerous States for most of my life. I am now 75 years old. I train often and it is very high quality training. I am also a motorcycle Biker and frequently go to seminars to learn how to interact with police during traffic stops. I've also attended a few "adjudicator" training courses where you experience real life examples of shoot/no-shoot situations. Still, having to shoot someone in civilian life and dealing with the aftermath is something I don't look forward to. This was a very valuable video for me and I wish all my NRA course participants spent time watching clips like these. Great job and thanks!

[@HickLif3]

From my experience, the absolute first thing I would say to do is put your hands in the air when they arrive and show that you are unarmed, say "I was attacked", the attacker is over here, and the weapon I used is here. From the very start it shows you are cooperative and not trying to hide anything. Also when you call 911, don't say "I just killed someone", say basically the same thing "I was attacked, I acted in self defense, please send an ambulance" It shows you don't want the attacker to die and you weren't meaning to kill them but to stop them.

[@HickLif3]

@bali song i was just telling my experience with it. That’s exactly what I did when I shot an attacker dead on my front porch and I only spent one night in the police department and except for maybe a hour of being handcuffed to a table the rest if the time was in interview rooms telling what happened. No charges were ever placed. No bail. No nothing. The only issue I had was it took almost 3 years to get my gun back.

[@andrewvida3829]

Not at all certain that I would stick around for the cops to show. You plug someone and have no idea whether his friends are close by. If I can get out of dodge, I'm gone. If my lawyer instructs me to turn myself in, that is what I do. I am under no obligation to further endanger myself for the sake of making the job of police easier. Keeping myself alive, is.

[@skagenpige88]

@@andrewvida3829 While I agree you dont have to risk your life, saying his friends might be close by is really weak if he could have survived if you got him an ambulance.

[@chasen62]

Just remember- This is advice from someone with a LAW ENFORCEMENT background.. Remember a large part of their job is devoted to EXTRACTING information from people to be used AGAINST (their words) them. To hear both sides, make sure you listen to LEGAL experts that are faced with defending/prosecuting people every day.

[@giii7599]

Never say a word to cops. EVER. The cops today simply cannot be trusted. Law Enforcement isn't what it once was.

[@mrdclark2003]

Exactly!!!

[@gmcjetpilot]

You think Massad is trying to trick you? Ha ha. He is a highly respected expert in self-defense and a professional witness and you know more than he does? What he's saying is besides saying " I fear for my life so I shot him" you should go a little bit beyond that if appropriate. Like they were breaking down my door, there were two of them and one got away. Then you say I'm not going to speak anymore. I'm in shock but later I will fully cooperate. If you play belligerent and the one got away goes to Police and says you murdered his friend, that is the narrative and you stay silent? Get your story out then shut up.

[@chasen62]

@@gmcjetpilot trying to decipher your English but yes, I am saying he is (admittedly) not a legal expert and his advice should be taken as such ..

[@robertvondarth1730]

Correct

[@T.E.P.]

wonderful video and enjoy sharing this info .. thanks for this EXTRA channel

[@ASPextra]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@alessandromatteo8365]

Two guys I could sit and talk ,mainly listen to for days .... LOVE YOUR CHANNEL MR C.. PLEASE KEEP US INFORMED..

[@Uberragen21]

Just remember: The police are _NOT_ your friends when they arrive on scene. They are _NOT_ there to congratulate you on a good defensive shoot. They are _NOT_ going to take your word as the _truth_ . (Psst, criminals lie...) They _ARE_ trained in manipulating people into a potentially bad statement (it helps their case). They _ARE_ there to investigate a crime, of which you appear to be the perpetrator. They _ARE_ going to arrest you regardless of how perfectly within the law your self defense shooting was. There are exceptions of course, but be prepared to go in handcuffs. Lawyer up and shut up. If you say anything it needs to be VERY SIMPLE. "He attacked me." "I feared for my life and I defended myself and family." "I need time to process what happened." "I WILL help with your investigation, but I MUST speak with a lawyer first." I think that was along the lines of what Ayoob said, but he drug it out in more detail than I would ever do. The more you add to the equation, the more complex it becomes, and the greater the chance something potentially incriminating is said. I'm certainly not an expert, but I have worked in the CJ field for a few years...and I slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night. 😉

[@drewe9514]

Coming from a family of lawyers, more likes on this comment!

[@digiwolff]

I agree with your comment. The only part I ask for clarification on is if cops are trained to manipulate you into a "bad statement." If by bad you mean INCRIMINATING and FACTUALLY CORRECT then I'll agree. But it's of no use to anyone to coerce false statements.

[@johnbravo1034]

Good info👍

[@johnbravo1034]

gwolff but some do coerce false statements. Read “You Have the Right to Remain Innocent”.

[@robio1963]

@Kurt Haithcox Exactly. Nothing you will be used for you, because it is hearsay. I recall during the George Zimmerman trial the detective said under redirect that he thought George Zimmerman was telling the truth. The prosecution did not object until the following morning, and when they did the Judge sustained it and told the jury to disregard the detective's remarks. Nancy Grace was going ballistic on TV saying the prosecutors were incompetent for allowing the jury to think about that obvious hearsay statement overnight. And of course, she was right.

[@isellcatlitter]

i bookmarked this video and plan on watching it at least once everyday until i have it memorized.

[@nmr6988]

Me too.

[@n.r.8719]

Lots to memorize in a 12 minute video...

[@ZAKish-cy9xu]

a lot of good information to be learned, thank you for sharing.

[@ASPextra]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jeanmorin3247]

Very very helpful! Thank You!

[@curtwhite876]

Thank you Pom for sponsoring this channel. I carry Pom OC spray every day. I was proud during training over the weekend when the instructor asked what non-lethal tools the students had, I held up my Pom and looked around to realize that I was the only one.

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

Love to hear more from Mr Ayoob!!

[@rockslide4802]

Excellent advice from people who know that they are talking about. Thanks Mass!

[@nicholasreeber1648]

Thanks for this interview!

[@bungalowmo]

WOW!!! This was really great to know. Good things to help, should the circumstances arise. Not too much, but just some main points to let the cops know of your intent to assist, but also not more than they need to hear, or more than you need to say. I've been keeping a binder of key things learned here on Extra, and ASP original. I hear it, I write it, I say it out loud. It helps me retain info.

[@gscop1683]

I know it is tough to do in a short video, but one issue with the "limited statement" given to responding officers is That You Cannot Stop The Officer's Questions while you are giving your story.....and I think that is why a lot of good defense attorneys counsel for you to say nothing. Telling a story to officials is a Learned Skill Set. Thanks For Your Great Work !

[@prestfeldt]

This is so important, thanks so much for sharing!

[@gregoryoshea1999]

I appreciate the information and the reasoning behind it. Thank you!

[@Colt-ii4qn]

As long and as respected as this man is I would’ve thought he would never give this kind of advice he is not an attorney and it shows , make a brief statement and shut your mouth and talk to your lawyer , my God 😳

[@ASPextra]

That's exactly what he said to do.

[@danduran4981]

Do not make statements!

[@Colt-ii4qn]

@@ASPextra he needs to stay in his lane , not a lawyer

[@romans6two338]

I agree, this guy isn't a lawyer and the advice he is giving is horrible. My personal lawyer who I have paid before said this to me if I'm ever in that situation. Shut up and don't make any statements and remain silent. This guy and his so called expert advice is crazy talk.

[@yourshootingbuddy]

Maas is so knowledgeable and packed through and through with good, no great advice. Both of you are true Patriots.

[@w4ame]

Much respect Mas. Thank you for sharing your insights.

[@mariolofaro8330]

Great points and info!

[@Plaintext11]

While I agree with the sentiment I can't get over the fact that I need to make sure I tell the police enough to make sure the "Professionals" personal bias is satisfied to the point that he can function in an unbiased "professional" manner

[@MiaogisTeas]

It's not a personal bias, it's a professional one. As a teacher, I don't believe everything a kid tells me about what happens at their home, or why their homework looks like it was written by mommy. It's not that I don't trust the kid, I just know that it's human nature to protect oneself and one's ego - just as your comment suggests, actually.

[@gripboyjo.c9330]

Still wont say anything without a lawyer present.

[@1972glm]

Agreed. I think that in a perfect world, Mas's advice isn't necessarily bad, and if you reasonably think you can follow it---go for it. But I just think it's real easy to start talking but not stop talking. Especially since cops are trained to get info from suspects and do so by pushing for it and/or appearing to be you friend. But it's not their job to be your friend. They want to get the "bad guy", and you maybe the BG to them. Also I don't trust them not to try and twist my words and screw me later. It happens all the time. I think the danger of overtalking is more than the danger of undertalking. Of course Mas would say that his method is just the right amount, but it's a gamble. I guess it's up to every individual. Now just shutting up immediately, eh I think you can say something to the effect "he tried to kill me, he had a gun/knife/pipe, and I defended myself" then shut up from there.

[@gripboyjo.c9330]

@@1972glm agreed. I'd say. Here's the body. There's the gun. I need my lawyer.

[@loslosbaby]

Bad guys can paint a picture and you won't be in it wearing a good guy hat.

[@NikoBellaKhouf]

@@1972glm even if the best cop in the world showed up and he was your actual friend, he could still unintentionally misinterpret what you say and it'll be used against you later.

[@joeds3775]

Another fool that ignores the expert.

[@geoattoronto]

I Really appreciate this one!

[@mdfogarty]

Good on you for giving Massad Ayoob time on your channel. A wise friend pointed me in his direction back around 1990 when I was taking an interest in self-defense. He's the real deal.

[@noneyour2461]

Thanks John for going straight to the well for this lifesaving drink of knowledge. Massad brings not only years of experience but also common sense to help us all better cover our ASP

[@shane727]

What are cops told to do when they're involved in a shooting? I think we should do that.

[@Scientist_Salarian]

They ask for their union rep. Police Unions are far more powerful and connected than defense attorneys, unfortunately.

[@JK-vc7ie]

@@Scientist_Salarian Fortunately, not unfortunately. Cops risk it all for us for very little money. They deserve more.

[@parler8698]

Public pressure gets them fired for no reason.

[@johnbyrne1022]

It's a good starting point, but there is one big difference between them and you: their colleagues are *not trying* to get them locked up. They're trying to find ways to get them off the hook. .So all they have to do is avoid saying anything incriminating, and it will generally be interpreted in the most favorable light. You can't assume that they'll interpret your actions in the same light.

[@psychodadandjfit3974]

@J K. WRONG. Their job isn’t even in the top ten if dangerous jobs. They should be held to the highest standards. They should be severely punished for indiscretions. You’re either a cop or very naive.

[@davidtrindle6473]

Great job, both of you. Thanks.

[@thejohnstonzoo]

So good. Thank you

[@RaineyPowerTraining]

I understand where Massad's thought process is coming from. Though in actual practice the likelihood of someone saying what he recommended versus self incriminating themselves seems to be very risky. You are already in compromised mental state after a shooting, yet you have the ability to coherently explain the situation rationally? I think very few people would be able to do so safely, without incriminating themselves. I think it's best to say nothing.

[@danduran4981]

Agreed. You are more likely to say something that will be detrimental to your case then helpful. We are not lawyers and certainly not competent to navigate the legal realm of giving a statement or answering questions without counsel.

[@musicman1eanda]

A conversation between attorney Marc Victor and Ayoob would be fantastic!

[@romans6two338]

That would be an extremely useful briefing.

[@HFVidShotz]

Excellent. Thank you.

[@chrisboyd1408]

Thank you for this enlightning video he certainly makes very good points especially about shell casings & evidence being moved or destroyed and the lengthy time between the incident and the trial.

[@danconatser8699]

Been watching your videos for years, and they are great. But now that you have had Mas on your channel, you have a new subscriber. Today, there are way too many videos about tacticool gear and zombie toys. So your channel is a refreshing change. Took my first class with Mas over 20 yrs ago. Mas is absolutely the best trainer ever, and I still have all my notes. EVERYONE with a CCW permit should be REQUIRED to take his class, or at least watch every Mas video you can find. and yes, his videos from the 1980s are still being reposted. Plus, buy and read all his books!

[@phyl1283]

I suspect that Ayoob has been a very valuable associate in formulating what a cop should say to an internal affairs "investigation" but I wouldn't trust him to give me advice of how to protect myself as a citizen from giving statements to police at the scene of a crime or at a interrogation after the event happened. He knows what the police want and they know how to get it from a person who is accused of a crime, even if they have to lie, intimidate and threaten the perp. It's better to have someone beside you during any communication who can tell you to shut up because he realizes what the police are trying to get you to say and what its effect will be at trial. What the police want is self-incriminating statements that can be used to put you away...or worse. They have no sympathy for someone who will say something inadvisably that will result in him being shut away for a long time or for the remainder of his life, or even if the statement was not true as interpreted. The police if not your buddy. They are your accuser, your jailer and your punisher even if they lie to get you to talk. NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE. it won't help you at trial.

[@Wr3ckZ]

As much as I honor and respect Mr Ayoob's knowledge, and experience, My lawyer, (a former sheriff), has explained to me, that even the police don't make their documented statements for up to two weeks after a shooting. And they get coached on how to 'articulate' everything. His response and training for me has been: "be polite, but simply state you want to press charges, then politely explain you'll be glad to answer any further questions under counsel. ... Then shut up." Let me add this: I'm a union steward, and I've had to 'represent' workers at my job much the sane way. And even WE coach people to simply request their Weingarten rights, and shut up too. I too, have personal experience with people innocently saying even ONE fact that the investigator/supervisor tried to twist, making my job harder. I can defend a lack of words, and politeness, more times than not, than a missed/botched detail later. And... we all know how conveniently shoddy those body cams are. Anyways, I'll take my risks with being quiet, over trusting an officer to do his job right/working in my favor. "It's his job, but my right."

[@Athonite]

Thanks for the counterpoints.

[@danni1993]

I agree. I've watched videos of Officers, Lawyers, and Judges getting pulled over and they don't say anything. Even when they get pulled over for driving intoxicated, most often, they will refuse a breathalyzer or take a field sobriety test. Do they know something we don't know? I want to know why they refuse. If a Defence Attorney says "don't talk"...I will listen to him.

[@kys00ner1]

Anyone that’s ever been questioned/interrogated knows not to say a word.

[@hav2win]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 What a fking ignorant statement. Why would he be invited for an interview? And why would people be impressed that he took the time to give his opinion. You're the one who's the blowhard.

[@Uberragen21]

@@rifleshooterchannel208 I wouldn't say he is a _blowhard with zero credibility_ . That's somewhat inaccurate to say. If you said he was an expert in shooting techniques, but not legal stuff surrounding the aftermath of a shooting. You would be more accurate. Ayoob isn't a lawyer, he's a shooting expert. His advice was questionable. The more you talk, the more you incriminate yourself...even if you didn't do anything wrong. That's where I disagreed with his assessment of dealing with law enforcement after a shooting. He had some points that made sense on the surface, but I still would relay that information through a lawyer.

[@macEboy]

More Mass!!! please. So much to learn from him. A great teacher. Thanks

[@robertfeldbruegge6694]

Really good advice. Thank you.

[@bradmason8334]

Love this dude, Mass has been setting us straight for years 💪, reminds me of my uncle.

[@thomasjensen6243]

Your uncle is a lawyer?

[@Ericktrivedipa]

As an attorney, its to hard to give advice that at least keeps all your defenses open wo knowing a specific fact pattern. For example, if the government can’t make its case, then saying nothing is the right answer. Personally, if I were in a defensive situation, it would be important for the police to know you were afraid and took the most reasonable course of action you could come up with. Ayoob knows what he’s doing but I don’t think this advice can be applied universally.

[@ASPextra]

I think he gives principles and not a script, and for that, I think it has value.

[@travelinman482]

@@ASPextra Why are y’all at a church talking about guns?

[@Vergoso_42]

@@travelinman482 why not?

[@travelinman482]

@@Vergoso_42 Um, Jesus was against ‘living by the sword’ (aka the modern day AR rifle).

[@travelinman482]

@What saith the scripture? Keep lying to yourself.

[@hoosierplowboy5299]

Awesome video, John! Thanks to you and Massad!!!

[@ASPextra]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@eballest7]

Thanks for the advice!

[@newerest1]

Mr Ayoob is such a legend. John is on his way too.

[@vector7818]

Honestly, I think they're both badasses 😁

[@pescatoralpursuit1726]

Hope John never NDs into a range line roof in front of a crowd. Love Ayoob for decades but oof.

[@yoyo762]

A legendary idiot.

[@todsimpkins8908]

@@yoyo762 yes,., yes you are.

[@JamesJamersonIsAGod]

I think Mass is telling us what he would do and framing it as what we should do. I don't think he realizes the difference between us and him. The guy is a professional orator with many decades of experience as an expert witness, firearms instructor, and police officer. He's well spoken, and extremely seasoned and intelligent. But as humans we are terrible judges of other people's knowledge versus our own, and this is a blindspot for everyone, including him. He is pulling from experience of particular cases he was involved with and thinking "ahh it would have been easier for this guy if he had done xyz at the scene!" but then not ALSO thinking about "hmmm, what if he talked more and said THIS, then he'd be FUGGED". You can be cooperative without saying a darn thing, don't be belligerent with the cops, listen to their verbal commands and enjoy your free ride downtown for questioning with consul present.

[@klaykid117]

All he has to do is show his badge to get off a self defense charge

[@BasedBidoof]

Thanks for making this video, very wise

[@armedrealtorakasheepdog6914]

Always impressed by his knowledge

[@MAACotton]

Pass. I'll be polite, I'll be courteous, but I will say as little as humanly possible to cops.

[@kichigaisensei]

A living legend. If your attacker is dead, you can't say "I"ll testify against him". Dead men don't go to trial.

[@wilfdarr]

It establishes that you weren't trying to kill him and once he stopped attacking you stopped shooting, using what you believed to be appropriate force.

[@sc666666]

Sometimes it’s not obvious they are dead. I would think you911 call also request Medical.

[@kichigaisensei]

@@sc666666 Agreed.

[@WHITEBOYSICK]

Good to see you two together!

[@gklein4054]

Thank You Professor!

[@bstimy]

I’ll follow legal advice

[@petergunn1701]

So you're calling your attorney before you call 911?

[@bstimy]

Peter Mahoney um, no. The legal advice I’ve been given is call 911 first. Tell them certain needed info, hang up. Call attorney.

[@immikeurnot]

@@petergunn1701 As Ben said, immediately after.

[@rcvtacticalandfirearmsinst9107]

1). Call 911- it’s recording while ringing - keep your mouth shut 2). Once they answer - give name -location - you were ATTACKED - Yiunwere FORCED to defend yourself- you need 2 ambulances (minimum- 1 for you and 1 for bad guy) - you need the police - HANG UP if safe to do so - immediately call your attorney 3) once police arrive - ID yourself - If firearm is used advise what direction you fired- that way they can make sure no innocents have been hit and need medical attention. 4) politely advise them that you will be more than happy to cooperate with investigation and answer any and all questions......once you have met with your attorney - INVOKE YOUR RIGHTS!! Everyone has the right to remain silent most don’t have the ability. It’s a natural reaction to explain or defend their actions. This is NOT the time or place for that.

[@freedomluvr5126]

Massad Ayoob is an expert on guns and gun fighting and I will listen to every word he says on that subject. Period. But I will not listen to legal advice from someone who has never defended a shooting case in court. How many attorneys have you heard that said, "I could have gotten him off if he had kept his mouth shut!" A non-attorney cannot know what things will be taken out of context and twisted to be used against you by an ambitious DA. Do you trust police to remember exactly what you said and how you said it? And the most important of all, TALKING TO THE POLICE CAN'T HELP YOU! Nothing you say can be used FOR you in court! It's all hearsay! And who does he think he is, saying that somebody who panics after a gun fight should not be carrying a gun? I wouldn't want to know somebody who WASN'T shaken up after a gun fight.

[@ASPextra]

Mas is a court appointed expert witness who has been on litigation team for hundreds of actual litigations and helped hundreds of real people defend their life in court.

[@freedomluvr5126]

@@ASPextra That's interesting to know, but he is an expert witness, not an attorney. Big difference.

[@Morggin]

@@thebubbacontinuum2645 so ... you're a lawyer. How much did your law school teach you specifically about "Deadly Force law"? Did they teach you about the doctrine of competing harms/doctrine of necessity? Are you familiar with the concept of "An Affirmative Defense"? I suggest you take one of LFI courses. Massad will teach more about deadly force than you will ever learn at law school.

[@marctrundle1416]

@@ASPextra Are you also aware that he has been impeached on the witness stand while testifying in court as a witness? He was made a fool of while involved in court room testimony against the FBI years ago. Many of his articles written for the gun rags, "The Ayoob Files", were largely fabricated and less than factual. This plus his self enamored behavior of which I am personally aware of, leave me less than impressed. He does do a great job of marketing himself though!

[@Rubycon99]

@@marctrundle1416 Where can I read about this case? I read "FBI" and immediately think "scumbags", but I'd be interested in knowing the whole story.

[@mgallager1449]

Good advice once again 👍

[@sealevelbear]

Outstanding!

[@lonwoock9881]

Don’t talk to police without an attorney.

[@Trail-of-dead]

Don’t talk to police even with your lawyer, let them do their job

[@adamchurvis1]

@@Trail-of-dead Wisest words yet, Trail of Dead. Bravo!

[@timothyclyne]

Massad Ayoob is a police officer.

[@jondavidivey]

@@Trail-of-dead Absolutely right. I've had expert witnesses like him who have been around so many lawyers they start thinking they know as much or more than a lawyer. Get a good experienced lawyer and let them do their job.

[@MrMinagua]

1) Prosecutor not gonna badger me on the stand unless my lawyer wants him to. 2) According to Marc (Attorneys for Freedom on your channel) if the prosecution does try to imply that I’m guilty to the jury for seeking council, then the charges could be dropped. I’d like to see this guy watch Marcs video on your channel and tell us what he disagrees with. This guy is recommending the use verbal judo on the police at the scene of a homicide where I’m the suspect. No thank you. I’ll play the long game.

[@seankennedy4284]

Verbal judo, indeed. I don't understand why this advice. Seems he's trying to have a trial right then and there.

[@gmcjetpilot]

Have you changed your opinion since Kyle Rittenhouse trial? You assumed the DEA in the prosecutor are super friendly to 2nd Amendment folks killing criminals and self-defense? That's a foolish promise.

[@dabprod]

Excellent advice. I'll remember that and hope I never have to use it. Thanks to you both for the video.

[@johnkelley2615]

Priceless information period. Thanks ASP

[@richradillo8085]

It’s amazing and also outrageous of the amount of Steps and training and guidance good civilians take to defend themselves in the aftermath of a shooting but But criminals don’t think twice about any laws. Their mind fit is get what you want by any means necessary. Now they’re wearing body armor to do robberies and mass shootings and Civilians get punished with stricter gun laws

[@tjwright]

I was taught "I was in fear for my life, I want to talk to my lawyer" is the only thing you say. I like Mas's more in depth tutorial here.

[@ASPextra]

Yeah, that statement isn't magic words for sure.

[@codemonkeymojo]

I disagree with Massad on this. The Police don't decide your fate. The Prosecutor, Judge and Jury do. IMO you're better off lawyering up than saying something to convince the Police on scene you're innocent. It's not really their opinion that matters. By saying things to them you could hurt the opinions of those people who DO matter.

[@darrellhamner4608]

Got to remember Massad is talking from cops' perspective as he is (was?) one

[@firedrake7179]

Why, because you need MORE ways to incriminate yourself?

[@seanmcdaniel6818]

@@codemonkeymojo Ding ding ding. The cops never decide to prosecute, the DA,AG does. Focus on the long game, not making friends. Terrible advice.

[@nickmiller4430]

Massad Ayoob is nothing but pure class, character, wisdom, and knowledge. Thank you both, Mr. Correia and Mr. Ayoob. Keep fighting the good fight!

[@mariasantana6861]

Excellent !!!

[@mlee81]

I do know this. Detectives are trained at interrogation which includes manipulative tactics. As the shooter, you are the primary suspect. Their primary motivation is getting a conviction which may or not lead to the truth. They can lie about having 'evidence' to scare you into making a false statement and saying something stupid that isn't even true. Agreed to be the first one to call 911, mention there's been a defensive shooting, and fully comply with getting arrested having the gun on the ground and hands in the air upon arrival. Probably after an incident, there will be too many emotions to say anything calculated. Just let them know you want to execute the right to remain silent and need representation from an attorney. Being 'cooperative' doesn't mean blabbing away to them and exerting your right to counsel doesn't make you guilty. My thoughts on this anyways.

[@zionkid28]

Again some wise advise from a true expert and master.

[@jamespisano1164]

Mass has the best input. Excellent. Thanks for the info.

[@klorglork6917]

Great to see Ayoob is still in the fight. Great advice

[@BackPackHack]

I don't see anything in a Miranda script about anything you say will be used for your defense. It's called a Miranda WARNING for a reason.

[@Morggin]

@Nerf Zombie maybe you haven't seen that cops now have to wear a body camera.

[@Morggin]

@Nerf Zombie so are you intimately familiar with the use of force laws then? What's your stance on Affirmative defense as it relates to the use of force shootings? Have you also heard of the doctrine of competing harms or the doctrine of necessity? (they are the same thing just different terms used in different states). Are you familiar with the Bernhard Getz case? I believe as many others do that Bernhard Getz's biggest mistake is going to a guilty man's lawyer. A lawyer that is famous for getting guilty men off the hook. I honestly believe it's because of his choice of lawyers that Bernhard had to spend almost a year on Rikers Island.

[@richb.4374]

Exactly! They tell you anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you in a court of law. The deck is already stacked against you before you even go to court.

[@GS-cx6hv]

@@richb.4374 the word you should have highlighted is against.........notice nothing about anything you say might help you? That's cause it won't

[@Edgy01]

Thanks for uploading this for us to see. Another issue that wasn't discussed is obvious to us, but just not covered. Your concealed carry permit. CCW permit holders are some of the most lawful citizens in the country. They break the laws LESS than LE. The arriving LE personnel need to be told, and reinforced, that you have a lawful concealed weapon, and that you had a serious threat and you had to deal with it. You will cooperate in any way necessary, but wish to seek guidance from your attorney.

[@stanleysourelis5104]

I really like the concise statement you advise someone to make.

[@steve8189]

VERY consistent with what you teach all the time John - have a plan!

[@donavonlewis1039]

Man... this has to be my favorite advice.... more of this!!!

[@TRONMAGNUM2099]

Sorry but I'm keeping my mouth shut and calling an attorney and leaving it that.

[@seanmcdaniel6818]

Smart

[@yoyo762]

Now THAT is expert advice. Unlike moron Ayoob.

[@glenncaswell9062]

Think twice Tron. AN attorney may get you a divorce lawyer or real estate attorney. Mas has been involved in more self defense shooting cases than.most attorneys that specilize the the field and all of those that don't (99+%)

[@yoyo762]

@@glenncaswell9062 Think 3 times, glen. His advice is the advice of ALL criminal defense attorneys and I'll take their advice over this droning self proclaimed expert any day.

[@NikoBellaKhouf]

@@glenncaswell9062 how dumb do you have to be to get a real estate attorney to handle your criminal defense case?

[@andym1594]

Great advice. Great advice Don't rely on cops or others to note witnesses and scene correctly. use that camera as a passive device to capture what is there and what went down... w/out disturbing the evidence.

[@rs-bi8yf]

Thank you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Bdady74]

Great video!

[@ASPextra]

Thanks!

[@heathersullivan7294]

As a woman I really appreciate your videos, I’ve been wanting to get a concealed carry license, but need training before I feel comfortable carrying. I have learned so much from you, I’m looking forward to more hands on training, but in the meantime I’ll be watching all ads to show my support of all the effort you put into your videos :) Thank you so much!!

[@rogeryarnell1826]

I know that cops don't say anything until they talk to counsel, sometimes days later. But they will also have every cop for miles around coming to the scene gathering evidence on their behalf and working from the assumption that they are the good guy.

[@rogeryarnell1826]

@Scott Allen that's what I meant. I agree with Ayoob's points. The cops have a lot going for them before the investigation begins. They are assumed to be the good guy before the first investigator arrives on scene. Regular citizens don't get the same benefit.

[@timothyclyne]

Massad Ayoob is a police officer.

[@mikehagan4320]

Outstanding Video!!!

[@blackriflemensorganization6139]

The legend! Much respect to Mr. Ayoob!

[@elgato7134]

Great content. I train with a five-time champion for SASS, and his advice is very similar. Cooperate with the officer on scene. Your statement should be: 'I was forced to shoot because...' Point out evidence on scene. Make no further comments. Great advice.

[@timothyclyne]

Massad Ayoob is a police officer.

[@jimbopurple2652]

Make it as easy as possible for your lawyer say nothing.

[@joeashbubemma]

1. Establish active dynamic. What did he do to FORCE you to defend yourself. 2. Reinforce. Make yourself the victim. "I will testify against him". 3. Point out the evidence. 4. Point out the witnesses. 5. Shut up. You will have my full cooperation after I consult with my attorney.

[@Dmanz67]

Miss the first 4 steps, all of them can be easily contradicted, twisted and used against you. Say nothing.

[@NHlocal]

Thank you Mas and John for sharing this video. I say ditto!!! to a few of the other comments on (somehow) getting Mas, Terry and Marc all together for a conversation on this subject. That would be a great video! Thank you again Mas and John! 😃👍 Keep yourselves safe! Randy

[@brianb6603]

Excellent as usual!!! Extra excellent!

[@ASPextra]

Thank you! Cheers!