Should you study, work, or raise your family in China? We share our stories

[@CarlZha]

Yes, yes and yes! good to see Daniel and Ben colab!!!

[@dice138]

野生捕獲Carl Zha😁😁😁😁

[@JawJaw-dt7se]

你啥时候也加入进来 我急了

[@ahpong]

Conversation spot on by Carl Zha.

[@davidb9013]

Now we just need Daniel, Ben and Carl!!!

[@charlielou2280]

@@davidb9013 yes, yes and yes! that's three amingoes would make a perfect show

[@patriotoverseas]

Thank you, thank you and thank you Dan and Ben. I am a 70+ year old overseas Chinese and you are two of my favorite KZbinrs.

[@DanielDumbrill]

Thank you so much for your kind words and support

[@Aam-xy9vd]

I am a 70 year old American, Ben Norton & Daniel Dumbrill are two of MY favorite KZbinrs.

[@soccerjazz2022]

Thank you both, gentlemen, for talking me in the life and opportunities of China, for escaping the horrible west (from The Netherlands) 🤗

[@曾林-k7q]

我不知道國外的華人是怎樣的，有一部分很愛祖國，有一部分極端仇視中國誹謗污衊中國，國際網絡裡面的很多誹謗中國的新聞都是出自這些華人，我很費解，為什麼出去以後非要誹謗自己的祖國？是為了融入當地所以這樣說嗎？求教

[@ruchengpeng8122]

​@@曾林-k7q 皈依者的虔诚吧

[@dehua-2730]

My kid goes to a local kindergarten in the outskirts of Shanghai and it's the best thing we can choose. It's amazing and beyond affordable, the amount of care and education they get for as little as 30-50 USD per month is beyond my comprehension. If you check international kindergarten you would pay as much as 5000 USD per month and I doubt the services they provide is any better than local kindergartens. That's like 100 times more expensive. At the local kindergarten we have a community app that reports all activities from the kid entering the kindergarten to play times, lunch etc. and leaving the place by swiping a card that you can see on the APP. These international kindergarten and schools are rip offs that local Chinese are willing to pay for the status to brag.

[@derrychen6923]

as a local in shanghai, local school is very much close to private school here, so there is no need to go private

[@allowedme]

Here in the US people are sending their children to a private school to get away from Black and brown.

[@jasonyeh787]

Partly it's similar to the luxury goods effects. Learning English and being able to speak beautiful American English have been considered by the generations of 60's and 70's to be as kind of elites status. That view, however, has become less the case by 90's and 00's. American English will be dethroned gradually as did the British English, as younger Chinese are becoming more upbeat about their system.

[@曾林-k7q]

正確，有一部分中國富人就是多花錢顯得自己與眾不同

[@derrychen6923]

@@曾林-k7q 中国的教育系统里，其实优秀的老师基本都在公立系统里，因为去了私立系统，其实就等于离开系统

[@ubermenschen3636]

@ 0:42 , Daniel has 5 children , owns and operates a small business, plus produces KZbin videos. This dude is Superman.

[@LW78321]

He's certainly inspirational ❤

[@jasonyeh787]

And flying to Xinjiang and HK occasionally...

[@UnrecycleRubdish]

He also has massive biceps 💪💪

[@vaNessaaBlack]

I'm sure he has a wife that helps with all of that!

[@ChrisZ901]

​@@vaNessaaBlackno he gave birth to all 5 of his children /s

[@chloecroad]

One thing needs to be notice and remember as foreigners, the strongest relationship between Chinese people are classmates, once they studied together they bond as buddies in life. You will never ended lonely if you have classmates friends. They call this is the purest relationship.

[@robertwang7825]

I have lived in China for over 20 years. Made reasonable $ exporting goods. The growth , improvement, safety, infrastructure, cashless economy, communication, public transport, cleanliness, connectivity, services, cost of living, green cities, EVs , cheap everything ( electronics, furniture,clothes, food, taxis, services ) etc are just world class! Although my son decided to live in Toronto for his career , he still enjoys coming back every year. I have options to live in several countries but I will stay in China , it’s a no brainer.

[@sun-groupecommunications1331]

good but cashless is only acceptable in a socialist country, not in a capitalist globalist WEF type economy who they want you to eat bugs.

[@ubermenschen3636]

China is a great place to raise children: low crime rate, no mass shooting, no drug culture, conservative values that emphasise education, hard work, respect for elders, parents, teachers, custom, and law. Family, team work, and harmony have brought peace, prosperity, and progress in China.

[@HasnaaAlaa]

None of what you mentioned are "conservative values" these are just normal values most people who don't live under a hyper capitalist society naturally have, china is great because of the communist party, china under a capitalist imperial government failed before, under the communist party it thrived, it has nothing to do with culture, it's the economy stupid! They have a socialist system that incentivizes adding value to society rather than accumulating capital, they punish corruption, they are not ruled by corporation, capital owners are controlled by the government not the other way around, their goal is common prosperity and they value ethnic diversity and personal freedom, the party is atheists who don't impose or fund churches, mosques, temples etc.. u r free to worship whoever you want or not at all, there's a real separation between religion and state, they're Marxists, they always think in a materialist way of analysis, you're free to love whoever u want, no matter what your gender, sexuality, ethnicity etc.. there's no discrimination under the law, abortion is legal and very accessable, conservatives claim china is conservative because they don't know anything, china is ruled by a COMMUNIST PARTY!

[@HasnaaAlaa]

They have "DEI" for ethnic minorities, they get a 100 extra points on their exam scores just for being a minority, conservative would hate it there lmao

[@thucduyen9592]

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[@aww7056]

Agree . Only thing is that its always busy / sea of people the moment you step out of your home . It can be overwelming or stressfull compare with the western environment, where you can drive quietly around on a sunday .

[@aesop1451]

No Jews.

[@MLF-kq8ut]

Packing my bags now. Really appreciate the open conversations on this channel.

[@fannyalbi9040]

tiktok refugee?

[@dstr1]

​@@fannyalbi9040after the red note experience they start looking on more Chinese programming.

[@ingridyichen2631]

'overly stressful' is collective delusion. I went through Gaokao myself. It was a bit stressful, but not unbearable. My high school finished 5pm, and I went to yoga class in the evenings often. Don't know abt others, but for me international schools are purely wasting time. You could have learnt hundreds of times more during teenage years in public school. Also in public schools there are students from all backgrounds, but in international schools kids are all super rich. I still remember one of my public school teacher was from rural area and his family grew peach. He took us to his peach peach land during summer to harvest peach. Good memory

[@HoSiva]

The situation varies across the country and time. There are indeed many schools that will keep their students studying late till 9 or even 10pm. Physical exercises and PE classes are cut short and replaced with testings and more study time. DIfferent people handle pressure differently, too. Some kids simply can't take it but there's little to none mental support. There really needs to be a more balanced approach to the education system and hopefully with a dwindling population and better economic support, the competition won't be as fierce as now.

[@UnrecycleRubdish]

Loll peach peach land! 🍑🍑

[@oktober06]

I wonder if education outside of the school system would be an option in China?

[@kahn2441]

@@oktober06 I don't understand what you mean by "outside of the school system". Usually it only refers to two things, one is kindergarten and the other is private college. If you mean these, of course, it is an option. But other than that, almost all schools are in the "system", just with different status in the system.

[@eriktan9654]

@@oktober06if you mean homeschool, it's technically illegal for not going to elementary and middle school as China has the Nine Year Obligated Education, which will be enforced and helped by the authorities to make sure the kid in the age will be in the school.

[@winterchill5501]

Refreshing to listen to Ben in a conversational setting. Thanks for being more active on YT lately Daniel, love to hear insights from you guys living IN China instead of the so-called China experts on msm!

[@BillKort-xo8nj]

Calling what they have in China censorship is a bit misleading; particularly to Westerners. I've been in China since 2006 and I've never felt that the Chinese government is manipulating me; trying to mislead or hide from me information. Rather, my sense is that the government is seeking stability: what the Chinese commonly call: harmony, and what is harmful to social harmony is "censored". A primary result, which every foreigner comments on is public safety. In the West, censorship is manipulation. It has one function, to mislead, deceive, hoodwink, etc., the public.

[@delltellegen5646]

Very well put.❤

[@inception727]

Chinese people are pretty based, the government won't need to keep pushing manufactured consent. Average American and mass media in America are caught in this vicious relationship, which people are becoming less and less capable thinking critically, while the massive media keeps pushing narrowed narrative. This will eventually be the death for common Americans and American dream , a detachment from reality .the media are afraid to tell the common people the truth , I foreseen revolution

[@JWscandi]

i concur absolutely! in the west u don't even realise u r under severe censorship and distortion of facts!

[@naavevans5546]

Very good point! It is technically censorship but that isn't inherently a bad thing the way Americans think it is. They're also trying to protect their citizens from US and others propaganda (which also isn't inherently bad but US propaganda is horrible)

[@BillKort-xo8nj]

@naavevans5546 Yes. Agree.

[@MeetYourCows]

Ben's pronunciation of 中华民族 at 14:39 is shockingly good - the tones are perfect. Learning Chinese has definitely not been pushed too far down his priority list as he claims, haha. Thank you as always.

[@katemc516]

Another thing you missed about the school system Daniel is that, a large part of the collective consciousness among the Chinese is formed by their experience through the school system, shared textbooks, struggles, world views etc

[@geneee3168]

My two favorite KZbinrs. Thank you. I was never on TikTok but now on Xiaohongshu.

[@LW78321]

Same here 😊

[@opheliaelesse]

Want to. And will ❤

[@jasonyeh787]

TT is okay, but there seems to be too many negativities compared to its Chinese counterpart, Douyin.

[@PhiloSurfer]

Ditto and ditto.

[@danicoleb5394]

Same. I feel like I'm on vacation every time I hop onto Xiaohongshu.

[@maggiema2777]

Love Daniel and Ben together for amazing analysis in terms of geopolitics and life in China. The moment when my 13 years old daughter told me she saw her classmates using weed in school in UK I said it is the time to go home, luckily I taught her Chinese myself when we were in UK but like Daniel said we still have to send her to international school here in Beijing which is pricey, because there is no way she can go to public school anymore after studying in Uk for 10 years, she is doing really well after living in China for a year and half, she might go back to Uk for University but I know she will be a completely different person after 5 years of studying and living in China, those Confucius influences will be with her forever 😊

[@shineluvslambiel]

So why are you still thinking of sending her to the UK for university? So her kids when it's their turn to go to school can keep hanging out with the druggies?

[@pablochan1023]

We came back to China 2 years ago and my kids are studying in public school, try to search help wit chinese overseas office or something like that, that help overseas chinese to relocated their kids in public school, even if they have foreign passport. For example my kids have 5 years visa for their study. So try to search information. Good luck.

[@maggiema2777]

@Thank you, I think depends on the age, if kids are quite young it is definitely possible to study in public school which can help them to build solid foundation of Chinese and math, unfortunately my daughter was 13 when we came back so go to public middle school is a little bit overwhelming for her, I am teaching her HSK Chinese just in case she needs it for Chinese university!

[@antwango]

13 yr old using weed!!!! come on!!!

[@antwango]

naaah try and convince her to uni in china.... uni in the UK is overrated and the bigger ones are even more overrated

[@PL22-JudgeDredd]

I notice that Ben's pronunciation of Mandarin is perfect. He has overcomed the pronunciation hurdle. With practice in conversation, he will be fluent in less than a year.

[@csgs2301]

Chinese girl living in Vancouver. Great talk! Both of you guys are my favourite....

[@TheBoujiman]

Interesting... what makes you prefer Canada?

[@willchu]

I'm a Chinese guy living in Vancouver.

[@csgs2301]

@@TheBoujiman Because we were brain washed by all kinds of western media that the West is the Best! and it's totally a joke, lol...

[@TheBoujiman]

@@csgs2301 ok, have you thought about going back then? Which province are you from?

[@csgs2301]

@@TheBoujiman Not only me, a lot of Chinese immigrants start to think about going back, and how to go back.

[@darrell4982]

Great content Daniel. Like yourself, I’m Canadian and moved here in 2009 but my reason was to have a successful retirement. Perhaps one day you could examine the concept of retirement to China, Cheers!

[@davidchou1675]

Yep -- retirement is the most "realistic" path for most folks...but very little actionable information on that!

[@disaffectedgenxer8354]

I would be interested in learning more

[@alanchanhongkong]

@@davidchou1675 Oh, that's what most Canadians are doing now.. My parents are happy retiring in China and we have no wish to go back to Canada.. Canada is not what it was decades ago.

[@allards]

We’re trying to retire in China, but it seems there’s no path without studying, working, or starting a business. We’d love to live there and eventually leave our wealth to Chinese organisations dedicated to restoring Chinese nature and wildlife after we pass away!

[@LuisA-pi3ds]

​@@allardsits actually easier than you think, just contact an accountant in the city you want to live in and open a company, its very cheap to mantain and you dont really have to do any business but you can open a small shop or whatever and let someone run it, dont make money but you will have a visa

[@davidwu2893]

The Chinese people trust most are soldier and policemen！ Any questions or helps you need, you can reach out them!!!

[@panyaboonc5621]

In the U$, Kanena and Engdia. Policemen are most like gangers. When you see them best is to avoid them. Especially if you are Asian.

[@JIMMY-nz1ld]

That's what they supposed to do helping and protecting the nation.

[@Rottenfish18]

Chinese soldiersis also called people’s children or siblings soldiers. Basically it means family soldiers.

[@troutstalker7855]

I luv the Daniel dumbrill show, and its good to see ben norton in a relaxed and casual setting.

[@myintmaunmaun]

Prices in China are very livable

[@antwango]

found out definitively from xiaohongshu! im trying to find a way of working there without teaching frikking english

[@Infodawg2012]

Fantastic conversation from two really brilliant guys.

[@charlielou2280]

Hi Fellow Canadian Daniel and Ben, i'm living in Kelowna, BC, Canada and have been following you both for a long time now. Awesome to see you sitting together conversing about experiences in China. Thanks for sharing your knowledge to us here it helps western audiences to see a different side of China rather through the Western Media lenses. Enjoy your work

[@dreamdream773]

My daughter holds a AUS passport and studies at a public school in Kunming, Yunnan. We were prepared to pay some fees but were told it is free of charge 😊

[@davidb9013]

I'm based in Chengdu. My daughter attends a local private elementary school attached to a uni. I'm very happy with the change in law with regards to evening schools a few years ago. Since my daughter is mixed, she was immersed in Putonghua and the local dialect which I feel helps her to develop a firm identity, one that she might not question (too much) as she gets older. With regards to homework, at grade two, it's certainly more than what I hear from others attending more international schools but they are supported very well, surprisingly holistically and it's a collective experience in the sense that, they can share this common experience with others in their class, school and more so in the society. If a child falls behind, the teachers take on a great responsibility in helping the child and the parents to bring that child up to the median level. My views have shifted greatly over the years and can truly appreciate the system more now.

[@AnnieT369]

Inside China Business has a very good video on the quality of Chinese universities.

[@kirbyhuang5609]

加油💪世界加油💪祖国加油💪

[@採菊绚麗]

Thank you Ben and Daniel for your very interesting and educational interview.

[@appleapple6053]

Chinese in California here. I enjoy both of your YT and learn a lot from you guys. Thank you!

[@jiangcui5769]

Thanks! Ben, I am your fans 😊😊❤❤

[@DanielDumbrill]

Thanks for your support!

[@halfdropofink]

Great to see you two, have a nice day!

[@fenxian]

Canada media are talking days about TikTok ban, without mention anything about TikTok refuge on Xiaohongshu. Isn't this censorship?

[@Aam-xy9vd]

The censorship here is very subtle. That legacy media won't talk about the Tik Tok refugees clamoring towards 'Red Note' is a perfect example of that

[@JJ-uo9tj]

It's called biased media.

[@leahlee8291]

It must so hard for them to admit that China is more attractive than US and Canada nowadays.

[@fenxian]

@Aam-xy9vd Not just that. Since 2008, year of Olympic, all media won't miss a dozen of demonstration against CCP, outrageously not report 5000 Chinese students demonstration right in front of Ottawa parliament, plus many other worldwide in major city. China still allow use paid VPN access the social platform. Let's see US will allow.

[@fenxian]

@Aam-xy9vd China still allow use VPN access youtube, Facebook, Google, etc. It's example too.

[@harveybarke8643]

Great content Daniel. I’m a New Zealand Chinese based in Guangzhou. Hope to meet and chat with you one day over a beer.

[@joylove8693]

Great to see you two on the show together ❤❤👍👍

[@jtang8768]

the observation of grannies yelling at policemen is so true and funny 😀

[@leahlee8291]

Seniors in China have such a high status and well respected that they sometimes abuse their privilege and become public nuisance.

[@6yikannatuna308]

I've been following Ben's YT channel. Great discussion👍

[@yoshimansxl]

Well I'm ready for my next job in China and put my languages and stats skills to use.

[@BreZ-jx7gf]

中国欢迎你，可还是要善意的提醒，中国不是一个移民国家，在过去的75年，仅仅有不到1000人获得中国国籍。当然没有中国国籍不影响你在中国工作，但到一个陌生的国家工作还是会遇到很多意料之外的困难。 虽然中国物价便宜，很适合居住，但因为中国人口多，工作竞争压力很大，这些都是需要你提前考虑的事情。所以建议可以先来中国旅游或者短期居住，了解中国之后再决定是否来工作。 最后，祝你开心

[@sirens7421]

I'm planning to study abroad for a semester in the fall. If I get into the program, I wilk definitely go. I'm pretty excited 😊

[@zibiz]

Brilliant sit down, enjoyed it a lot. Thanks guys

[@lavendereucalyptus3225]

What a great informative in-depth conversation. Love this combo Daniel + Ben. 👍🙏

[@davidbosak7503]

Fascinating conversation! Thanks, guys!

[@serenam4490]

Thank you Dan & Ben, love ❤you guys.

[@henryng9406]

My warmest thanks to both of you. Can't appreciate your hard work enough. 👍👍👍👍❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@shuedward7618]

Very insight of China. Thanks for your sharing!!great!

[@thisiskevin1000]

Interesting to see Ben there. Thanks for the update 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@Lilian-de3jq]

A very good show and hope more people will see it. Especially the young people from the US, it is never be late to open your eyes, your ears and your mind. The shock you got from Xiao Hong Shu is just a morning call, you should take a quick start for yourself now as China is really moving fast.......

[@hengguanlye6303]

Many does not understand between homeless & being poor. Mostly puts them in the same group but it's different

[@notreallyici]

If you are homeless you are definitely poor, but if you're poor you aren't necessarily homeless. One is slightly better for sure.

[@Neuvari]

this need more views laaa, great content guys

[@bluestans]

Awesome show guys! Really happy to see two of my favorite content creaters / political commentators sitting together and share options. Thank you for the great work on the sane voice in today's crazy world. Speaking of encouraging Americans and Canadians to visit China, have you guys heard that Canadian govt has put out this dramatic travel advisory to people intend to go to China, which includes armed bandit attacks, sex crimes on public transportations and so on besides those classic Xinjiang and Tibet fictions. Idk what kind of intel the Canadian govt is getting from, now Chinese (in Canada and mainlamdChina) rednoters are cracking jokes about it and no longer take Canadian govt seriously. That one surely backfired.

[@hkkyt8963]

great duo

[@yenphung8809]

Good discussion Gentlemen!

[@marke4640]

Thanks so much for this very interesting talk!

[@jdn42y11]

I’m getting the hell out of the U.S. as soon as I can!

[@panyaboonc5621]

Why? I just watched Trump's inauguration speech and he has promised to make America great again like never before. Aren't you going to enjoy the fruits he is planting now for Americans?

[@fannyalbi9040]

come to my superpower country India.

[@alphaomega1969]

Same here, I heard the vibe and energy in china is so overwhelming, its like being high. I think it is to do with clean street and less polutionbfrom cars. If you move to china you will live like a wealthy or rich person. If you buy a house there is only one tax fee to pay, no yearly tax to pay on house and cars.

[@junman-on3yz]

Thank both of you for your insight! This was very informative!

[@6571239]

Absolutely fascinating conversation! So refreshing to have your perspective and experience of China...i think the difficulty for foreign students would be to have to learn chinese language which is not easy...Thank you both for this discussion. Please do more 😂 ❤

[@sombut415]

👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥 stay awesome brothers!!

[@jtang8768]

Social stability is the biggest goal of having censorship in China. it's also very true that Chinese type of censorship tries to mitigate the gaps of different opinions instead of enlarging it.

[@nickl1177]

thanks for a balanced perspective

[@PL22-JudgeDredd]

Thanks

[@DanielDumbrill]

Thanks for your support!

[@manbearpig8731]

Very nice talk Daniel and Ben, enjoy the new year's!

[@fannybirot2362]

Love both of you❤❤❤

[@janeconrad7243]

Really love to see good and brilliant international people to be in China👍👍❤❤

[@TingMo-n4i]

I agree 👍

[@penhdog2207]

Yes!! Please do more of these! I've just sent off my CV to recruiters and am planning a move in 2025.

[@AnnieT369]

I think it's good for kids to have pressure. I went to an English school and we had very little homework. I wasted all my free time.

[@jiangcui5769]

Thanks!

[@DanielDumbrill]

Thanks for your support!

[@jierling6440]

I am Chinese and i really enjoy the conversations. Very insightful!

[@jierling6440]

Very impressive by Ben’s observations and perspectives on China’ politics and policies. Truly a sociologist.

[@anthonytsui2018]

Great job, Daniel. Please continue your honest and good work to make the world safer. Thanks

[@themalejodietaylor2599]

Great discussion guys. Answered so many of my questions. Thank You.

[@siewkonsum7291]

From my long experience living in China - any a non-chinese who live & or work in China and pick the local language and can communicate with the Chinese, the Chinese will be open to them, and interact with him or her to develop friendly & meaningful friendship! 😊

[@Abdull920]

Absolutely fantastic show

[@gmanhan8305]

Very good program.

[@NgBetta]

Vow thanks you sharing .more understanding living in China & culture there

[@laogong52]

Thanks guys. Great to see these aspects of China aired honestly.

[@longyou8254]

Zhong hua min zu……. Ben is perfectly pronounced the tone, this is the most difficult part of language

[@BillyTowel]

Very well said 👏, seeing is believing. As Mao said you have no right to comment until you have seen it! I was brought up & brain washed to hate the the Chinese communist government and the Chinese people. I was taught how bad the government was & how bad were the Chinese until about 35 years ago my mindset had totally changed. At that time I had chance to go to travel & work in Hefei city, Anhui province China for a short period. Once I had lunch outside a tiny restaurant and there were few kids stood around & looked at me eating. At that time China was still very poor. The rice I ate had sand in it. I couldn't bear & stopped eating although I didn't want to waste food. When the kids saw me stop eating, they came to me asked if they could have the leftovers because they were hungry! I said yes & also wanted to order more food for them but they refused. I was in tears seeing this! Later when I chatted with some older people & asked them how come they were so poor even without enough food to eat & íf they hated & blamed the communist government. They first asked me one simple question: if one person needs 5 to 6 bowls of rices for 3 meals daily, the government at least needs to provide 6 billion bowls of rices for her 1.2 billion citizens DAILY! Which government in the world could do such kind of work while China was sanctioned by the world at that time? They said it's much better than in the old days when China was ruled by the National Party some had to sell their children to exchange for food and it took time to change & improve! Since then I was totally changed as I travelled to China and contacted with the people more. As time goes by China gets better & better like nowadays. Needless to say anything, to fully feed 1.4 billion of people daily is a huge job, everyone has a fair chance of education & housing etc. are already a big success in this world & only the Chinese communist government can achieve these! 😊

[@chenalyx]

Because after the end of the Cold War, the U.S. government knew that communism was powerful and a very powerful opponent. So they began to control the media to brainwash people that communism is evil

[@firstlast-pt5pp]

@31:50 - the 2018 PISA result for Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu and Zhejiang ( China ) is better than Singapore - about 1 year ahead of Singapore for maths and science - you can't do well for the PISA assessments by relying on memory alone ( you can try some of the sample questions and see for yourself )

[@hyperfokus]

Great conversation, thanks...

[@jinniwind]

I love Ben!

[@joeymelbourne]

There are several scenarios: first, relationship and marriage, second, find a good career in China, third, study in China....Lots of Americans want to move to China, travel is fun like paradise, but to settle down, need to do some research and homework, just like moving to any country

[@CMH18]

My cousin completed his university studies at Ningbo University, completely in English. Majority of the students are foreigners, cost around CNY15000per year. Seriosuly its worth it.

[@ngheanchoong]

Very good discussion. Very informative

[@Abcd1234-q4v]

China has just announced that its total Gdp exceeded 130 trillion RMB. When calculated in USD based on current exchange rate it's just about USD 18 trillion behind the US. But the purchasing power of RMB is far higher than the official rate 7.31. As can be seen in the comparison of prices of goods and services，cost of living in China is so much more affordable like housing, education, medical costs, food and transportation, etc, etc The purchasing power of RMB is almost like 1 rmb to 1.5 to 2 USD. The official exchange really has distorted the true size of China's economy. If the exchange rate is adjusted to reflect the real purchasing power of RMB, it should be 1 RMB to 1.5 to 2 USD, then the true size of China's economy should be equivalent to 150 to 200 trillion US dollars! That's such a gigantic size of economy unparalleled in human history.

[@quneliza5678]

Wo, wo, Wow. Two sincere gentlemen.

[@Mel_Gerrard]

According to CWTS Leiden Ranking, which is a fairer way of ranking universities given that it takes into account non-English language research publications (and not only English ones), 16 of the world's top 25 universities are in China.

[@cheese-df1yx]

It is a long video , more than 1 hour But I do not feel long. I enjoyed it! Appreciate your video! I fully agree your view. Big thank from Singapore!

[@採菊绚麗]

Is the term "Global Majority" more accurate than Global South?

[@avidmisreader]

It’s better (more accurate with so much (forced) displacement) and worse (not even 1% of 10% are going to continue pretending they’re with 100%)

[@Btrrdoubleor0]

i just notice Ben start drinking warm water. You are changed my man. 😂🎉

[@WebAccount-y3e]

Great conversation!

[@zprodigalson]

@38:00 If you want to study the hard sciences, go to China. If you want to study things such as gender issues or take a course such as "How to Survive a Zombie Apocalypse", go to USA.

[@Mr-ro6cl]

two genius and talented thinkers

[@poros4588]

I really wanted to move to China. I even know Mandarin is currently living in the USA working as a research assistant in a top university but as a brown person and being originally from a relatively impoverished country, I don't know moving to China is an option for us.

[@zprodigalson]

There are many "brown" youtubers who live and work in China. If you can find suitable work, that shouldn't be a problem.

[@enzhus]

Race and country of origin are not issue at all. You should try

[@niket527]

@@zprodigalson yeah they're not working as research assistants, they are probably working in the back of some indian or pakistani restaurant.

[@luoderrick6912]

Why dont you ask this qns in rednote. I believe someone will ans your worries. Try it. Be brave

[@JIMMY-nz1ld]

Best is come for some trips and experience it first B4 moving

[@HasnaaAlaa]

Love both of you ❤

[@multiproduct9563]

The Chinese ranked their people through their Truthfulness, Fairness, and Righteousness. Since ancient times. Not totally but the majority. P/s: I love Truthteller. Thanks.

[@sfbaysider]

This discussion is truly one of its kind on KZbin. Very well done. It would be wonderful if you could expand the format to include parents who have children at local schools, international schools and bilingual schools. On a different note, I would love to see either of you or both of you do an in-person interview with Edward Snowden. I am curious to know if he can come to China for the interview. I follow his saga from when he left Hawaii. During his brief stay in Hong Kong, I was holding my breath to see if China would magically grant him an asylum. I believed that was his original intention. China was not ready at that time, and he was asked to move on. China with its strong movie industry could turn Edward Snowden's saga into a gripping political thriller. I am sure there is now a global audience for a well-made Snowden movie.

[@internationaldaily9820]

11:00 ...people are just nurtured to work against each other (in the West/US)... Daniel is absolutely spot on. Unfortunately, this is the essence of the so-called democracy, where the system fosters a cycle of opposition, for example, with Democrats seeking to knock down Republicans and vice versa. This is embedded in the ecosystem of Western style democracy and as time goes on the society becomes fractured and breaks down eventually. In the past, when the West were much richer with the stolen loot from the colonies, they could tolerate and sustain any differences, shortcomings and inadequacies but now that the resources have dwindled, things become broken. Thanks to both Daniel and Ben... 😘😍🥰

[@CMH18]

My other cousin studied in Shanghai Tongji university, they have many courses in collaboration with overseas universities. 2years in china 2years overseas and u get double degree. All affordable.......his other two years was in Germany, uni is completely free as well.

[@ID-me2lf]

Wow~ I also have a cousin studying for a PhD at Tongji University, but he said he might not be able to graduate.

[@ChaseYu]

4:22 you guys also ignored that the fact the there are many many Chinese people who either lives or studying abroad and they share their stories, view and experience etc etc on Chinese social media. While the majority of Chinese people aren’t out there around the world, many of the Chinese are also able to see other part of world due to those who lives or studying abroad, and then also the VPN users that aren’t that interested in politics, but also paying attention to like US entertainment gossiping, tv shows etc etc. this kind of stuff seems to missing from the West or something ( I’m not saying that there’s none ). But again, the “free world” citizens criticize China and Chinese on GFW, but the GFW never ever block or prohibit the “free world” citizen from ever reaching the Chinese, engaging with the Chinese, talking to the Chinese. Yet, not many “free world” citizens dare to make that move! 🤷‍♂️

[@chloecroad]

And they are reducing medical cost , I pay £40 a year cover medical cost of 70% and bought another additional medical insurance cost £18 to reimburse the 20%, so I ended up pay 10% on medical cost. And I always get to see a doctor in China on the same day and get my scan ,ultrasound on the same day.never need to wait to see a doctor.

[@panyaboonc5621]

Many people outside China don't know that Chinese government insist every Chinese children must have at least 9 years compulsory free education provided by the country. Parents only need to buy books and stationary. It is also an offend if the parents do not send their children to school starting from the age of 6 years old.

[@zen-mc4ju]

Textbook is also free.

[@cheungchingtong]

@@zen-mc4ju And for poor families, stationary would be subsidized by the government.

[@Ayyy-w1m]

In my opinion, the pressure in school is precisely why China was able to advance so much since the 80's. China had great challenges to overcome. I believe it's Mencious who wrote something like to overcome great challenges, an individual must have gone through rigorous experiences. It's precisely the rigorous education that produced many who led the country out of the poverty and made it what it is today. Many generations of Chinese gone through Chinese education system and came out fine. Parents play a critical role.

[@cheungchingtong]

Also the high school examination to university is very wise and important, which helps to decrease the inequality, kids from poorer families can actually have the chance to pursue dream of good life if they are willing to study hard. You don't get rejected by top unis just because of some rich kids' parents spend millions of dollar, everybody need to study hard for that.