Shove Vole end game food Tutorial : Tutorial Nuggets : Oxygen Not Included

[@mirjanbouma]

"this vole is running out of time and it's about to learn the true meaning of Christmas" My sides! 😂

[@mirjanbouma]

I just saw you have less than 30k subs. There is no justice in this world. Thank you for another tutorial nugget.

[@divat10]

wait what the

[@FrancisJohnYT]

As hobbies go this many subs feels crazy high. Thanks for the kinds words.

[@divat10]

@@FrancisJohnYT you make crazy good videos compared to some others with way more subscribers keep up the good work!

[@mirjanbouma]

@@FrancisJohnYT anytime, my good man.

[@JaRyCu]

"6 is a rounder number than 5." Well, depending on your hand writing, 5 can have some pretty nice curves in it, too!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It's more that 5 is a prime number and six is far more divisible. But I suppose the right 5 in say a nice black dinner dress (you know the kind) I might be swayed :)

[@lyssalud6781]

@@FrancisJohnYT i always imagined an impersonated 5 as the guy with an enormous beer belly. 6 would be the pregnant woman. AND 7 would be the number I'd like to see in a dinner dress.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@lyssalud6781 Wait you always imagined this?

[@kindnesstemmie6625]

that's called an S, not a 5

[@profilore]

Usefull, precise, tested out, brilliantly demostrated tutorial, as always. Ty! I'll be using voles for feeding my dupes more often now that i understand how it works. Never had a dupe population of more then 10, but now nothing is gonna stop me lol

[@Spoonwood]

I look forward to seeing how you shove vole farm in your upcoming 100 dupe playthrough Francis John!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

One more tutorial or two and yes I'm thinking mass voles for feeding our oversized population.

[@Spoonwood]

@@FrancisJohnYT Love the tutorials! No worries!

[@RingxWorld]

starvation ranch a million voles

[@petepeperakis8093]

Man is this the best guide for ONI period. Had 10 Stone Hatch Ranches for cycles. Barely kept a surplus of calories of around 1.2 million. Switched to voles. 130 cycles later I have 12 million calories.. And instead of feeding them all my igneous. I feed them regolith.. Which I have no use for ATM. THANKS FOR THE GUIDE!!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Once you go vole you never stop, best late game food source period.

[@jasong1872]

Nice tutorial. Regarding temperature control, one thing I did on a recent build that worked out pretty well was put an exhaust vent for CO2 from my industrial sauna into the shove vole room and just left the top of the ranch open to space. This kept all my steel machines around about 150 C and let the excess temperature evaporate into space. You don't get the small power return, but if you don't want to mess with liquid locks and a steam turbine, or don't have the room for it, that's an idea.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I did that one time as well, but due to some complications my CO2 stopped flowing and the whole thing overheated. It's amazing how quickly you end up with interdependent systems that can cause silly cascade failures.

I usually like to set up starvation ranch almost from the beginning by taking Shove Voles (or eggs) from the care packages and have them make extra meat right in the beginning. Good way of getting some extra calories early on without effort! Loving the vids Francis!

[@IllySillyxD]

Oh man just earlier today I was looking for guides for voles, thank you very much! :D

[@matiez]

I didn't realize voles were that easy to take care of. This is extremely helpful., thanks!

[@TheDreadedHope]

Frances: Hey Klei what we having for dinner? Klei: Vole Barbecue Frances: What do you mean barbecue? you can't cook them! the grill does not go above 300c Klei : Don't underestimate my power! Barthgaur: Do I hear an engineering problem? I have a solution!

[@AdamRotering]

Oh thank you. I needed this

[@MSoave]

You can fix the meat in the corner by putting your loader for the eggs on the far side and put a sweeper arm that can reach that spot, but can't reach the egg loader. It will grab the meat, but won't be able to move the eggs.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This build is pretty basic, their is a lot that can be added to customise it and make it even more convenient. You can even have the egg shells removed and sent to a smasher for lime. I try to make things as bare bones as possible and let players add what they want.

[@mattvoelker241]

"They're going to evolve shortly..." i don't know why I find that terminology so funny.

[@MrMeneldor]

As always a nice video. A practical and well explained tutorial.

[@iknowkungfu3148]

Top notch guide Francis. Thanks!

[@Tamizushi]

The reason why your rancher are able to maintain more than 32 voles each is that shove voles don't need to be groomed all the time. If a starving shove vole is groomed even just once before it runs out of calories, then it will lay an egg before it dies. In theory, if you have too many shove voles, then there is always a chance one of them will be unlucky and it will run out of calories before ever getting groomed. Still, if you can compensate for the occasional losses, then a fully dedicated rancher could maintain hundreds of starving shove voles on their own.

[@AmbiguousAdventurer]

7:05 The simplest solution I came up with is to use two conveyor loaders and two auto sweepers. Auto sweeper 1 is out of range of the egg drop chute, and it picks up both meat and egg into it's loader. Run the rail through the egg drop chute and use automation to close the chute if critter count is higher than set number (then the egg/meat passes on to the kill chamber). Auto sweeper 2 now is set up to reach the whole room except loader 1, loader 2 is installed in the same column as the egg drop chute, so sweeper 1 cannot reach it. loader 2 is set to only accept meat. This way only meat at the egg drop chute will be picked up by the sweeper and eggs will be left behind to hatch.

[@58209]

i'm adding "about to learn the true meaning of christmas" to my vocabulary of euphemisms about death

[@xN3hiox]

I know alot of people that have played the game alot use the starve ranching of shove vole, but frankly, in the end game i want less and less dupe interactions, i just stack up eggs in a 12 tile room (so i can fit dropper and critter deposit for a while, and later on automation for harvesting meat and egg shell). So i just stack eggs and or shove vole into that room until i have 50 (usually have 10 dupes in my bases plus 2 astronaut on full time duty). With 50 shove voles you get 8000k of meat per cycle wich end up getting you 10k once bbq. Now for the transition i almost always use dreckos, at start i have 2 full ranches of dreckos (96tile standard rooms with top tile of hydrogen) and afteri get enough plastic i switch to normal drecko for as much fiber i can have for insulation. This method has worked on every single map for me, and i've always thought getting plastic and reed fiber trhough normal means was a waste of p.water and or petroleum, not to mention the hassle of keeping the plastic press at under 150° in my hot rooms or simple having to keep it cool and waste heat... TL:DR put shove vole eggs in a room until you have enough that they generate meat without any interraction, 50 shove voles gets you 10 dupes of bbq/cycle

[@larrylindgren9484]

But at game end you have automating everything. Your Dupes have nothing to do anyway (mostly). How much steel do you need? I have 300 tons. Why make more when you've made everything. Then you don't need to refine it. So what's that Dupe doing? Nothing. Sooner or later refining it's worthless. You do it just to have more of what you will never use. Ok. You tamed all the geysers. You have your Rockets. There's really nothing for Dupes to do if you automate everything you can automate. So what are your Dupes doing? Mine have nothing really to do. 300 tons steel I don't need. Plastic? Why? My tube network is done. Ladders are done. I don't make plastic. I have 50 tons I'll never use. Glass? Everything I've used glass for is done. I have 10 tons now doing nothing. So I never have to refine anything. For the most part. The map is dug out. All the geysers I'm going to do are done. So my Dupes do nothing for the most part. The only one that's busy is my Rancher:) Again what are your Dupes doing at game end besides eating and sucking up air (for the most part)?

[@ravenbrindle3098]

How did I NOT know this was a thing? Farewell, hatch ranching

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

Maybe keep 1 for the coal production

[@AdamRotering]

Pretty much my sentiments. But 1 for refined carbon might be a good idea

[@AKUJIVALDO]

@@AdamRotering more like 5... As 1 incubator supports that much. And once you are in space biome, well time for hatches to "evolve" xD

[@TheMule71]

Side note: starvation ranching of voles is almost as efficient as standard ranching of hatches/slicksters as far as grooming labor is concerned. The 32 critters per rancher still holds, expecially if you have dedicated suppliers (who take care of the food) or automation. 32 hatches provide calories for 20 dups (according to the food calculator). Just remember those are theoretical, no downtime, figures, I usually stick to my 7:4 rule, meaning 32 hatches provide food for about 18 dups. The beauty of this is that once you decide on your target population, you can hire the desired number of dedicated ranchers (since they are quite rare, planning in advance is very helpful). You can start with hatch ranching and then switch to vole starvation ranching and keep the same ranchers.

[@halo007Mex]

Jaja god damn just when I was trying to do a vegetarian dupe run , now i want yo try this xD

[@kelciheit]

The best vegan run is just to make wild farms that are pip planted. They take up a lot of space, but require almost nothing to run

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I have done the wild pip farms, they end up huge. Also be prepared to learn how to cook dirt tiles or just mod in the ability to build dirt tiles.

[@fuzzypickle6432]

Thank you! This is the only thing I cant seem to manage right now.

[@darnwrong794]

In the normal ranch, can the automation wire be hooked up to a short timer and then the conveyer loader for eggs? That way, it will only activate when the room has more than 12, and only for a second after the room hits 12 so the eggs can be loaded and shipped off. No need for a shutoff and the meat can still be collected. Just a thought, havent tested it yet.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I have played with something like this before and could not figure out a way to get it working. If you link to the auto sweeper it will load all the eggs at once. If you like to the loader it will still keep all the eggs in it. I'm not saying it's not possible, I just could not figure it out at the time so I put in the little corner hole.

[@S_Black]

@@FrancisJohnYT Loader automation is so annoying. If automation prevented sweepers putting stuff into them it would make some builds so much easier. Egg management specifically

[@pradyumna23]

Thanks FJ! Q: How to prevent dubs to pick up Regolith and bring it back to the Dispenser? If I select sweep only the sweepers will not pick it up. I put the dispenser already of 1 priority, but dubs still coming. Anybody ideas how to fix that? Thanx!

[@MotocampingMutt]

I passed up.... so many care packages of vole pups... and here i am now... having a slime crisis to feed my mushrooms

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

we could complicate this even more.. but is it worth it lol thanks Francis

[@kenoir01]

Great vid. Very Informative as always, any chance u cud do a vid on rocketry and/or shipping cus I’m a massive noob at both

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I got you covered kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKaYiIxunt5sa7c Next video in the playlist covers Petroleum rockets

[@kenoir01]

Francis John cheers mate, legend 🤙🏼

[@SIGNALacquired]

Holy Vole-y !

[@commonsense-og1gz]

with the new delecta voles, are you able to support them by keeping them glum, to get the -80 metabolism, and therefore the reduced consumption, or will this impact growth of the scales?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Pretty sure that will affect scale growth but you can tell for sure by hovering over the scale growth of a starving vole.

[@matthewtalbot-paine7977]

Just had a little test as I thought this would be something they'd patch i.e. that you can extract kcal from voles without input but nope it is not so you can do this currently. I'm going to be changing my base tonight to be shove vole oriented.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

They have drastically increased the amount of water you can get so crops became more viable. But for BBQ I'm pretty sure this is the most viable long term choice.

[@Enceos]

It looks like our real-life chicken farms. They don't have the "cramped" debuff as well.

[@cutmasta-kun]

I have a question. You are seperating the two rooms containing steam with a pneumatic door. But you cannot place a drywall tile behind a pneumatic door, so why is the steam not escaping????

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This was patched a long time back, gas cannot escape through the back of pneumatic doors or mesh/airflow tiles. You used to have to put drywall behind them but now they act that way by default.

[@commonsense-og1gz]

since you have excess water being produced late game, you might add stuffed berry, berry sludge, or peppernut bread in there as well.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

You can, it's just that the time and effort required to grow and cook them when compared to BBQ Voles I'm usually not bothered.

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@FrancisJohnYT a meal is not complete if it doesn't have the dessert and bread to go wit it! i would refrain from any restaurant that serves only one thing.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@commonsense-og1gz So me and the Girlfriend are in a restaurant, it's very very nice, we put our "holiday away" budget into eating out instead. For desert I order a Dark Chocolate Fondant, it tastes so good I flag down the waitress and tell her I'd like another. We caused that restaurant some confusion it turns out no one had done that before. Siobhan agreed the Fondant was totally worth ordering a second. The staff kept grinning at us. So yeah I understand the need for a good desert :)

[@Soul-Burn]

I personally like using incubators (with automation to reduce power usage) so that I can cut down on the amount of voles needed to be groomed.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

With incubators and automation you could just about half the amount of Voles needed if you want. I'm still a bit lazy though, I tend to just throw a few dupes at it and not worry to much.

[@pronkel]

as always thanks for the video :)

[@davidcarter8946]

Great Video, as usual. Question: How are you Self Cooling the ST on the Vole Ranch? Mine keeps overheating. Steel ST + Wall Paper + Gold Radiant Pipes + ??. I have tried hydrogen, then oxygen, then oxygen + a layer of petroleum. Still keeps overheating. Thermo set at various temps. Steam at various densities ... currently at around 40-50Kg per tile.

[@hiddenSeeker]

Did you figure it out? Same problem here...

[@alann8117]

Why are your auto sweepers and other stuff not overheating in space. Mine continue to over heat as that are in a vacuum and it has nowhere for the heat to go?

[@alann8117]

Ar now I see you have made them out of thermium. +900 overheat temp. but surely they would still overheat eventually??

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Regolith keeps dropping on the sweepers, the sweeper is regolith cooled. The mining drills is a different story. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYKafGV5Zr-nn5I

[@phookadude]

So could you feed the voles in the starvation area for awhile so you could get them all to starve at the same time, you could then synchronize their cycles and lock the doors when they drop eggs to prevent time wasted grooming. You might be able to run 2 or three rooms with the same number of dups grooming. Might be some other way to get them synced up like using incubation stations with power switches to make them all hatch on the same day.

[@varveyok533]

What is evolution chamber for? Thanks.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Baby shove voles are born in it, encounter an un-breathable hostile environment and evolve into their final form, meat.

[@varveyok533]

@@FrancisJohnYT thanks! I didnt expect ypu to answer that. Wow

[@duyhieuvu1259]

Francis can you make a nugget on timings? Like when you should start on a SPOM, when you should make an industrial brick, when you start demolishing the map open, starting rocketry etc? I love your builds but I don't know when I should be comfortably building them.

[@TOPG-CHESS1]

Yessss!!!! I would Love to see one....

[@S_Black]

That's very subjective. He plays very quickly because he is very good at the game. But also because on YT it sells better to always keep moving and have a new project every episode. You can play a lot slower if you want. For example you can get by with a temporary metal refinery using a pool of water for quite a long time. Generally you shouldn't pay so much attention to people telling you how you "should" play a game. Contrary to what many in the ONI community seem to think there are different ways to play the game

[@TOPG-CHESS1]

@@S_Black well, but he could make it different for example, after having a stable water source build some ranches and so on and so on

[@FrancisJohnYT]

S Black has a good point. Timing is more a case of preference usually related to how many dupes you have. The best general advice is do it before you run out of resources :) My Newbie guide covers the order I do my early game in, from Start to Just before mid game.

[@duyhieuvu1259]

@@FrancisJohnYT yeah thanks for replying, I do hope my colony won't siphon off all my resources before I get my infinite sustainability

[@raymond_cartagena]

I never thought to use steam to keep a shove vole farm cool. That's brilliant. Regolith disposal, food, lime, and power. Still, I think I prefer the ease and simplicity of starvation ranching. But I might find a use for this setup someday. Perhaps have the cooling loop for the regolith mining laser setup run through this ranch to save space and get extra power? Hmm...

[@raismin739]

i prefer cool the regolith before it enter the base, becouse i use it for filtartion too, and usually i keep ranching near the cooking area, near the central base and near the industrial brick, so i have to cool dawn before

[@Skinnymarks]

For some reason I cant get an auto sweeper to put an egg into an incubator.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Incubator needs to have an egg type selected. Also the sweeper needs to be in range of the incubator and the egg it's trying to put in.

[@Skinnymarks]

@@FrancisJohnYT thought I had all of that and still it's my dupes putting the egg in instead of the auto sweeper. Oddly another file the auto sweeper was doing it just fine.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@Skinnymarks Oh it's the dupes stealing the jobs. It happens, their is a mod that allows you to stop dupes from manually loading items.

[@dominiquesavoie568]

11:45 Time for the good old infinite loop ;)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I maybe should a done a little testing there first.

[@RichPhillibob]

The only other critter in ONI that gives the same amount of meat as a shove vole is the gassy moo. Notoriously one of the best critters in the game

[@Saturas35142]

Do Critter Sensors count eggs in incubators? that would be a nice solution to ship eggs to only if the incubators are not stocked

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Not 100% but I believe sensors count incubators as well.

[@mickles1975]

What's with the Klei mug next to the steam generator?

[@S_Black]

Debug power generator running on coffee

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Debug Coffee power was such a wonderful addition, before it's introduction I used to fill a room with hydrogen and hydrogen generators to power test builds.

[@mickles1975]

Thanks.

[@HansFrisk]

Something that annoyed me infinitly was that you needed to make the insulation tiles from Obsidian or another hard material or Vole:s will just burrow out of the room took me a lot of pause/play to figure out what you made yours of. My mafic rock / Igneous Rock ones they just happily sit on the outside of the structure and die :( Also if its entirly exposed to vacum I guess just making it all out of metal tiles work too.

[@IldarIsm]

What is the name of plugin which allow to cut pipes without rebuilding them, i can not find it in mastershop.

[@rpmcclure1]

How does the math work out if you don't groom? Would it just be that you'd need more voles to produce food but still a stable population? (Is it possible to starvation farm voles with no dupe interaction)

[@Fabse32q]

Did you or anyone here recognize the issue they might poo on your robo-miner such that it get the Entombed-Debuff?

[@mytiliss682]

You shouldn't pat it if it's hungry. Applies to cats as well.

[@Beefster09]

The only problem with this build is that you can't hold the steam in because the pneumatic doors can't be built over drywall. Is there some workaround?

[@daszveroboy]

Iirc, doors, pneumatic or otherwise comes with prebuilt drywall, so steam should not be able to escape.

[@s4098429]

I hope they balance this in the next patch. There’s no incentive to provide the other food types late game. Frost burger, spicy tofu, all pointless. I think the moral bonus for bbq should be lowered. Even at highest difficulty you don’t need to provide good food to your mechatronics engineer.

[@fermosofiore1336]

i hope they put back pincha pepper to cook bbq

[@kelciheit]

Yea I’m hoping Klei is going to solve these issues in their announced DLC. By that I mean giving the player an incentive to rely on separate colonies to extract and farm resources. Most of these current “efficient” systems rely heavily on exploits, such as starvation ranching which miraculously creates calories upon shove vole birth, or the current infinite geysers. I would much prefer the game to be where infinite sustainability is impossible, but you can make it so extremely efficient to where you can survive almost indefinitely

[@FrancisJohnYT]

They usually listen to the fans, but I'm pretty sure they will leave in full sustainability. It was a very much requested feature back when it was only possible by torturing crying dupes.

[@s4098429]

I agree, mostly. I think the game is the most fun when you have the pressure of resources running out. Right now there is minimal incentive to go to space, you can easily build a self sustaining base without it. I think if there was just fewer water geysers per asteroid, so that you could only support a low number of dupes, this would encourage players to go to space and settle other asteroids.

[@PyrokineticFire1]

perhaps those exploitative mechanics could be rebalanced via modding. a new asteroid with a limited "lifespan" that would encourage further colonization would be interesting.

[@raismin739]

i personaly enjoy full automate evrything until my dupe start to go always idle or somethig XD i know it's not really realistic having a gold volcano or a infinite water source, or the planet thet replenish itself out of nowere, but exploiting game mechanich to create farm to help you in the game is a part of the enjoyment. teorically to survive you only need food and oxygen, but without this type of infinite source there no need to create a roudrigez for some oxygen, or starve ranching the vole, a desalinator by boiling, NG boilers, huge solar panel array, industrial sauna, you have just to start, kill 2 of you dupe and live of wild plant around and polluted water vaporization, if you dupe get sick... better, more water-> more oxygen, totally boring way to play, but fully substainable in few cycle. take rimworld for example, you don't have infinite resource except for planting your crops, natural tree, wild fauna and raid, but you don't need water for your crop, you don't need oxygen for your pawns, energy if free if they don't get destroyed by stupid tantrum or stupid raider Minecraft if have almost every resource farmable and teorically to survive you can get a hole in the ground 3 block hight and place a block in you head. Done, perfect sustainable, fun? no, is completly boring thats way you build, you create farm, you explore the world, you get resorces... factorio you don't have infinite resorce of any kind except for water and energy, you don't have to survive tought, the more you build, the more dungerous it gets, and the very limited resource mean you have to fully outomize everything and you have to get lucky with your map to get your objective in short, having infinite resource get you the opportunity to waste in fun machine, or sometime to squish the more out of you resource think about an ony playtrough were you have to chose between an electrolyse setup or ranching becouse you don't have enought resource for both, think if you can't have a infinite resource of water.. what you do? (well we have alredy done this, making dupe vomiting and then let him breath the po oxygen, reclying theyr pee and making them eat dirt) is fun? not much and your duplicant spent most of its time to survive, meaning you can't do almost anything, dupe time is a very precious resource. i write too much XD

[@mrjblacc85]

I made a shove vole farm based on this, but my steam keeps condensating by the shove vole vomit because it's cold when it comes out. Did this change? Does that mean it's better not to use steam and cool via a cooling loop?

[@pepethefrog1763]

Is it have to be in space? Also can the second contraption you build have gasses inside?

[@raismin739]

i was just reserching starve ranching yesterday XD every critter born with some Cal (43200 fore vole, 6300 for the hatchs, 450 for pacu) every baby is always happy, can't reproduce and consume only 10% of it's normal consumption an adult if not happy consume only 20% of normal consumption, but the reproduction is too slow (about 1/10, i haven't experiment it yet), if you call S for starting Calories C for consumption of Calories/cycle (4,8k for vole, 140 for hatch, 400 drecko, 20 pacu, 24 slickster, 40 puft) E for reproduction rate (2700s for puft, 5400s for drecko, 900s for pacu, 3600 for others) M for meat amount (20k for vole, 2k for every other, 1,6k for pacu ) i totally forgot about Pips XD (S-5*(1/10)*C) is how many cycle they can resist (the five is becouse they need to stay baby for 5 cycle) they will always drop an egg, meaning you can starve ranch everything notable are pacu, you can get an egg every 6,5-6,7 cycle useful for lime and vole that give enormous amount of meat (3600s+5*600s+20*600s)you get an egg every 31 cycle for every egg you get 20k for vole so you get 20/31 Cal for cycly (around 2/3 of a dupe, just a little less). if you have X dupe you just need 3/2 X+1 vole. standard 24 dupe is 37 vole i will research more about grooming time and the other critters last note: you can shave a drecko before it dyes aven if he is not in hydrogen (free fiber)

[@richard2mitchell]

Hey can you do a video on how to load save maps?....and can you have a cheat map with ALL of your build?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

All of the builds!! that's a lot of builds, regolith melter, both boilers, chimney, sauna's, food, SPOM. I'm not sure it would all fit on the map. Even if it did it would take an age to load.

[@raismin739]

there is a possibility if you share blueprint using the blueprint mod, but the map is not big enought for loading a map you have to put the save file in the saves folder C:\Users\"your user"\Documents\Klei\OxygenNotIncluded\save_files for Windows Francis leave regolary the save file atached in the description in his playtrought you can download it, load whit oni and save the blueprint using the mod and then load the blueprint whenever you want in your saves, just remember to export the blueprint and then import when you want to use it in a new saves, save the blueprint in coded folder to easy axcess (early game, late game) and when you create a blueprint in sandbox, rember to have a left and a right blueprint, sometime you have to choose one of the two

[@atmreaper9828]

How do you stop your dupes collecting the regolith and using it in things like deodorizers? My dupes really do struggle with IQ issues......

[@custume]

good video

[@der_schweizer_244]

hey francis can you drop by in the discord? we need a mute voice chat and i dont have the rights to creat it, hydra is off till next monday and mercury doesnt wannt to spam the general chat.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'll have to drop by regularly from now on, I have made a promise to improve my time management.

[@brianmccracken4880]

Anyone know the name of the song at the end?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Forgot to add it's name to the description, it's there now.

[@sxmchn]

I was wondering if there is an advantage to use either starvation ranch vs evolution chamber? Is there one that is significantly more efficient than the other. Why use one rather than the other. At first glance it seems it would use less dupe activity to do an evolution chamber. Am I missing something?

[@lordlard2833]

The evolution chamber is faster and requires less dupe time but costs a lot more in terms of power (2 miners, automation, sweepers, etc.). The power to cook the meat is irrelevant when comparing them since that cost is the same per calorie. The starvation ranch requires only the energy to run the auto sweeper but since each vole takes longer to give you the calories it will take more dupe time per calorie gained. Evolution: More power, less dupe, resources to feed voles Starvation: Less power, more dupe, no resources on feeding voles Hope this helps.

[@lordlard2833]

@@sxmchn Yeah. I think that is especially true since you can get away with only having 2 squares for the grooming station to be standing on and the rest be pneumatic/mesh doors.

[@Idontknowwhattocallmyself]

How do you get skills in sandbox fast? Is there a mod or something?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Their is a save file editor, allows you to modify dupes via a save file and give them any stats you want. robophred.github.io/oni-duplicity/#/

[@Idontknowwhattocallmyself]

Francis John thanks

[@raismin739]

he is using debug tool too you have to create a file called debug_enable.txt in the "your game's dyrectory"/OxygenNotIncluded_Data to have whit alt+F4 key you enable the free building were you can add skill to your dupe for free

[@joeyb3721]

Starvation ranging does not work anymore with delecta voles. Multiple solutions posible but I have not yet decided on a final design. Maybe an update on this video with options?😄

[@indecisiverift]

a regular ranch with 1 breeder and automation to only feed it what it needs every 9 cycles should keep the starvation ranch full indefinitely with the 2% chance to lay the dud (so long as you don't have their food at delecta temps)

[@not-high-on-life]

Fancier way to deal with regolith is melt it into magma and cool it! Nets you an unhooly shitton of power and igneous rock which you can feed to hatches :P

[@larrylindgren9484]

Why? With 5 times the meat you need 5 times less of them than Hatches. You don't need to make any rock. Shove Vole food actually rains out of the sky:P And can never run out.

[@isawadelapradera6490]

In engineering, "fancier" literally means "worse"

[@TheOriginalTim]

"A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery

[@vincentury]

Maybe drop a liquid to submerge the van so those vole won't go in there died and left the meat staling, the egg hatched will try to leave that place and never come to that spot again. It just my thought, i've not test it

[@mattf4239]

Is there any chance you may be doing a pacu farm tutorial? At the moment I tend to have about 40 in a pool and leave them wild, but its very inconsistent. You're busy with other stuff, I get it, just curious

[@S_Black]

Difficult to do as they they eat a ridiculous amount of algae. The most viable approach is to have a breeder fish or two you feed to fill a tank that starves (yes, again). There may still be some trick to feed them less algae than they really need. You used to be able to get away with a kilo per day but that was nerfed somewhat recently

[@raismin739]

@@S_Black they only eat 10Kg for cycle, don't they? well the aproch is that, you get a good amout of lime this way and some food too

[@S_Black]

@@raismin739 Try 140 kg/cycle

[@raismin739]

@@S_Black nope, i controlled it, it 100kg for cycle XD well, you were closed

[@S_Black]

Then maybe they reduced a bit recently. But it's still more than is easily sustainable

[@yellotoaster9368]

Does this work still? Or did it get nerfed?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Last I checked it still worked, but it's been several months. Also the new mutated plants added a bunch of great food options.

[@TheFluke32]

Mate, Steam is a sterile gas, which means the meat left in steam does not rot, so leaving them in a steam filled Shove Vole Ranch is fine.

[@isawadelapradera6490]

*_S T E A M E D H A M S_*

[@XaqNautilus]

Another Base Lovin' vid soon? Please?

[@ddxl5657]

7:12 steam is a sterile atmosphere so you don't lose the meat

[@stefanfyhn4668]

Had to watch some of it without audio and it doesnt make much sense, will be back later haha

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Trying to figure out how we magic food out of nowhere without sound, I can see how that might be a problem.

[@stefanfyhn4668]

@@FrancisJohnYT I watched it and learned Shove Voles don't have a critter/space limit, can't believe I didn't know this. That's why your tutorial nuggets are amazing :D They originally got me started good with the oil midgame as well. But I'm having a little trouble getting from there into rocket/space tech. One day, maybe!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@stefanfyhn4668 ONI is though game at pretty much any stage. But that is the fun for me, their is something so good about getting something working for the first time.

[@tyraelpl]

Klei has to know about that husbandry bug alrwady... Why isnt that fixed yet? I mean its been years, literally!

[@tyraelpl]

@AKUJIRULE aaah the classic "it's not a bug, it's FEATURE!". If so it's the most poorly designed game subsystem. I love klei but they too F up from time to time.

[@Till2909]

Cant you just put wild of These guys cus a wild one cant starve and lays one egg in his live And if the cant can get mad wehn tehere to mutch of them you can do this with many of them so got unfinet free food

[@FrancisJohnYT]

They live to be 100 cycles old so it would take each one would only give you meat every 100 cycles. So by ranching them they die at cycle 30 ish from starvation after laying an egg so you get meat every 30 cycles instead.

[@Vogelgangg]

Shove voles, the better hatch

[@xenoborg007]

How have they not fixed the husbandry skill yet it's been like a year and a half+

[@larrylindgren9484]

It works now. My Rancher was skill level 1. She's now 23.

[@TheOriginalTim]

To all those asking for nerfs: Shut up. Now that I have your attention, think about what you're asking for. The average player doesn't actually enjoy fighting death with every decision, and being killed for not being psychic. This game is difficult enough already, right out of the box. It's so difficult, as a matter of fact, that less than 50% of players have the "Bed and Bath" achievement for having a toilet, a sink, and one bed for each dupe... And that's the achievement with the highest percentage of player acquisition, despite the fact that those things can all be accomplished before downtime on the first cycle. So instead of expecting everyone else to play the game how *you* want to play it, perhaps you can just mod your own game into whatever personal hell you think is appropriate, and let everyone else play the way *they* want to. Barring that, I challenge you to make your own survival horror game and make it as frustratingly difficult as you want; if you want a hyper-complex misery simulator, make one. I, for one, play games to unwind. To relax. I might like a game mode where surviving indefinitely is the default, even if you do absolutely nothing after spawning in. Does that sound fun to you? No? Then you play your game, and I'll play mine.

[@lavisch837]

Is there a reason for having two grooming stations in the feeding ranch? You mentioned for the other ranch that one grooming station can support 32 critters but you're only keeping 12 in the feeding ranch. Is it mainly so you can expand later on or am I missing something? Also, I've been playing around with your design and was able to cut out the middle section and slap the steam turbine right on top of the ranch by putting the door vertically (with the bottom of the door sticking into the corner of the ranch). This seems to prevent regolith being vomited outside of the ranch. Also maybe worth noting is that you can bypass the use of the conveyor shutoff and just run your eggs through your bottom-left dropoff first and control it with the critter sensor. Anyway, great tutorial. I learned a lot.

[@selensewar]

It's kinda unfair how relatively easy and profitable voles are. And ranching in general, to be honest.

[@dmd733]

Does starvation ranching Voles still work?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

According to the wiki yes, but I have not tested. Maybe run a test in sandbox first before you commit.

[@dmd733]

@@FrancisJohnYT Thank You FJ! You are Awesome!

[@zyndrumz]

Would anything change if I'd want to optimize for egg shells rather than meat? I find that food is quite easy to cover, but steel is a very limited resource once you start building bunker doors.

[@raismin739]

if you want to have lime, the best sorce is oacu, you get an egg teorically every 6,5 cycle and not 31, but they get overcrowed, so you have to do more management

[@Chaoscrider404]

A sweepybot could catch your out of reach meat, no?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Would have to squish things about a bit but it can be done. I just left it as simple as I could for demonstration, their is a lot of little tweaks and automation that could be added if you are so inclined.

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

I've seen so many sweepybot comments lately on Francis videos ":D"

[@seanh7585]

Entomb-ination of the grooming-station

[@AmbiguousAdventurer]

These voles are voracious eaters, I can't satisfy their food needs even with your robo miner setup... I had around 50 voles

[@frogdan]

I find starvation ranching of voles a lot simpler. And crushers for regolith.

[@AKUJIVALDO]

Crushers for regolith? Wut?

[@frogdan]

You can open and close a mech. airlock after the regolith has fallen down from opening the bunker doors, just gets rid of it if you have solar that you dont want blocked

[@AKUJIVALDO]

@@frogdan that is just exploit. You crush nothing, it just disappear.

[@TUVlad47]

У полевок-копалок нет перенаселения в комнатах

[@FrancisJohnYT]

True

[@ekayangtyler5592]

"Late game build" Is on cycle 204

[@ekayangtyler5592]

Oh wait it's sandbox

[@civiere]

Utube should list 2nd, 5th... hell, 20th view! Every playthrough is the same. Wait, how did that work again... FJ Time!!

[@electricfish6475]

first pog

[@S_Black]

Starvation ranching really needs to be nerfed. And shove voles could use a nerf in general. The food system is already unbalanced as it is with agriculture being too unattractive compared to easy BBQ.

[@chad2895]

Voles being nerfed a bit at least the starvation ranching is fair but in reality i think farming just needs to be buffed in some way to make it at least able to compete with rushing ranching

[@S_Black]

@@azreal2309 The Pacu is a great example of completely unbalanced mechanics. Feeding them normally is unsustainable, so people come up with workarounds to make it feasible. Calling that "creativity" is just excusing bad game balance. It should be possible to farm and ranch critters the conventional way without circumventing the standard mechanics

[@chad2895]

@@azreal2309 I'm not saying you cant farm. It's totally reasonable to but as far as ease of access and effort vs reward ranching is just miles better

[@michaelsotomayor5001]

@@chad2895 it truly is.. look at what francis has to do to even get frost buns. Or worse try to make spicy tofu with wild pip planted seeds. It's a disaster.

[@chaowang9312]

Agree. There are like 12 recipes in the game and people go straight to BBQ at cycle 30 because it is the simplest and most sustainable food source.

[@WeirdOne19142]

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