Show Host Says NFL O-Linemen Aren't Skilled, Just "Push People Around" | Pat McAfee Reacts

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[@Mountainman_20]

Your 40 million dollar QB, 3-20 million dollar WR, are worth $0 if the line can’t block.

[@Anthony-mt7qr]

@Geoff Sloan Irsay must have, if you think about Andrew Luck...

[@dalehammers4425]

Sadly my beloved Chiefs proved that in our last SB appearance.

[@andrewmamarella905]

Giants fan here… can corroborate this statement

[@jacobcoughlin1822]

Lol the star Right/left tackle probably makes as much, if not more, a year than the star receiver

[@dalehammers4425]

@@jacobcoughlin1822 Because they are worth more. Too many devalue a good OL man, its sad.

[@crisrodriguez4676]

Former College center here. Thanks so much for having him on. He spoke the truth! O-line is extremely complex and nuanced. I LOVED when he said "If they beat us once and get the sack, they celebrate and make the Pro Bowl!". So true!

[@DC-jt9py]

My best games paying RB came when the OL was on point nailing all their blocks, picking up stunts and blitz. Love the OL guys from my playing days

[@raybrooks1555]

Much respect brother! Played the center position as well, and that's been the perception for generations!!!!

[@2kolbe010]

Correct

[@scj1668]

@@DC-jt9py Exactly and honestly the office of line wins more times than they lose also if they’re not skilled how can we don’t just call up my 600 pound life for prospects

[@tacotacotington3638]

O lineman are massive. It’s insanely hard to be very fit and have that much mass at the same time. It’s immense skill. We need Mark on more often during the season to break things down from games. I love hearing his knowledge.

[@zoosti7802]

FACTS. Look at all the retired o line guys. They either turn to mush or become a regular person lmao

[@ededdandeddytv5164]

I guess we got different definitions of skill

[@rjharrold2907]

@@zoosti7802 Idk if I would consider 240-260 lbs fairly lean with massive hands, frame, ligaments regular

[@Mike__B]

@@zoosti7802 Yup, recently retired Oline guys tend to look super skinny afterwards

[@Nightwishmaster]

@@Mike__B A lot of them have ended up in bad shape after retiring, which is why you see guys like Alan Faneca who see some of these guys go on to have health problems and he lost over 100 pounds after he retired and started running marathons. While it's not "easy" for them to do it while they're playing they're constantly stuffing themselves and actively trying to keep their weight up, once they retire and can just eat normally or diet a bit it just falls right off a lot of them, it's crazy to see.

[@Apogee816]

“On the offensive line, you’re going against a more gifted athlete and you’re expected to win 100% of the battles” perfect summary of the reality and attitude toward offensive linemen.

[@lennyj2080]

Great post Evan. I played O-Line at a Top 10 D-1 school for three years and your statement could not be more true. If you win 60 out of 61 plays the 1 loss will lose the game for you and end up on ESPN. Today's D-Line athletes are genetic beasts.

[@Apogee816]

@@lennyj2080 I can't take credit for the quote lol. just pointing it out. 7:09

[@nickhamerlynck7919]

I just don’t even agree with that because DT and O line are evenly matched up usually, unless it’s some freak of nature like Aaron Donald. The edge rushers, yes they’re faster but the tackle has usually more than 50 pounds on rushers and they’re still fast. These are pros we’re talking about, they’re all great athletes. It’s just O line is expected to hold their ground against a very strong fast man running full speed at them. That’s where the disadvantage comes in. That and they can’t hold. If they could hold, the offenses would be a video game.

[@Apogee816]

@@nickhamerlynck7919 thats valid. but i think the bigger emphasis is on the "expected to win 100% of the battles" even if they're against evenly matched opponents, O Line are STILL expected to win their matchup every time. If they win 95% of the time, folks only ever bring up that 5% where they don't.

[@jayteegamble]

Former left tackle here: When run blocking if that linebacker moves from one side of the nose tackle to the other right before the snap that changes who my center blocks, who my guard blocks, and who i block. We've all got to see it and react together and know what the other guys are going to do. It's the most complicated job while being the least fun job.

[@emanueltorres7025]

Very true when I played nose guard the LB would literally right before the play tap me on me either side and that was which gap I hit so the o line would have to read that and then also read where the LB is about to hit

[@svendb7]

O line have the hardest freaking practices ever

[@jayteegamble]

@@svendb7 And they're no fun at all! You're breaking your ****ing ass and you look up and see the receivers and QBs running routes and playing catch, frolicking around laughing.

[@codyjack8918]

Former RG and DT and you said it best

[@neloverg3774]

@@jayteegamble it's like the coaches are low-key trying to make sure you're always angry at all times

[@claytonpierpoint1367]

“You play in the NFL ur an exceptional athlete” Pat: “Thank you” 😂😂😂

[@Beefycheddermelt]

Just watched some highlights of 49’rs left tackle Trent Willams the man is incredible smart, skillled, and athletic. This chick knows nothing

[@SickAsss702]

When pat looks at the guys 😂😂

[@edgonzalez3820]

@@Beefycheddermelt I mean he is on the Mount Rushmore of greatest O'line men of all time. So yeah lol.

[@greenman360]

Pat took ALL the gas on this one. Humility is for chumps lol.

[@tonyb460]

Shoot, check out jordan mailata. From football, to rugby, to singing. Multiple talents.

[@soulessshadow5356]

I honestly could listen to Stink talk about the O-Line and how important it is, and just how skilled these guys are. As a RT myself, it really made me smile to hear one of my heroes talk so passionately about a group of players I fit into.

[@BrockMak]

Him and Baldinger, too.

[@soulessshadow5356]

@@BrockMak Yessir absolutely! Baldy's breakdown's is one of my favorite series. If Baldy and Stink made a podcast talking strictly about the O-Line and D-Line I would be all for it haha!

[@ryanhenryness6811]

Well said

[@shaggyfilth7343]

This was my favorite segment from PMS in a bit. I love Stink breaking down the game

[@rbu2136]

I feel like I just got credits for a college class on O-Line work

[@user-gx8dl1dt2y]

If you want to be reductive, you can do it with every position. OL: Push D-line. C: Throw ball back then push. RB: They run. WR: They catch. TE: Sometimes catch, sometimes push. QB: They throw. CB: Hits the WR/TE. S: Hits the WR/TE but deeper. LB: Hits the RB, sometimes WR. OLB/EDGE: Hits the QB. DL: Push O-Line. K: They kick P: They kick LS: They throw the ball really far behind them while looking back through their legs. KR/PR: Be crazy.

[@defecationzen]

and radio personalities just talk.

[@Peakfreud]

The whole game is just running around chasing a ball and falling on each other. Sarcasm.

[@sunrain4532]

A LS is actually just that lol they don’t really do nothing. It’s a great position to play

[@NatE1]

That returner description is so accurate 🤣🤣

[@benzos5704]

You’re qualified to be a commentator with this level of insight! Lol

[@wlewis19760]

I wish a guy like former Bengal RT Willie Anderson would get more love for what he did in his career. In 13 years of playing he only had 13 Holding penalties and only gave up 16 sacks. Just stop and think about how many snaps he played in 13 years, and he only got beat 16 times. That's insane and he gets no love.

[@SanguineMalcontent]

I guarantee he was beaten more than 16 times.

[@blackalgorithmist000]

@@SanguineMalcontent 1 sack vs 9 of the top 11 all-time pass rushers

[@SanguineMalcontent]

@@blackalgorithmist000 Not even remotely relevant to my point :).

[@blackalgorithmist000]

@@SanguineMalcontent you didn't make a point.....you assumed something and was wrong

[@SanguineMalcontent]

@@blackalgorithmist000 Lol, no I wasn't. He gave up 16 sacks, how many hurries/pressures did he give up? I guarantee you it was more than 0. Thus he was beaten more than 16 times, dunce. Your comment had no relevance to that whatsoever.

[@the_essential_gringo6695]

He could have gone in for the kill and we’d all be like “yeah what a dumb Ass hole.” But he went in and laid down the greatest explanation of the position and said things that even seasoned football fans could learn from. Great segment by the big guy.

[@Rowsy91]

mark is always great to listen to

[@davidmonaco7332]

Calling someone an asshole isn't going in for the kill but okay

[@scj1668]

Well also she’s a woman So you’re not allowed to shred them

[@scott649]

I wish I he would’ve. She is getting paid to make completely uneducated claims about a sport she doesn’t seem to know jack about. How does she have a job?

[@samt7676]

@@scj1668 yes you can 😂😂😂 u gonna get arrested or something lol what are you on about . It’s just the mature way to try and educate someone instead of just shredding them and saying a bunch of inflammatory things to get clicks

[@badmoon710]

Played left tackle and right tackle my entire life. I remember just talking to my old wide receiver buddy tell me how much he enjoyed practice. I said “really? I hated it so bad.” He said “I can’t blame you. You were a lineman. They had the hardest practices.” Remember folks, there’s only one position that gets hit EVERY SINGLE PLAY. Lineman

[@whoo17]

Fingers get jammed. Knuckles bruised. Elbows get hut with face masks. Ppl land on you ankles. Foot gets stepped on with cleats.

[@mikeluka5225]

Hitting sleds over and over and over. Hitting 2 on 1 drills. Then you get to go scrimmage against a full defense! Lineman practice sucks. Also if you don’t know what grabbing grass is you don’t get to say it’s “pushing guys around”

[@atlbraves277]

True. Closest comparison is RB. Those dudes take some punishment. I remember being scout team my freshman year. Our freshman RB took a beating

[@robert3k]

Lineman practice only hard if you can't move or getting your ass whipped every drill. I loved practice as a lineman

[@atlbraves277]

@@robert3k prolly weren’t that good then

[@jveezy209]

I appreciate Pat and Mark for taking the time to break down why this is such a common incorrect take that comes from everyone from coaches to players to media to fans. They could have just clowned on the easy target, but instead they made it clear that this is a long-running sentiment and even people with knowledge of the game have a certain level of disrespect towards this extremely important and high-pressure position.

[@LanceMcClaren]

That’s what keeping it real looks like. I loved the take

[@adamlohr5547]

They didn’t clown on the reporter because she is a female.

[@jamesdeziel1468]

I was going to express this exact sentiment. An incredibly refreshing way to cover this take and really informative as well

[@paulnamalomba194]

That’s like saying receivers “just catch balls out of the air like a frisbee”. Surface-level knowledge.

[@batboy555]

Like a golden retriever.

[@matthewthemilkbender8095]

Not really, every other position takes more skill then being a lineman. Being on the line does take skill but not quite the same as other positions. Of course being on the line demands more physicality and a specific body more than other positions.

[@RobertsWesleyShow]

@@matthewthemilkbender8095 L take

[@matthewthemilkbender8095]

@@RobertsWesleyShow not really

[@TheRoyalHour]

She has a basement level understanding of football and that’s clear.

[@MrMytube60]

Moose and Maggie show, which ran from 10-1. They let them know after their Thursday show they were done. The next day Maggie announced the teaming with Pearlman, while Moose had no position at the station where he worked for 15 years. The man worked like a dog. He produced Mike & The Mad Dog, did overnights, fill ins, whatever was available. Maggie can kick rocks!

[@GerardPerry]

She epitomizes the clueless, wokescold diversity hire.

[@Relentlezz41]

Brandon Tierney and Tiki Barber do a great job, but Moose deserves much better. And good for JJ not wanting to team with Maggie

[@ChoklitThundah]

This was excellent. DBs also get held to a similar unfair standard. They’ll do their job for 30 pass plays but will get killed online if they give up 2-3 memorable catches. Only difference is they can make up for it by forcing turnovers which linemen don’t get. Both positions also have to run backwards and laterally at the same speed of their opponent running forward

[@JacaboBlanco]

And, like the line, it's sometimes hard for the laymen to see who even actually messed up. I hate seeing guys get flamed online for bad plays when it wasn't even their assignment that was blown. Sometimes it's hard to tell.

[@christophercano5708]

Yea and both positions are expected to play the whole effing drive. They will cycle receivers and pass rushers all damn day. A DB has to cover 2nd string WRs running full speed go routes just to eliminate you from a play.

[@tylergray6553]

RIP Brandon Carr

[@ChoklitThundah]

@@JacaboBlanco Another great point. A CB might let a receiver run by him in a zone because he’s expecting the safety to be there

[@CarsonClaws]

O Line is one of the hardest positions in the NFL. These guys are absolute units and require insane amount of skill to block 300 pound lineman coming full force at them

[@mr.doctorcaptain1124]

I wouldn't really say any position is harder than any other position tbh. The only exceptions being CB and QB, which are levels beyond all the other positions to play well.

[@deezroastedchestnuts189]

You're in every sports video, with the worst takes. Scrub

[@marlonbrando33]

@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 I would have to add left tackle you're generally going against the best athletes on defense with no help

[@nallen1006]

Its 100% a losing battle too. They are just trying to buy time. And if you mess up the first step, its over. You have to get your feet and hands set perfectly, instantly, every time or you lose. Its no doubt a very difficult position.

[@WhyDoIKeepFuckinUp]

@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 I think CB is the hardest to play. Just my opinion. They’re all amazing athletes though.

[@SeanWalsh1]

The amount of skill required to play oline is insane, footwork, hand placement, assignments, defensive recognition,

[@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo]

Exactly. That position is not easy AT ALL. That lady is off her rocker

[@Uuusssaaas]

And all of those things require millisecond recognition and reaction. Even the slightest hesitation causes very bad things to happen.

[@lrba5524]

these are skills you need at literally any position in football.

[@cincydooley]

Maybe next she’ll tell us Ryan Crouser isn’t skilled because he “just throws a rock.” Lol.

[@user-tu3yv2qn4q]

You gotta be agile to pass protect while on your back foot, strong af to make space in the run game at each level all while being at least 300+ lbs. And alot of those guys carry that weight during the season to aviod injury too hence why they always look slimmer after retirement. You gotta respect the trenches thats where the GROWN men live.

[@BonzoKilbourn]

As a Bears fan, I would simply ask that if it's so easy to an O-lineman why do we have so much trouble finding any who can play.

[@michaelbiscay9836]

"It's a very consistent show, I feel like it's on all the time." What an underrated gem that everyone missed. 🤣

[@WhyDoIKeepFuckinUp]

I did miss that. lol

[@blackalgorithmist000]

😂

[@AllUpOns]

It's called "damning with faint praise" and I love it.

[@AlecLapierre108]

I don't get it

[@blackalgorithmist000]

@@AlecLapierre108 don't worry about it 🤣

[@heybignick9333]

Man what a breakdown of the OL. And when Pat started taking sets at tackle, hilarious 🤣

[@TheWeebinar]

Stink is right, O-Linemen get all of the blame and none of the credit. After Quarterback, Linemen are the most important players on the team and they affect the game more than people realize. Maggie needs to go hit the sled to learn more about blocking schemes, leverage, and footwork.

[@stillsmokntrees]

Refer back to the KC chiefs vs TB bucs superbowl for reference if you don't believe it was over after 1st quarter Chiefs had no O line left for that game.. and we had 2 weeks was a joke

[@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo]

Yea I've heard bad takes on sports before and that's easily up there with some of the worst. She doesn't have a clue how tough the position really is

[@Mytowerisaneiffel]

I’d argue both the o-line and d-line are the most important positions in football. I’ve seen teams win Super Bowls with below average qbs. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a team with a terrible line win. Name of the game, protect your qb and get to your opponents

[@madD8845]

I would go oline as the most important unit on the team. If you can’t block it’s very difficult to do anything. I don’t care who you qb is, if you can’t protect him ur in trouble.

[@renardfox328]

I'm not a betting man. But for a few weeks or so I tried to watch games as if I was placing a bet on them. I made sure to watch two teams I didn't care about outside the division of my favorite team so I wouldn't have any bias. I tried to account for all relevant variables and gave a numbered grading system for each team. Long story short, in most close games the most relevant variable came down to the discrepancy between the offensive and defensive lines of the teams. The talent discrepancy in the line is the first and most crucial variable to account for and will make or break a team's chances, and can only rarely be offset by star QB talent.

[@Jakers80]

I love how he brought up Larry Allen.. that guy was such a beast and I loved watching him play. Arguably, 1 of the best O-linemen to ever play the game.

[@Peakfreud]

That Whole line was one of the best Nate Newton, Erik Williams, Mark Stepnoski, Mark Tuinei Nate Newton was a House. I always wondered how Barry Sanders would have faired behind that line.

[@Jakers80]

@@Peakfreud oh, absolutely. That whole 90's decade of our O-line just decimated and mauled everyone in sight. With Williams and Allen being the crowning jewels of those players we ever had. Not sure about the Barry Sanders thing.. I'd like to think that he might've been better than Smith, or maybe worse.. who knows? I'm of the thought that our O-line helped make Smith what he became.. but, Smith helped make the O-line better too. When Smith held out, we lost those 2 games, and very badly so it had to be Smith so that everything gelled together. Maybe Barry would've had even more yards than Smith had as the holding record but I don't often try and compare the 2 RBs or who was better. They both had their own attributes and so I'm just glad I got to see 1 of the best rushing attack combos of all time.

[@igglesjawn3975]

Erik Williams was badass too.. once Dallas was able to one on one Reggie White it was over for Philly.

[@bigassdummy46]

@@Peakfreud 3000 yards a season

[@Peakfreud]

@@igglesjawn3975 Man, Thank You Erik Williams was not appreciate as much as Nate. But dude was a Monster, but then again Offensive Linemen don't get much attention and fan fare. I actually like and Appreciate the Trench Aspect of the game. And Not Just the Aaron Donaldson and Reggie Whites of the World. Lomas Brown, Randal McDaniel, Bruce Mathews & Bruce Armstrong ...

[@CharlieRogers50]

Ignorant AF. Why do people say this? Because they've never set foot on a football field in their lives and they don't have the slightest clue what they're talking about.

[@joemeade8489]

Dude, when he said, "all the linemen are seperated away from everyone else." Had the craziest flashback of highschool football. Shed a tear

[@Jacob-jq8ox]

Yeah i’m in high school right now I play O line and we literally practice on an entire different field

[@Yoboy22314]

I was forced to play Oline even though my coach knew I was known for athleticism and being able to play positions people my size shouldn’t be in middle school he asked me why I couldn’t block I told him I’ve never put my hand in the dirt unless I was playing down on the Dline he kicked my off the field and said what a waste of time I transferred and rushed for 150 2Tds and 2 sacks with a Ff He called my mother the same night after the game to ask if i would be willing to transfer back 😂😂😂😂 she hung up Now I play for university of South Carolina morale of the story play the position you know you were meant to play and go balls to walls🎉

[@DillonDank]

So you're in college yet can't spell "moral" lol ok buddy don't embrace the stereotype of "dumb jock" too hard.

[@pgc2442]

Mark Schlereth’s takes are 🔥The way he broke down the mindset of OL and how they don’t get a lot of credit was both hilarious and completely on point!! I almost always enjoy his analyses and takes on things.

[@adamlinden2476]

I would love to have a weekly assessment with him breaking down big time offensive line play. Highlight these boys

[@Mauricioromero]

This idea give me chills , yes we need that, please

[@hunteroshman3343]

Yes

[@Shortcircuit220]

Absolutely!

[@submachine4564]

He litterally just made a whole speech about thats not what OL need or want

[@frijol7163]

100%

[@BurtHandsome]

This was by far the nicest way to say she had an incredibly ignorant take, they couldn't just open up and rip into her cuz she's a woman and the backlash would've been insane

[@QuincyMThomas]

PMS chose the classy route. I love this show!!!

[@ShaunHensley]

In fairness I have been hearing the term ‘skill position’ for decades. Which of course implies linemen aren’t skilled positions

[@gunneratijuf8915]

It’s funny hearing women talk about routes. Remember when cam said that. It blew up lost his yougurt deal 🤣

[@mattv4748]

Imagine how big of jerks they would've been if a man said this

[@Triqkshot]

@@ShaunHensley personally would say technique and skill are different things. Skill helps with learning technique but isn’t the end be all. There’s a lot of average athletes playing DL/OL who make up for their lack of skill with intelligence and discipline. When you play something like WR/CB if you aren’t skilled you pretty much have no shot of making it in the NFL. Nobody is going to teach you to succeed at making plays or running past people that’s just a skill you’re either born with or not.

[@michaelsullivan1052]

There is a reason the OL is one of the most intelligent position groups in the NFL. The defense is throwing every scheme at you to beat you and humiliate you. Those guys have to work together and react together. There is so much happening so quickly. Watch a Quenton Nelson highlight reel and see the constant adjustments he makes in a play to make sure everyone gets blocked. Blitzes get picked up. Stunts get handled. How long to stay on a block and when to release and go next level.

[@tiger5869]

I always respected offensive linemen (I played safety), since I knew they did important work and if they weren't functioning it was gonna be a long night, but I never really knew exactly what it is they did beyond being an O in the playbook, so this helped me see some of the technique and skill involved. I loved Pat showing his form and being evaluated by Stink!

[@justaguitarplayer2059]

It’s crazy watching Larry Allen track that guy down after a pick …..like watching a bear run down a deer

[@lvortiz87]

For sure Larry Allen is one of the most dominant and amazing athletes of all time. Go look up Larry Allen running down a LB after an interception 😂 absolute MONSTER.

[@triplebbb1484]

I met Larry Allen few years ago in Livermore CA. He is a huge man and it was truly unbelievable that he ran down a not a DB but a LB.

[@DuragDaboll]

bro ran a 4.2 40 that play no cap

[@sarahwolfe1154]

like look at Joe Thomas. 6'6 310 4 time letterman in track and field, multiple events, played both Oline and Dline in college, never missed a start. An incredible athlete.

[@lvortiz87]

@@sarahwolfe1154 another generational talent for sure. Love Joe Thomas

[@lvortiz87]

@@triplebbb1484 oof my bad! Gotta correct that! That's so cool you got to meet him though! BEHEMOTH

[@Matt-dp7ze]

How to tell that someone has no knowledge of football deeper than what they see on a broadcast every Sunday

[@ONLYALEXISOMAR]

This is why it’s important that you actually performed in the sport that you report on even though that’s probably not the case for most

[@chrischreative2245]

Women will be coaching O and D-lines soon if nfl keeps going direction they are.

[@clipsedrag13]

@@chrischreative2245 they've infiltrated and changed every aspect of life.

[@clipsedrag13]

@@chrischreative2245 and almost everything is worse.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

@@fireupchips81 no, but your grammar is

[@fortniteayeeee]

@@clipsedrag13 are u ever happy? like ever? women becoming more involved in high level sports should be celebrated! why continue to be divisive when we can just judge based on performance.

[@tariqjohnson9421]

I played defensive and offensive tackle in high school. I’ll never forget one day my high school went and did drills against another high school, I beat everyone of their offensive lineman in 1 on 1’s. As soon as we did full line play, they worked so well as a unit me and my other D lineman couldn’t get through. It was honestly super impressive. They weren’t the strongest or fastest but they worked extremely well as a unit.

[@Trenchroach3]

I played both sides of the football in high school, RT and DE and I loved defense way more because it was less technical and I could just smash into people. Offensive line is incredibly hard, you have to balance yourself and create leverage to push the defense but while you’re doing that you have to have good hand placement and you’re also dealing with dudes who are a minimum of 250lbs. Respect the big men

[@user-tu3yv2qn4q]

Hmm I wonder if blocking Aaron Donald or Myles Garrett for four quarters would be "easy"

[@tkuebler9561]

Especially if they had a helmet or two to swing at you.

[@bluefalcon2958]

Yeah no problem. Just give me 2 weeks and I’ll be ready lmao

[@thesecondhalfshow9903]

As a former offensive lineman I love this take. We hear day after day about how quarterbacks and receivers need to develop chemistry and how long with that take etc. O-line chemistry is such a massive part of the position and it rarely gets talked about, it does but rarely. It’s like a 6th sense when your playing it’s hard to describe. I’d say it’s more important on run play than pass plays even, but I digress.

[@Uuusssaaas]

You nailed it.

[@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo]

I played LT in high-school and DREADED every game. There's just so much that goes into being an OL'men and you're dead on, if There's no chemistry you're gonna get chewed up

[@TheoriginalBMT]

It helps to have chemistry no doubt. But if you properly prepare you can bring in a guy off the bench and put him anywhere and survive.

[@Strobobel]

OL are the smartest dudes on the field

[@rbu2136]

Like Ben-Hur…guys are stallions pulling that chariot and must work as a team to win.

[@jruth77]

I’ve played offensive line since 5th grade… currently a senior in college still playing ball. Offensive and defensive line requires so much skill, finesse, technique and other things. It isn’t just pushing on a guy, it’s knowing how to use leverage, angles, hand placement, hand fighting and footwork to gain the upper hand. Games are won and lost in the trenches

[@Uuusssaaas]

Bingo.

[@TheoriginalBMT]

Throw in knowing the offensive plays and how defenses react to alignments both on strategy and skill level. It goes a long way to ensuring you make the right blocks and how. Knowing that one RB you have just hits the hole regardless of room. But another dances a little bit. That determines how much holding of that block you need or where you need to take a block.

[@jruth77]

@@TheoriginalBMT yeah knowing a whole playbook, seeing the picture of what the defense could be doing and so on. Have to be arguably smarter than stronger playing o line

[@mikealtenor23]

Can keep on going big guy trenchmob Oline family

[@mikealtenor23]

Can keep on going big guy trenchmob Oline family

[@jessemeermann860]

I always played D line but my senior year of hs I had to make the switch to O line at right tackle. There is SO much technique involved and so much more that goes into it besides pushing someone around.

[@paulkehnast6362]

Like my coach used to tell us "You have the hardest job with the least credit. You might not score touchdowns and be flashy but the boys with you in the trenches know exactly how you contribute."

[@Tommy9834]

If being an O-linemen didn't require any skill, the NFL would just recruit from strongman competition.

[@zsefton]

They should tho

[@JSZ4000]

@@zsefton for real imagine Brian Shaw snapping the ball

[@Janny890]

fun fact: Mark Henry almost tried out for the Dallas Cowboys before Vince Mcmahon called him.

[@ORagnar]

Brian Shaw would be formidable.

[@garymorel1882]

Anyone remember the two behemoths that boxed Thor and some other monster If they could learn techniques they would be insane probably better on defensive line

[@danielsullivan381]

I’ve never heard anything from Maggie or watched her show and this just confirms that I know what I’m doing.

[@tudeanimation]

I played football and always felt the offensive line was highly skilled. But I never looked at it the way he explained it. Outstanding explanation!

[@DMitch-ny3jb]

Anyone who actually watches, knows and loves football know how important they are and how o linemen are not just “pushing ppl around.” Like he said they work in unison together. There’s pulling guards, double team blocks, cut blocks, learning who to block on screens, knowing who to block on delayed blitzes. It’s not just block who’s in front of u all the time like ppl think!

[@chasenelson5586]

I played guard and center in her highshool. My highschool coach always made an effort to emphasize how great our lineman play was no matter how talented our backs were because he knew we were the backbone to our single wing pro-pistol offence.

[@veganpenguin9857]

Pat thanks for being an honest sports reporter and most times unbiased

[@MM-cs2rt]

Or AFC South/Clots related.

[@juanortuno565]

Apart from being a Colts homer, and understandably so, he's pretty unbiased and unabashedly pro-player.

[@tylerwarman6458]

This is why I love the show! Not only is it hilarious but you’re gonna get real quality information that you won’t get anywhere else

[@jimschaefer1332]

Awesome take. Pat and the boys always find a way to bring in the right guest to find the right way to look at something. Keep it going Pat and the boys.

[@sammywright9965]

My understanding and respect for the o-line juts sky rocketed. Brilliant explanation!

[@nicholasfornshell7362]

The offensive and defensive lines are the foundation of football teams. Without them the skilled players would not be in the spotlight. Whenever I ran the ball for a touchdown I always thanked my lineman for creating the opportunity to score.

[@tylerhenley7848]

She doesn’t have to know anything about football. She checks a box for their network and that’s all they care about these days. That’s why people search out shows like this one.

[@JP-xq7fo]

100% correct take!

[@theplayboi9619]

I love that take Stink has on Larry Allen, he is easily the craziest athletic freak in the NFL the only person I saw that made him look dumb was Reggie White and that was only one play.

[@darrylmitchell4995]

As a former DB, I always hated the amount of disrespect that OL get. Without those 5 guys up front, you have NOTHING. And also lineman today are 300+ pounds and running 4.9s and 4.8s. Put some respect on the big guys

[@elbenji101]

How true is this

[@max-xn3vt]

Nothing better than a passionate conversation about the oline. Give those fellas more respect.

[@josephmyers5057]

Hahaha At first I was all: "Delivering WHAT?!" Then I'm all: "Ooooooohhh, that says *_HOPE_* ."

[@matthewlewis4981]

This is the first time I’ve heard of stink, but I already love this guy! I hope you guys can have him on more often during the season to breakdown some o line highlights. Give the big guys some time in the spotlight Pat.

[@mattrice3993]

Really? He was always on first take a few years ago

[@veenom1979]

Stink is an OG

[@tuttlespeachtree3413]

Umm...,do you even watch football??? Thats Mark Schlereth bro...😅

[@toddgaak422]

@@tuttlespeachtree3413 No kidding. But to be fair, I've never heard him referred to as "Stink" until today.

[@WhyDoIKeepFuckinUp]

Are you young?

[@Mr4thQuarterHD]

If that’s the case the why can’t every big strong man in the world play in the NFL? Every position requires some level of skill & technique.

[@lrba5524]

there's only so many spots

[@eyaffe1]

Because they can’t only be super strong. They need to be able to move like ballerinas. That’s a special type of athlete.

[@rn9854]

remember when brock lesner tried out for the vikings? dude got caught preseason, it's way more than just being big and strong. however the truly ridiculous strong guys like eddie hall and thor bjornsson would be interesting to see play.

[@clarkesmith.]

Cause they don't want to play it? That's not what they want to do???

[@cincydooley]

@@rn9854 lol. Eddie hall would get smoked by Aaron Donald before he could get out of his set.

[@greenman3450]

She is the perfect example of tell me you don't know football by telling me you don't know football

[@JVreemer]

@@OnlyFacts662 whack

[@ryandunn2930]

@@OnlyFacts662 that was a rough read, right?

[@greenman3450]

@@OnlyFacts662 tell me your a grammar Nazi by not telling me your a grammar Nazi

[@hitmanl520]

@@OnlyFacts662 it’s KZbin comments. Who really cares?

[@seanwhitehouse2274]

@@OnlyFacts662 Words hard for some people! lmao

[@swedeswede7762]

Former college and pro here. Played LT @ 6'6 320 and ran a 4.79 in the 40. Glad to hear Stink tell our story.

[@sephuris5555]

Played defensive tackle in high school there is so much more in that position and I have great respect for the guys on the offense because I had to put my skills and abilities again them

[@SpeedStats]

The O-Line is the most underrated position in all sports, as a matter of fact, it's also the most team player position you will ever see. Someone tell me a position in a sport where it is more underrated or is more team oriented?

[@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo]

Can't, because OL is clearly the most undervalued position.

[@TheJladams872]

Tom Brady is average without a great O line.

[@whitewhale9012]

Maybe. Left tackles get paid. The most undervalued position in football, imo, is center. That one guy can be the difference between a good OL and a bad one. Ask the Raiders if they missed Hudson last year.

[@renardfox328]

@@TheJladams872 False. Tom Brady is actually horrible without a great O line.

[@capt.obvious9058]

Baseball catcher

[@5LeafClover12]

As a browns fan, I was able to appreciate the greatness of Joe Thomas for a decade. I learned the importance of the offensive line immediately after he retired 😂

[@kinglyone7172]

I'd argue that the line got better after he left. They've had less turnover at qb.

[@DelGTAGrndrs]

Then Bitonio came in and picked up the chains

[@5LeafClover12]

@@DelGTAGrndrs Bitonio is damn near having a hall of fame career as a guard

[@bobduato4404]

This reminds me of when ninja couldn't understand how kickers miss field goals lol

[@EricLennox]

This was AWESOME Pat! Great fuckin interview. I was a QB bro played guard/center in school. This is fuckin spot on

[@rollotomassi4768]

I love Justin Tuck talking about Larry Allen making the whistle sound.

[@AdolphSaxOfficial]

Pencil thin margin for error. Those guys are truly taken for granted.

[@ThePowerOfOneThePowerOfTwo]

Most undervalued position but easily one of the most important positions on the field

[@aaronhicks8229]

The way pat is just quiet and listens. Makes him a great great great hosts.

[@brandongriffey9474]

She should have left this opinion in the oven.

[@martino5742]

this makes me appreciate coaches like Belichick and Madden even more. "the head coach doesn't even know what we do" unless they used to do it

[@Mach11976]

Great conversation, when I was a kid 13 14 years old my dad built boats. And he sold the boat to Jack rudney who was the center of the Kansas City Chiefs I believe his rookie year was 69. He kind of took me under his wing got to go in the locker room got to meet a bunch of players from that age. And he would tell me about how every play they would try to knock your head off. Just a memory of back in the day.

[@McLeod2022]

Needed to be said and it was very well said. Appreciated the acknowledgement that the O Line is going against better athletes but need to win 100% of the time, and have the cardo and stamina to be on that field with taped up, crooked fingers and feet that can go from stopping the earth from spinning to moving like air. Great interview.

[@dirtybird311]

Stink is a legend!! Great interview!! If all the world was right, guys like him, Roaf, Pace, Slater, Muñoz, Mawai would really get the spotlight.

[@robertnewell4054]

Appreciate the respect sent the Rams way with both Orlando Pace & Jackie Slater on the list

[@dirtybird311]

@@robertnewell4054 Both of those guys set the standard at the position. Slater was one of the greatest to do it.

[@mikebrase5161]

Don't forget Walter Jones also he broke down but Tony Boselli was a beast as well.

[@dirtybird311]

@@mikebrase5161 no doubt. There are too many greats to name. I should have also included one of the greatest ever, Bruce Matthews. Also Bill Fralic, Mike Kenn, and Jeff Van Note

[@mikebrase5161]

@@dirtybird311 Fralic now there is a forgotten one. Going a little further back at guard John Hannah. yep too many greats to list em all.

[@johnnyalvarez6792]

It’s also the best position to watch Shirtless

[@titustitusnation1999]

Fantastic explanation on Lineman... Phenomenal

[@420smokenfly]

One of the best takes on the Oline I've ever heard, fantastic.

[@gundam0079]

Speaks to my soul. 10000000000% O line get none of the recognition and all the blame. Thanks Stink for standing up for all us O line. You got my vote.

[@cactusjack3338]

She probably thinks the wnba are very skillful 😆🤣😂

[@seanwhitehouse2274]

Don't you know wnba players are the best athletes in the world!🤣👍lmfao

[@cactusjack3338]

@@seanwhitehouse2274 right you got to love the thrill of air balls the struggles of not being able to dunk and great fundamentals lol 😆😉

[@thornslow]

Better than both of y'all i guarantee.

[@paulnamalomba194]

It’s called the trenches for a reason, that’s where the best players tough it out and where the game can be easily won or lost, foot positioning, hip mobility, hand placement and knowing the offense/defense in and out…

[@marksieber4626]

Love to hear this guy talk about team line play throughout the year. Most important thing to start with in football least noted.

[@Tyler-rh8mu]

the tagline thing "oh shout out to the big boys nice job out there today" so true 😂😂

[@joesebol1425]

As someone who makes a living talking sports in general and football in particular, Maggie should know better. But let's face it, most announcers and even most coaches and players talk about the O line as 'guys in the trenches' and 'putting a helmet on a helmet' and everyone else being 'skilled players' . . . and on and on. What is the casual fan supposed to think?

[@yoadryanOK]

I think Maggie knew exactly what she was doing.

[@drewtheelephant511]

Shout out to all my former and current O-line men and women. We will keep pushing so people can follow our lead.

[@Dietz18]

I played o line in pop Warner 18 years ago thanks

[@watcherofthewest8597]

OL is the greatest, most selfless, smartest, most technicaly difficult positions in sports, that in the league, can only be played by the biggest, strongest and smartest men in the world

[@adamhill3747]

Hands down the best breakdown about the position I’ve ever heard. Somebody get that man a beer

[@anthonyr8253]

One of the best podcast segments I've seen. Awesome perspective!

[@jacobwatson1406]

Honestly everything you learn as an offensive lineman is taught you can’t say that for other positions 💯

[@kaizenkonversations8337]

Teached? Lol you mean taught or learned

[@jacobwatson1406]

@@kaizenkonversations8337 I mean yeah

[@hitmanl520]

@@kaizenkonversations8337 Geeze the grammar police are out today lol who cares

[@capt.obvious9058]

You can't learn how to be big.

[@XxDanny80xX]

Just watching the documentary of Peyton Mannings O line in INDY. Nuff said. How could she not question it. Peyton not only changed the game mentally but he did it for O-Linemen just as well. They are one of the smartest players in the league. Even ask the linemen that have played for the Shannon’s as well even such for playing with Tom Brady

[@keithhanisek2465]

Strong Woman! She really knows her 🏈 😂

[@porkchop6714]

My High school coach would tell us "Linemen are like janitors, you donlt get noticed until you make a mistake"

[@bigfella9740]

Stink thank you so much I really needed to hear this

[@calvinpoe8379]

The passion Mark still has for football and O-line... After this interview he took some moments and went back to his glory days and day dreamed his finest moments on the field. No matter the sport or topic but when a person speaks with this much passion I am hooked. I could listen to Mark talk all day long.

[@pecanswan]

I don't think she was discrediting the athletic ability of lineman but claiming it's easier for them to learn the playbook. I would imagine the playbook can still be complex for lineman. I played wr and corner in high school and from afar realized that lineman scheme was more complex than I thought. A woman who never played football would be less likely to realize this

[@Tolandruth]

I mean it makes sense from a very basic level you block the guy in front of you. I would say besides kickers its the easiest playbook to learn but I still wouldnt say its easy.

[@zachmadonnawesberry3258]

I played football my whole life including some college but I've never heard anything like this from the perspective of an offensive lineman. It really opened my eyes. That is 100% true about how if the d lineman gets one sack the olineman gets trash talked and the only time their name gets called is when they screw up.

[@brettneedham88]

All us old high school offensive lineman thank you for this 😂😂

[@356z]

I love listening to Mark on the radio, and every other time he talks. It's even better as a Broncos fan

[@rotcehlobo8311]

The disrespect I’ve been hearing about Smith has been nauseating. The man has been dominating at LT in Dallas since he was 20 years old.

[@lennyj2080]

I didn't see the disrespect you mentioned. he was clearly a top 3 tackle for about 6 or 7 years but the last 4 seasons have been marred by missed games, injuries and lower production...that is the facts speaking, not and subjective thoughts, just the facts. As far as all-time great he is not in the group headed my Munoz , Hannah and a very few others in my opinion. I played D-1 O-line and kinda know the greats when I see them.

[@rotcehlobo8311]

@@lennyj2080 never once did I mention him being “an all time great.” Maybe go back and read the original comment.

[@lennyj2080]

@@rotcehlobo8311 Hey Lobo...I was almost halfway agreeing that he was dominant, but mentioned facts pertaining to the lack of playing time over the last four seasons. The guy was great for 6 seasons....not any longer. Few even do that many years.

[@armandopacheco-soto3592]

Anthony Munoz was better at his job than Jim Kelly Steve McNair and and Troy Aikman. Best offensive lineman ever

[@rickiedeesnutz7318]

I'll take Bruce Matthews

[@whitewhale9012]

@@rickiedeesnutz7318 at what position? Just kidding. He was elite at all of them.

[@denisfolcik1373]

As an undersized lineman when I played during school, I had to focus on skill and techniques to even have a chance. You not only have to worry about who you have to block, but those next to you, and where the play is going so you know who to help or who can help you. On offense, besides the QB, the lineman need to be the smartest(football wise) out there.

[@ronthompson95]

I love what he said there. So true. So much wisdom

[@mulkmanto4797]

Played line once in high school as a extra blocking tightend at time I’m 5’11 200 slot receiver/ linebacker the skill needed to block as one is undersold and under appreciate