Shroud gives his opinion on Destiny 2 PvP

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[@YoungCowboy16]

"One class or no class. And only weapons." Hm, that sounds a lot like any fps shooters like call of duty, etc.

[@Belloc_The_Hallow]

Or like halo

[@haramberoth117]

Well tell them to fully balance the game then

[@nathanrigger15]

​​@@Belloc_The_Hallow well technically all FPS shooters are like Halo. Halo 1 pioneered the whole 2 thumbsticks, sticky aim/aim assist, 2 weapon sandbox that basically every FPS game since has followed.

[@Belloc_The_Hallow]

@Nathan Rigger OK so like halo too

[@neetea2]

​@@nathanrigger15doom was the first fps

[@FuzionSlimes]

Shrouds tldr opinion: please make destiny 2 into another cod clone

[@verlinjules1155]

What's tldr?

[@axt_4254]

​@@verlinjules1155to long, didn't read

[@KiraYoshikageOfficial]

@@axt_4254 Bro, verlin’s comment was literally two words. C’mon man. I’m making a joke btw. Also You should have used “too” instead of “to”

[@Nozzinator]

Honestly it'd be better than the mess that is d2's current PvP, but still they should find a way to rebalance the game but maybe not with the one class thing.

[@Suigeneris999]

@@Nozzinator no it wouldn’t. Destiny pvp isn’t the best but it’s unique because of the abilities you have. Why would you want basically a version of black ops 3 in destiny?

[@andrew4446]

Shroud on his way to make every game like valorant or cod

[@mlugo9]

Bro does NOT know what he’s saying 😭😭😭🔥🔥🔥

[@exhoduz7746]

destiny 6s should be guns only lol, 6s would actually be decent if that was the case

[@Suigeneris999]

@@exhoduz7746 except destiny isn’t a normal fps game. Quit trying to say abilities should be gone, it’s not fucking call of duty.

[@Kizen.]

​@exhoduz7746 No they wouldn't. Everyone would play with pulses and scouts and shotguns. You would singlehandedly kill pvp. I can tell you never top the leaderboard.

[@mike64411]

@@Kizen. people already ape around with Shotgun’s still and even with ability spam the way it is there’s 0 reason why you couldn’t just use scout and Pulse rifles other then the fact that scout rifles are shit and hand cannons have the same range as pulse rifles still since like all of these maps are mid-close range. There’s like 2-3 maps that could actually use scout rifles and the moment the other team stops fighting “outside” and decides to go “inside” you’re suddenly running a hand cannon again or a SMG because it’s just so damn close.

[@TheInstinctWithinV2]

​@@exhoduz7746 No.

[@Extraamedium]

"Make this game like every other game I play so it's palatable to me"

[@slytactician9297]

The dedicated pvp team isnt a bad idea. A destint version of gun game could be fun-ish as a mode. But he def loss credibility with the ine class thing lmao

[@slimeblood-]

Yeah, literally

[@LocTsun]

Dude most of the destiny player base hates pvp

[@mcphilosoraptor7310]

Well considering the overwhelming majority of the d2 fan base hates the pvp maybe the a pro fps player has a point

[@tylerhogan73]

@@mcphilosoraptor7310 he would be a god amongst men if he decided to take the game seriously

[@emanuelzarate785]

Let’s rebalance and take all the things that make destiny 2 away

[@id1550]

Honestly I think the things that make destiny 2, inherently destroy pvp. You can’t play this game only as a pvp player. You have to play pve to get specific guns you need. Abilities make this game not appealable to people who are into normal fps games. I believe if bungie actually wants people to play pvp, they need to simplify it. For me, I don’t play pvp because of abilities. I’m pretty good at fps games, but that habit of relying on gun play does not carry over well in this game when taking abilities and supers into consideration.

[@localblackman5970]

@@id1550 the thing that makes destiny 2 pvp destiny 2 pvp are the abilities and supers. It also makes sence that youd need to at least play the pve side of destiny to get weapons

[@Ghost_0652]

@@id1550 people play destiny because it is different from other fps games the problem is that they are terrible at balancing things and always will be

[@riothegod1831]

@@localblackman5970 nah bruh what makes destiny pvp is gunplay. abilities and supers were HARDLY a problem in d1, and why did people still play? gunplay

[@localblackman5970]

@@riothegod1831 you must be joshing me bruh. Every fps has gunplay, although none will ever feel the same they all have a unique feel. But what really sets destiny apart from other fps games? Its the abilitys

[@eliaspanayi3465]

Destiny isn't supposed to be balanced, it's supposed to be fun

[@wiu1989]

unbalanced isnt fun

[@RandomGuy-ci9nt]

​@@wiu1989 Depends

[@Potatoman023]

@@wiu1989 do you play destiny? That shit is fun

[@wiu1989]

@@Potatoman023 PvE's great but the PvP in D2's a joke 💀

[@zgriizz]

@@wiu1989 skill issue

[@spikedclown3163]

Don’t let sweat Lord pros dictate how games are made or balanced 😂 ….especially destiny

[@osutk6560]

In pvp? It's better than some old head complaining about hunter dodge and the stompees nerf. Now I'm forced to use a ability spam exotic

[@gamersoftheworld1831]

"Why don't they just make this story game a pvp game guys?"

[@riioas5543]

He’s talking about how they should change the pvp genius… not anything to do outside of pvp…🤦🏽

[@fang4853]

Ong pvp saved destiny 1 so its more then a story game. And if this is peak story by god help you. Its not the story thats keeping it alive its the loot

[@gamersoftheworld1831]

@@riioas5543 that emoji makes you feel pretty smart huh

[@shadowvurta1624]

@@fang4853 coping hard. People don’t buy DLCs for PvP.

[@caseylarcombe3894]

@@shadowvurta1624 I mean there's plenty of people that buy DLCs for Trials access, I feel bad if you actually bought ligthfall for that dumpster fire of a story

[@roberthubka2159]

Shrouds idea is basically let’s take the destiny out of destiny

[@JustTurbz]

So essentially halo, he wants halo.

[@anon.3177]

Nobody tell him about apex. Man would have a heart attack 😂

[@NullAndVoided]

Hard pass on all of the above

[@ethanhensley9355]

Except for maybe a pvp team

[@SIC-zh3bl]

​@@ethanhensley9355 Yeah, only viable idea he gave

[@nanosmokex6998]

The PvP team is the only good idea

[@evil80]

and i mean HARD pass

[@bobdolespen]

Let's just make Destiny not Destiny. They need to remove SBMM , prioritize connection, release new maps and content and that's all it needs. PVP in Destiny 2 doesn't need to try to be an esport, it just needs to be FUN AND REWARDING. It's a looter shooter not an esport, it's OK if PVP is straight up crazy as long as its fun (i.e. no cheaters, no teleporting laggers from 1/2 way across the world and no SBMM forcing every game to be a slow sweaty slog)

[@iHudo8430]

Holy a guy who is speaking straight facts I love your thoughts for pvp really does sound amazing is it too much too dream for sadge

[@dashdobar2345]

As a shitty pvp player who wants to play pvp for trials and iron banner the SBMM has made crucible a lot more enjoyable recently. But as a mainly pve guy I understand the pvp aspect of it so I just want a mix between the two. Like give me the best connection with people who are not sweats like me cause seriously despise pvp

[@TheCabalOnMars]

A lack of sbmm isn't fun and rewarding, it ends in me getting steamrolled over, and over, and over again because the fresh outta flawless team rolls up on me and a group of blueberries for fifteen matches straight. Not fun, glad they implemented it so at least I know the adept immortal suckers are on my level, and outplaying them is an option. 😊

[@razorsharp9850]

This

[@XXnoblev2XX]

Yet it does lag. Exotics with extended melee range has people rubber banding all over the place. Killing someone and than dying to them half a second later from a melee attack. Dedicated servers and a team focusing on PvP purely will fix everything, including adding new maps and balancing the clearly overwhelming special weapons and ability spam. There should really be a game mode that has reduced ability recharge rates.

[@Coff33Drink3r02]

In my opinion Shroud is one of the few people on the planet who shouldn't be allowed to have opinions

[@SkibilityGaming]

Shrouds idea sounds more like year 1 destiny 2 that we all know how well that did for the playerbase

[@dredgendorchadas6770]

Funny how I don't recall him playing back then

[@druharris6974]

literally the classes and abilities are what make destiny destiny, the pvp specific team should definitely be a thing tho

[@KingWillGK]

A guns-only game mode that featured once every few weeks for crucible would actually be cool.

[@shanman3]

such a stupid cod take

[@Potatoman023]

@@shanman3 agree, same shit with the no build for Fortnite. I will be pissed if they ever did a no ability for destiny. Abilities is what makes destiny destiny, if people dont like it you have cod, csgo, valorant, apex, as traditional fps games

[@shanman3]

@@Potatoman023 well said broski

[@riioas5543]

Should be available all the time so people don’t always have to play against ability spamming meta crunching bots with no actual skill 😂

[@riioas5543]

@@Potatoman023 I’m sorry some people would like a game mode that you actually need skill for, I know that’s hard to grasp for someone like you.

[@kylo7118]

Yeah, he knows what's best. He's been playing D2 all this time, not like he didn't just return.

[@Edge8829]

He’s a professional player that won a lot of multiplayer competitions. I think he knows bro😂

[@kylo7118]

@@Edge8829 That doesn't matter? Idk what he plays, but someone who is a pro in cod let's say isn't going to know what's best in destiny. That makes no sense lol

[@InvisibleBiscuit]

@@kylo7118 cod??

[@Spook85]

​@@InvisibleBiscuit call of duty, you doughnut 🍩

[@InvisibleBiscuit]

@@Spook85 nah I know what cod is.. Shroud is a pro cs go and valarant player. Only played warzone for fun and was still a beast.

[@smokedogg5940]

if they are going to listen to anyone its going to be people like zk not shroud :L

[@cerebralassassin2185]

I think there's better streamers to listen than both of them lol.

[@smokedogg5940]

@@cerebralassassin2185 yeh maybe but feedback from a person who plays pvp every day compared to a guy who jumped on the game for views is a big difference lol

[@InvisibleBiscuit]

@@smokedogg5940 destiny pvp**

[@derrickwoods-wq4kk]

Shroud is way more solidified than ZK his history on FPS games is ridiculous the crowd he would bring to D2 alone is why they def would listen to him.

[@throwawayaccount1029]

@@derrickwoods-wq4kk but they made a game and they aren't going to just change it due to some more people watching it, they have created a universe and won't just dump it bc shroud wants every game to be like COD

[@NationalEligraphic]

Nah man. This ain’t about to be like call of duty. Destiny still maintains its creativity and I love that. Playing against people with literally complete different weapons and powers is amazing and interesting. He just wants things to be more like call of duty and basic.

[@MIKlLLA]

Also, Destiny pvp is so different to anything else. It seems the only similarities with other games is the 1st person pov, and the pvp modes. Gun play, armor, classes, aspects, stats, perks, abilities, subclasses, movement etc etc etc. So many variables, not even including PvE content and how that influences the sandbox. The game will always be in a really good state or a really bad state. That's the nature of high variables.

[@faded1887]

Black ops 4, overwatch, valorant all fps games with different class abilities and ultimate and are fps

[@johndufrene6250]

@@faded1887 none of those play the same as Destiny 2 PVP. They may have some aspects or similarities, but they aren’t anywhere near the same.

[@faded1887]

@@johndufrene6250 that’s what I meant, is that they all have similar aspects, if we’re talking about feel though the feel of the game is literally halo

[@MIKlLLA]

@@faded1887 I disagree. I think halo is way slower. Less dynamic

[@faded1887]

@@MIKlLLA the core feel is literally halo my boy, it’s how bungie made it

[@A_Typhlosion]

Shroud doesn't know the game enough at all to give a relevant opinion. With the state of crucible now, the most comepative changes they could do js no exotics, standardize stats across the mode with say all players having tier 7 in everything in spite of armor, and maybe have it even be guns only. (that's probably too far) Changes like this would be the best way to "fix" pvp, especially if it's only in comp. That way you can still have all classes compete with strengths and weakness while subclasses are treated as characters that can be independently buffed and nerfed as needed with enough variance between the main classes to still have trade offs. However the primary issue with sweeping changes like that is that simply put is a lot of work and its a hard sell for bungie to put that much effort into a mode that fundimentaly brings no direct revenue in since its open to even FtP players. Additionally comp would get very stale very quickly since exotics and to a lesser extent Stat distribution are the main things that vary from player to player. Especially the more competitive those players are. That's why seeing something like a warlock with tarrahba, ophidians, on dawn blade is more likely than seeing someone running sweet business which a exotic you are given immediately as a new light. The primary shake ups that would affect leader would either be whole class reworks like when the light 3.0s dropped or a new subclass all together like Strand. Something that doesn't really fix the issue since the several month period each season is would be its own set in stone meta only slightly shifting as new exotics are discovered like when a raid drops, provided that exotic is both hard to get and meta defining. TL:DR Shroud really shouldn't be giving balance advice on a shooter/sandbox he has played in for barely even double digit hours in.

[@snowwolf5489]

Yes Shroud, let's rebalance an entire game and franchise to be more focused on an activity that takes up less than 10 percent of the total game. We shouldn't just let it be it's own game, we *must* make all games with any pvp the exact same as each other so they all suck.

[@rexcristallospada6496]

"Dude why dont they take out the diversity and just make it NOT DESTINY?"

[@andypeesto3567]

I'm so glad the creators at Bungie have a much bigger imagination than that

[@arturoalvarado7890]

Shroud expects for the game to adapt to him rather than him adapt to the game

[@davidspearim5552]

He wants every game to be a cod like Like the games he plays

[@fallenphoenix148]

@@davidspearim5552 no games he plays are like cod

[@hexbrennisteinn]

Only guns? I'm not against it but this isn't call of duty. If you want only guns just go play cod.

[@jagason7494]

Everyone says that but idk if guys actually played cod cause even if it’s guns only destiny 2 is still completely different

[@Reezico]

"lets make this game like everyother pvp game" LOL. ngl, that take was complete ass.

[@Reezico]

btw, pvp will never be great. Bungie sucks at pvp. Thats another reason why they sold the IP for Halo.

[@andrewpaschall8992]

​@@Reezico that's not at all why Bungie "sold" the halo ip nor is crucible guaranteed to be bad

[@squishymusic2408]

Why would we remove abilities? That’s literally destiny? If u want to improve something ability’s and class should be the priority imo . And I frankly think the gun system is alright rn u just need to find what ur comfortable with

[@Tsuki_the_canadian_otaku]

I agree guns are in a good spot rn, abilities needs to be tweaked a bit but not outright removed

[@stormbreaker504]

No thank you im fine

[@joshblevins3126]

If you ever feel useless, just remember this guy just records other people's content and sits and watches it again like he's providing something.

[@anthonytigris2049]

This is why PVP is second to PvE. They built destiny for PVE and PVP is just for fun. I feel like pvp players are jumping for hope because shroud is saying something about pvp.

[@davidspearim5552]

But they built This game around the story

[@andrewpaschall8992]

Not a single pvp player thinks shroud said anything of value outside of a dedicated team

[@riioas5543]

@@andrewpaschall8992 anyone who’s actually good at the game has been screaming for non ability type game mode, it would actually take skill instead of the ability spamming bots lol

[@andrewpaschall8992]

@@riioas5543 Source: Trust me bro

[@tylormobley4482]

Shows that no matter what pvp centric game you hail from, D2 is wayyy more complex and in depth than any other

[@chrismonterubio9475]

For being one of the best PvP players in the world, Shroud can’t snipe for shit.

[@Edge8829]

Garantee he’s better then you in every way

[@VirtualXIV]

Not used to all that flinch lol 😆

[@andrewbianchi6914]

@@VirtualXIV do other games not have as much/any flinch? I don’t really play any other fps so that’s surprising to me

[@andrewpaschall8992]

​@@andrewbianchi6914 other games have flinch but destiny's is far more severe compared to CSGO and valorant where in acts much more like recoil

[@andrewbianchi6914]

@@andrewpaschall8992 very goofy, I noticed recently Fortnite doesn’t have any and it actually messed up my sniping cuz I compensated for a mechanic that isn’t there lol

[@Alucardpred]

Guns only would be fantastic, haven’t touched destiny for like 6 months now, totally worth it, used to be my favorite game.

[@thatalleycat]

That dudes a 🤡

[@akaoz2617]

I think they should seperate pvp and PvE like how most games do it.

[@rockstarskolas]

That’s the kind of opinion that makes me think “Y’know, maybe we oughta get rid of that pesky first amendment”

[@jaredtaylor2062]

He comes from the COD competitive world, we don’t need those opinions on destiny. It’ll ruin the game since the PVP is a secondary role in Destiny

[@kaiba444]

Shroud plays d2 for the first time in how many years? He knows all he is the prophet

[@Yaposaurus]

Keep destiny pvp how it is we just need a better loot pool more maps and different modes

[@ashtenbahr646]

Wait there isn’t even a pvp team ?? 😂

[@evolve8446]

Obv not, you see how bad pvp is rn.

[@joshuaharris2214]

With only guns, there is really a use for the ghosts since they give us powers. The ghosts would then be limited to just reviving us

[@externalboss9404]

Saying Destiny getting rid of classes, is like say Warframe should get rid of Warframes.

[@Cassernn]

Yep

[@CaptainDV]

Destiny 2 PVP without classes is just Halo PVP With weaker Shields and faster movement.

[@brandonsmiley13]

The abilities are the only thing that separates this game from every other FPS.. i think the uptime being changes like they did on checkmate is a good balance.

[@HibiscusOrchid]

Almost exactly what Bungie intended to do moving from Rise of Iron to Red War.

[@talon-il7xk]

Shroud is saying everything lucky has said 10x over the years

[@shiraori5450]

No, but also something like the Call of duty launcher where you can launch separate games is a really good idea, because if you don't want to play PvP you don't have to have it downloaded, I recently started playing cold war zombies and was pretty happy that I didn't have to own campaign and multiplayer, it's really nice to have the extra space, maybe if this ever became a reality we could get something like Destiny|Destiny year 1 dlc| TTK|ROI|D2|D2 year 1 dlc| Forsaken|Current year|PvP|etc.

[@Bart-man88]

They have a dedicated pvp team they have been working on marathon for that last 2 years

[@mrsirlance-]

guys it’s for game to not always be competitive we can just have fun

[@Sniffyborder]

Bungee should have a dedicated pvp team that actually play the game

[@PurplePanda394]

99% of shrouds opinions are about him wanting the game to be top of the line competitive. Destiny will never be that way for many reasons. Shrouds cool and all, but this opinion is an L take

[@remidiy_]

Bro basically said “make this Apex but with stompees”

[@Ryoneru1417]

Static PVP rolls for every Gun and Power Weapons. Keep Abilities at limited amount and only can be activated like a Power weapon. No supers.

[@monsunoguy19]

I'm personally of the idea that there should either be crucible specific loadouts like old-school Halo or the ability to pick up the weapons of dead enemies like cod. Nobody can complain about God rolls when you either have the same load out or take it from someone else.

[@Smartinez718]

Honestly, at this point, we as a Fandom need to pick. You will never see the balance people want with the power fantasy that brought us to the game in the first place. No one during the marketing phase of D1 said that they hoped this game focused on gun play. We had that in Halo, CoD and dozens of other shooters. We all came for the power fantasy. I remember people saying this looked like Halo and Mass effect had a baby. Many still play the game because we enjoy the power fantasy. If this game were to eliminate classes and go guns only, I am confident that it would lose more players than it ever has after any of its many drastic changes. I would, however, support a game mode. Just one mode that eliminates all abilities and restricts all of us to one set weapon and the same perks on said weapon. I remember a mode like that in Halo, and I loved it. I didn't play it every day, but any time someone got to talking smack about loadouts and power weapons being the reason they lost, we challenged them to that mode.

[@TBreaux1387]

People like shroud and other twitch streamers are the reason that average players like myself who don’t enjoy sweating their way through every piece of content in the game now get to deal with ridiculous light level caps on standard activities, not to mention the horrible pvp experience that already exists…. Particularly in trials…. Pretty sure the majority would be better off if bungie didn’t listen to the opinions of such a tiny percentage of the player base.

[@ishaanjani8538]

I like abilities and multiple classes. It prevents it from being a boring shooter

[@SkylarSyankorb-oy8cy]

Just add a "lightless" playlist no fancy schmansy light just guns but that would be hella boring and get removed almost immediately

[@YamaMX]

When everyone references COD instead of Halo, those are the ones that are really misguided. Stripped down Destiny would resemble a Halo titles thanks to the movement, TTK and modified BLAM engine. It would simply have a huge sandbox in comparison. A mode like this is coming, called Checkmate and a lot of us have wanted it forever. The games core is nothing like COD. Bash Shroud all you want, but mistaking Destiny’s core this bad is worse, especially from those that play the game.

[@AcolyteOfDantioch]

Dedicated pvp team sounds like the game will live forever then

[@johngrantham4862]

Destiny isn’t a PvP game though, it’s a PvE game that just happens to have a PvP mode.

[@ST._Trinas_Torch]

As someone who used to be top 2% in control, the pvp needs an absolute overhaul of changes, including making exotics feel more exotic amd instead of disabling broken things like lorentz drivers perk or lucky pants effect, they should just have different effects you can toggle like aeon's. Have one specific ability for pvp and one for pve, lucky pants for example can do this: (perk name) "illgally modded cylinder" **When you ready a fully loaded Hand Cannon that deals Kinetic damage or a damage type that matches your subclass energy type, each hit from that Hand Cannon refunds the bullet while the buff is active.** As a warlock main this would piss me off BUT it would truly make the armor exotic in pvp because no other exotic does that or has that feature to balance it out, currently lucky pants is useless in pvp so that's just my take on a balancing idea. Changable effects depending on pve vs pvp. Gunplay meeds more balancing but the exotics need more first and so does poor old gambit😂 but bungie needs to be more creative, maybe give warlocks some form of anteus wards lol, a frontal arc sheild when using the Kamehameha that passivly builds "static charge" that increases the size of the blast or something lmao

[@nonbankmallard9928]

“They should change this game to fit games that I like so I’ll play it more”

[@Attacktheabe]

As a pve main, whatever makes you guys happy

[@Snotzalotz]

Yeah, I do pvp maybe a few times a year, if there’s iron banner, or a good adept in Trials I’ll try and go flawless, but let’s be honest here PvE is what makes destiny, Destiny, it’s the best game in its genre and is one of the best games around right now, has its flaws, but there’s absolutely nothing that compared to getting 6 friends and doing a raid.

[@andrewpaschall8992]

As a pvp player shroud is completely wrong

[@DrGersh01]

Yea let's take more advice from pvp sweats about how to improve the rest of the game 😂

[@quickmotions3625]

This is the type of guy who tries to give you advice on how to get a girlfriend when he’s single

[@vChilly]

Personally I always wanted to see a straight up weapons only mode and see how that plays out, obviously with weapons like immortal constantly being everywhere you walk it may not be fun but I would want to see how it plays out without ability spam.

[@Dogfresh]

Accuracy based matchmaking would fix it. You can truly tell who is using chronos.

[@O-bearer-mine]

Accuracy rates sounds like an OK idea, we just need to be a tad mindful of whether intentionally shooting at a wall can affect the stats

[@logooniguy1426]

They just need to balance the game to favor the guns more rather than scrap all the abilities. Make characters less spongy and minimalize the absolutely insane healing and defence effects that some normal ass abilities can do and D2 pvp would be so freakin fun. My favorite mode by far is momentum control because it really edges more toward gunplay skill rather than taking a titan bubble bath, playing dodgeball with warlocks, and playing freeze tag with hunters.

[@KiLLJOY1056]

"please make this game exactly how I like it instead of what it is"

[@kowaretatelesto4253]

One balance change I could see it loadout locking. It's pretty annoying to play pvp and do well, just to see the enemy team switch on "Meta" weapons to secure the win. This is especially prevalent in trials. Was winning a game of 3-0 and suddenly the whole team decided to switch it up and put on immortals, Jotunn, le monarque and witherhoard and BXR. Switching your loadout in the middle of a game shouldn't be allowed as it literally allows players to crutch on certain gear if needed. And another balance change I keep thinking about is "No Exotic" weapons. That way it's just legendary guns (switch are all still great) but now you won't feel like "Wow I just lost that gunfight because he used that exotics perk to secure the win." Etc

[@xainte13]

Sounds like an opinion from someone who plays lots of shooters with uncustomizable characters. He doesn't like the fact that you can create a totally custom build for your class, but he likes the guns and gameplay. Seems like the whole idea of Destiny went right over his head.

[@minchacaalex2125]

What Shroud said is called "Common Sense"

[@mutafuka-vj3ky]

I disagree completely. I love how it’s totally different from other shooters and you can use you own abilities with your own techniques that’s are only for your type of character or subclass. I just wished they focused more on pvp updates and rewards.

[@samkoch1038]

I think a guns only game mode would be pretty interesting

[@michu020398]

Imagine taking any of shroud’s opinions seriously ☠️

[@jonofthedawnn]

Here after I heard about the new "PvP strike team" they're adding to Destiny 2 🎉

[@itsreapernecrosis2215]

It doesn't need to have what it has taken away. However. The game does need a barebones mode. No supers, grenades and abilities are picked up from the map, along with weapons. Everyone starts with the same gun. Focus more on the gunplay and controlling and locking down parts of the map for weapon pickups and stuff.

[@VelvetBlades]

Be interesting to have a gun only playlist, kinda like the opposite of mayhem. Maybe it just rotates once per season, just for funzies

[@ryderjames6148]

Lol I’ve been playing this game for 7 years and didn’t even know there wasn’t a dedicated pvp team until just now

[@chrisbarnesbarnes8332]

He basically just said make the game Call of Duty

[@terracrafting9584]

What make this game unique? Yeah we can’t have that

[@jakejones4801]

I’ve been wanting guns only for years. The crucible is just who has abilities. Oh and who has a special weapon

[@Slickman5467]

Destiny needs a matchmaking for all activites. Downloading a entire app off the app store to find a team is ridiculous.

[@stephenjohnston6292]

That’s what makes destiny different ! I would personally like a mode where there is no supers and that’s all really

[@exhoduz7746]

different doesn’t mean good, pvp has been on a constant decline since witch queen 🫠

[@chrisb.9083]

He wants every game to play like csgo.

[@Trixxx_Flixxx]

It would be cool to see things change depending on if ur in pvp or pve, kinda like how in warframe mechanics change completely in conclave. It's a nice thought but probably won't be done

[@mackncheese1683]

And how many people actually play the PVP in Warframe?

[@Trixxx_Flixxx]

@MackNcheese the point wasn't about the amount of ppl that play, it was about pointing out other games can make pvp only mechanics so destiny definitely can as well, they just most likely won't

[@dozasixfox8371]

That's why you make either PVE build or PVP build

[@XD_bchnn]

Primary only. I hate random people when I’m last alive getting power ammo and giving me 0 chance at winning when the span gl or rocket.

[@alexwigand6905]

If destiny was largely pvp focused only and dropped their pve content a lot of people would leave for sure

[@ERoossien]

There should be a guns only game-mode. Ability spam and power difference in supers is just too much sometimes. Or make your abilities charge at 50% speed.

[@revo2321]

They should do guns only and everyone should have the same guns and same status.

[@terraneous.]

Destiny 2 pvp has been garbage since they changed special ammo. Putting shotguns and fusion rifles into special ammo effectively killed any actual skill in the game. All you need to be good at pvp is to get a max range shotgun with hunter and boom your already good at pvp. D2 has the worst pvp in terms of skill out right now. If they switched it back to shotguns/fusions/snipers/rockets for heavy ammo and forced people to actual get good the game could maybe be good again.

[@oFiGuReZo]

Shroud’s opinion has become less then worthless to me anymore

[@BKnight-sx5pc]

“We will even suck c to protect this game😭” Litreally every d2 players

[@cameronsalmon1314]

This aged well

[@gabrialharris4381]

All competitive pvp modes should use a neutral subclass, kinetic or something, very stripped back