Shroud Of Turin PROVEN Real? Expert Analysis On New X-ray Evidence

Many Christians believe that the Shroud of Turin reflects an image of the resurrected Jesus. In this interview, I sit down with Russ Breault, a Shroud of Turin researcher and lecturer, to break down the new x-ray evidence that dates the Shroud to the time of Jesus.
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[@WRITEMEAMELODY]

It is the most beautiful story we could ever hope to hear. He defeated death and the grave all because he loves us... WOW thank you Jesus 🥹🙏🤍

[@user-pt8cx8hg3i]

Lucky us then...

[@DelticVideo]

THIS HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD Jesus was not buried in a robe but in STRIPS OF CLOTH and his head was wrapped SEPARATE with a cloth, and JESUS DID NOT HAVE LONG HAIR, so this robe is TOTALLY FAKE, And all false religions are LIARS teaching a MYTH

[@WRITEMEAMELODY]

@@user-pt8cx8hg3i blessed are we

[@jeffrendell]

Jesus did the first ever selfie.

[@pewpaws]

How does this not have a million thumbs up?

[@Sirach144]

@@pewpawsbecause it only has 4500 views

[@theautodidacticlayman]

@@Sirach144😆

[@pewpaws]

@@Sirach144 I snipped it and put it on my facebook.

[@Sirach144]

@@pewpaws but do you have 1 million followers on Facebook?

[@sonofjay817]

It seems to me that God left us a literal photograph of Jesus at the instant of Resurrection and, if true, that is the most amazing discovery of human history. Nothing else comes close.

[@RUGRAF-rf8fi]

Not if It is real

[@topgunaudio7983]

All it proves is that the cloth is old! Ageing occurs also due to mishandling so the age could be way out. The image is wrong anyway (arm length) which suggests art and even if could be dated to 1st century no proof it is Jesus so a long long way to go!

[@sonofjay817]

@@RUGRAF-rf8fi I assume that you meant to say "isn't"?

[@ploppysonofploppy6066]

Or it's just a painting. Actually, it's just a painting.

[@sonofjay817]

@@ploppysonofploppy6066 Actually no. That's sort of one of the first things that gets disproven. Did you even watch the video?

[@mannysspumps9924]

Our great King and Lord Jesus Christ is as real as we humans are breathing! Lord Jesus Christ your people love you dearly and are awaiting your glorious return. We love you Lord!! ❤🙏✌❤

[@808bigisland]

No gods. There is no scientific evidence Jeebus existed. They lie hard.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

2000 years and counting! But worry not, faithful believers - daddy is coming back with the milk any minute now.

[@mannysspumps9924]

@@FrikInCasualMode 🤭🤥

[@manamanathegreat4986]

@FrikInCasualMode he's 720,000 days late already.... but "The end times are upon us".

[@RaySanders-vp2ql]

@@FrikInCasualMode The Shroud of Turin has been proven to be a forgery. The Christian Church is grasping at straws to prove that their god is not imaginary like all the other gods people worship.

[@johnrestucci8269]

To those who believe no proof is necessary; to those who don’t believe, no proof is sufficient…

[@sigurdholbarki8268]

There are those in the middle who still need a shove, St Thomas for instance

[@thewhole_picture1743]

Yeah, cognitive dissonance.

[@savedbygrace6853]

A believer in 'the Way' only instruction is to tell the Gospel - not to argue with non believers. They have heard and choose not to believe- that's the choice everyone has to make...acceptance or rejection. Jesus said some wouldn't believe even if someone returned from the dead. As for me and my house we will honor the Triune God of the Bible!

[@user-lc1hs3yv8x]

Amen

[@tomjohnson7622]

Ain't that the truth.

[@borneandayak6725]

The only religion that have the real face of their God.

[@user-pt8cx8hg3i]

SO?

[@DelticVideo]

JESUS IS NOT GOD Jesus was not buried in a robe but in STRIPS OF CLOTH and his head was wrapped SEPARATE with a cloth, and JESUS DID NOT HAVE LONG HAIR, so this robe is TOTALLY FAKE, And all false religions are LIARS teaching a MYTH

[@chrischris3922]

@@user-pt8cx8hg3i so the only real god

[@JamesThompson-vs4kg]

Of god

[@dirkryan5962]

@@user-pt8cx8hg3i ya, big whoop, right? just a photograph of the Creator of the universe. it's not like the Blessed Sandals of Muhammad or anything.

[@michaelmulholland927]

Blessed is he who has not seen yet still believes.

[@Mister_Jimmy]

Blood type on Shroud of Turin: AB Blood type on Sudarium of Oviedo: AB Blood type on over 100 Eucharistic Miracles: AB

[@hypnopompicstate9910]

Wow.

[@praveendsouze]

Blood type AB+ (AB positive) are referred to as universal recipients, I mean he receives all our sin on him.

[@enderwiggen3638]

Only about 4% of people have that type

[@zlatni_orao]

I have AB too

[@marisacruz2007]

And how ironic that it's a universal blood type!

[@valerieprice1745]

It's not just a photograph. It's a photo negative. Photography with film produces a negative image which has to be rendered positive in another step of developing the photo. The Shroud image is a photo negative from before the age of photography. There are no examples of photo negative images in art before the age of photography. The Shroud is obviously the burial cloth of Christ.

[@fordsrestorations970]

Experimentations in photography took place over the centuries. Early experimentations we're done by drilling a hole in a wall and letting the light reflect refract through it that an artist could get a rough sketch. Artist also had other simple instruments that would take a image of a live person then refracted onto a canvas trace sketch it, then would later be filled in with paints producing a life-size image of the person . Throughout the years they started treating pieces of cloth canvases with Solutions and chemicals that would speed up the image time.

[@valerieprice1745]

@@fordsrestorations970 go to school. American education is a scandal. I don't waste my time on people who jump in with nonsense. Show me your sources for any photographic process from the 1st Century, or any time before the 1800s. Find an example of photonegative art from before the age of photography. You can't argue from supposition or speculation. You're making a truth claim. You need evidence.

[@HolyKhaaaaan]

In the Roman Empire?

[@kingyeshua89]

@@fordsrestorations970phahaha😂😂😂 u mean 7 hundred years ago😂😂 in what reality are u livin?!

[@fordsrestorations970]

@@valerieprice1745 if you ever heard of the Antique Business , then you will know that you can still buy these 2000 year old burial Strouds today , in fact you can buy 2 , 3 , 4,000 year old swords Shields, helmets, leather goods , coins, bowls, vases, etc. etc. As we all studied in the 5th and 6th grade that Leonardo was a master Forger , he would use actual artifacts from ancient days and then recreate them into the piece that he desired. As you know that he earned most of his money from selling forgeries to Catholic churches throughout Europe and the Middle East.

[@TheSulross]

What really has always nailed this down to being the authentic burial Shroud of Jesus of Nazareth and a physical artifact of the resurrection event is the nature of the image captured on the linen shroud - in terms of the physical science involved. It is a photograph negative image as caused by a electromagnetic energetic source. This is established by fact there is no pigment or dye responsible for the image but instead the very fibers of the linen cloth got altered at the molecular level by the radiating source of energy. And only top most fibers in direct linear line-of-sight with the radiating source are so altered. The fibers at underlying layers are not so altered. If there were any other manner of cause of this image - paint pigment, dye, application of chemical substance, then there would have been bleed through that would have affected the underlying fibers. Only a radiating energy source directed at the linen shroud would cause an impact only on the top most fibers. Now photo sensitive materials were discovered by humanity in the early 1800s and thus the technology of photography was born. However, linen is not the least bit photo sensitive. Consequently, it requires an extraordinary energy source in order to generate a photograph negative on linen cloth. But the catch is that if such a powerful radiating source persisted for too long a period of time, then it would cause the incineration of the linen cloth material. Clearly this mechanism - per the negative image captured on the Shroud - was not attended by any incineration of the the linen fibers. Consequently the time pulse duration of the energy source had to be both extremely powerful, at an appropriate frequency to best register on the material of linen fibers, and of a very minute duration of time so as not to combust the Shroud. It had to be extremely finely tuned or balanced in respect to these three factors. Where else have we seen such extreme fine tuning or balancing practically defying human comprehension? Well, that is the very enigma of our Universe as there are many science books that have been written on the subject matter of the fine tuning of the physical constants and other physical law relationships that enable our Universe to exist and operate. There are a number of scientist that have also come to see this fine tuning of our Universe as a kind of signature of God. The fine tuning of the Shroud of Turin is right there in this same camp of ultra extreme, mind boggling fine tuning, i.e., is a signature of God. Humanity today, 700 years ago, or 2000 years ago does not possess the ability to create a photographic negative image as like exist on the linen fiber material of the Shroud of Turin. That is just the plain reality of the extent of humanity's technological prowess. Today we could replicate the process on a very small scale, but not on the scale of the size of the Shroud. Our technology would not be able to produce the sufficient energy level nor time such a radiating energy burst with the required fine tuning balance. The skeptics that hand wave this all away are not very intelligent people (to say the least) and/or are acutely dishonest with the facts of the matter.

[@1974jrod]

Why were there have to be bleed thru? Pigment/paint could just lay on top.

[@TheSulross]

@@1974jrod there is no paint pigmentation - the affected linen fibers have been examined under high magnification. Skeptics need to keep in mind that this is the most scientifically studied historical object on the planet - since the 80s this manner of scientific scrutiny has not let up. It’s not like some high schooler took out a magnifying glass to peer over it. The layer of affected fibers is a few nanometers - even using modern lasers it would be challenging to duplicate the delivery of energy to impact to the very surface manner (but that also brings in the technical difficulty of delivering sufficient energy but of short enough duration so as to not incinerate the fibers - and then also the impossibility in that sufficient energy could not be amassed and delivered to create an image the size as on the Shroud, that being way beyond technical ability). But there is also a ridiculousness factor that attends every would-be Shroud explanation. As in how would a person 700 years ago or even today know how to create a photographic image on the Shroud that is a photographic negative in that when it is actually photographed it then reveals far greater detail in the photo negative then is apparent in the actual image? Effectively all the great detail were used to being shown only emerges through this method of being photographed, otherwise all that extraordinary detail is optically invisible to the human eye. So all these “explanations” put out by skeptics are simply utterly ridiculous because these people just deal in superficiality, pay no attention to the actual scientific facts because they want to ignore the reality of the import of the Shroud. They can’t psychologically handle the actual reality of the Shroud. But clearly that is their personal problem - that they lack inner strength of mind to deal with this reality as it actually is.

[@1974jrod]

@@TheSulross the shroud never covered anyone. 100 percent. You can tell by looking at it.

[@TheSulross]

@@1974jrod that is truly the most asinine remark anyone anywhere has made about the Shroud. Please, if going to try and be a critic of the Shroud, at least have a minimum of two neurons to rub together. So one thing going on in these computer image recreations, like this latest image using AI processing assist, is that distortions in the photo negative from photos taken of the Shroud have to be corrected per topographical induced distortions. These distortions exist because the Shroud was draped over a human body. So no human created artwork is able to fake the effect of embedded topographical distortion. But when the Shroud image is scanned with a device used in creating topographical maps from aerial photographs, it provides the detail information that makes it possible to restore the image to proper contour, which yields a much more natural human looking countenance. So the facial features that appear somewhat mushed, the overly broad nose, etc, that becomes trued up and we get a much higher fidelity image reproduction. All because the Shroud was enveloping a human body at the time the image imprint took place and therefore yields back actual topographical information that can be used to true the image. This is the hard science of the Shroud - the detractors of the Shroud - with their jaw dropping asinine remarks - are the equivalent of monkeys at the zoo flinging their feces at human on lookers.

[@1974jrod]

@@TheSulross hard science? Lol. You literally can look at the thing and tell it never covered anyone. Lol

[@Gcock]

Thanks be to God; and those pious and faithful Catholics who preserved this for 2000 years.

[@manamanathegreat4986]

@@Gcock 700

[@TboneWTF]

Carbon dating puts the shroud fabric from the 13th century.

[@ricksmusicroom5578]

​@@manamanathegreat4986700?? Huh? Uhhhh....No. 2000. Just like he said.

[@manamanathegreat4986]

@@ricksmusicroom5578 If you say so.

[@dennisjump8655]

Is that the same Catholics that investigated it and declared it a "clever forgery"?

[@Danxethenightaway]

Jesus is king!!!! 👑 amen amen amen !!! GOD IS GOOD ! Amen 🙏!

[@DelticVideo]

I WONDER WHY FOOLS ARE MISLED BY A BIT OF RAG THIS HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD Jesus was not buried in a robe but in STRIPS OF CLOTH and his head was wrapped SEPARATE with a cloth, and JESUS DID NOT HAVE LONG HAIR, so this robe is TOTALLY FAKE, And all false religions are LIARS teaching a MYTH

[@orpheemulemo8053]

He is the living God we will see him at the right hand of power

[@DelticVideo]

JEHOVAH IS THE LIVING GOD, AND JESUS IS NOT GOD OR JEHOVAH AND THIS HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD Jesus was not buried in a robe but in STRIPS OF CLOTH and his head was wrapped SEPARATE with a cloth, and JESUS DID NOT HAVE LONG HAIR, so this robe is TOTALLY FAKE, And all false religions are LIARS teaching a MYTH

[@ianb483]

You made an excellent point here that I've made before. If we assume the Shroud was created in the 14th century, then the artist would have been "flying blind" so to speak. The Shroud image could not really be fully seen until the invention of photo negativity with contrast enhancement 600+ years later, so the putative artist would've had to have somehow made an image with extreme details that *he himself couldn't even see*, using some sort of technology that is unknown and cannot be replicated to this day, for people hundreds of years later to find!

[@DrMontague]

In 1543, John Calvin, in his book Treatise on Relics, explained the reason why the Shroud cannot be genuine:[51] In all the places where they pretend to have the graveclothes, they show a large piece of linen by which the whole body, including the head, was covered, and, accordingly, the figure exhibited is that of an entire body. But the Evangelist John relates that Christ was buried, "as is the manner of the Jews to bury." What that manner was may be learned, not only from the Jews, by whom it is still observed, but also from their books, which explain what the ancient practice was. It was this: The body was wrapped up by itself as far as the shoulders, and then the head by itself was bound round with a napkin, tied by the four corners, into a knot. And this is expressed by the Evangelist, when he says that Peter saw the linen clothes in which the body had been wrapped lying in one place, and the napkin which had been wrapped about the head lying in another. The term napkin may mean either a handkerchief employed to wipe the face, or it may mean a shawl, but never means a large piece of linen in which the whole body may be wrapped. I have, however, used the term in the sense which they improperly give to it. On the whole, either the Evangelist John must have given a false account, or every one of them must be convicted of falsehood, thus making it manifest that they have too impudently imposed on the unlearned. John 20:7 The cloth that had been around Jesus' head was rolled up, lying separate from the linen cloths.

[@DelticVideo]

SO YOU SAY HIS LONG HAIR IS TRUTH, THATS A LIE

[@ayingtorres5938]

What the most fascinating fact about the shroud is that it's a series of superimposed images indicating MOVEMENT! Why this fact is not being mentioned is beyond me.

[@milansvancara]

It's not being mentioned because it's pointing in the obvious direction that it's a medieval fake created by live moving French scammers

[@perrylc8812]

What is extremely interesting is that with the way the image is on the cloth they were able to scan it and then make a 3D model of it.

[@DelticVideo]

THIS HAS TO BE THE BIGGEST LIE EVER TOLD Jesus was not buried in a robe but in STRIPS OF CLOTH and his head was wrapped SEPARATE with a cloth, and JESUS DID NOT HAVE LONG HAIR, so this robe is TOTALLY FAKE, And all false religions are LIARS teaching a MYTH

[@caseyo2880]

At this point, people better start bringing up the shroud when debating the resurrection, as it is a solid source of further evidence for the resurrection of Christ. (Edit: I’m not saying the shroud is 100% authentic or trustworthy, but the majority of evidence (Not including the outdated and poorly performed 1988 carbon dating study) points to it likely being authentic, with Experts giving it around 70% authenticity)

[@danlopez.3592]

Do an experiment and lay on your bed with your shoulders and arms to your side. Now try to cover your genitals like the shroud. Sorry, but the proportions just don’t work.

[@kal22222]

Comical in the extreme. First of all this is still a maybe. Second even if it is from the time of christ it proves nothing in regards to where it came from specifically and is meaningless in regards to any resurrection

[@maxhagenauer24]

I don't think so. It may be evidence of the age, not someone coming back from the dead.

[@quintessence3991]

@caseyo2880 Yes, I would imagine that this 'solid source of evidence' is going to be responsible for huge swathes of people (especially those who are scientifically minded ) suddenly converting to Christianity.

[@danlopez.3592]

@@caseyo2880 why do you think the gospels did not tell the truth about their being a separate face cloth? Are you saying that the gospel account of the burial is in accurate?

[@morrisonmichael10]

If it's forgery, explain how it was forged. The fact that it can not be duplicated, it's one of a kind; means it is real.

[@dr.mofongo9001]

Pleased to find this video. The Shroud becomes even more fascinating with every new development, and I’ve been particularly curious to learn more details on this new test.

[@MessianicJewJitsu]

"Folding the cloth was a cultural sign that the user intended to return. It was especially used at meals to indicate to the servants that the diner was not finished. Jesus was indicating that He would come again to Earth."

[@DrMontague]

In 1543, John Calvin, in his book Treatise on Relics, explained the reason why the Shroud cannot be genuine:[51] In all the places where they pretend to have the graveclothes, they show a large piece of linen by which the whole body, including the head, was covered, and, accordingly, the figure exhibited is that of an entire body. But the Evangelist John relates that Christ was buried, "as is the manner of the Jews to bury." What that manner was may be learned, not only from the Jews, by whom it is still observed, but also from their books, which explain what the ancient practice was. It was this: The body was wrapped up by itself as far as the shoulders, and then the head by itself was bound round with a napkin, tied by the four corners, into a knot. And this is expressed by the Evangelist, when he says that Peter saw the linen clothes in which the body had been wrapped lying in one place, and the napkin which had been wrapped about the head lying in another. The term napkin may mean either a handkerchief employed to wipe the face, or it may mean a shawl, but never means a large piece of linen in which the whole body may be wrapped. I have, however, used the term in the sense which they improperly give to it. On the whole, either the Evangelist John must have given a false account, or every one of them must be convicted of falsehood, thus making it manifest that they have too impudently imposed on the unlearned. John 20:7 The cloth that had been around Jesus' head was rolled up, lying separate from the linen cloths.

[@MessianicJewJitsu]

@@DrMontague by analogy, I don't know if this is J's actual shirt or just a Hot Topic item. I'm just down with the clown. If you get the ICP/Juggalo analogy.

[@user-qj8pc4dv7g]

The ORIGINAL carbon dating was wrong because the sample takin was done on a part of the shroud that was repaired in the Middle Ages by nuns because that section had been scorched in a fire. That's why the carbon date showed a date from the Middle ages, it matched the date of the fire.

[@Dr88Black]

That conspiracy was debunked. Keep up.

[@xenozombie6200]

I'm an atheist. I've been critical of certain videos on this channel and others, especially when you feature cagey exorcists who make wild claims, and then offer lame excuses for why they can't show evidence. I think the Shroud of Turin is fascinating. The image so far defies attempts at natural explanation, and I'm very, very interested to see corroborating evidence for the revised date. I'm not a "committed atheist" (whatever that even means). I'm an atheist by default because religious arguments suck. The Shroud is the first religious thing in my adult life that I've looked at and thought, "Hmm, that might be compelling." Russ Breault is right. If the Shroud is authentic, it speaks to the greatest story ever told, and the greatest event in human history. I don't know why the whole of the Christian world isn't clamoring nonstop for more tests. 🤷‍♂

[@platzhirsch4275]

Interesting comment. I can feel Christ is knocking at the door to your heart. Open that door and you will be surprised about the power of the holy spirit and the peace it brings. Amen 💖

[@catholicguy1073]

Because it isn’t necessary. You can’t hinge the entire faith on one single object. Sure I think if it’s proven real it adds more evidence to the case, however from my view there exists enough evidence to reasonably believe in the Resurrection. So it’s more like a cherry on the sundae. The Church knows if they fully commit and 100% call this to be authentic and to be the shroud of Jesus and then it turns out false that could falsify the faith. The Church is very very carefully about what it determines to be true. There are many things we may believe that the church hasn’t infallibly taught like Limbo for example. One can agree or disagree with it. I hope that makes sense.

[@PETERJOHN101]

​@@catholicguy1073 Weak sauce, the Vatican knows it's real.

[@phoebedigs1356]

Find a good traditional priest and keep an open dialogue with him. The journey will be mind blowing.

[@macmos1]

Mhmm maybe for people who are still in doubt, but christians already believe and know :) so there's no need

[@panoramicLight]

Even as child when the carbon dating was declared, I always remember the self satisfied body language of those three men on the platform.

[@eldin14]

Demons all .. 👈

[@Fiona2254]

They didn’t follow the protocol. On purpose to get the results they wanted or because they were recklessly so prideful they didn’t see how using one sample was going to eventually result in people discarding them as serious scientists.

[@patriciasmith7074]

Those smug and hateful men were so proud to deny Jesus Christ and they thought they were so smart. I saw their picture and I immediately thought what a pack of stupid fools whose arrogance is clearly evident in this picture. When they died I bet they were shocked when they met Jesus and when Jesus denied them.

[@johnbrion4565]

Unrelated to this video but any plans to make an update video on Sister Wilhelmina? The diocesan investigation just concluded and said "The body of Sister Wilhelmina Lancaster does not appear to have experienced the decomposition that would have normally been expected under such previous burial conditions”. Apparently she was in a wooden casket which had broken and had water on top of it. And she was in the ground for four years before being exhumed. Would be interesting to hear an experts opinion on this.

[@ceelothatmane9421]

I’m 97% convinced it’s truly Christ in the shroud image

[@Metanoia_Magna]

What proof do you got?

[@ceelothatmane9421]

@@Metanoia_Magna don’t worry about it

[@jovanarosic3606]

​​@@Metanoia_Magna Princ of piece. It's painting by girl who saw many beautiful visions and Jesus himself. So she's eyewitness there's many more people and toddler who saw Him. Not nesseraly face always.

[@Metanoia_Magna]

@@jovanarosic3606 What about all those people who saw Him but looked different?

[@jovanarosic3606]

@@Metanoia_Magna I don't see a huge problem. Hair chould be cut of for example. Colour of eyes chould be mixed because when people see Jesus they are in deep shock. It's hard to describe bone structure and face shape. Most people describing same feel when meeting him. And pretty similar visuals like colours of light or visual of blue fire

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

This is incredible. Even believers scared to admit that it's an authentic shroud of our Lord Jesus Christ. I have seen it everywhere, believers try to debunk it. Can you imagine that?

[@joetunon]

As a believer I don’t want to debunk it, I just don’t want to put a face to Jesus that isn’t the real thing. For example I love the theatrical and TV depictions of Jesus, but I don’t imagine that he looks exactly like any of them. This would be different because it would be of his actual face. That would seem too good to be true, so the evidence would have to be pretty indisputable. Not 100%, but with the albeit questionable carbon dating, I’m not ready to accept it as authentic, until they do a proper carbon dating. At that point I would be more inclined to believe it.

[@RealBelisariusCawl]

There is no obligation for a Christian to accept the divinity or providence of relics; those are personal expressions of faith. “I believe in one God, the Father almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Only Begotten Son of God, born of the Father before all ages. God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father; through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate, he suffered death and was buried, and rose again on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom will have no end. I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.” I personally also subscribe to the next part about Catholicism, buuut I think as long as you’ve got the rest under your belt, you’re solid.

[@user-ok1jh8nt6k]

I know right. I was arguing with a guy last night about that. He kept saying I don't worship a cloth I worship the lord ..And that's good no one is expecting you to worship the cloth. But why can't you appreciate the fact that there is evidence of the foundation of that which we believe. It's a blessing . The lord saw to it that this cloth survived all this time for a reason. There are those that need something like this in order to help them believe. So if that's so be happy and thankful there is something there that shows people evidence of the whole foundation of the religion. Paul said if Jesus didn't die on the cross and wasn't resurrected by God . Then it's all for nothing . There are enough non believers talking against it without believers belittling it. If it helps you to believe in Jesus then it's a true blessing and should be accepted by believers with open arms. Thomas you are blessed bcuz you have seen and believed . But I say to you blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed. Blessed to have seen and blessed not to have seen. Believing is the point. Whatever helps you to believe is a blessing that carries priceless value.

[@michaelbrickley2443]

@@joetunonyou’re in denial

[@fluffysheap]

Debunk it because it's fake. Fraud is unbecoming of the Lord

[@DaysofElijah317]

The Catholic Church is very restrictive on what tests can be done on the shroud-so it leads to creative testing methods that have actually caused breakthroughs in other fields of archaeology- because they want to preserve the artifact

[@DaysofElijah317]

@northernfarmer98 because it was in their possession for hundreds if not a thousand years or more- while it is fascinating and a powerful witness if real as Christians we don’t need this to support our belief.

[@tafazziReadChannelDescription]

​@northernfarmer98Because it's the same church Jesus Christ founded in 33 AD

[@Knight-of-the-Immaculata]

@northernfarmer98 You ignore facts, history and misunderstand scripture if you don’t recognise the Catholic Church as the one and only church Jesus Christ established in 33AD.

[@tafazziReadChannelDescription]

@northernfarmer98 Christianity isn't just about following rules, and yet drunkards, slanderers etc will not inherit the kingdom. Following rules is part of what makes up the Christian lifestyle. Belonging in the exact institution Jesus explicitly started by making His disciple follow a hierarchy is too a part of christianity. You follow this channel, Cameron is a convert to catholicism so you should extend more charity to this, if you respect his judgement.

[@Ryan_Christopher]

@northernfarmer98"I am the vine, you are the branches." One Church (one vine) cannot be divided into 40,000 denominations (40,000 vines) which disagree with each other (branches belong to the same plant, not separate plants unto themselves). One mustard seed grows into one tree, not 40,000 trees. That is what it means to have One Mystical Body.

[@lampsaltlight]

I believe. ❤ I brushed this off for so many years, and then, I saw a scientific documentary about the Shroud. Every inch of doubt in my mind disappeared. I just believed. That was two years ago.

[@DD-hy1nl]

To think the shroud was in a fire in a church and survive is a miracle in it's self. I guess the devil wanted it gone, but no way was God letting that happen. I believe in Jesus and Love my Jesus for all of my life. One day I will be with Him in Heaven. ✝❤‍🔥

[@PraeytoGod]

What a GREAT INTERVIEW! Thank You! Russ is so masterful in his knowledge about the Shroud! Truly brilliant!

[@Headroomtalking]

Absolutely sharing with my class this semester ❤ Thanks

[@BrandonTmusic]

What doesn't add up yet, is they keep saying "if" the shroud was kept at relatively normal conditions and temperatures then this new aging comparison is valid. BUT we know the shroud was in A FIRE. SO isn't that an obvious temperature degradation thing that could lead this newer evidence astray?

[@eldin14]

READ THE EVIDENCE YOURSELF. Follow your heart. If it flitters when you see the Shroud, your OWN BODY is telling you it's real. Stop doubting.

[@FireFlanker1]

They will brush over that with confirmation bias

[@KD-eh3qo]

Isn't this a re-upload of the previous video? Anyway, I appreciate the info. I used to not believe that the shroud was actually authentic but now I'm convinced that it is

[@dirkryan5962]

if this _is_ the Burial Shroud of Jesus Christ, that means we're looking at an actual photographic/x-ray-graphic image of our Lord and Savior, and it serves as physical proof of the Resurrection itself! how anyone could _not_ be absolutely mesmerized by its very existence is beyond me!

[@jamiejaegel7962]

My understanding is the sample was taken from a corner that was repaired by the Franciscan Poor Clares nuns in the 1300 hundreds. They do know that there was a repair. Please speak about this.

[@PETERJOHN101]

Look at Barry Shwortz, he covered everything.

[@gurucarcar]

I think that was done on purpose. The Vatican knows and had a good laugh.

[@Dr88Black]

That was debunked.

[@AL-wn2tt]

I always think its amazing that Jesus is reconised in every painting of him , no matter how different . Sometimes the apostles would be depicted like Jesus , yet we know they are not Jesus .

[@emiblux98]

There is a spanish study by the guys studying the Sudarium of Oviedo and The Shroud that trace the first images of Jesús and should that they were based on the Shroud but that was known as the Image of Edesa and then the Mandillion, its facinating...

[@JorgeGonzalez-pq7wh]

This is so exciting, I laugh with joy just hearing the interview. My faith is not grounded on artifacts but it´s like a cherry on top.

[@mec325]

Genuine or not, it has no importance whatsoever to those who have faith according to God. (John 20:29) Blessed are those who have not seen, and yet have believed!

[@theminutemen1275]

Ray Rogers already proved the carbon dating was wrong. That the sample they took was from a corner that had been repaired in the middle ages

[@wulfheort8021]

And they might have done that on purpose, because they supposedly took 3 samples, each sent to a different lab, but the 3 samples came from the same little patch.

[@theminutemen1275]

@@wulfheort8021 💯

[@outofgrid]

The shroud has been left for the purpose of proving Jesus' ressurection. No one to this day or the most advanced technology can replicate that image! Jesus ressurected, and He will come back!

[@zbuchus]

What's happening in the media right now is quite intriguing. I've been aware of this dating for two years because I've been following the research of that scientist on the Manoppello image. Back in 1988, when the carbon dating was done, it made headlines worldwide. However, the recent dating has received far less attention and has been notably downplayed. Now it is changing since the media got their interest ... wonder why now ...

[@eldin14]

Media doesn't matter. How your heart flitters does. If your heart tells you it's true, who cares what it's scoffers say???? 👍

[@user-eg4te4kq4f]

Because this study is embarrassing...

[@hypnopompicstate9910]

​@@user-eg4te4kq4fTo be expected.🙄

[@zbuchus]

@@user-eg4te4kq4f "Dating from 1988 was embarrassing. Double-check what the Chi-square test is and why it failed.

[@Meteor_pending]

We don't do carbon dating anymore because we were screwed over the first time and we don't like cutting into the actual burial shroud of our Lord and Savior.

[@milansvancara]

screwed over?:D You mean when carbon dating method calculated the age to be exactly the same as first historical mentions about the shroud, that randomly appeared in France out of nowhere? How anyone can have such a strong wishful thinking to not see the obvious scam behind this with given evidence, is a mystery to me...

[@thatguyyouis]

Read the book the apostate by Mark Christian. Its an autobiography about a Muslim who looks so close at islam he finds it point to Christianity

[@paganphil100]

@thatguyyouis: That's not surprising......Islam is a lot younger than Christianity so it probably would contain elements of the older religion. Most religions (including Christianity) are based on previous religions.

[@user-Strong.Trinitarian]

​​@@paganphil100nope, Christianity is PURELY BASED ON judaism. Our old testament is the hebrew bible. Christianity is the continuation of second temple judaism. No other religion has an impact on christianity in doctrine asides that. I get youre a pagan probably terribly biased against Christianity but learn to say the truth😅

[@wallywest001]

When Selfies became viral, a woman in the 21st century goes, "look I have taken the First Selfie." Jesus- "I took the first Selfie in 33 AD, When God's Glory Brightened my Tomb and My Resurrection was Imprinted on to my Burial Cloth. There's Nothing New Under The Sun."

[@jimmoore9490]

I may have mentioned this before but we also have the Sudarium of Oviedo (separate face cloth) that has 120 blood stains that line up with the shroud that was carbon dated to 750AD or so. This also proves the carbon dating is wrong.

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

Really?

[@jimmoore9490]

@@AndreLeBlonde1 I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not. If so, do your homework.

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

@@jimmoore9490 yeah i haven't heard of it. I just Googled. I am speechless. Some people pointed out that there were two pieces of linen in the tomb in scriptures. Suggestiong that shroud can be real. So far it checks out. This is incredible. Thank you for writing this comment!

[@jimmoore9490]

@@AndreLeBlonde1 Sorry if I got a little defensive. I deal with delusional atheists all of the time. There is one thing for sure about these artifacts and that is there is too much evidence. Only the very very creative delusional atheists can even come up with anything. But they will defend how we are related to jellyfish. I will say this also and that this blows my mind away that we have known about this supernatural 3d image since 1892 and I made 5000 postcards and when I hand them out only about 1 in 20 even knows what it is or has every heard about it.

[@jimmoore9490]

@@AndreLeBlonde1 Man the AI bots are removing my posts again. Sorry I got defensive I deal with delusional atheists all of the time. But if this doesn't get removed, we have known about this image since 1892. I hand out shroud cards and 1 in 20 knows or has even heard of it.

[@glenwillson5073]

The question is not, is the shroud real - the question is, is it Jesus.

[@ChrisPyle]

Exactly. Just because it's blood, just because it's a blood type that matches other relics proves nothing. In fact, it proves it's possible lots of relics were faked to start a new religion, using the same blood.

[@Shamsi419]

@@glenwillson5073 it’s 100% match to the Gospel of John , it has 100% congruence with the sudarium of Oviedo which can be traced back to Christ . It has forensic evidence to place it in Jerusalem . The list is endless.

[@Shamsi419]

@@ChrisPyle Tell that to the scientists who examined and advocated the shroud . The website was created by them to prove its authenticity

[@theoriginalscottmalkinson6161]

@@Shamsi419 THANK YOU. IF THIS WAS TRIED IN A COURT OF LAW WHERE A PROPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE WAS NEEDED (100% IS IMPOSSIBLE)THERE COULD ONLY BE ONE VERDICT, AUTHENTIC.

[@ChrisPyle]

@@Shamsi419 and they dated it to 50 AD. A little late don't you think?

[@DivinaeMisericordiae77]

Dr Ray Rogers who was a member of the STURP team was a chemist who specialised in materials and the testing of. He verified before his death in a Peer reviewed paper that the piece of material used for Carbon dating was a patch sewn into the shroud as the patch contained cotton. Hence the cotton through the carbon date out

[@JadDragon]

Jesus lives! ♥️ and is Yahweh God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑

[@matthewcollins8148]

That’s one of your Best Episodes, Cameron.

[@matthewcollins8148]

Sean McDowell is really a great apologist and has one of the best podcasts here on YT - he’s one of the people who says ‘Who Cares’ if the Shroud is Authentic - ‘So What?’ - Russ Breault explains here perfectly why that’s such a totally ridiculous position to take.

[@alfbigboy]

Look up Barrie Schwortz. He was an image expert on the 78 research team. Great story teller. Sadly he just passed away a few months ago. They never determined what made the image.

[@FormerA-theist]

King Jesus lives long live King Jesus!!❤

[@boettgg1275]

The authorities of Turin in charge of the shroud don't want to do carbon dating as they will lose money from all the tourists

[@nickharriell4180]

Literally the first selfie in history

[@Harpadzo]

Yeah, I don't think so and it does not matter. Look, Bible is first. It tells us his head is wrapped separately. It also describes cloths. Not a single shroud. Beyond that is basic physicality. Do you not see the proportions are all wrong!? If you take something that is imprinted upon by a 3D object, then flattened out, it will be much, much broader than a photograph or painting. Okay, picture the differences between a 3D Globe, and a flattened out map. The depiction of the shroud should be twice as wide with the ears probably a foot and a half apart on the flattened out shroud. This is fake.

[@Snow-Willow]

As interesting as this is to talk about, we have to all remember the words of Jesus " Blessed are those who have not seen and yet still believe."

[@tool_fighter]

@@Snow-Willow . I wonder how he feels about people doubting his image?

[@barbeeska]

And yet, wasn't Thomas allowed to touch the wound in Jesus's side

[@eglelt219]

And it matches the Original Divine Mercy image! Not the Polish version, but the one in Vilnius Lithuania, painted by Eugeniusz Kazimirowski. And it is THE image that St Faustina saw and asked him to paint! Daniel diSilva talks more on this, one can check that out. Jesus, I trust in You! Amen!!!❤️‍🔥

[@sonoftheking1977]

The face part of the wrappung was seperate from the body according to Johns gospel. The only way the shroud can be authentic is if there were mutiple wrappings.

[@AK5of8]

Research the Sudarium of Oviedo. There’s your face cloth.

[@sonoftheking1977]

@AK5of8 ah ok interesting. This shroud of turin thing gets more interesting and more interesting. Would I like it to be the cloth Jesus waa wrapped in? Yes do I have doubts yes. Either way I believe he rose.

[@bloopboop9320]

It should be noted that face wrappings didn't touch the face, they instead wrapped around the the top of the head to the jaw so as to keep the mouth closed.

[@KingFisher06]

​@@AK5of8What is your thought about the veil of manoppello

[@AK5of8]

@@KingFisher06 this is the first I ever heard of it. Thank you!

[@boblevey]

Amazing!!! For some reason the minute I saw a picture of His face I had no doubt. But I always doubted the paintings. 🙏🏼❤️

[@BleachedWheat]

Doesn't the Bible say His head wrapping was separate?

[@janoselter3743]

NOT. The translation is wrong! It was NOT separate! Jesus died on the cross. He covered his head out of grace. Then with this handkerchief... because according to Jewish tradition, his place is in the grave ---- Then they tied his chin with this piece of canvas!!! This was the proof of the resurrection that he stayed there SEPARATELY - IN THE original place!!! „Közösség által ellenőrizve” ikon

[@nonconformist4802]

@@janoselter3743 Your opinion and your info source now have more authority than the Bible. WOW BRAVO BRAVO

[@janoselter3743]

@@nonconformist4802 I am both science and the Bible. What would you like to know?

[@FireFlanker1]

I am highly skeptical of this novel way of dating the shroud and disagree with the false dichotomy of it either is or is not. It seems like a lot of confirmation bias is happening, but I understand why people have problems with the carbon dating… final question, why must it be Jesus? It seems like an assumption made by Catholic declaration.

[@jovanarosic3606]

Look at painting called Prince of peace. Girl saw Jesus sitting in her room. She has a gift from God. He looks really like on this

[@user-Strong.Trinitarian]

Because this particular man was not not only crucified that has a wound on his side that gushed out blood and fluids like John says. He had a crown of thorns.

[@MarcosSilveira-vx6nn]

And now, neo atheists militants? Where is the goddess science to help you now? They will ask for help for Lawrence Krauss, Neil Tyson Degrasse, Bill Maher or Matthew Dulahamy ??😂😂😂

[@sigurdholbarki8268]

There is no goddess of science, science in service to God. These people worship themselves as Satan intended. Science belongs to God

[@wulfheort8021]

Matt Dulahamy hahaha, I hope you misspelled his name on purpose.

[@rjoetting7594]

A few years ago I watched a special on the shroud of Turin. And one of the comments made was the carbon dating done was accidentally on one of the repaired parts of the shroud. That's the reason for the dating being later. They couldn't get permission to take another sample of the older original part of the shroud. There's been more than a few repairs done in antiquity.

[@murph19611]

Psalm 22:14 KJV - I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. Funny how a Psalm written 2800 years ago explains the illusion of one arm linger than the other ....a dislocated shoulder and to say thar it's not explainable by a person hanging on a cross is a ridiculous straight out lie ....you ever seen a person that hung themselves, close to the ground they kick a chair out ...eventually there neck is dislocated and stretches so the legs touch the ground...its compelling how you all strain at a gnat of truth but swallow a whale of lies .... the evidence of the shroud is overwhelming.

[@hypnopompicstate9910]

👏👏👏

[@normmcinnis4102]

always need to be on guard against strong delusion in this day and age.

[@danielanthony8373]

Demons often manifest when Jesus's name is mentioned

[@TboneWTF]

Really. How do you know this?

[@JustMe-mn5hk]

Don't you know it! Every time I mention Santa Clauses name, all the little elves manifest! Isn't that crazy!

[@wulfheort8021]

@@TboneWTF Because they can not stand Jesus being named. Some foolish friends of mine not so long ago tried to interact with "ghosts" (usually ghosts are just demons). They sat in a dark room with EMF meter and spirit box in a building that was an old nursery for elderly people. The EMF was quite until I quickly came in to bless them and the room in the name of Jesus, then it started going nuts.

[@TboneWTF]

@@JustMe-mn5hk LOL. Every Easter a rabbit leaves chocolates for the children.

[@danielhammond3218]

@@TboneWTF and how do you not know this?

[@BigApeBooks]

I think that it's most likely the real thing.

[@sdb6757]

The image on the shroud looks suspiciously like Frank Zappa!

[@TboneWTF]

YEAH! It really does!

[@defeatingdefeaters]

The content at CC has been appreciated as of late.

[@matthewcollins8148]

Cameron is one of the top interviewers on YT.

[@adiesumpermariam4111]

Im suffering a lot due to the claims on reincarnation. Children with past life memories. they find historical records of these people and even end up having birthmarks matching up with the persons death. These things confirm what mediums say their spirit guides and dead tell them about reincarnation. I want to come back to Jesus so bad but I can’t shake these things. I watched Jimmy akin on the issue but the doubt persists. Please pray for me

[@thadofalltrades]

Children are very impressionable and demons have perfect memory.

[@Dissandou]

It’s probably earthbound souls (ghosts) who want to live or draw attention to their past lives through the living, and children are blank slates. Reincarnation is a nice fantasy for some of the dead who haven’t yet departed to hell.

[@CelticSpiritsCoven]

There's no such thing as reincarnation. Karma is made up nonsense. An unthinking universe doesn't care what "lessons" you need to learn before you could reach some state of "nirvana". It's all unbelievable nonsense that doesn't pass the test of logic and reason.

[@mkl2237]

Demonic deceptions

[@29memyselfandi]

I’ve had the same thoughts and questions with regard to this issue. In the end my feeling on it is that there is no point dwelling on it. If God wants to send a soul back to earth to live again who are we to say he can’t. Maybe there are millions of us who were here before and came back for another experience. I’ve never really seen any Christian teaching that says this couldn’t happen.

[@DrMontague]

In 1543, John Calvin, in his book Treatise on Relics, explained the reason why the Shroud cannot be genuine:[51] In all the places where they pretend to have the graveclothes, they show a large piece of linen by which the whole body, including the head, was covered, and, accordingly, the figure exhibited is that of an entire body. But the Evangelist John relates that Christ was buried, "as is the manner of the Jews to bury." What that manner was may be learned, not only from the Jews, by whom it is still observed, but also from their books, which explain what the ancient practice was. It was this: The body was wrapped up by itself as far as the shoulders, and then the head by itself was bound round with a napkin, tied by the four corners, into a knot. And this is expressed by the Evangelist, when he says that Peter saw the linen clothes in which the body had been wrapped lying in one place, and the napkin which had been wrapped about the head lying in another. The term napkin may mean either a handkerchief employed to wipe the face, or it may mean a shawl, but never means a large piece of linen in which the whole body may be wrapped. I have, however, used the term in the sense which they improperly give to it. On the whole, either the Evangelist John must have given a false account, or every one of them must be convicted of falsehood, thus making it manifest that they have too impudently imposed on the unlearned. John 20:7 The cloth that had been around Jesus' head was rolled up, lying separate from the linen cloths.

[@jaydee2012]

Corruption in every institution.

[@mkl2237]

Specifics?

[@ThisDonut]

please go meet your god right now

[@jaydee2012]

@@ThisDonut Dont be a hater

[@catholicguy1073]

Yes the science community has proven to have been corrupted especially since COVID

[@sinjinbritt3371]

​@catholicguy1073 So religion and apologetics is immune?

[@maxmcgraw3571]

These guys resemble each other so much that I would think that they were father and son.

[@ericdanielski4802]

„Perhaps this is why people are tirelessly searching for evidence as to why the shroud, which is kept in its own chapel in Turin Cathedral, must be fake or genuine after all. Elio Quiroga Rodríguez from the Universidad del Atlántico Medio in Las Palmas has now joined this illustrious group. The director and lecturer in film studies noticed an anatomical anomaly in the body portrait - although he was not the first to make this observation. In any case, in a very short study in the specialist journal "Archaeometry", he describes that the forearms and hands of the man on the relic are of different lengths - more precisely, the left hand and left forearm are depicted as unnaturally long. According to Quiroga Rodríguez, the pubic area of the supposed Jesus was to be covered by hand so that the Savior would not appear naked. The portrait is therefore subject to the conventions of medieval Christian art and does not depict a real human body. As previous studies have already shown, the elongated extremity cannot be linked to crucifixion. The Spanish film lecturer also writes that a body cannot be so severely deformed by hanging on the cross. Rather, the image follows the artistic convention of never showing Jesus completely naked. "This deliberate artistic decision emphasizes the symbolic nature of the Shroud and draws the viewer's attention to the spiritual meaning of the crucified Christ rather than his physical form," says Quiroga Rodríguez. Apparently, a hitherto unknown medieval painter captured the image on the shroud.“

[@steverational8615]

Interesting although really ends up in the same place by claiming it is the only work by an unknown medieval artist whose techniques could not have been replicated by the methods available at that time (perhaps not even today). Or it is a miraculous relic. It can only be the former if you are predisposed to a naturalist explanation. It could be either if you are predisposed to be open to the possibility of a miracle.

[@CelticSpiritsCoven]

Sorry buddy, but paint will be deeper than 2 threads worth. The arm could have been pulled from the socket. "Unnaturally long" is because shadows were discovered - which means that Christ was MOVING during instant flash. Their analysis is wrong.

[@danielhammond3218]

What you are failing to mention, is that the images are partially an x-ray view of the bones which makes the fingers appear to be elongated. Also, there is no paint on the fabric.

[@DrMontague]

In 1543, John Calvin, in his book Treatise on Relics, explained the reason why the Shroud cannot be genuine:[51] In all the places where they pretend to have the graveclothes, they show a large piece of linen by which the whole body, including the head, was covered, and, accordingly, the figure exhibited is that of an entire body. But the Evangelist John relates that Christ was buried, "as is the manner of the Jews to bury." What that manner was may be learned, not only from the Jews, by whom it is still observed, but also from their books, which explain what the ancient practice was. It was this: The body was wrapped up by itself as far as the shoulders, and then the head by itself was bound round with a napkin, tied by the four corners, into a knot. And this is expressed by the Evangelist, when he says that Peter saw the linen clothes in which the body had been wrapped lying in one place, and the napkin which had been wrapped about the head lying in another. The term napkin may mean either a handkerchief employed to wipe the face, or it may mean a shawl, but never means a large piece of linen in which the whole body may be wrapped. I have, however, used the term in the sense which they improperly give to it. On the whole, either the Evangelist John must have given a false account, or every one of them must be convicted of falsehood, thus making it manifest that they have too impudently imposed on the unlearned. John 20:7 The cloth that had been around Jesus' head was rolled up, lying separate from the linen cloths.

[@CelticSpiritsCoven]

@@DrMontague You are pretty slime. Ignorant, and blind. Recreate it or shut-it.

[@troycampbell7408]

I’m confused. The reason given for the carbon dating being off has been that they tested a sample from a patch which had been added to the original linen at a much later date. Is that true and if so how can this new test give a much older date than the “patch”? Did the new test use a different sample?

[@theresamc4578]

Yes

[@Fluffysweep]

You are right to be sceptical, the wide angle lensing or Waxing technique has been debunked already, I'm afraid

[@edsalinas9996]

We've been talking about this since the 70's, and still nothing.

[@hijackbyejack1729]

What do you mean "nothing"?

[@edsalinas9996]

@@hijackbyejack1729 There's nothing to see here folks. Just move along.

[@rispy4875]

It's the most studied artifact in the world

[@mkl2237]

… that’s what your girlfriend said…

[@mkl2237]

… “Ed talking…. But nothing happened… “

[@antonia4722]

Not sure if it was mentioned here but I remember reading an interesting report that found that the samples taken years ago for study were mistakenly taken from a repaired section of cloth. The repair was an invisible (to the eye) repair made by Nuns in medieval times.

[@gregariousguru]

The only people who want to claim the shroud is of uniimpotance would be catholic hating Protestants. Let's be real here. If we truly have the authentic burial cloth of Jesus, this would be the greatest archeological discovery that also authenticates the gospels and our faith in Christ.

[@luisbarbosa8136]

Can you explain please, why did you say "would bé catholic hating protestant?" Dont understand it

[@theoriginalscottmalkinson6161]

"THE ONLY PEOPLE? THE CATHOLIC CHURCH GOES EVEN FARTHER AND DENIES IT IS AUTHENTIC.

[@matthewcollins8148]

After 500 years there is still much bigotry towards Catholics from some Protestants (mostly the clerics and other Protestant professionals)

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

@@luisbarbosa8136 I don't know why he said that, but as a Catholic somehow I feel the same vibe in conversation I had with Protestants these couple of days about the shroud.

[@daneczaplewski9460]

This has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. The shroud fell into their hands and they kept it safe. This has nothing to do with scripture. If this is God's image which I think it is. This has nothing to do with are faith, as Jesus said to Thomas . You have seen but blessed that did not see and believe.

[@nicolamustard7232]

The way the carbon dating was done originally was brutal. The Church is under no obligation to damage the Shroud again for another carbon test. Besides, faith is not based on the scientific testing of one (albeit phenomenal) artifact. All of the science (except the original carbon dating) points to it being the burial shroud of Jesus. But it is not the Church's job to prove it one way or the other. As with Marian apparitions, it is up to you if you believe it to be authentic or not, however you are under no obligation to do so, even if the apparition has been officially approved by the Church. Faith can indeed begin with an artifact like the Shroud, or the tilma of Guadalupe, but true faith goes so much deeper. 🙏🏻❤️✝️

[@TboneWTF]

Carbon dating from 3 separate laboratories ALL put the date of the shroud fabric in the 13th century! LONG after JC was supposedly alive. The shroud has nothing to do with JC.

[@danlopez.3592]

If you believe the shroud is real, then you must not trust the gospels. The gospel clearly says Jesus had a face cloth that was a part from the body cloth.

[@Apollos_Christian_Apologetics]

Why can’t it be both? A facecloth overlayed with the shroud?

[@dat8835]

The face cloth would have been used to transport the body from the cross to the tomb, where they cleaned the body. They would have removed the face cloth and put it aside then place coins over the eyes and wrap him in the shroud. This matches the physical evidence and the scriptures

[@danlopez.3592]

@@dat8835 there is absolutely no historic support for coins being placed at the eyes in this time. In Palestine. You cannot show me one body ever recovered showing that this was a practice during this time.

[@dat8835]

@@danlopez.3592 they are on the image

[@theoriginalscottmalkinson6161]

@@danlopez.3592 THERE ARE NO BODIES TO RECOVER. JEWS ALLOWED THE DECEASED'S BODY TO DECAY AND THEN PLACED THE BONES IN OSSUARIES.

[@daisybell1819]

I believe it and it is amazing. I also would not be shocked if Leonardo da Vinci could pull off something like this. He was brilliant and much before his time and probably before our times as well! I heard a documentary once that spoke about Leonardo spending a long time hidden away at the Vatican working on something important for them. I believe in our Lord. Bless us all.

[@hawaiiukulele6117]

If you dont believe in Jesus now, when you leave this earth you still wont believe. You have only one chance .

[@FyreRayne-cf5wh]

We also need some independent secular verification of Fanti's dating methods to supply further proof of it's authenticity.

[@MrFireman164]

I have a question? Is this how Jews were typically buried ? Interesting to me that they put his hands over his private area, why? Why cover that part of his body ? And they did an amazing job covering it.

[@myinternetname5911]

Crucifixion victims were naked. It’s possible the people who prepared his body for burial arranged his body in that manner to comply with Jewish modesty laws (tzniut).

[@SnoopyDoofie]

I wouldn't be surprised if they disccovered that it wasn't just a black and white negative but had color encoded into it.

[@hernandez-yanezboldvoyager2623]

What none of you is realizyng yet, but you will, is that what that Shroud is really telling us is that God EMBODIES when He "descends", in few words, since He is the giver of life, He in turn can take life back as He pleases AND BE....just as MANY TIMES BEFORE... just as when He MET ABRAHAM and spoke to Him face to face about Sodom and Gomorrah.... now you can say wow..

[@eldin14]

Huh...??

[@eskwa1]

To get the imprints of the front and back of the subject the two pieces of shrouds must be pressed tightly onto the body from head to toes without any crease. Who in the world would do that is beyond comprehension. I suppose the logical way of wrapping the body is to wrap a long piece round the body. By doing this you will not get the impressions like the shroud in question. Even if the shroud is the actual one that wrapped Jesus, no one should revere and worship it, as we worship God. This is God’s second commandment.

[@eldin14]

An image that would form from being tightly wrapped would be WIDE and distorted from touching side over to side of the body. THINK!!!!!!!!!!

[@theresamc4578]

No one worships the Shroud. Would you have reverence for an item that your dear, deceased mother had worn? I keep my late husband's favorite hat on the coatrack by the door. My son treasures and wears the wool sweater that was worn by his grandfather and father. It is about respect and love.

[@eskwa1]

@@theresamc4578 Have you ever seen when they take out the shroud in the church in Turin, the crowd wants to press forward to touch it and pray to it by bowing down and do whatever one will worship it. The church does not even discourage it. if that is not worship, what is it?

[@songoku_1997]

Of course, the enemy always try to deny even the existence of christ himself.

[@sherlock6739]

I did not know that Carl Fredricksen knew so much about the shroud

[@rickfilmmaker3934]

This was a fantastic episode ! Great guest. Clear detailed presentation. Next you need Fr Robert Spitzer. Thank you Cameron, excellent!

[@sgauden02]

There's a problem. The Bible itself suggests that the Shroud Of Turin is not real. According to the Bible, Jesus was bound with MULTIPLE linen strips, not wrapped in a single cloth, as described in John 20:6. John 20:7 also mentions a cloth that was wrapped around Jesus' head, which is different from the Shroud of Turin, which is a 14-foot-long sheet that covers the entire body.

[@danielhammond3218]

Look up the Sudarium of Ovieto

[@sgauden02]

@@danielhammond3218 I have.

[@bloopboop9320]

They don't contradict. The head cloth merely wrapped around the head from top to bottom to keep the mouth closed instead of napkin like cloth placed over the face. There's no reason why finding only one cloth disproves that there could be a second one out there.

[@silviosposito375]

The threedimensional features of the image might be the effect of a radiant energy of great potency and unknown origin. No medieval artist or scientist would have been able to make such an artifact. This consideration alone should have called wrong the radiocarbon dating. But there is also the % of vanillin within the linen fibers which desappears in very old fabrics (as is the case for the Shroud) whereas is still present in more recent ones. And then the pollens, and the very particular linen, and so on... We have the image of Jesus and this is a great sign for all of us, believers or not.

[@GaryWold]

I'm skeptical, yet the negative type of image is pretty amazing in and of itself. Scripture talks about the face covering being a separate cloth from the rest of the body wrapping. This MAY be old enough. but I'm very doubtful of the authenticity due to the facial napkin. John 11:44, John 20:7 (Napkin).

[@m0psey731]

Please explain John 20:6-7 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb; and he saw the linen cloths lying there, and the handkerchief that had been around His head, not lying with the linen cloths, but folded together in a place by itself.

[@tomaslatino6865]

To see the image of the Shroud correctly, you have to be three metres away. In other words, if it were the work of an artist, he would have to use a three-metre brush, made up of a single fibre or hair smaller than a human hair, and thus manage to paint each one of the fibres. And not only that, but he would have to alternate between the superficial and the deeper fibres, as is printed on the Shroud, in order to produce the dimensional effect of the body. In addition, it has already been scientifically proven that there are no chemical elements or paint, but that the image was created by high-energy irradiation in a very short time.

[@jimmclaren9913]

See John 20:6-7 And so Simon Peter also *came, following him, and entered the tomb; and he *saw the linen wrappings lying there, and the face-cloth which had been on His head, not lying with the linen wrappings, but rolled up in a place by itself. That kinda answers the question.

[@GabeHiggins]

How precisely divine could the shroud possibly be? For all our "modern" science and technology can muster, we still can not explain the image on this fabric? The Lord has provided all the evidence... it still comes down to a choice from your heart. Choose this day whom you serve. Repent and receive forgiveness today! Praise the Lord!

[@rltreasure]

The carbon dating is correct because they ended up using the sample from the shroud that had been repaired in the 15th century. And if they cut out another piece of the shroud every time someone cried carbon dating, there would be nothing left of the shroud.

[@janoselter3743]

You can't cut it anymore. Since materials were used during the restoration in 2002, which makes this impossible.

[@StuartDesign]

If the shroud was draped around a body, and an image was formed, it would look very different when it is unflattened. There would be a lot of distortion... Try putting a cloth over your nose and how much further apart different the points of the fabric are that when you unfold the cloth... That's a lot of distortion.

[@hypnopompicstate9910]

This is the most studied relic in the world. Why are you making such comments?

[@tool_fighter]

@@StuartDesign Not of the light emulated from the body itself vertically

[@StuartDesign]

@@tool_fighter That would also result in distortion. Think about it... the 'light' is not travelling a great distance to the contact points. Whether the 'light' travels upwards or sideways it hits cloth almost immediately, and that cloth is curved around the object... when you flatten the cloth it will still distort the image. You would only get no distortion if the 'light' travelled vertically onto a perfectly flat sheet.

[@tool_fighter]

@@StuartDesign also , notice that there is light /image fall off past the cheeks and other areas . There is also no directionality

[@archibaldtengco712]

The scientists are trying to disprove the shroud, but they can't explain how the image was formed.... Jesus didn't need to be proven, He just asks us to believe....

[@Scott-t2e]

If the kingdom has come and gone and years added to our calendar to hide the fact that we are in "Saten's little season" this would confuse our expectations.