New Evidence That the Shroud of Turin is 2,000 Years Old Coinciding with Christ | EWTN News Nightly

A story that has been making the rounds on social media this week is about an apparent new discovery regarding the Shroud of Turin. Reports say there is new evidence the Shroud is 2,000 years old, which coincides with our Lord's life and crucifixion. These reports originally surfaced in 2022. What appears to be new are studies concluded earlier this summer. They were focused on blood stains and scourge marks found on the Shroud and allude to Christ's death by being nailed to a cross, a common method of execution by the Romans at this time in 33 AD. President of the Magis Center of Reason and Faith, Fr. Robert Spitzer, shares his reaction to the new scientific research and explains it in terms a non-expert can understand. Fr. Spitzer tells us where things stand now with scientific research and whether there is a consensus about the Shroud and its date.
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[@robertdelgadocapetillo8684]

Was there any doubt??? And anyway, just like the father said, we really don't need the shroud as proof that Jesus was with us. The Eucharist is the greatest miracle here on Earth to show us that He was always with us. Even if we don't feel anything emanating from the Blessed Host or seeing rays of light coming out of it, He is always there The Most Blessed Sacrament.

[@aliszhinchaenz]

People tend to dismiss the powers of the Holy Sacraments because they don't see the powers emanating from them. This is far from the truth, exorcist priest are protected from the powers of satan because of the sacraments.

[@miguelangeldiaz9380]

There was lots of doubt for me , bro. I watched Lila Rose's Good Friday podcast with Fr. Spitzer on The Shroud , and that was my Road to Damascus moment. That was when I went from agnostic to knowing, not just believing . If the Resurrection is real, then all things that stem from it are real!

[@aelbereth6690]

We don't need the shroud to prove the existence of Jesus and the reality of the Gospel, but in this post-Enlightenment age of scepticism and scientism we do need it as proof beyond doubt of Jesus' Resurrection. God of course always knew we would arrive at this age where faith is severely challenged, so He ensured this precious relic would be preserved for us now, when we have the scientific means to verify it.

[@stevecatlin5609]

Many Eucharistic miracles, where the Host actually bleeds, share the same blood type with each other, what is on the Shroud, and what is on the Sudarium in Spain- AB blood type.

[@miguelangeldiaz9380]

@@stevecatlin5609 yeah bro. True that! Something is headed our way...

[@bear8smylene]

NEVER DOUBTED!

[@victorvernon2507]

YES, and was a Believer before I ever knew the Shroud existed.

[@FAITHandLOGIC]

In 1389 the bishop of Troyes, Pierre d’Arcis, denounced the shroud as a forgery. The story goes that the bishop claimed an artist had confessed to its forgery so the bishop wrote to Pope Clement VII to denounce it. The pope’s response was to declare the shroud a man-made religious icon rather than a relic and permitted the church in Lirey to continue to display it. It is not proof of Jesus despite how much you want to believe it.

[@ShadraShee]

​@@FAITHandLOGICwe need facts. We need scientific proof.

[@grumpyoldsodinacellar3518]

In my humble opinion, it's real.

[@tristanuaceithearnaigh7660]

The shroud continues to gift the world with more and more evidence as time goes by, but incredibly the evidence rather than disproving it's authenticity, does the exact opposite, against all expectation, and proves beyond doubt it's miraculous existence.

[@Brosepha]

For the skeptic, no proof is enough. For the believer, no proof is necessary,

[@-gearsgarage-]

Right because make belief is more fun for adults. Thats why we have flat earthers, young earthers, hollow earthers, space is fake, and so many other stupid beliefs. Evidence should always be necessary

[@Brosepha]

@@-gearsgarage- so you don’t consider this evidence? You don’t consider the historical letters and authors of the bible and miracles throughout the ages evidence? What about the image from Guadeloupe with the image of Mary that shows the reflection of Juan Diego in the Virgins eyes?

[@Brosepha]

@@-gearsgarage- also its “make-believe”’ not make belief. Get your grammar exactly correct if you want to criticize others for being “wrong”

[@-gearsgarage-]

@@Brosepha the Bible is laughable as evidence. It’s not consistent, it’s full of contradictions and lies. If that’s your logic then the Vedas are evidence that Hinduism is true, the Quran is evidence Islam is true, and the mirage your talking g about has been debunked a dozen times.

[@sethflores1680]

Imagine, 2,000+ years later, the question Jesus asked, "whom do men say that I am" is still being debated.

[@StanleyPinchak]

Simon answered it on behalf of the faithful.

[@joybicar8304]

The word I AM as Lord Jesus have said was a proof that he was God. It was the same words heard by Moses when he was asking God who is the one going to send him to Israelites.

[@oetteo76]

John 20:29 ", “Because you have seen Me, you have believed. Those who believe without seeing are blessed"

[@joolz5747]

I always thought it was already proven. I have been watching it for years and years and years and years and this doesn’t surprise me. I’m surprised that everybody’s talking about it now though.

[@EdDrow]

They claimed that the shroud was a medival forgery, but couldn't explained how it was made before photography was nearly invented. They will always find reasons to doubt in our Lord.

[@vonhalberstadt3590]

I didn't hear father pointing out that this radiation imprinting showed His hand MOVING during exposure-multiple angles. Hence, not only the Crucifixion but, most importantly, the Resurrection. They can doubt still but they are ignoring the science. Orémus Y'all.

[@michigangirl2450]

At the same time that people are moving away from the science that affirms the sanctity of the newly conceived baby, and away from the science that supports the naturally born gender of each person, thus denying God's plan of the creation of new life, we see science bringing us closer and closer to the affirmation of God's other greatest miracle, the Resurrection.

[@agnelomascarenhas8990]

Science does not deal with untestable hot air. It is meaningless.

[@malango255]

It's the work of the devil. He hates God's creations and does his best to pervert them.

[@shaunthompson4979]

I love you, Lord Jesus.

[@ivaldez5715]

My Lord and My God

[@EGKaram]

The question asked for Father Spitzer to answer is so wide that EWTN resorted to cutting Father Spitzer off. Shame on EWTN. Prepare narrow questions to receive narrow answers.

[@tonyeloo7199]

The shrouds evidence is more for unbelievers, which may stand in judgement against unbelief. But for us catholics and Christians, it serves to validate the gospel accounts and strengthen our faith, so we can come to appreciate more the passion, death,& resurrection of our Lord.

[@osocaballo1978]

Increible EWTN?, no entiendo como cortaron la entrevista al padre R. Spitzer, cuando estaba brindando los datos comparativos y que lo llevaban al evento de la Resucción, que era lo que el Padre iba a concluir! Que error EWTN...

[@miguelangeldiaz9380]

Hermano, puedes ver El podcast de Lila Rose de viernes Santo 2024. En él, el padrecito Spitzer, dice todo y mucho más sobre este tema de la Sabana Santa. ¡Veála! ¡Ese podcast me transformó!

[@osocaballo1978]

@@miguelangeldiaz9380 ¡Gracias hermano, voy a buscarlo, Dios te bendiga!

[@donyahya]

When I meet Jesus in heaven, the first question I want to ask him is: "is it really you on the shroud of Turin, Lord?"

[@stevecatlin5609]

He will probably respond, "Yes it is. Is that an image of ME on your heart?" And you will respond, "Yes, Lord, it is YOU!"

[@jjt9201]

He will answer: how do you dare doubt: at the back is written: Kodachrome Man!!!

[@durangojoe1123]

He'll say "Yes, it's the first selfie."

[@StanleyPinchak]

With the linen age verifed this is the equivalent of taking a selfie while holding thd news paper... but much more difficult to "photoshop". We don't even know how one would go about reproducing the energy burst necessary to create such an image on linen.

[@exspiravit13]

I think our Lord would say “Don’t you see me? Why does it matter now.”

[@jamest681]

What is also very interesting is that the blood type on the Shroud of Turin is AB. This is the same blood type of the blood for the Miracle of Laciano and other Eucharistic miracles.

[@sergiofranco3231]

Jesus' beard is missing a part in the shroud. So accurate to the Gospels.

[@David-et7gk]

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[@samuraijosh1595]

Jesus didnt have long hair. Long hair was scorned and mocked on men.

[@Crash_endo]

@@samuraijosh1595 That's true, the Jews and early Christians didn't have long hair , only vowed Nazirites did have long hair, it was a sign of the Nazirite status and dedication to God. Samson for example was a Nazirite.

[@Fellowrser]

​@samuraijosh1595 yes but no Samson had long hair

[@18waywardson]

The pharisees plucked it out the night before the crucifixion

[@kathyr.8135]

35 TRILLION WATTS OF ENERGY ….. try that ATHEISTS

[@jjt9201]

????? Cool. It correspondS to half the power of the HIroshima bomb. Your jc would have been vaporized.

[@kathyr.8135]

@@jjt9201 He WASNT . Then Miss Scientist what is your high school education explanation?

[@kathyr.8135]

@@jjt9201 He WASNT . Then Miss Scientist what is your high school education explanation?

[@redadmiral9538]

Reason no body was found? Reason he wasn’t recognised at the tomb as he can take any look he wishes. Reason he appeared in a locked room. We cannot make this image on cloth in today’s scientific world!

[@user-ki2vh1uc5k]

Amazing News! 😊

[@MrDaftFunk]

Amazing, what religion would say “this relic that shows the truth of our religion isn’t necessary”, Christianity is mighty, our God is an awesome God!

[@lucillebaltazar910]

Thank you Lord believers do not question your mystery 🙏🙏

[@alexrodas9912]

I always felt it was real. The doubters are non-believers. How could you not see Jesus when looking at the shroud? That just baffles me.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Maybe because the future on the shroud has long hair, whilst Jesus would not have had long hair, as was the Hebrew custom for men? Maybe because the prophecy contained in Isaiah about the messiah 's death talks about him being so badly beaten that he could not be recognised? Or that the prophecy speaks about his beard being pulled out, whilst the figure in the shroud has a full beard? Or because scripture talks about Jesus being buried in multiple burial cloths or bandages, not a single shroud, even if you consider the supposed burial face cloth. Stop worshipping relics!!

[@ironymatt]

@@geordiewishart1683 veneration isn't worship. Who do you think the image is?

[@JesusSavedYouu]

Don't judge what a believer would do and why.

[@iisanityfallsii]

⁠​⁠@@geordiewishart1683Claiming to be the messiah wasn’t customary for jewish men nor was arguing against Jewish law.

[@iisanityfallsii]

@@geordiewishart1683You can’t pull an entire beard off.

[@dianerobbin5694]

That is so wrong to cut off such an important message!

[@MysteryofTheTrinity]

Father Spitzer is so amazing! I (Beril) recently watched his AI webinar on the Institute of the Catholic Culture. I have been an AI scientist over two decades and I can say that Father Spitzer knows the topic more than many colleagues in the field of AI. A real Catholic man constantly educates himself 👏🏻👏🏻❤❤🙏🙏

[@Nate-vu8pe]

He paid the price and that is the receipt he left👌

[@Mlz-w1w]

I Iove this!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@T.Chopper_]

You can see the crown of thorns on the head.

[@daffidavit]

At time stamp 2:30 we see very clear evidence of teeth, and not simply verticle straitian lines as some have suggested. A very close-up inspection of a hi-def photo of the face will show teeth where there are no vertical straition lines in the fabric. This is consistent with evidence of metacarpal bones in the hands (extension of fingers into the palm of the hands). See time mark 5:24 . Notice the fingers appear to be curled slightly. Also, if you obtain a good quality photo of the face and stand about 2-3 feet in front of it, and then move a few feet to the left or right, you will notice that the nose appears to bend to either side. I believe this feature has something to do with the 3-D information that has been encoded on to the fibers. JMO.

[@eternalsunny]

If this is a supposed 13th century, fake and painting with real blood or however, they propose that it was done, why would it be done as a photo positive? Who would be able to make a positive this way? And how would they plan that one day there would be able to be a photonegative that would show even more detail and 3 dimensional than the photo positive? That is one of the reasons I know it is true. Praising God and my savior Yeshua ישוע Jesus from Israel. 🇮🇱🙏🏼🇮🇱

[@agnelomascarenhas8990]

It is not "supposed 13th century", it is carbon dated to 13th century ±error bar. Carbon dating and science isn't fool proof, but far more trustworthy than medieval mumbo jumbo.

[@jjt9201]

Easy to make a negative. Take a piece of white paper. Put a black 1 inch diameter dot in the center. Watch it 30 seconds. Close your eyes. You se a negative : the white page appears black, the black dot appears white. Easy. Tricks of the brain. 3 dimentional? Very cheap softwares allow to made a 3 D representation of a standard 2 D image. No mystery.

[@silviosposito375]

The image is a photo negative. But I agree with you, it is a miracle and the image of Jesus Christ.

[@computerman84]

Crucifiction was in 33 ad, the study is saying that the Shroud dates to between 54 and 75....I believe the Shroud is real, but how can one explain the 21-42 year difference?

[@cosmicallyderived]

It’s within an order of magnitude, some scientific instruments only have so much precision and accuracy.

[@ashleyn8946]

I’m sorry but within a couple of decades of a 2000 year old shroud and you think that’s some sort of objection? Have you studied science? It’s amazing that it’s within that short period.

[@silviosposito375]

The fundamental thing is its attribution to the first century A.D. and not to the XIVth. The dating is within the error of measure.

[@BrowderFan]

It’s also being compared to a comparable material from that era.

[@soapboxearth2]

Those who think this isn't miraculous seem to be grasping at straws.

[@Pixxip2]

It’s not authentic. Read John 20 in the Bible. John 20:5-7 “5 And stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself.” His face cloth was separate, folded, and lying apart from the linen cloths for the body. Jesus is risen, but this cloth is something unrelated. Read God’s Word and don’t be deceived by “every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.” Ephesians 4:14

[@jackobite]

God is good and Jesus is the one true son of God and a one true born King

[@morrisonmichael10]

It can't be reproduced by any known means and people question its holiness.

[@seascape35]

1:27. If the earliest scientifically determined possible date of the Shroud is 54 A.D, this means it is at least two decades after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Historians believe that the most likely lifespan of Jesus was from about 4-2 B.C. until approximately 30-34 A.D.. Should not the Shroud be dated closer to the death of Jesus since it covered Him at His last moments? I would love to hear from Fr. Spitzer or any other serious scholars on this question.

[@sumpinhapenin3070]

Here is my take on things based on various articles on the subject: The date of the shroud is estimated to be 2,000 years old approximately. The dates of 54 and 75 are of a similar cloth found at Masada that is known to date 54-75 AD. So the study isn't saying the shroud is 54-75, but a similar cloth, which was needed as a control group for the study. I think that he either misspoke or doesn't completely understand that the 2,000 year old shroud date is an estimate and the 54-75 AD Masada cloth is an accurate age proven by history--when the Romans invaded the Masada. I may not have it exactly right and I left out some details, but I hope this explains it without over explaining it.

[@silviosposito375]

It is impossible that any research may give as result a specific year. The most important thing is its attribution to the first century of our era. You must consider also the range of the error of measure. The artifact is not a medieval fake and ita antiquity is by now certain.

[@joetunon]

Want to squash skeptics like me? Redo the carbon test on a different part of the shroud so that the x-ray test and carbon test coincide. That would be very difficult to refute. As it is, as much as I would love to imagine this particular image as the face of Christ, I'm with the Church in holding off on any official approval.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

No part of the Shroud will date any older than 14th century, but most parts will date younger by radiocarbon, and a whole lot younger at that. Rucker's prediction is 8500 A.D.

[@johnkilpatrick2343]

@@jeffreyerwin3665 "8500 AD" I trust that's a typo?

[@hiker64]

@@johnkilpatrick2343 Ya think?

[@jonhayes9750]

How could medieval people possibly create a imprint of a body on both sides and create a negative image...in the 1200 to 1400 ....Come on.

[@joetunon]

@@jonhayes9750 I don’t know how, but would not think it was the work of an artist, but either an actual crucified man copying the manner in which Christ was crucified or it really is the shroud of Christ. This is why I’d really want them to do a proper carbon test. There should be no hesitation. It’s that lack of proper testing that I personally find suspicious.

[@Pennysam]

From reading other scientific investigations it hard to confidently say if its real or fake, but the most important thing is what you personally believe, as one thing is for sure, relics are symbolic to religious faith and act as a physical connection to the divine.

[@hiker64]

That's really the key thing to bear in mind. The whole premise of faith is belief in something that cannot be definitively proven.

[@Pixxip2]

It’s not authentic. Read John 20 in the Bible. John 20:5-7 “5 And stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself.” His face cloth was separate, folded, and lying apart from the linen cloths for the body. Jesus is risen, but this cloth is something unrelated. Read God’s Word and don’t be deceived by “every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.” Ephesians 4:14

[@andrewhopkinson2503]

If the shroud is dated 54-75AD and Christ was crucified in 33 AD, how can it be the shroud of Christ?

[@ShadraShee]

At least, it is not a medieval forgery.

[@iisanityfallsii]

Science and dating can often be wrong.

[@iisanityfallsii]

Or not fully precise

[@pamelaroyce5285]

The linen matches linen known to be from 54-75 AD, but *could* pre-date that time. At the MINIMUM, the linen shroud goes back to the correct century, quite possibly to 33 A.D.

[@liewcheng3111]

The Roman Empire was a sure evidence of Christ existence

[@minui8758]

I’m increasingly doubtful about it I must say hearing more about the new evidence. I’m a resurrection believer but a cautious shroud agnostic I think

[@Pixxip2]

It’s not authentic. Read John 20 in the Bible. John 20:5-7 “5 And stooping to look in, he saw the linen cloths lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, 7 and the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself.” His face cloth was separate, folded, and lying apart from the linen cloths for the body. Jesus is risen, but this cloth is something unrelated. Read God’s Word and don’t be deceived by “every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.” Ephesians 4:14

[@PATRICKMMUO-wp8dw]

In this age of persistent faith lessness and atheism God's love for us mankind uses our Science to convert us to Him in Jesus Christ the Anointed. May The Spirit come and reconcile us with our GOD now. Amen.

[@hiker64]

First off, correlation does NOT equal causation. Secondly, it's ironic that Christians will accept the science that says the shroud is 2,000 years old but will reject the science that says the earth is 4.5 billion years old. Either you accept science or you don't.

[@davidwestwood2457]

A lot of Christians like myself know that the earth is billions of years old.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

The "causation" is evidenced by the Shroud's radiocarbon readings which indicated 14th century A.D. Only one viable hypothesis remains: a neutron flux enhanced the Shroud's radiocarbon content. See: "The CarbonDating of the Shroud is Explained by Neutron Absorption," Rucker, 2020.

[@StanleyPinchak]

Please explain cause of the image. Or even what to call this artistic medium. Good luck.

[@iisanityfallsii]

You can be a scientist and a Christian. Evidence is subjective. I can find methods faulty, and some accurate. Not called being hypocritical. I get to choose whether I find evidence validated or not.

[@Marv0712]

Science said that Smoking was healthy too, and it changed. What you mention is no proof, but an estimate.

[@Big_Mil]

Thank you Jesus 🙏

[@johnnyshoe2229]

Alot of people where skeptical and doubted like always but jesus is real and hes not some fairy tales and make believe stories pass thru generations after generations alot of people are being persecuted because they believe in our lord jesus christ especially in alot of Muslim countries but anyways God bless you all of you and as always your father in heaven is waiting for you to return to him Psalm 91

[@JackBlack-ii1ip]

The only thing that can be agreed upon; the cloth is older than the image. How much older, now that is the question.

[@horationelson57]

An Anglican Christian here. What do some of my Roman Catholic friends here think of Pope Francis?

[@jsmovies5071]

God bless the Pope! I think how he sees the world and how he sees the church is dates. He is very much a product of the 1960s and I think his ideas are not leading the church in the right direction. Just like we can see how the 1960s have effected our society and culture negatively we can see it has effected the Church negatively and we need to move on past those ideas. Unfortunately it really seems like the Holy Father is completely consumed with those ideas and in a lot of ways wants to throw out what in my opinion are the best parts of the Church and foster some very questionable things. This is all just some random Catholics opinions. Take it with a grain of salt.

[@manny75586]

Confirmed real for me. Ave Christus Rex

[@challengable]

Is this the sign? The event seen around the entire world that heralds the worldwide examination of conscious extended to every human alive on the Earth? Is there any doubt left? I think not. I had no doubts anyway. Question for a Church historian, did the Templars have the shroud? For how long, did they use it in their rite of initiation? Curious. Blessed Be, and may millions convert to His only Church on Earth as the result of this confirmation. Blessed Be.

[@johnslaughter5475]

Ever since I first heard of the Shroud I've believed it to be the real thing. A minor correction, Jesus was born no later than 4BC. He was definitely born during the reign of Herod the Great and we have positive evidence that Herod died in 4BC. I saw a video that puts His birth about 3 months before Herod's death. Of course, it's not proof positive, but it all hangs together very well. It puts Jesus's Presentation at the Temple right about the time of the Passover in 4BC.

[@johnkilpatrick2343]

The priest stated the shroud is from between 54 and 75 AD. It cannot be Jesus.

[@johnslaughter5475]

@@johnkilpatrick2343 Those are never 100%. There is a margin of error. Allowing that Jesus was crucified in 29AD, that's only 25 years. Easily within a margin of error for something that old.

[@johnkilpatrick2343]

@@johnslaughter5475 No, the margin of error is included in the 54/75. 54AD being the absolute earliest possible and 75AD the absolute latest.

[@johnslaughter5475]

@@johnkilpatrick2343 Then explain the coins on Jesus's eyes that can be found on the Shroud. Both are coins minted by Pontius Pilate. One from 29AD and the other from 30AD. Those coins more accurately date the Shroud than any of these scientific tests that can not be absolutely 100% accurate.

[@johnkilpatrick2343]

@@johnslaughter5475 So, why are they bothering with scientific tests with such obvious proof? Why does the Roman church still not formally recognise the shroud as that of Christ? In other news, I used to collect old coins when I was a child. I have one dated 1863.

[@MrFossil367ab45gfyth]

In my opinion, it's authentic. Whether it is truly Jesus or not is up to you.

[@leemac9879]

a piece of cloth makes you reconsider if Christ was a real person ? fine, that's cool just don't fall for the line from the Cult members that Christ went to the Cross for Your " sins " nowhere in Scripture did Christ say he would go to the Cross for Your sins....No Where but he does tell us in Scripture why he went to the Cross, just read the verse.

[@iociccio936]

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ? WHAT (Cult Members) ? IF NOT TO SAVE SINNERS, WHAT WAS THE POINT OF JESUS (Going on the Cross ✝️ ) 😢

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Good point. Jesus demonstrated that he had the power and authority to forgive sins. It does not make sense that he would need to undergo a painful death in order to accomplish something that he already had the power to do. I view his crucifixion as the setting of an example to humans as to how far they need to go in following God's laws of forgiveness and the love of our fellow man. Remember what Jesus suffered in order to teach us, and do not ask for your property back from the one who has stolen from you.

[@leemac9879]

@@iociccio936 read the verse " Christs agony " and You tell me Christs reason for going to the Cross.

[@StanleyPinchak]

I take it you are not a Bible scholar, but you sure opine as if you have knowledge. “And he began to teach them that the Son of man must suffer many things and be rejected by the ancients and by the high priests and the scribes: and be killed and after three days rise again.” (Mar 8:31, DRC) “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up:” (Joh 3:14, DRC) “32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all things to myself. 33. (Now this he said, signifying what death he should die.)” (Joh 12:32-33, DRC) “6. He is not here, but is risen. Remember how he spoke unto you, when he was yet in Galilee, 7. Saying: The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men and be crucified and the third day rise again.” (Luk 24:6-7, DRC)

[@leemac9879]

@@StanleyPinchak everything is fine It's Gods plan, it's unfolding perfectly

[@johnkilpatrick2343]

1:25 "Shroud originated 54 to 75 AD...". So, more than 20 years after Jesus?

[@jjt9201]

Correct. Because it was another miracle. The shroud was used in Turin as a table cloth during 50 years after JC death. . And suddenly, one day, JC appeared printed on the table cloth. MAn you did not know that?

[@johnkilpatrick2343]

@@jjt9201 brilliant 🤣

[@StanleyPinchak]

They didn't have a linen sample dated to AD 33 other than the shroud. The linen they compared it with was from Massada and is known to be from some time between 54-70AD.

[@johnkilpatrick2343]

@@StanleyPinchak correct, which is evidence that the Turin Shroud is dated around 65AD +/-10 years. If we're going to use THIS science, we have to admit the Turin Shroud has nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

[@silviosposito375]

No technique is able to date perfectly a fabric. We now know that the Shroud was made in the first century not in the XIIIth or XIVth. The pollens, the very particular linen (similar to Masada's ones) and the absence of vanillin (only in very old fabrics) are other consistent proofs of antiquity. The radiocarbon dating was certainly wrong and the elements in favour of a Jesus' image (of unknown and mysterious origin) are many.

[@sooryakanthi757]

It shoulde be a big news ❤

[@ironymatt]

Only the first two acts of Macbeth, my how the standards have fallen! Kidding, kidding... but in all seriousness the third act is really where it's at

[@melati4339]

Haleluya 😇

[@fredgarv79]

I want to know when is that future, next test going to be done he talks about proving it was radiation? Somebody said well sure it's somebody that was crucified but that could have been anybody. But what about the crown of thorns? the exact dating? the fact that people who suffered this death were just thrown into pits, not put in a tomb, the blood at the exact spots, the spear wound? etc that's a lot of coincidence.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Dead human bodies do not leave perfect photo-negative images of themselves on cloth. It is impossible, but this one did that. So it can't been "anybody."

[@donaldbush1182]

Anyone who thinks it’s real, hasn’t possibly looked at it closely. It’s not even a good forgery.

[@harolddelgadillo8638]

One of the 10 commandments says not to make any images of anything in heaven above…then it also says not to bow down and worship the image. God would not contradict himself by making an image and creating a stumbling block for others. Many worship that shroud even though they shouldn’t. This is a forgery. Besides Jesus didn’t have stringy long hair. He had curly hair. He was also beat so severely He was unrecognizable as a man.

[@TheBubblydimple]

@@harolddelgadillo8638 then you do not know your bible. Did you continue reading in the next chapters in Ex 25:18-20 where God commands to make them? If God really forbids the use of "Graven Image" why in the 1st place God commands to make statues of angels in the "ark of covenant"? Or several Graven Images in bible verses 1 Chr 28: 18-19; 1 Kgs. 6:23, 27, 29, 31, 32; 1 Kgs. 9:3. AND SO FORTH? God never contradicts Himself. It is you who contradicts the bible.

[@KeyboardSourceError]

The shroud conceals death, Jesus Christ reveals life.

[@Chris-np4rv]

Who cares how old it is? What's important is that Christ resurected and is living in the believer in the form of the Holy Spirit.

[@MarcosSilveira-vx6nn]

I'm here in the comments to see the despair of the Neo Atheists militants! It's a lot of fun to get these people! How will they refute this study reviewed by pairs that currently left? Are they going to say that it was done by "creationist" scientists? I love, for real, see the despair of Neo Atheists militants !! hahaha science refuting atheism! And that's delicious! 😋😋

[@hiker64]

Atheists, and I'm a believer by the way, aren't necessarily refuting the study regarding the age of the shroud, but the idea that dating it is "proof" that Jesus lived, died, and was resurrected. So you're good with the age of the earth being about 4.5 Billion years. I mean, same type of science used to date the shroud.

[@StanleyPinchak]

​@@hiker64 Can you help explain how the forgers created the image. Current scientists are at a loss. Maybe it was alchemy?

[@NoRiceNoRice-wx2sb]

Scripture proves said shroud is fake: John:20 (NIV) [6] Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, [7] as well as the burial cloth (or handkercheif per kjv) that had been around Jesus’ head. The cloth was folded up by itself, "'''SEPARATE"''' from the linen. ( there were 2 separate pieces of cloth for Christ's body & His head while allege shroud is 1 for whole body & head)

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Sir, everyone knows that the cloth that covered Jesus' head when he died is in Oviedo, Spain and is called the Sudarium.

[@StanleyPinchak]

​@@jeffreyerwin3665Apparently, some people don't😂

[@danieltang1680]

Also blood test showed much bilirubin ferritin indicating multiple severe trauma. There are over 700 wounds on the body. You should also see the AI generated photo!

[@sdb6757]

The image on the shroud looks suspiciously like Howard Stern!

[@trickjacko8482]

These people hate to hear about this kind of news, they call the father just to interrupt him and say time is over. wtf

[@texasrattlesnake31637]

AMEN! 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️🇵🇭🇵🇭🇵🇭

[@davidwheatcroft2797]

The Shroud shows blood FLOWING! Dead men do not bleed. THIS is why the Catholic Church will not accept it. It proves he was NOT dead. He was only on the cross for 3 hours; others survived 3 days and recovered. (Josephus's friends.) QED.

[@JesusSavedYouu]

He died. Even the Bible says He died and resurrected. Dying men bleed, dead men can bleed until a point

[@davidwheatcroft2797]

@@JesusSavedYouu After just 3 hours on the cross? After the closet christian centurion pierced his pericardial sac letting clear plasma flow? Come on? Dead men do NOT bleed. Cross was an X not as usu depicted. Get with it, man. Proof by INDUCTION - what is the most likely solution? He swooned. Lived the rest of his life quietly. Horus SO similar, it is a joke! 12 disciples; died on cross with 2 thieves; Mother called Mari; changed water into wine at a wedding? Ha, ha! "Lamb of God." Hee, hee.

[@leadanon127]

Maybe is very old but not Jesus burial cloth. Did anyone remember to read John 20:6,7?

[@johnnilan8240]

It cannot be the burial cloth of Christ as the face on the cloth is prominent. It would not have appeared if you believe the testimony of the first pope and John the Apostle. Both of them recount in John 20:4-7 their observations not realizing that they would later discount the burial cloth image. The face cloth used to cover the brutalized face of Jesus is folded separately by itself. The face cloth would have prevented a uniform image if an image of the face at all. See also John 11:44 recounting the wrappings of Lazarus. He had a face cloth which had to be removed separately. This is never referred to in any of the scientific testing as a factor in commending the investigation. Also, the Greek word for wrappings is not used for a one piece of linen or shroud. The problem is that the Catholic Church granted indulgences to visit and worship the cloth. A recent pope has acknowledged the carbon dating results. The Catholic Church has never actually commended the shroud as what it purports to be. Silence is a denial. Take a moment and recall the recent fraud perpetrated on the LDS Church by an expert forger. He used blank pages from ancient manuscripts and forged writings that the LDS bought. So, the underlying fabric like the underlying parchments in the LDS fraud are not proof at all. What is more no specimens of burial spices have been found on the cloth despite finding of pollen. See, John 19:40. Why is there no memorialization by the gospel writers of such an image on the cloth? Because it did not exist. This shroud tradition was developed following the tradition of "Veronica's veil" memorialized in the stations of the cross in Catholic weekly ritual. Veronica's veil is not extant! Let's get over this old fraud used to garner indulgence payments to fund the Catholic Church. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." Dale Carnegie.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

While no one at this time can prove 100% that the Shroud of Turin once contained the body of Jesus, those of us that have studied know that it once wrapped Jesus. You have not studied anything at all about the Shroud, have you? How the fabric, the pollen and dirt on it at date to Biblical days of Jerusalem? They have proven was that it contained a body that was beaten like Jesus was, scourged like Jesus was, was crucified like Jesus was AND wore a cap of thorns (only Jesus in recorded history was crucified wearing one of those) like Jesus was. To those of us that are blessed with better than average intelligence that spells it out quite clearly. And the thousands of manhours of research do a fine job at showing who was on the Shroud as well. These days, only a moron of morons will call the Holy Shroud a fake. Period.

[@thomcarr7021]

Dress-up and play holyman. It's been going on for thousands of years. The best part of this is the "shroud" turns up a millennium later. Just were was it all that time? Just crazy what some people will believe.

[@michaelmcintyre6414]

Shroud is 13 feet long: Goliath?

[@Yt-hb4wh]

Isaiah 52:14 . . . so His appearance was marred more than any man and His form more than the sons of men. Jesus was brutally beaten, both body and face. This image does not reflect the brutality inflicted upon Him for humanity's sake.

[@friguy4444]

It's Evidence of His RESURRECTION!!!

[@jameshill4911]

Surely it is irrelevant?

[@christopherbyrd5818]

Why now though.....God chooses to reveal mysteries at His pleasure. Its almost as if this is a foreshadowing.......

[@45newsutah]

Don't call anyone father. He commands us not to. The only father is the father in heaven.

[@StanleyPinchak]

Lol. Paul screwed that up, big time. “For if you have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet not many fathers. For in Christ Jesus, by the gospel, I have begotten you.” (1 Cor 4:15, DRC) “To Timothy, his beloved son in faith. Grace, mercy and peace, from God the Father and from Christ Jesus our Lord.” (1 Tim 1:2, DRC) etc.

[@45newsutah]

​@@StanleyPinchakhe did. Christ's word is the truth. Paul can't contradict Christ's words.

[@fryssiasilva2371]

❤❤❤❤❤

[@jacktracy8356]

CHRIST was not wearing a shroud but was buried with linen burial clothing and a separate item called here a "napkin" which had been bound around HIS HEAD. John 20:5 KJV "And he (John) stooping down, and looking in (CHRIST's burial cave), saw the linen clothes lying; yet he went not in. 6 Then came Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulcher, and saw the linen clothes lie 7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself." Also, see the description of the Jewish burial clothing Lazarus wore and the napkin bound around his head when raised from the dead (John 11:44 KJV). Why not any information listed in the Gospels about the shroud??? Surely they would have found it and kept it and talked about it. They did not. The reason why is that GOD does not want anyone venerating anything other than HIM.

[@TommyJamesMedia]

Greek Parsing Inflected: σινδόνι Root: σινδών Strong's: G4616 English: linen cloth, Code: N-DSF Long: Noun - Dative Singular Feminine

[@TommyJamesMedia]

sindōn

[@aelbereth6690]

The "napkin" that was wrapped around Jesus' head is the Sudarium of Oviedo, a bloodstained cloth whose stains exactly match the bloodstains in the head area of the Shroud. So that just confirms the authenticity and agrees with the Gospel account.

[@jacktracy8356]

@@aelbereth6690 ....and I suppose the eyewitnesses, Peter and John, thought it better to keep it a secret for hundreds of years especially when writing the Holy Scriptures???? The shroud is a full body image. Jewish burial clothing was linen wrapped around the body and a separate head covering bound about the head.

[@StanleyPinchak]

​@@jacktracy8356Yes, exactly like the Sudarium of Oviedo. 😂

[@CarolannBrendel]

Revelation 13:15-15

[@benmarriott7396]

sorry but go to the bible and see that it does not agree with scripture: John 20:6-8 John 20:6-7 [6] Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen cloths lying there, [7] and the face cloth, which had been on Jesus’ head, not lying with the linen cloths but folded up in a place by itself. note there are two cloths, one separately for the head, which we do not see in this forgery.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Those of us that have studied the Shroud and are _not_ morons know that the facecloth of Jesus is today in Spain where it has been for the last *1400 years.* It is known as the Sudarium of Oviedo. These days, it truly takes an imbecile, or at least someone incredibly ignorant, to call the Shroud of Turin a fake.

[@user-cv7cw1jm2p]

I love God's truth -- and the truth is - as the WORD proclaims -- it is a shame for a man to have long hair --- this is just another lie from what falsely claims to be following Jesus Christ. Wolves in sheep's clothing.

[@Torgo-and-the-Lucifer-Cat]

It doesn't prove anything. And if you had faith, you wouldn't need miracles. Miracles are a crutch for the faithless. Is your faith so weak you need physical articles? ❤

[@Marv0712]

Who said that anyone needed "Physical articles" ? and who said that we need Miracles? It's simply evidence of his existance, which supports historical claims of the bible. Miracles are a proof of power and a testament of existance. And the faithless don't care about miracles. people could suddenly regain their voice on tape and people wouldn't care.

[@Torgo-and-the-Lucifer-Cat]

@@Marv0712 okay, but why do you need "proof" anyway? That was my point.

[@jerrytang3146]

The host had the easiest episode in her life. All she had to do at the end was say goodbye. LOL! Fr. robert was carried away. Actually, he can talk for 24 hours nonstop about The Holy Shroud.

[@billybobwombat2231]

Some wishful thinking methinks

[@oldtimeycabins]

A sucker born every day

[@bleirdo_dude]

Praise the Holy Dopamine Ghost.

[@jjt9201]

A very talented forger. In 1355, when it suddenly popped up in Lirey near Paris, In 1390, the Bishop of Troyes, Pierre d'Arcis, who had jurisdiction over the church in Lirey, wrote a lengthy memorandum to Antipope Clement VII , declaring that the shroud was a forgery and that a previous Bishop of Troyes, Henri de Poitiers, had identified the artist who had made it. Nevertheless, Clement VII allowed pilgims to have access to the schroud on the condition that a warning be posted next to the shroud inticating that it was not the true shroud but A COPY OF THE REAL ONE. Have a look at the mess around the shroud at this time. Now at a moment when christianity is declining, when the catholic church is in disarray (pedofilia, internal fights...) and the west waging a new crusade to expel muslims from Europe, the shroud authenticity comes at the right time. I personnaly doubt that scanners where invented during the first century of our era. THis is not the end of the story. To be continued.....

[@Marv0712]

So the scientific methods of the 1300's are more accurate and trustworthy than the scientific methods we use today?

[@jjt9201]

@@Marv0712 Please Read carefully. what I wrote. Anyway: Why did Einstein, a jew, wrote in 1953 to Gurkind: " The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them. (and more)". Islam? Christianity? Judaism? What did they (mostly monotheism ) teach for centuries? The god of the bible? Let's have a look. 6000 years ago God made the earth. A flat earth. He made the sun, a bright golden disk that roses in the morning, a silver disk that rose at night, as well as a few shining spots in the sky. He made a few rivers and mountains, a few animals, a man and a woman (see Sistine Chapel's ceiling) . After that, a bit tired, he took a day off. The Earth was the center of the world. The sky. Say up to the clouds for when men built a tower, a tiny tower, it disturbed him. In fact: a theater stage. When? According to bishoip James usher, in 1650, the world was created in October, 23rd, 40O4 BC..... THe man at least made kind of effort. I remember a TV program, in the 70s. A young American girl 14 was upset because she had been told at church during all her life that god created the world 4000, 6000 years ago, but now she was studying geology, and the world became suddenly billions of years older? She looked very very upset. NOw this is what the church imposed upon people for centuries, In case of discrepency -> death. From XVI, XVII century? Ideas take a new turn. Amongst men that believed what they did not see, rose men that believed what they saw. I'll made it short. Galileo, Newton, Cavendish.... Satellites of Jupiter are observed, laws of motion, ... THe earth is no more flat, it is a sphere. The earth is no more the center of the world, But revolves round the sun, stars become planets... The church? No move. Keeps telling the same bible. Believes what it does not see still. Later on? Howen, Huxley, Owen, Cuviers, Mantell. and more. Fossiles won the game. Here comes astronomy, geology particularly paleontology, chemistry, physics, etc. Big vertebrae appear in Europe and the States. The world is far older than expected. Many scientists are upset. But the men that believe what they see cant help it: THe age of the world, the size of the world increases every year. The church? No move. Keeps telling the same bible. Believes what it does not see still. From XVIII, XIX century and on? Come LLegan Darwin, Planck, Wallace, Einstein, Schrodinger, Von Neumann, Feynman, Le Maître)… Hubble, Humason…. Lambda-CDM (Refered to as Big Bang) model comes up. From an already existing "small bubble" 1,616 × 10-35 in diameter that decided to expend 13 800 000 000 years ago, something pops up. A new, another universe? The world is now more than 10 billions years old and billions of ligth years wide. THis is what science knows today. Data does 'nt tell more than what they tell. The church? No move. Keeps telling the same bible. Believes what it does not see still. But: Suddenly the old "has been" god of the bible mutates. Superman, Lady Bug, Bat Man, and the likes all at once. And suggests that the creation of the god of the bible is an allegory. Where do all these people stand? Easy, today, monotheism wisely gets rid of its old god of the bible, to sell a brand new one. But to get rid of the genesis or to state that it is an allegory is equal to get rid of the laws of Newton in classical mechanics: the whole theory crambles. Old habits and procedures go on: since the world is so sophisticated and "nobody knows where we come from still"l: back to square one -> god. Now here is a brand new god, culminating on a no start no end world I described before. When Einstein said "God does not play dices". He did not mean the god of the bible. He meant kind of "watchmaker". He was very careful. When he was asked "Do you believe in god?" . He answered "Tell me which god? And I'll tell you". Clearly Einstein rejected the god of the bible. 100%. So what? False premises: The bible. When Einstein said "God does not play dices". He did not mean the god of the bible. He meant kind of "watchmaker". He was very careful. When he was asked "Do you believe in god?" . He answered "Tell me which god? And I'll tell you". Clearly Einstein rejected the god of the bible. 100%. There is no such thing as a god of the bible-> no bible -> no virgin mary -> no son of god -> no resurrection, No judaism, no islam. An allegory. When does it start to be true? If ever. Maybe a few historical facts, locations, as it happens in all legends. If you get rid of genesis, or say it's an allegory, it is like gettng rid of Newtons laws in classical mechanics: the whole thing crumbles. It is noticeable that nowadays, the catholic church teaches god, jc and dinosaurs altogether to children from 3, 4 years old. Surprise. I dont buy buy any of the gods of believers: neither the old fashion one, nor the new one. No need for god. Forget the product of religions: sin, paradise, hell, ..... Forget fear. Cause: fear, effect: religion. NO. I stick to the fact that there is no explaination to "where do we come from" yet. I regret that many people behave like primitive beings still: fear of lightnings. No explaination -> god. Today: fear of complexity. No explaination -> god. The wheel rolls and rolls again.... Believers need non believers to intend to reassure themselves. To no avail. Bear in mind that non believers never waged war against themselves contrarily to what believers did and do: catholics, protestants, muslims, shiites, sunnites and the likes. Non believers are not a source of wars or genocides. I did not add a chapter regarding the catholic church crimes, and others religions crimes .....

[@qoseqqoseq]

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[@PaulHarris-sl1ct]

I am so relieved that the shroud of Turin is 2000 years old. Happy birthday Mr Shroud. However there's still no conclusive scientific or archaeological proof that Jesus ever actually lived.

[@Brosepha]

Theres no proof you ever lived either

[@davidgrieve7854]

There’s actually more proof Jesus actually lived than Julius Caesar -look it up !

[@franzesco]

Even the atheist scholar Bart ehrman would call your comment incredibly stupid, no serious historian denies the existence of Jesus of nazareth

[@PaulHarris-sl1ct]

@@franzesco actually no serious scholars have found any evidence of his existence.

[@franzesco]

@@PaulHarris-sl1ct you cannot be serious😂😂 there’s even historical accounts outside of the bible from the first century. the historian Josephus and also the Roman tacitus both spoke of the man Jesus of Nazareth. He definitely existed, the only thing you should question is whether he was God or not

[@hermietoledo1186]

🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️❤️⛪️✝️🇵🇭❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@aorinz]

Holy napkin

[@StanleyPinchak]

That is the Sudarium of Oviedo

[@Abadguyy]

Just bring it near a possessed person😂you will see if it's real

[@johnwattdotca]

Talking like this goes against the words of Jesus of Nazareth. That's good enough for me. The shroud has always been around and has always been found out to be from the 1,400s. That goes back to catholic churches showing the body parts of saints, showing they owned them the same way they now try to own Jesus of Nazareth. This isn't going to change my opinion as all those American pedophile priest lawsuits and convictions are occurring.

[@TheLifeProTips]

Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom of Heaven. What does that mean to you? Remember, Jesus’s own Apostles weren’t perfect, as clearly shown in Gospels.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

Well of course there have been fakes. My goodness but what on this planet has not been faked or counterfeited in some way? Well over 100 different scientist, doctors, anthropologists, and other highly trained researchers and their *tens of thousands* of hours of study have _proven_ that the Shroud of Turin was not made by some medieval mad genius in his hut somewhere. These days, only a moron of morons will call the Shroud of Turin a fake. No doubt about that.

[@johnwattdotca]

@@TheLifeProTips Jesus of Nazareth also wasn't perfect. Being perfect was big for Catholics, the pope being half-way from human to being like Jesus. Jesus lost his temper with followers, telling them off so they would back off on the road. Jesus lost his godly cool when he called out to His father on the cross, asking why he was forsaken? Saying Peter had the keys to heaven was good for the Holy Roman Empire, saying Peter came to Rome and showing bones they said were his. Peter never came to Rome.

[@StanleyPinchak]

​@@johnwattdotcaMay God rebuke you Satan!

[@dominiquevillanova2847]

Traduction Française dégueulasse ..☹️☹️☹️

[@e.b.e.7754]

👁️ 🙏🏼Vain illusion nothing new under the Sky. 🙏🏼

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Of course the Shroud's images are not really there. And the earth is not moving either. all an illusion! (LOL!)

[@StanleyPinchak]

Illusion or Selfie?

[@Conservative-Leftie]

Fake...it is like the butcher approving his own meat...

[@beverlyhurd8556]

No intelligent person on Earth today will call the Holy Shroud a fake.

[@jsmovies5071]

I am sorry to say but we can say the same thing about the scientist that did the carbon dating. They approved their own study. If this makes the shroud of Turin fake then I think you would have to question most scientific discoveries.

[@beverlyhurd8556]

@@jsmovies5071 The Shroud image is so incredible that the burden of proof rests on those who think it is a forgery. STURP team spent over two years preparing a series of tests that would gather a vast amount of Shroud data in a relatively short period of time. STURP's primary goal was to determine the scientific properties of the image on the Shroud of Turin, and what might have caused it: After years of exhaustive study and evaluation of the data, STURP issued its Final Report in 1981: *We can conclude for now that the Shroud image is that of a real human form of a scourged, crucified man. It is not the product of an artist* "The answer to the question of how the image was produced or what produced the image remains, now, as it has in the past, a mystery." _No one has ever proven these 33 scientists and engineers wrong._​ All were part of leading tech firms. Los Alamos National Scientific Laboratories* Lockheed Corporation* U.S. Air Force Weapons Laboratories* Brooks Institute of Photography* University of Colorado* Oceanographic Services Inc.* Nuclear Technology Corporation* U.S. Air Force Academy* Jet Propulsion Laboratory* Sandia National Laboratory*, etc. The STRUP team included three Jewish members, one Mormon, one Evangelical, several Catholics, several Protestants and some avowed atheists and agnostics. Had religion ever been a criterion for membership, most of the STURP team members would never have agreed to participate. The notion that it is a forgery (a painting, other work of art) has been disproved so thoroughly and absolutely that it is permanently buried; they are based in part on the denial of empirical data.​ The scholarly consensus a mere 60 years ago deemed the Shroud a medieval fraud; the present evidence allows a firm archaeological judgement for authenticity.

[@bjorkstrand7773]

rubbish

[@retribution999]

Surely if its mid first century it wouldnt be authentic. It would have to be 1AD not 60AD.

[@michigangirl2450]

You are kidding, right?

[@Migster1965]

1AD would be around the time of Jesus's birth, not death.

[@StanleyPinchak]

When did the short bus let you out?

[@jonstaley-q5p]

According to the book of Matthew, Christ the Count of Monte Cristo the greatest Egyptian pharaoh of all time the Son of Man King Mono Basileus General Simon Iscariot Barabbas Arshakuni Bar Giora Izates II the master Sicarius Sicarii Assassin Zealot leader King of The Jews , just before his arrest in Rome in garden after his escape, addressed his very first born son known as the Rock in gospels " the Simon Judas iscariot Peter Rehem namely Eleazar " as Hetaire, which is incorrectly translated " Friend." The thought that the " Unerring One " should address a person deemed his mortal enemy as " friend," an epithet they believed to be false, has been a source of great annoyance to expositors. Really, hetaire is a much more intimate term than *' Friend," for it means " comrade," a military expression, of course. The Mark 14:45, relates the meeting thus: "And when he came, immediately he went up to him and said, ' Rabbi ! rabbi ! ' and he kissed him much," It is not unreasonable to suppose that the initial letter in " Rabbi " has been an early addition to the original text, which, accordingly, would previously have read, " And when he came, he immediately went up to him and said, ' Abbi ! abbi ! ' ('My father! My father!') and kissed him very affectionately. It is not reasonable to assume that such a positive character as the Son of Man undoubtedly was, would knowingly permit a traitor to approach him within arms' length and " to kiss him very tenderly " as a sign to an enemy. It is more than likely that he returned the sincere embrace with equal warmth, and that as they parted from each other's arms, he perceived the officers of General Titus who had shadowed his son, and at that moment, discovering that all was over, he said, with infinite sadness, as may be gleaned from the Luke 22:48, "Darling Son [Jehidi], with your kiss you have betrayed the Son of Man." In Rome at that time was also Berenike (pronounced " veraneeka," that is, "Veronica"), the sister of Herod Agrippa II and favorite of general Titus and mistress , her country's destroyer, whom only political considerations prevented from becoming the Empress of Rome. It is not unlikely there is some truth in the story of the apocryphal Gospel of Nicodemus, and that she, too, moved by pity and patriotic piety, may have dipped her kerchief in the jewish General martyr's blood, or, indeed, mercifully spread the cloth as a screen over the mangled face features of the fallen Son of Man Christ!

[@StanleyPinchak]

Stop! Get some help.

[@GhostintheValley]

He's a liar, the shroud is 1000 years old as Christ reigned on Earth already. You and I are in the year 1024, not 2024. At some point the dates were changed from ex. i556 to 1556, they added 1000 years to our timeline.

[@GhostintheValley]

How do I know this? Well, my name is Shiloh in the Bible.

[@StanleyPinchak]

Lol. Put down the crack pipe😂

[@rokitman5753]

Jesus'beard was tore from His face that is not His shroud

[@johndanielharold3633]

Actually the Shroud does attest to part of his beard having been torn off.

[@markwelch9250]

Well, now you have to answer who's shroud it is, how their image got burned onto it, how it got all of the dirt and pollen from Jerusalem, why this person was crucified, etc, etc, etc. Your simple dismissal raises more questions than it answers, while all of the evidence of the shroud and the person on it screams “I was wrapped around Jesus.”

[@markmcintosh9448]

How did you determine that his beard was torn from his face?

[@ricardusdanisworo3086]

You need to read story from a jewish sceptics photographer who have been assigned year and years by vatican to study this

[@David-et7gk]

@@markmcintosh9448 kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnLFpnpjpLukZ7M

[@carolrado5730]

Does GOD break His own rules? Is God double-minded? God said make no image MALE or female, so people worship an object that has no power. (Deut 4:16). Also, Isaiah 53:2 "He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him." The beautiful, white, long-haired guy was reportedly Micheangelos gay lover.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

God breaks the rules that he made for man all the time. Those rules do not apply to him as is attested in many bible passages.

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STOP ✋ RANTING ! STOP BEING OBSESSED ABOUT IMAGES ! YOU ARE AS BAD AS MUSLIMS ABOUT THE IMAGE OF MUHAMMAD 😅

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