Si Ne thought process EXAMPLE (and analysis)

[@TheSnugglery]

I've also noticed Ne users have more "fun" with possibilities like this guy did. The Ni users I know are a lot more serious about/invested in their ideas. They dont joke about theoretical stuff, at least the ones I know. They're more likely to tell a funny story about something that happened rather than the Ne goofy scenario shtick.

[@alnapm8703]

It is the one you know. Ni users do joke about theoretical stuffs but for se purposes, to give others a good experience.

[@sourgrapes7482]

"Ne goofy scenario shtick" yes

[@abadi173]

Im a Ni Se user and when an Ne Si user does this i get really excited, its like opening a new box of endless opportunities, my problem is that i want the box but its hard for me to find it , a high Ne users comes and gives it to me and that never fails to amaze me, i truly like its when XNXPs does this, its sad to see society turning down thier creativity when it can be so revolutionary.

[@melannydayrethratliff1309]

Thank you 😭😭

[@Damphouse]

This has helped me realize I use Ni waaaaay more than Ne. But with that being said, I still use ne quite often, I just don't retain or care for most of the ideas that come from that way of processing.

[@cowfromtown]

That probably means that you are an INTJ or INFJ!

[@Damphouse]

@@cowfromtown yup I test as INTJ almost every time lol

[@luckyswine]

My INTJ friend has quick unconscious Ne also. He just doesn't value it.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

While I found your description of the Ne/Si axis very accurate, I do not agree with the idea that Ti *expands* definitions by validating everyone's opinion. Rather what Fe does is *supress* the externalization of Ti thoughts in a group setting. So when a Ti user thinks or believes in something in their head, but they know it's not socially acceptable to say it, then they will keep it to themselves. They still think it and keep thinking it internally, but Fe stops the Ti from expressing itself fully to prevent social disharmony or lowering of own perceived value. Ti does really not start believing or thinking things just becasue the Fe thinks other people have value.

[@melannydayrethratliff1309]

Me too. I'm sometimes feel like i can't do somethink because i will hurt or bother somebody. And I'm in touch with my feeling, but if just that may way of talking and thinking is very clear Ti. Ti don't make my Fe function disappear.

[@rowanjoy419]

yeah I was quite confuse at first when i did many quizzes and just give me always the same result of being INTP, but sometimes I like to have the validation of somebody else, so for that I thought that maybe I'm not intp, but then I realize that axis exist.

[@luckyswine]

This is accurate. Ti doesn't care about Fe at all. It's function is objectivity and bias removal.

[@mistym.4236]

As an ISFP, with Se/Ni, I have about a minute’s worth of energy to engage in the type of thinking with the werewolf example before I need to just move on 😂 there’s no basis in reality. However, trying to play the game with the part where he says “what if the werewolf bites a chair,” my Ni did come up with the plot that maybe this werewolf has amnesia where he can’t remember what he’s supposed to bite or he’s trying to fulfill his urge to bite because he’s trying to be a good werewolf. Crazy!

[@RaidenShogun..]

I have a question. Ne is your blindspot function so can you attempt to use Ne?

[@denissesantillan6218]

Ne is such a fun mental exercise. I'm never bored. 😀 I don't usually ruminate on the past to wish things were different. I did when I was younger. Now I just add it to my Ne thoughts and experiences.

[@benjaminfast5496]

I've been trying to settle on my type between ENFP/INFP/INFJ for a while now and your videos are helping me settle on being an INFP. The Ne/Si axis makes so much sense for me. Most of my ideas are rooted in something I took note of from the physical world followed by me thinking "what if?" That idea branches out to a new one, and it continues to evolve until I have some that I "think" is unique. Often I'll share an idea with someone and they'll connect it to something that they've read/seen before and then I realize it's not a new concept. I've forgotten all the connections and in my mind it's completely new. I created an entire concept for a story and told my brother about it. Turns out it was very similar to a Stephen King novel. Initially I was incredibly disappointed that my idea wasn't as unique as I first thought. But, having had never heard of/read the book he was referring to I then I felt very proud of myself for coming up with an idea that Stephen King ALSO thought of. I scrapped the idea, but I got a confidence boost that I can still come up with cool concepts that could become something more one day. That's interesting that an strong Ni user will be more likely to come up with an actual new concept that can't be traced back to something (that can be explained at least.) I really envy that quality.

[@johnknight9150]

INTJ: Yes, I do experience this, but probably to a much lesser degree. We can still brainstorm and go into the silly fun stuff, but eventually the instinct of 'where is this going, how do I actually use it?' kicks in.

[@erikabutler6893]

You typed me ENFJ. As an Ni-user, here's how I see it: "What if a werewolf bites a chair", then it looks like the chair will get damaged because werewolves probably have pretty sharp teeth. It might even become unusable and have to be thrown out.

[@kkumzone]

this clarified to me that i use Si Ne more than Se Ni. i use to think of think of the past and think of the different what ifs. i really thought of my life before the pandemic and what would my life be in the school, house and more if the pandemic didn't happen. now, i understand myself better so thank you!

[@caramelunicorn8023]

Despite not being an Ne-Si user, I definitely find the thought process of it very entertaining and exciting, and makes you think outside of the box.

[@livelaughsol7066]

I relate a lot. When thinking of new ideas, I look back into the past and see things that have already worked for other people and for me and build upon them or change them slightly.

[@Liam-xf5tv]

Great video! Could you show in a similar video a Se-Ni example?

[@comfortm1506]

I think I'm an ISFP which would mean I have Ne polr so yh I'd rarely if ever find myself in these situations tbh unless an Ne-user forces me to do so. A werewolf biting a fish or chair has no consequence in my mind. Like it's not werewolf-bitten things = were + thing. It's more werewolf-bitten human = werewolf which is a formula that remains unchanged even in this hypothetical where werewolves exist, humans being bitten is the main, unchanging component. So a werewolf-bitten chair/fish, etc. = chair/fish, etc. Maybe I'd allow leeway for the possibility of a werefish because it's a living animal which falls under the same umbrella as humans. But the idea of a werechair feels like it cheapens the lore.

[@jankom.7783]

INTJ here, and I just made a comment, that from Ni point of view, werewolf is human, who transforms into wolf, and its bite can transforms only another human. Nice.

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

I think there's no ideal way to deal with definitions in typology, as the things we try to define are concepts. If one just gives the concept a name like the OBS people are doing, then it leaves a lot open to interpretation as it's not so defined what these short phrases they use really mean in a more concrete way . However, the opposite is something like Socionics where things have endlessly long descriptions that aim to paint the picture as concrete and objective as possible in order to define what everything exacly means. However, by having these long concrete descriptions of things, it can seem less clear what the main meaning was again. Basically socionics is long a detailed (Si) and OBS is very general and abstract (Ni). The Ni way to describe things will always be too broad and abstract to clearly compare to our concrete world and the Si way will always be a detailed attempt at describing something that is essentially an abstract concept, so can never fully be translated into concrete language perfectly.

[@writerducky2589]

There are times when I wonder if I may be an ISFP instead of INFP, but I really relate to this example and thought process of Ne-Si. Not to mention Se trickster trips me up constantly.

[@mewantfoodtybye3421]

okay so when you’re in a situation, do you see the picture (vision) with raw details (with no ideas or theories behind) then try finding *a single connection between them*, the meaning of the picture (for example you see an empty overturned bottle with water all around it, the bottle cap is missing, the bottle itself is a bit damaged and has some scratches over the side facing the floor and a bit of water inside of it, you then notice the shape of the water(it sounds wrong ik lol), there are some drops a bit far away from it, you then conclude that the bottle has been thrown from a certain height based on the shape of the water), or do you see the picture (vision) with some details, then (maybe) relate it to something that you have already seen (if you did), then try finding *multiple connections between them to then conclude the final (real) connection*, the meaning of the picture (for example you see an empty overturned bottle with water all around it, you then remember that the position of the bottle is the same as when you throw it from a certain height, then you see that there is no bottle cap and the bottle is a bit damaged and mostly over the side facing the floor, you see the water and notice the drops around it, you then remember that day when you poured water on the floor and the shape of it is very similar to this one, you then start making some “open conclusions (do we even say this lol?)”, you say “maybe the bottle way empty but then water was poured over it” and “maybe the water was already there and then the bottle was thrown over it” and much much more (depending on the information you gathered), to conclude it into one and only one possibility, you then see that there is water inside the bottle, and then directly conclude that the water is from this bottle itself, based on your experience and your possibilities you finally (phew) conclude that the bottle was thrown from a certain height), of course it’s not 100% the same as this but it pretty much explains it, so as you guessed, if you are *mostly* analyzing the same as the first one, then you are a se ni user (please keep in mind that this should be the way you analyze your surroundings when exposed to a new situation, you can’t be both tho) and if you are *mostly* analyzing the same as the second one, then you are a ne si user (also the most you experienced similar situations, the best you’ll use your si) also it doesn’t matter if ur se/si or ne/ni dom/aux because it will be the same as non dom/aux, annnnndddd when explaining the point of views, i made it seem like it took an eternity while it’s not, it takes just some seconds so yea thats pretty much it, also i hope i helped you understand your perceiving functions and was clear with my explanation

[@writerducky2589]

@@mewantfoodtybye3421 Had to think about this for a while. I feel like the first example is my starting point and then I do what's described in the second example if I'm unhappy with my first conclusion. I feel like if it's a new situation I'll consider it more in a Se-Ni way with no preset theory because I have no similar experience to draw on. If I do have similar experiences to draw on I do it in a more Ne-Si way. Say my brother is making himself a bowl of hot oatmeal (or whatever it's called in English), I can tell just from the sounds. "That sounds like when you pour grains, and that sounds like when you pour sugar, that's the sound of milk pouring, and that's the microwave door. I know he likes to eat oatmeal, and the preparation of that food is the only one I know that matches all those sounds. Conclusion: he's going to eat a bowl of oatmeal." The fact I notice these things at all seems Se to me, but the fact I match everything to my experience bank seems Si. Then again, even if there is something to it I feel that strictly adhering to the idea of IEIE/EIEI stacking of the functions is disregarding our abilities with all of them. And also that it's more fruitful to look at the motivations behind the functions rather than how they express themselves because they tend to look very similar to one another, and very different from person to person. But thanks anyway, I appreciate it.

[@theloniusmonk1263]

Dear Calypso, I think most typology KZbinrs are utter trash. You, however are quite good, except when you use vultology. I enjoy your insights.

[@FOXARUS]

I agree

[@sikeitoobroke638]

Oop-

[@twinesper]

That was a great breakdown! This really helps explain my preferences in fiction and why I tend to not particularly favor the mass abundance of INFJ writers out there. I always liked what if, travel to the past, time loop, reincarnation, regression, or whatever else type scenarios. By Jungian function usage, not MBTI methods, I am Ti Ne Fi Ni Si.

[@luckyswine]

I'm guessing you're INTP. 1st, 2nd and 8th functions are strong

[@twinesper]

​@@luckyswine Yes. 1st and 2nd functions give ones MBTI type. The order of usage after that seems to gravitate toward a mean of the normal function layout but that is only a model and other function orders are possible.

[@maxfleming447]

On NiSe exploring possibilities: As an INTJ, my normal is to create a future outcome from a palette of things I know exist, including insights hidden from Ne. Past successes and failures are useful data sources, but I do not have the same reverence for the past as an NeSI would. I prefer to pivot to the new rather than evolve the old. But I will get stuck, I need something not on my palette, bless all NeSi users. I switch into pseudo Ne mode with 40 browser tabs open. Alas, when I find enough of what I am looking for, I will lose interest in exploring endless possibilities soon, my Ni is itching to converge so my Te can build.

[@valzugg]

Yeah ruminating is my jam. As in i get stuck in it like jam. It gets me eternally undecided about everything, because i keep wondering if i have made the wrong decisions, imagining how much better things could have been if i had done things differently. Its a lot more productive of a way of thinking when im activated to create something new instead.

[@tofusamurai22]

Ne uses Si as the "anchor into reality" (SPECIFIC with objects/known reality). I agree that Ni would more use the "themes"/conceptual narrative, and not be as object-focused to anchor the concepts, or at least not be very specific

[@moatemsulongchar8418]

When he ask the audience ' what if the warewolf bites a chair ' I'm like: No!! Again: The chair is already dead tree so nothing is happening to that chair. Again: If it was a bite to a tree then I would think about it then.

[@jankom.7783]

Se-Ni people naturally understand definitions of things from constant categorization of physical objects. Werewolf is human which transforms into wolf at certain occasions. And its bite only transforms humans into werewolf. Ni person would not go there, though we do make jokes about making conclusions from insufficient data, making fun of Ne. Just like person in the example makes fun of Ni, who, from Ne person point of view, make judgements without enough Ne conditions. The conditions exist, we are aware of them, we just don't express them, because they seem obvious. Stating obvious facts is another way Se-Ni make jokes. Ne-Si, as in this example, rely much more heavily on logic to figure things out from insufficient data. All of Ne-Si users. Se-Ni prefer raw data. And logic revolves around ways to gather that data.

[@luckyswine]

Gaiman is poster boy INFP. I'd validate your reading of genre adjustment as characteristic Ne/si axis. Plus INFPs love fairytale, perhaps because of the Fi/Si... They remember their emotional response to those stories with childlike vividness.

[@britneysham1232k10]

I see how this links to your productivity video when you said Ne/Si improves an existing target (whereas Ni/Se constructs a new one). Considering what has? (Si) and what if (Ne) is necessary to improve something - in this case a trope. I imagine if Ni/Se user approach to remixing a trope would be to create a new 'what will?' (Ni) trope based on 'what can?' (Se) dynamics in the real world that exist but are glossed over. One likely to be more realistic than Ne/Si.

[@cass8330]

This was really good thank you

[@davelyon852]

What if you recorded your videos while sitting on a werewolf instead of a chair?

[@ThomasOdelll]

I just wish we could develop some scientific evidence that verifies this stuff because it seems so real and true.

[@timothyo718]

Glad you have been pumping out a lot of content lately. You disappeared for a long time. You are one of the few MBTI KZbinrs I still watch. Can’t stand CS Joseph anymore.

[@muhsinashardow998]

Why can't you stand him anymore?

[@actionchaplain1]

If I may ask, who else do you watch? Right now, I'm also turning towards Meghan Levota and Aimee Y.

[@NoOne-wt6om]

My Ne goes crazy when writing a story or a poem or when I'm drawing surrealistic.

[@jeremylim6686]

Great video!! It enlightened me a lot! I believe I'm an Ni/Se or vicr versa.

[@Mijolite]

I think the way Ti-Fe works isn't validating everyone's experiences and taking in more and more - I think it aims to take in everyone's valid experiences and extract what is universal in all of them, creating an universal definition that only contains the core of it. So in my experience Ti creates quite small definitions, or at least aims to - they might not end up actually small, but they aim to be the smallest possible, without being imprecise or too verbose about something.

[@intestinumcaecum1749]

Its interesting... for sure, but... what if goldfish bite a werewolf?

[@stevo946]

Does this sound like Si-Ne or Se-Ni to you? I was thinking sushi for dinner and my cousin was like, hey I’m getting pizza for dinner - it’ll be like $8 if you want to add one on. I thought pizza could work, but then I thought about what I actually wanted and said maybe, do they have cold, sushi pizza? And I pictured pizza with sushi on top lol. Kinda seems like Ni-Se but I’m not sure.

[@chunis]

Does anyone know where can I find the music that always sounds at the end? I really like it

[@NoOne-wt6om]

I still disagree with you typing Neil Gaiman as ISFJ, in this video he shows lots of high Ne.

[@august8679]

That idea is the stupidest one I’ve ever seen. A chair is not alive, so if a werewolf bites it, nothing will happen. If a werewolf bit a goldfish, it would probably end up eating it. I see how there could be something more realistic, like a werewolf biting a cat, but a werewolf biting a chair is not realistic.

[@brocklytodd5317]

c:

[@PowerRedBullTypology]

Well, that's true of course