Side by side comparison of ‘Requiem’ motif and ‘War Without Reason’ motif

Comparison of two motifs in ULTRAKILL which sound alike. Songs made by Heaven Pierce Her (Hakita).

[@mackquack7]

discord.gg/Ja3S4nXu Merry Christmas everyone! I just realised that I found this thumbnail from someone who viewed this video. They commented that I used the same thumbnail as them, and I thought that was pretty cool. Anyways, credits to Hakita for creating these songs. (Sorry for the low quality covers, I don’t know why youtube lowered the quality so much.)

[@blimp9741]

I think this is because the lust layer is originally a celebration of humanities achievements while the violence layer is a testament to how catastrophic it’s faults were so this music reflects that

[@mackquack7]

That’s quite an interesting point, I agree.

[@qwertyqeys]

it also fits since the earthmovers doubled as cities, so both levels are V1 fighting through long abandoned human settlements

[@originalname4176]

"Look what we've done!"-Lust. "what have we done."-violence

[@anarchicpancake2840]

One represents Love The other represents Hate

[@ThuyvanNguyenthi-hw4dz]

Or because minotaur is in the violence layer

[@conic2721]

at this point Requiem isn't even the Lust motif, it's the theme for humanity as a whole. Minos, one of the last bastions of humanity, had this motif in his theme, ORDER The Machines from L7, the last war machines created by humanity (and the creatures of steel V1 was created to slay), have this motif. Requiem, the theme that blasts through the last human civilization, had this motif

[@mackquack7]

Yeah I really like that idea.

[@rodrigohaddad3798]

true

[@thehm3840]

Humanity's Requiem.

[@starmario144]

V1 was created to slay 💅💅💅

[@Kusari_Downpour]

@@starmario144 V1 was created to slay. 🔪🔪🔪

[@dotmeme_thecola]

Hearing this you know this is the final act of Ultrakill

[@mackquack7]

Yeah layer seven is pretty great, especially the OST.

[@franilovic4139]

Hearing requiem means you are in the first act

[@mackquack7]

@@franilovic4139 Yes, but the motif from it returns later on in the game.

[@jorgearmandosoriano6108]

​@@mackquack7plus it returns with Minos Prime song

[@mackquack7]

@@jorgearmandosoriano6108 Yeah.

[@MagicianStevey]

I remember going through the first time and being like “huh this reminds me of lust” before absolutely getting destroyed by security

[@mackquack7]

😂I really liked the boss fight.

[@dabbingraccoons6416]

I first tried the security some fucking how, I almost died and some how clutched up. I barely knew what I was doing

[@mackquack7]

@@dabbingraccoons6416 I died 2 times on the security because I was attacking the wrong thing. 😂

[@smileguyanimations8776]

Me: I’m low health, I think I’ll get some blood Guttertank’s Fist: baby don’t hurt me… don’t hurt me…. no more…

[@Terratomere]

@@dabbingraccoons6416 honestly security was easy

[@OWLSIN]

My thoughts on why the music's sound similar is because, both "war without reason" and the lust leitmotif represents some sort of sadness onto them, lust is like despair and tragic while violence is more like grief and loneliness

[@mackquack7]

The forest in 7-3 is actually supposed to be a suicide forest, which makes sense with what you are saying. 7-3 also has Gabriel’s theme in it too.

[@ldkWhatToWriteHere]

They also both represent the fall of humanity (though lust represents the failure to bring it back)

[@lambda760]

​@mackquack7 makes sense since he's currently commiting suicide at the time V1 is in 7-3

[@flamango8047]

@@mackquack7 Gabriel is Logan Paul confirmed!!!!????!!!???!!??!??

[@banice6211]

@@mackquack7 that one violin note literally make my brain think that Gabriel is here after me constantly bullying him and hearing his OST multiple times over.

[@lonelyshpee7873]

Ultrakill fans when they hear the sound of their bones breaking when I hit them with a metal bat (it's a requiem leitmotif)

[@owencmyk]

I did find a lot of the music sounded like songs from the Lust layer. Maybe because Minos set the Minotaur free here? Idk. But also some of the parts in The World Looks Red sound like parts from Minos Prime's theme (though I don't know which level the motifs originally came from)

[@mackquack7]

Yeah I know what you mean. I’m not too sure about the lore, but it does talk about that in their enemy logs.

[@collectiusindefinitus6935]

The Lust layer seems to have been rebuilt to look like cities on Earth, likely new peace era, while the violence layer mimics final war earth. So maybe that could be a link.

[@elitemetropolice4551]

the requiem leitmotif is used literally everywhere in this game and it somehow always has a meaning with minos its used at the city of lust's ruins (2-2) (i dont need to explain) its used at 3-1, and the entrance to gluttony is through minos' husk's mouth. gluttony however is NOT inside minos its used at ORDER (i dont need to explain) its used at the world looks red (relation to minotaur or smth) its used at war without reason and i dont even know why its used here other than to sound badass honorable mention: danse macabre contains the same leitmotif of sands of tide used in WAR. i have no idea why other than to sound cool.

[@CalamariGirl]

*Minostaur.*

[@mackquack7]

@@elitemetropolice4551Yeah that’s quite interesting.

[@KrispyCopper]

the prime theme of this layer is going to be amazing

[@mackquack7]

I hope this is the p-3 theme.

[@kevins.7702]

Third prime soul will likely be from fraud (or possibly treachery) though, since the previous two prime souls have been mentioned in the books from their layer. Violence's books don't mention anyone so if the pattern holds violence won't have the prime.

[@mackquack7]

@@kevins.7702 It’s almost certainly going to be from layer 8.

[@Achtung403]

@@kevins.7702what about the guy from the Minotaurs description who was blacked out

[@andrehashimoto8056]

​@@mackquack7 But aren't the P doors so far ALL been in the Gauntlet stage of the act? Glutonny was the layer for Minos P door. Heresy was where Sysyphus P door also was located. So following the trend, the Prime soul will be from one of the Layers, and given the lack of any lore about a potential candidate in Layer 7, then Layer 8 or 9 will be, but we also meed to consider WHAT Layer our last meeting with Gabe will be, remember he literally commited TREASON against Heaven's Council (Corrupt/arrogant twats, but still) before dropping down hell for one last fight against V1

[@brillum]

wake up babe new bittersweet ultrakill motif dropped

[@hospy.]

Everything revolves back to the requiem.

[@mackquack7]

I does appear quite a few times.

[@flamepig2717]

could be like humanity letimof: minos loved humanity, and the machine was created by humans?

[@pachurro2762]

requiem motif

[@mackquack7]

It’s quite close to requiem, so I imagine that it could be related to minos.

[@B_4035mn]

@@mackquack7 What you're not piecing together is that uh... Minos has nothing to do with the earthmover. 💀 I think humanity, the sadness and regret of god, or perhaps tragedy or peril is what the requiem leitmotif truly represents, as it typically appears in areas filled with tragedy or peril, or both, IE: The lust layer. (Tragedy.) Minos boss fight. (Tragedy.) 1000-THR "EARTHMOVER" boss fight. (Peril, and possibly tragedy, considering that it is "War without purpose." and humanity is dead, as well as the highly specific timing of it appearing at phase 10 of the "fight" aka the timed arena escape phase.) Also, I'm pretty sure there's more themes that use this leitmotif that I've either not listened to enough, or perhaps just don't care about, so if there is, feel free to comment. Plus, due to the overall flexibility, I don't think this leitmotif is for one specific character, as the motif seems to emotionally change vastly depending on the situation. Note: I just came to an epiphany, knowing that the motifs such as "requiem" and "Sands of tide" have to do with the rulers of those layers, I wonder if those motifs have to do with the emotions aswell, so in the context of the Violence layer, I wonder if the requiem leitmotif has to do with the love of violence, or war, which would make sense considering the sentient terminals and V1 finally fulfilling their original purpose. (Destroying earthmovers.) Which in all honesty kindof feels like the machines are straight up paying tribute to or ending the original war, so, I think the next levels will probably be about V1 surpassing their own limits.

[@mackquack7]

@@B_4035mn Yeah, I think minos could have something to do with the earthmover. I think that the ‘Glory’ theme, which is similar to the themes in minos’ layer, is used in ‘War Without Reason’.

[@hehehe88]

It's similar, but not the same. I dunno if this implies a connection, moreso than the -minotaur-. Hakita does do this, but they are usually a little more direct than this. This just might be a case of something sounding similar, because its from the same artist who has the same tastes, and theres just a reach for connections here. I do think this throughline IS our leitmotif, and i do think it'll be used to convey something about whatever prime we'll be facing, along with the trend that is being set. Minos was a kind soul, and what befell him and his layer was a tragedy. Sisyphus was not necessarily kind, in fact his lore paints him to be quite ruthless, but still had something of a purpose that drove him, and his insurrection was justified. This next prime, i imagine, will be the worst of the bunch. Something that deserves it's imprisonment, Heaven's fear and action, and the redaction of records in the terminals. The leitmotif doesn't feel like the others; it feels like something has been waiting with nothing but the worst intentions, something that is personfied in this acts layers of violence, fraud, and treachery.

[@mackquack7]

I think this theme represents the tragedy of minos’ downfall and the aftermath.

[@tangereine5503]

Tantalus, King of Greece, broke all the god's rules and was generally unpleasant, stole and cooked his son into the meals the gods ate when they dined with him, The only person to eat was Demeter. and hence his son was brought back to life with a prosthetic shoulder. I reckon this man is the next prime soul. He was violent (Killed and cooked his son) He was fraudulent (He cooked his son into the meals of the gods), and was treacherous, as he betrayed both his son and the gods. This man right here. Good possibility for P3.

[@mackquack7]

@@tangereine5503 Yeah, I think that’s another promising contestant.

[@ignacionachoberardo3837]

​@@tangereine5503plus hes an important figure of greek history, just like king minos and king sisyphus

[@insert-qk5rv]

​@@tangereine5503but is he in Dante's Inferno?

[@REAL_V1_COFFEE]

Its also a glory motif btw

[@mackquack7]

Yeah

[@twotimesj6478]

I def got vibes of lust in this layer. Imo Layer 7 felt like a microcosm of act 1. Starting in the garden of forking paths, which was like limbo on extreme. Then the ruined mechanical battlefield with lust vibes. Then in the bossfight, the interior of the machine is fleshy, which reminded me a lot of gluttony. It’s just my opinion, but it gets me excited for what layers 8 and 9 can bring, even if they don’t share this pattern.

[@mackquack7]

Yeah, I think al layer 7 songs have some kind of similarity with songs in layer 2.

[@martinnavarrete5279]

Something i feel about this layer that i think about, is that being the violence layer, all those who desing and built the blood fueled machines are condemn to this layer an unending battle that now is being invaded by machines seeking more blood to consume. Meaning all those who made the machines are now beeing hunted and consume by their creations

[@isolatedegg3234]

7-1 is the peace yet tension before the war, 7-2 is during the war, 7-3 is the bitter depressive peace after the war, and 7-4 is the part of the war where the soldiers climb a giant camel.

[@memeskeyoch3375]

Desert storm

[@Sir-P-Pizza]

the final part of war without reason also utilizes altars of apostasy's guitar

[@labbit35]

The lust one sounds more peaceful and such, since it’s Minos sadness towards the lust layer city being destroyed, while the violence one sounds more metal and such, kinda like humanities regret on what have they done after the Earth became nearly uninhabitable.

[@mackquack7]

That makes sense. Order is even more sad when that motif plays.

[@labbit35]

@@mackquack7 yeah. Minos one is sad because it’s HIS sadness. Earthmovers one is more metallic and such because it’s coming from humanity, which at that point is straight up beyond dystopian (since they’re literally living on fucking war machines)

[@averageyoutubehandle497]

They aren't even the same melody lmao! Nothing similar about them.

[@labbit35]

@@averageyoutubehandle497 “not even the same, nothing similar about them” McFucker the Earthmover one is literally the Lust motif but metal. You tone deaf or some shit?

[@taxisalad]

Ultrakill fans try not to hear Requiem in literally anything challenge (impossible)

[@Fanboy_of_everything]

I love how War Without Reason has motifs FROM ITSELF throughout the whole thing. You can notice how the part of it that was played in this video plays during the defense system fight, and that represents a frenzied attack against an organized killing machine…. Sound familiar? It’s representative of how Minos Prime was probably feeling when fighting V1. In case anyone’s wondering, I mean in the defense system fight, V1 wasn’t expecting this huge assortment of weapons blasting it all at once, hence me saying “frenzied attack”.

[@wifi2122]

v1 probably did expect the weapons, hes made to counter it

[@squidking2679]

This part is playing when youre trying to escape the exploding Earthmover

[@SpicyBoi2]

I bet the War without Reason motif is gonna be the motif for Daedalus Prime

[@cosmicpink5616]

Whose that?

[@mackquack7]

It would be pretty cool if this is the p-3 motif, however it is very close to minos’ theme, so I’m not sure if it will. Daedelus prime would be a cool boss fight. I’m not sure if it will be the p-3 boss though, although it is definitely possible.

[@SpicyBoi2]

@cosmicpink5616 a pretty popular speculation for P-3

[@mackquack7]

@@cosmicpink5616It’s a character from greek mythology in the tale of ‘Daedelus and Icarus’

[@crazymcchannel3141]

@@mackquack7 yeah, i was thinking though since the words work out with the fully censored name in the minotaur description, why not Icarus prime? flying too close to the sun is a bit of a staple when it comes to ULTRAKILL's world and plot

[@chysavrc.3643]

I feel like we’ll hear this motif in P3

[@mackquack7]

Yeah we could do, it could tie into minos and humanity and maybe return as part of a layer 8 bosse’s theme. Then maybe that boss will appear in p-3.

[@chysavrc.3643]

@@mackquack7 I do hope that the prime soul will be Lucifer, since it was mentioned in the lore after the fishing secret level that god banished him into hell without thinking. But I don’t think that it’ll be him.. I think that it’s the person that made the Minotaur, since their name is crossed out in the entry.

[@mackquack7]

@@chysavrc.3643 Lucifer would be a really cool boss. It is likely, I’d say, that the creator of the Minotaur will be the next prime soul.

[@chysavrc.3643]

@@mackquack7 My theory is that the next prime soul is someone who creates all demons. Because most really grotesque demons look like the Minotaur. The hideous mass, the sea serpent, the flesh prisons. I wonder. Maybe they locked his soul, because he made too many horrifying demons out of sinners for no apparent reason. I can’t wait to learn more.

[@mackquack7]

@@chysavrc.3643 Yeah that’s possible, considering that there has been a notable ‘grotesque’ boss in every layer.

[@sillig0re]

REQUIEM -> humanity’s rise WAR WITHOUT REASON -> humanity’s fall

[@nombre8527]

V1: Wait... it's all requiem? V2: It always has been

[@Amadk179]

war without reason has a lot of motifs but slightly altered, i personaly think that the predrop kinda sounds like death odyssey and the sound that you can barrely hear during the explosion reminds me of v2's scream

[@NikitaShilo]

yes, these music compositions are simillar, because it's remix of the second move of second Beethoven's symphony. P.S. seven's*

[@mackquack7]

Really?

[@grancoast]

I think either this ending part of WWR or the clarinet part or whatever it is from Suffering Leaves Suffering Leaves might be leitmotifs of P-3, I'd love to see both tho

[@gameo7]

I absolutely love the war without reason theme for how much of a banger it is, but one of the reasons is definitely its connection to previous songs. Lust’s leitmotif is always super recognizable to me

[@jimboanimations4041]

If the third Prime Sanctum comes out and I hear this motif blasting during the fight with its prime soul, I am gonna reach Ultrakill Rank irl.

[@elcarlos2774]

i knew i wasnt fuckin crazy with that similarity

[@pretzneko]

oh my god. its humanitys requiem. lust is the pinnacle of human achievement and violence is the failures of it. its humanitys final piece, like how requiems are always the final piece of a movement. if we hear it again its going to be related to the fall of humanity, because requiem is supposed to be a _conclusion and summary of human existence_ in ultrakill

[@SephirothFan72]

I also like how world looks red has the order leitmotif in it because the Minotaur is in it

[@cjskittles3300]

I wasn't the only person who heard this! Thank god, I thought I was going crazy!

[@neilcicieregamybel0ved]

yo, isnt this minos prime's motif as well?

[@mackquack7]

Yeah, the motif first appears in requiem in 2-2, but it also appears in p-1 as a part of minos prime’s theme.

[@tracynvalus6630]

Thus called the requiem motif

[@spectoestis3106]

@mackquack7 3-2 is gabe, Requiem's in 2-2 Requiem shows up for a little bit in Glory so maybe that's what you're referring to?

[@mackquack7]

@@spectoestis3106 Oh yeah, my bad. I mean 2-2. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@mackquack7]

@@tracynvalus6630 yep

[@DanielSooSchway]

coming back here after Hakita deconfirmed this in the dev live stream and seeing all the schizophrenia plus people making dramatic correlations between Minos and the Earthmover sure is an experience

[@ilalebisap1]

No wonder i feel so attached to this part specificly.

[@fall3166]

I really hope that our next prime soul is from VIOLENCE because if the requiem leitmotif got cooked into ORDER then i can’t imagine what could be done with these motifs

[@hhhhhh-zz2fw]

I want the third prime to use either this motif or _that one part_ at around 0:46 from the world looks red

[@sakuyaizayoi8946]

earthmovers, canonically, before the sun was blotted out was the last bastions and dwellings for humanity, wouldnt be far fetched why lust resembles the "streets" of its lower deck and why it sorta sounds like requirem.

[@retroflame3104]

I’m pretty sure the lore entry is exaggerated for dramatic effect. Ground cities likely still existed away from battlefields considering the industry required to mass produce machines and the technological abilities required to invent new machines like V1 are way too large to fit on the back of an earthmover.

[@theflames3149]

Yeah, in 'The World Looks Red' the organ near the end is playing ORDER aswell!

[@AntiCommunist]

Theres also a motif to "the world looks red" in War Without Reason in the brain room.

[@mackquack7]

Oh, I’ll try to find that.

[@Hadfield15]

I think I hear it now! I think I also hear a little bit of Duel/Versus towards the end

[@vinnyd9958]

I've noticed a motif in the first bit of War Without Reason, and its from *THAT* song from 1-2.

[@UTPTU]

it seems like lust and violence are opposites as love and hate. Many similarities and many complete opposites aspects are scattered between both layers

[@tommybray8640]

I think the reason behind the motif similarity is actually in the definition of requiem ( a mass for the repose of the dead ). both layer have gone through a massive purge like event and the motif symbolizes the great amount of death in their own ways which is why War Without Reasons motif sounds different compared to Requiems motif

[@Xtheartist465]

can't wait to hear the requiem motif in the ending monologue of ultrakill, or an altered version of Silence. Introspection

[@darkwolfstudioes]

The music really instills that act 1 was about the fall of minos act 2 is about the fall of hell and act 3 will be about the fall of humanity while yes gabe is a huge part he is a background character compared to people like minos and sysiphus and how importaint they are the theme of 7-4 is saddness yes the music and battle doesnt portray that but the level does the barren dystroied wasteland that even machines cant walk on without being scorched the red sky and missles falling down from it all equates to a loud and agressive sadness just like requiem

[@yurifairy2969]

There's also bits from Complete and Utter Destruction of the Senses on it

[@jackmartin2897]

heh i get because he is getting lobotomized

[@scp-049]

Just pointing this out, the requiem motif sounds identical to a part in Tenebre Rosso Sangune. Im sure other people have noticed but still

[@kristheultrakillfan]

*HAKITA SAID THERES NO FUCKING LEITMOTI-*

[@mackquack7]

bro i mare this video like 4 months ago not long after the level came out

[@kristheultrakillfan]

@@mackquack7 there still isnt a leitmotif

[@Busser_King]

Daedalus prime bouta be fire

[@mackquack7]

I think it would be a great boss, and it would make sense for him to be in the treachery layer because of what he did to minos.

[@Busser_King]

@mackquack7 and the maze motifs, aswell as the minotaur because he made a maze with a minotaur in I believe Greek mythos

[@mackquack7]

@@Busser_King I thought Daedelus built the maze with the minotaur.

[@Busser_King]

@@mackquack7 yea he did

[@thefirstsalty3055]

i'm pretty sure minos has jurisdiction over violence, and i have a feeling that the music represents some of the harm that was caused or allowed in violence that he did nothing to help with, either with a lack of care, forgotfulness or purposeful hatred

[@user-fi9cu4ms7z]

minos was the judge of hell before gabe

[@SevenOrez707]

Hakita is a freaking genius man.

[@Jellybean_Enthusiast]

my gaming instincts tell me this motif will be used during p-3

[@MetalX34]

>so massive in size, they're seen from literal levels away >programmed to destroy, yet have an entire city on them >benjamin is stuck in fleshy stuff and just wants to do its stuff omfg people benjamin is king minos' body *prime* !1!!1

[@heckega5565]

I think this is the leitmotif of the requiem, since this moment plays during the battle with the guards in the city on the back of mother earthmover, since both cities are echoes of a dead civilization

[@pug4681]

i can feel the earthmover coming inside of me

[@mackquack7]

alright bro

[@Warriorcat_Youtube]

I just want somebody to make War without Reason but the Requiem motif is there, just to see what it sounds like

[@miadesynced]

my opinion on why it’s here is big huge enormous boss in level 4 both layers

[@kaden-sd6vb]

i hope the war without reason motif reappears in the p-3 theme

[@mackquack7]

Wow, I didn’t expect to get this many views. Thanks everyone. Also, thanks for all of the interesting comments.

[@massgunner4152]

Renember that Violence is under control of somebody besides gabriel, and such person is a fan of Minos.

[@HolyDiverGirl]

ultrakill players when theres instruments (they dont share leitmotifs at all)

[@orangeboi3387]

2 cities stand side by side. a great utopia, a leader who belived love shouldnt be punished, flowering and thriving in the most unbelivable of circumstances, where peace and revolution lived on on the depths of hell, suddenly crushed by the sheer migth of heave, blind and wrathful justice just like minos promised, torn into a broken parody of itself a machine of death, standing tall in the sky, its cold metal frame not made for life but for death, the loud engines powered by blood and sunligth keeping its few residents up at the loud nigths filled with the screams of those below as cities are turned to ash and rubble, the last livable thing on the planet is one made for sheer destruction and death, casted to the depths of hell just to show human ingenuity bests even the cruelty of demons, to this, comes one last reaper, a machine just like it, made with one purpose, end its horrible existance with sheer violent efficiency.

[@mackquack7]

damn

[@epicKerBallze]

there's a reason it's called Requiem you know

[@flinttv2963]

IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HEARD THIS THANK GOD

[@iamgooning]

The past layers were crazy but layer 7 just projectile boosted that out of the spot light

[@maximeleninja4029]

It seems like Requiem has a faster amen break than War Without Reason.

[@themagiccookie2614]

They match in intensity but it's not an exact connection although the music might become lore at this point 😂

[@klibe]

i knew i wasnt making it up also during the first level too

[@creativityshark3704]

I think it sounds a bit closer to the Requiem-ish bit at the start of Glory

[@mackquack7]

Yeah I think it does have elements of glory.

[@untextured4240]

they both use the same samples

[@Trash_Medic]

I still dont hear it

[@mackquack7]

I see how, it isn’t the same motif, but it is similar b

[@juliamorales7392]

that leimotif is in 7-2 also and i have de feeling that in 7-1, i havent chek 7-3 (careful, there is a high chance of me being esquisofrenic or listenin visions or some shit)

[@mentalvoyager]

so basically ultrakill is now undertale if it comes to leitmotifs

[@mackquack7]

Kinda 😂

[@mackquack7]

Undertale still repeats motifs more, probably more than any other game. At least that i’m aware of.

[@user-jf1gk5bx5b]

Ultrakill fans think literally anything has the requiem motif 💀💀💀

[@witherkiller2187]

A requiem to/of the war without reason, perhaps?

[@__grimmkind__]

corpse of the king minos prime

[@logshit3150]

I'mma be that guy and say that Hakita has basically confirmed that this isn't intentional, he hasn't said it directly but he has been poking fun at people on twitter and the second dev stream for thinking the requiem motif is in the song.

[@brainless9182]

Yeah I don't see it, I see why one would think they sound similar, but that's it.

[@25bitgamerx36]

i feel like this kinda confirms that this motif is humankind's, not minos's

[@ice_2480]

its not

[@D0ASKE]

he also said that this isnt the requiem motif

[@cachorrodekatana117]

I really just don't hear it at all. What instrument is doing the requiem motif exactly?

[@mackquack7]

It’s an electric guitar on the 7-4 theme, but a keyboard I think in requiem.

[@wills.junks7]

This reminds me, Hear! The siren song call of the dead had this one piano part. If you listen to the song from Hakita's channel, it's around 1:13. It may be just me but the motif part in that song sounds similar to the Requiem motif too (which is the same thing happening in this video). Does anyone else have the same thought or is it just me?

[@mackquack7]

I’ll check that.

[@mackquack7]

Oh yeah, I definitely hear a similarity there. I think ‘War without reason’ definitely has that motif that you pointed out.

[@wills.junks7]

@@mackquack7 right? It leaves me thinking, MAYBE just maybe P-3 motif is gonna be taken from 7-2. Since previous motifs were 2-2 and 4-2, there is a possibility but yet again take that with a grain of salt. The community is still itching their brains on taking up their own theories

[@wills.junks7]

Nonetheless both songs from 7-2 and 7-4 has a similar sounding motif, which then again comes back to my point of 7-2 being the P-3 motif is a possibility

[@mackquack7]

@@wills.junks7 Yeah. There are a lot of theories but, as of what we have now, I think 7-2 or 7-4 are most likely to give the p-3 theme.

[@purpleplasma4824]

If there is a repeated motif there will be something bigger using the motif.

[@NormDeguere]

Uh could you please change the thumbnail. I'm not trying to be petty, but this video got tons of views so could you please change the thumbnail.

[@laff__8821]

yeah that's schizophrenia. just because it's a melancholic motif doesn't mean it's requiem.

[@mackquack7]

They have a lot of similarities; they’re in the same key, they have a similar structure, and they have many reoccurring notes.

[@mackquack7]

I know they aren’t the same motif, like ORDER and Requiem, but they are similar.

[@abfg616]

Minos 2 furious

[@MomentOfSanity]

There is no requiem leitmotif in WWR

[@lip2018]

What is layer 7 lore? Why are other big machines in hell now

[@mackquack7]

I’m not sure who created the machines, but we kind of know that there is always a machine made to take down v1 .

[@gamerdomain6618]

@@mackquack7 V1 was discontinued due to the country behind its development falling into peace times before it was completed, so there is nothing human-made explicitly to destroy V1. In fact, V1 is likely designed to have an edge over all other existing machines.

[@mackquack7]

@@gamerdomain6618 Hm ok.

[@questionableconsequences1292]

@@mackquack7 on the earth mover there are warning signs in English/Chinese so I am assuming these were built BEFORE humanity died during their expeditions into hell.

[@mackquack7]

@@questionableconsequences1292 I didn’t know that.

[@gladoseon4117]

Y’all are schizophrenic where the hell is the leitmotif

[@theofficialtastynacho0898]

same as order

[@mackquack7]

Yep.

[@theincursion5898]

3 notes

[@Nitry4games]

I don't see any similarity

[@mackquack7]

They have a similar structure and similar notes played.

[@loltwest9423]

Ya'll need to take your meds. I don't hear the connection.

[@mackquack7]

There is a similarity between them, it’s not the same motif though.

[@lonearachnid6591]

they aren't similar but ultrakill fans are prone to finding the requiem motif anywhere

[@DanielSooSchway]

even if I find the concept very interesting, I don't think this was intentional and it's just similar sounding at best to my ears

[@lonearachnid6591]

@@DanielSooSchway yeah no they're both significantly different. requiem doesn't make sense either considering we are wayy past minos and the only sorta reference we should consider is the minotaur which even then didn't have any past motifs.

[@DanielSooSchway]

​@@lonearachnid6591 also if Hakita really wanted to make a reference motif here I think it would be more obvious (like Requiem to Order), I think people just make the connection because of the tragic-ish melody, so I'm fully convinced this isn't a Requiem reference

[@lonearachnid6591]

@@DanielSooSchway 💯

[@mackquack7]

It may not be intentional, I agree. But they sound quite alike.

[@dergtreb]

They are different they are different y'all just got gaster syndrome

[@mackquack7]

we aren’t saying they are the same motif, we are saying it’s similar

[@dergtreb]

@@mackquack7 you might not be but ive heard a lot of other folk say there the exact same

[@mackquack7]

@@dergtreb fair, not everyone is, but some people are.

[@JoetheDilo1917]

I don't see it

[@olka6668]

ему можно

[@mackquack7]

I appreciate the YOMIS profile picture.

[@BedeGeneris]

this proves hakita is a hack who just recycles music

[@unknownunknown317]

He's on his Toby fox arc

[@DanielSooSchway]

i genuinely dont hear it though, its not even the same motif it's just "similar"

[@mackquack7]

@@DanielSooSchwayYeah that’s what I said. They are certainly not the same motif.

[@vinhnguyen-o5z]

layer 7 is the best layer so far imo