Side By Side | La Marzocco GS3MP Vs. Sanremo YOU

[@yskwong]

I have the Sanremo YOU, and my buddy has a GS3MP. We did a side by side comparison over one weekend, pulled endless shots, and we both agreed that they're very similar tasting, equally good. And yes, the YOU needed a little bit finer grind to achieve the same results. Taste wise, we couldn't taste a difference, but we both also agreed that the Sanremo YOU is a winner here. Here's our reasonings:- - YOU heats up within 5 minutes, and the steamer within 10 minutes vs GS3MP needing 30-40 minutes - YOU is a lot easier to operate for repeatability vs GS3MP needing a lot of practice to get the hang of it - YOU could easily program different profiles for different drinks, different beans - And since the boiler heats up so quickly, it's also a lot faster to drop/increase temp for different profiles. - YOU is about USD$700 cheaper than a GS3MP - With the volumetric pump, once you get the profile dialed in correctly, you don't need to use a scale anymore. I've managed to run shots and weigh them after, and the difference is within +/- 1 gram. This is impossible to do with the GS3MP. For example, 18g in, 28g out, 3 bar preinfusion, 8.5 bar pour. Once the profile is saved, I could almost get 27-29g without needing a scale, using same beans, grind size, and puck prep. This alone is what we loved the most, because we don't have to worry about taring a scale, monitoring it, stopping it on time, etc.

[@neo8108]

if ur gs3 needs 30-40 minutes to heat up, theres something wrong. my gs3 is ready in 13 mins

[@yskwong]

@@neo8108 It takes 8-10 minutes for boiler to heat up to temp. But the brew group isn't up to temp till about 30 minutes. Go get a thermometer and measure it yourself. Cheers.

[@neo8108]

@@yskwong i die this. U are wrong.

[@yskwong]

@@neo8108 anyway, you can speed it up by running hot water through it after 15 min, it'll bring temp up a lot faster

[@allen.t]

Honestly I dont really have much to say and I’m only commenting to support my boy ❤

[@Sprometheus]

Much appreciated my friend, thank you!

[@bacca71]

Wonderful job of balancing 'unbiased' views on the features of two different machines, coupled with the finale of your clearly stated prejudice for the 'hands on' feel. I don't have a GS3-MP, but rather chose the GS3-AV which I chose as my preference in the way I want to make espresso. Suits my style perfectly, and ever shot is a perfect shot, with a variety of coffees we enjoy. Still lots of variables to play with if I choose, but I've pretty much sorted those out over the years to what I like best. Workflow is amazing with the AV. Temp stability (and accuracy via a Scace) with the saturated group was a life-changer. Am of course, an adherent of the KISS principle.

[@daniel635biturbo]

The gearbox analogy also applies to manual focus camera lenses, they might be obsolete and inferior. But there is a tactile and joyful experience using an old all metal vintage camera lens, few modern plastic lenses give. ❤ And, yeah great video as always !

[@DanielACroft]

I also have both of these machines. I’ve pretty much decided to go with the Sanremo You. The water wastage (as others have mentioned), repeatability of profiling, and (as trivial as it sounds) the shower screen screw getting into my coffee puck are the main reasons. There’s also the factor of having access to easy mode on the You which isn’t available on the GS/3. I’ve been having fun dialing in the You and storing a version of the same type of shot I was running on my GS/3 for espresso (slayer style) and another profile for milk drinks (more traditional short pre infusion & 9 bar). I can also still play with the paddle when I want to. I have tools and now an espresso machine on my counter that I can point someone at and have them make very similar coffee to me without too much effort or instruction. I’m very curious to see where the You goes with software updates, I wonder if flow profiling is possible and I think there are a number of other possibilities for added functionality.

[@DanielACroft]

As far as the paddles vs manual shifting analogy, with the paddle on the You and the paddle on the GS/3 for me, it’s more like the difference between an automatic with gear selection on the gear lever and paddles on a DSG. Similar idea but not as stark as difference between a manual gear box and a paddle shift. Opinions! :-)

[@Sprometheus]

I get all that for sure. I think there’s something so mechanical and raw about the GS3 that I really enjoy. The water thing is for me, the biggest issue it has, and a real shame to be honest. I don’t know if it will be here forever, though I’ve got the Synesso ES.1 on deck waiting to be plugged in and curious to see how that goes. The Bianca really scratches my manual profiling itch and that’s in my kitchen as my daily these days.

[@DanielACroft]

@@Sprometheus Yeah, the GS/3 is undeniably an awesome machine but, as time passes, more options that suit folks better/more become “available” (money isn’t free lol). I’ve been following the ES.1 thread on home-barista and folks seem a little frustrated with missing functionality, it’s also even more expensive. For me, I’ve played with decents a few times and just don’t enjoy the fully digital experience, even keeping in mind the incredible capabilities those machines have. The You is feeling like a nice middle right now, giving many of those capabilities without feeling like the espresso machine equivalent of mid-priced android tablet. Different subject but I’d love to see a review from you on a Versalab M4 or Kafatek MC6. I’m very curious about the combined conical-breaker, flat final burr sets. As always, I’ll be keeping an eye out for your review of the ES.1 (and everything else, tbh). Thanks for all the effort you put into this stuff, great work and much appreciated.

[@chrisg1631]

if you lowest water debit of the YOU is 31.6g in 10 sec (3.16g / sec)? In this case you couldn't do a true slayer style shot. As the pre-brew on the slayer is usually set at about 1-3 -1.5g per sec for med to light roast. And from 1.5g to 1.8 / sec for medium roasts.

[@christopherschmitz1804]

@@chrisg1631I measured water debit without PF on the YOU to be 3.0 g / s at 1 bar - the lowest I can get to because I run it plugged in. From the tank you can go as low as 0.2 bar which should get you in the range of 1.5-2g of water debit.

[@user-pf5bo2nk2h]

Thanks for the time and effort you put into this great comparison. As a GS3 MP user, I love everything about except the water wastage, but the results are consistent and reliable and there’s just something about using it which always brings a smile when making coffee vs the E1P for example which I use in an NGO setting, all the bells and whistles and a subpar app! Not in the love with the looks for the you, but we’re all different. Thanks P!

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome and thanks for watching and commenting. And I’m with you, the biggest downside of the MP is the water waste. It really is very expensive when you’re blending your own water and it’s a precious resource I hate to toss down the drain.

[@fstjeanm]

There’s just not words for how much I love my GS3MP, it’s not not nearly as technologically advanced as the new stuff, but i love the good old analog feel, the level of control, the look, the temperature stability. It might be dated but the fact that it’s being compared with state of the art technology beacon goes to show how much ahead of its time it was when it was released

[@camperista3D]

What an unique review of two end game machines. Great to have these two side by side. Go Spro!

[@Sprometheus]

Thank you for watching and the kind words my friend! Cheers!

[@s96822]

careful using that term "end game" as it is patented by another coffee utuber.

[@johnp.1460]

Fascinating, well-executed comparison video. I always enjoy your thoughtful, nuanced approach - especially to machine comparisons. As a La Marzocco owner - though not the GS3 - I’m inclined to agree with your conclusion.

[@wakeawaken430]

I love the way you describe both machines at 8:24 and I agree 110%

[@alanroderick7153]

"Dream Machines. indeed" And, I can only dream of owning either. I do worry about modern electronics being in close proximity to high temperatures and damp environments over several years ... ... Thank you for the video. Stay safe, everyone.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah that was one of my main quirks and downsides in the full YOU review. I mean, I’m sure they’ve done what they can as many of their commercial machines have a similar group interface, it still gives me pause.

[@ivanprisco2525]

I think that la Marzocco should consider hiring you.....IF they are willing to keep up with new brands by producing products worth buying. I always enjoy rational, reasoned points of view 😉

[@Sprometheus]

That’s very kind. I’d be very happy to be a part of developing a La Marzocco machine.

[@knottymatt]

Great review! Tested the minimum flow rate (from tank) of the You and got 4.6g per 10 seconds (paddle in a low position), however absolute minimum for me is 0.2g per second. Fair difference from that 31g, but thinking maybe that's if you've plumbed it in?. Received my You last week and for mine it has the analogue experience I'm after, as the paddle as so satisfying to use, not saying the machine's perfect. It'll take some time for them to perfect the software layout and ease of understanding, with the pressure at puck (vs pump) vs how you're throttling the gear pump and screen output. I love the experience though, like that of riding a motorbike as you accelerate. I almost wish it had an additional analogue gauge though. With the flow thing you mentioned, don't you just increase You pressure at a slower rate to achieve the same GS3 result? Longer shots etc? That's what I've found produces great results anyway. A major consideration for me between the two was heat-up wait time.

[@christopherschmitz1804]

As a YOU user, I can say that the coffee it allows to extract from my home roasted single origins is nothing short of exceptional. Being able to store manual profiles and pre program profiles is a great addition to a purely manual extraction. And Sanremo has proven that they take care of and listen to their buyers community, making additional functionality and hardware upgrades available to everyone. High end machines should be digitally controllable. And they should provide quicker heat up times and energy consumption with smaller boilers or alternative heating technologies. More functionality is in the pipeline for both app and in machine FW (I have the pleasure to be a beta tester). Comparing it to the GS3 is a little like comparing a Tesla to a 1990 large engine combustion car. In my opinion the YOU leads the way pioneered by Decent, but in a gastro grade body.

[@chinellito]

do you *always* crouch when using the GS3? is that the hands on and tactile experience you're talking about? =D jk, loved the video as always.. ty

[@DougC83]

Tech wise, I would say put the Strada EP (newly announced X?) 1 group against the SR You would be an even better side by side?

[@cheekster777]

This video will be good! 👍🏻 Thank you my friend. 🙏🏻

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome! I hope you enjoy!

[@davidrogala7597]

how fun to test these two side by side

[@Sprometheus]

It was definitely a good time!

[@MaakBow]

Great video. @Sprometheus What do YOU think should be done to "update" the gs3? I wouldn't want a touchscreen. I think the two worst things are the hot water has a button (under the hot water) rather than a lever. Also I'd like a physical button on the machine to turn each boiler on/off. The hot water temp dial under the right side panel is an afterthought. It should be programmed lime other temp settings. The whole electronic UI is pretty bad and ugly but I still wouldn't want a touchscreen. I'd also like the paddle (not paddel😂) to be more responsive with a larger physical swing...maybe some type of gearing. Just my opinion after a year

[@nabiuro]

Bardzo dobre porównanie; moim zdaniem stary Marozocco GS3MP wygrywa z elektroniką temperaturą pary przegrzanej do mleka. Dla osób lubiących "mleczne kawy" 2.5bara robi swoje! Pojawił się też najnowszy Marzocco ale cena 20000$ jest zaporowa +250$ za wagę porcji naparu z nim zsynchonizowaną bezprzewodowo

[@antoniokozmas9916]

Just upgraded from my lm mini to a you 🎉

[@Barca7712]

Still happy with it?

[@antoniokozmas9916]

@@Barca7712 she’s a weapon mate

[@ThePlayahans]

I kinda don’t like how much water the GS3 dumps when pressure profiling, but otherwise it is my absolute favourite 🙏🏻

[@SikadaSorel]

Yesterday I dreamt I own the Sanremo YOU. Don't know if that means I need less coffee or more😂

[@Sprometheus]

More, more 100% haha

[@tummy_fritters]

For me, technology and espresso go together best when the technology is unobtrusive. I see the appeal of having all that information, but I don't necessarily want it from a screen. I don't know if it's truly attainable any other way. That being said, if I were to choose between the two machine, it would be the LM

[@T3rm3nator]

Care to review VBM domobar super?

[@orrinbelcher6593]

GS3 for me and I agree with thee, fun, and superbly done. Video and music are wonderful. ☕️☕️😊

[@knottymatt]

Using the You more, I'm finally starting to understand what you mean by 'control flow via pressure'. Needing to work on my ramp-up to get flow under control. It's a hard concept to understand.

[@macehead]

After watching this and considering all of the pros and cons i have determined that if i were to buy one of these, i would definitely need to take out a loan.....

[@Sprometheus]

Don’t do it, interest rates are at an all time high!

[@macehead]

@@Sprometheus lol

[@CremaChris1]

In Europe the YOU is 2k€ lower in price than the GS3.

[@itsxris]

would love to hear what you think about the E1 Prima

[@Sprometheus]

I’ve got a line on a Prima demo, hoping to bring it probably early next year. Have an ES1 and Profitec Go in the queue at the moment on top of grinders and some other equipment I’ve gotta work with first.

[@PanzerIV88]

The Prima One has some bad reviews of bugs and weird stuff or lemons, plus it's even more expensive and doesn't even have a volumetric pump and has less function and smaller screen. It doesn't seem at all like a better value to me. It's just too expensive for what it is, prolly cause of the name?

[@NubRusty]

I'm on team Sanremo That thing is GORGEOUSSSSSSS But I absolutely love my current choice of machine - the Ascaso Duo. I think it's the perfect balance of affordability, some neat tech (heating block), and good looks but doesn't overdo it on technology. Probably the reason I'll never own a Decent is b/c it just went way too far on the technological side and lost a lot of the "old school style".

[@PanzerIV88]

Ya that's why I'm leaning more towards the You over the Decent and no matter how much I want to like the Decent I still feel like it is an overpriced cheap plastic box made in China at a ridiculous price with no support at all if it ever breaks.

[@user-js2fi7qw2i]

Very nice comparison of two high end machines on the market! Both with pressure profiling. Like a two SUV Mercedes - one ‚G-class’ (La Marzocco) and ‚EQE’ electric (SanRemo). Both are great, both deliver You home, but not in the same way. Most probably the best coffee machines, representing old and new approach to coffee preparation. The question is that ‚smartphone’ or rather ekectronic located over the portafilter in SanRemo withstand these heat? I hope new GS3 won’t leave any space for competitors to beat it. Thanks Sprometeus for time to prepare that great comparison. Have a nice weekend!

[@CremaChris1]

Sanremo has been building gastro machines with digital interfaces for a long time. The interface on the YOU gets warm if you leave it on for hours. But you never need to leave it on, because you can switch it off and on in a second, and it takes 2 minutes to be hot again due to the small boilers. And when I only go for espresso it takes 1 second to switch on/off the steam boiler. Thanks to the really good UI. I cut my energy consumption to a third vs. my previous heat exchanger machine.

[@user-js2fi7qw2i]

Now at Host Milano they launched SanRemo D8 dedicated for HoReCa. I hoped that La Marzocco will launch next generation of GS3, but not yet. As I know next yeat should be released, so that will be interesting comparison to SR You

[@ThePlayahans]

Really like your take on those beauties

[@Asaf_Hinden]

Thanks for the video! It will be interesting to see your review of the new Strada x1 (single group head) by LM

[@Horologiist]

I need a little help. All of these machines only have 25 to 30 secs to show their brilliance. Im running my spring lever machine knowing how simple the tech inside actually is. And on the other hand I see what testing laboratories the newer machines like decent, you or unica offers. What Im not knowing is, how much of the difference in price is just going to try to immitate spring lever profiles without using a spring?

[@Sprometheus]

In my mind if it’s not broke don’t fix it. I know you can see all the new tech and wild features in these machines, but a lever machine is still a super solid, reliable and relatively inexpensive option. If you have one with decent thermal stability too you’re pretty much set. I think for the price you’re getting repeatable, measured, accurate shots, and if that’s something you want then by all means get one. But if you don’t mind doing the leg work, or I guess arm work, the spring machine will still make you amazing shots. And I don’t know if you noticed, but even on the YOU I did create a faux lever brewing profile so for what that’s worth. Haha

[@AL.2090]

Thanks

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome, thanks for watching.

[@champs1076]

Linea Micra 'only' exists cause people needed a smaller machine to fit in their kitchens, right? So why, all over those eyers, theres is not a v2, v3 (upgraded version)... of the GS3? People are ok with it? I would love some tech in the GS3 ☕

[@Sprometheus]

My speculation on that is La Marzocco doesn’t want to cannibalize their GS3 sales and want to produce different machines adding incrementally more tech. Hence the Strada X1 they dropped yesterday for $20,000.

[@tobiasbouma4071]

Wow didn't realise that this was released. Just checked the features and IMO the straight in portafilters are a huge step backwards and not suitable for the home espresso market.@@Sprometheus

[@timothysweet6791]

In terms of repeatability the video doesn’t highlight the way the YOU reacts to the feedback from the extraction ie the resistance of the coffee. The best part of pressure profiling is the flavours we can achieve n the worst part is the repeatability of which the YOU has really stepped up to the plate. I understand there’s a clear bias here to what we are familiar with after all there’s been a lot of fond memories n delicious coffees had on that machine but if we are talking bout control n repeatability the you steps up a lot.

[@adamn480]

"YOU" lost me at 7K+ for E61.

[@KK-od9ss]

Awaiting for your review is the new La Marzocco Strada X1

[@_mickmccarthy]

While it's always interesting to hear what these advanced espresso machines are capable of, I can't imagine owning anything other than my Europiccola. Incredibly basic, but fully hands-on. Granted some improved thermal stability would be nice, but it's hard to beat the simplicity!

[@IamMotionMedia]

why havent u got the the Smart Espresso Profiler for the GS yet?

[@Frank78250]

When is someone FINALLY going to put it up against the Rocket R91. It feels like best of both worlds in terms of replicating/programming shots, the power of the bigger boiler, fully saturated grouphead (except a less fancy screen / ui than the You)

[@FDothat]

heard a lot about the r 91, drank many espressi from it. it has its range of own, very weird problems and user complaints. besides that: i truly loved how the coffee tasted!

[@Sprometheus]

I’d like to get my hands on one, but I’ve yet to get an offer to test or really see a lot of US resellers. Someday though.

[@christopherschmitz1804]

Boiler sizes and heatup times on the R91 (and the GS3) are tech from yesterday.

[@Frank78250]

@@christopherschmitz1804 15 minutes for coffee with such temperature stability is very acceptable right? Serviceboiler: couldn’t agree more! :)

[@Frank78250]

@@FDothat i have one, that is why i am so interested to see someone put it head to head. What other complaints than the screen-feel did you hear? All i can imagine is the weight for bringing it for service fml

[@uribarcelona1]

I’d love you to try my espresso machine, an LMLM shot Brewer with EP (electronic paddle), the same group that uses the top-notch Strada LMLM. I feel this group is the sweet spot in between this two outstanding espresso machines/groups.

[@timwargo5306]

I am at that phase of getting ready to purchase. Had the Vivaldi II for years and sold that. So hard when you are looking at upper level machines, but I keep going back to the GS3 MP. While I like tech, I feel over time it will be the fail point of any machine. Looking at the YOU and how the computer is placed I just do not trust its design. I am more an old school guy. Sometime less electronics is better, and the only thing everyone says is the main benefit is repeatability..... Well if you need a computer to make a good shout are you really skilled ? Anyone can push a button. ( Just go purchase a Super Automatic) Being able to adjust the paddle every time takes skill . I roast coffee as well and use no computer to tell me how the bean should perform. Low Tech all the way.

[@toddpower4674]

Id prefer the older solid tech and large boilers in the gs3. But both of them are superior to mine

[@SomeRandomBarista]

If I want to be rational i would say the you is better. More modern, more feature, etc But if i'm rational, I don't spend 8k on an espresso machine, then it's more of an emotional decision. And the you is not my jam. Next to the gs3 the you almost seems cheap in comparison. For me the gs3 take the win

[@littledevilz]

My best decision ever is to fit my 8 year old LMLM with a Procon gear pump and electronic paddle. Just the best of both worlds, mechanical raw feeling and flow profiling. Sorry but I don't need another screen on my machine.

[@s96822]

are profiles programmable on the you? can you save them and choose one at a later date? the VBM Domobar electronic also uses a gear pump, is programmable, and does profiling, smaller footprint all for 1799 euro (1900usd)EU add 300 to ship. i personally like the design of the you more.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah they are. You can create them in the software or via the paddle, save them and select them for later use. It holds a good number of them too. There a a bit more of a explanation in the YOU review I did if you’re curious. But if there’s an option for roughly $2k that does the same things it sounds like a bargain.

[@cesarquintero1180]

I thought it was something like "the guy she tells you to not worry about vs you"

[@QuickQuips]

I can't wait until these kind of features go down to say a Breville. It's a shame how price inflated Decent Espressos are now. It was 1800 when introduced iirc

[@davidh13]

6:50 Bianca?

[@marknachmias423]

I'd get a GS3. But that's me. I'm stuck in an analog world.

[@mtpastor4546]

For this price point, I would definitely go for GS3. 1. The brand name; 2. Group head; 3. Reliability; 4. Engaging with the machine analogously.

[@00Dawggg]

You don’t have half the features on the MP… if you just wanted a MP machines, no reason to even consider the Sanremo You (a combination of both the MP and Volumetric)

[@mtpastor4546]

@@00Dawggg I have a Strada EP. Before to have this Strada, I had an E61 DB, and a volumetric DB. From my experience, both E61 DB and volumetric DB didn’t provide the consistency that the Strada giving me. For me, the value of GS3 is not only the MP, but for the brand name, the group head design, and reliability. To me, the YOU is a solid machine. However, I don’t want an E61 for this price point.

[@EricNorrisisDocnorris]

Well NOW you'll need to add a Strada x1 in to a comparison. For science.

[@Sprometheus]

The price tag on that one makes me wince, even I would struggle to justify a $20k espresso machine haha.

[@user-yb9ye8ze6x]

Keeps on saying You has gear pump when it does not

[@Val_Smith]

I think another great comparison would be Synesso es.1 vs Decent vs Unika pro. I have yet to see anyone review the new Synesso

[@philipps4322]

I would never be able to go back to a machine with a smaller driptray than my GS3 😅

[@Sprometheus]

Haha well we only need that massive drip tray because we kick out so much water when using the paddle.

[@MaakBow]

plumb it.

[@weiszCoffee]

Regarding flow or pressure profiling, it is exactly the opposite that you mentioned. The GS3 utilizes flow controls, vs the Sanremo You that utilizes a pressure profile.

[@Sprometheus]

I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what I said. “The GS3 controls pressure via flow, and the You controls flow via pressure.”

[@weiszCoffee]

@@SprometheusWow you are absolutely right. Not sure how I misunderstood that. Thank you for this great video and response 🙏

[@tobiasbouma4071]

Sorry if this is asked a lot, but isn't the strada a better match since the reproducibility of shot profiles would be the same between the two? Also same pump and stuff.. ?

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah it would be an even more similar side by side comparison with the GS3 in those respects. But in a home based situation the Strada EPs main difference is it’s 220v and has to be plumbed in, so that removes it from something I can use on my bar without a lot of plumbing and electrical work.

[@CremaChris1]

@@Sprometheus Let alone the Strada being 2.5 x the price of the YOU.

[@bjfeerus]

☕☕☕ Love Is Important 💟❤

[@Sprometheus]

Indeed my friend!

[@gehtnurdurch]

The slow responding “You interface” would drive me nuts. Unacceptable at this price point imo

[@Sprometheus]

I get that, honestly it never really bothered me much, though I did notice it. But I just sort of chalked it up to how tech often works with some delay.

[@CremaChris1]

It is not slow. It is not an iphone 15 pro, but absolutely great to handle all of the functionality easily. Total switch off is < 1 second. Boilers on/off in under a second.

[@gehtnurdurch]

I am not talking about the time it takes for functions to activate, just the reaction time of the touch screen itself. This is not limited to this machine. A lot of company’s just make barely fast enough so it is usable. Just give it a processor that costs 30 dollars more, it is a 5000+$ machine!!!

[@Grumpist1]

Sanremo? Had no idea the Hello Kitty people were into espresso machines.

[@noahdurbin]

Now add a strada x1 to the mix😮

[@DaIeDenton]

The You looks bad

[@Guenounovitch]

just the clickbait is ridiculous, 7k for a water pump is stellar

[@Sprometheus]

You may want to recheck your definition of clickbait.

[@jurgenzielmann1108]

PADDELS

[@Sprometheus]

Meh, mistakes happen.

[@jurgenzielmann1108]

Absolutely! Only the one who doesn’t do anything doesn’t make mistakes

[@vancitycanucks]

Slayer slays either of these. 😂

[@Sprometheus]

Perhaps, yet for some reason they’re afraid to send me one….sooooo. Also, reliability on the slayer is questionable at best. Having worked in the tech side the amount of single group slayers that came through was astonishing.

[@vancitycanucks]

@@Sprometheus I've owned one for 2 years with no issues outside of regular maintenance and their CS is amazing.

[@tommihommi1]

sorry, but calling adjusting the grind size to hit a certain time "dialing in" is just madness. Dialing in is *finding the right parameters to reach preferred taste*. If you adjust to arbitrary numbers that's a surefire way to make worse coffee

[@Sprometheus]

Sorry, but not understanding that there’s a time and a place to go into an in-depth discussion on the nuances of dialing in, and a comparison of two machines mechanics and tech is not the place is just madness. I’d venture to say that most of not all of the people who are watching this video understand this, stop taking everything so literally and at face value.

[@tommihommi1]

@@Sprometheus let me rephrase: you approached comparing to machines by "dialing in" to identical "recipes", which for you meant same shot time and similar looking curves, but different grind sizes. And then were surprised when the shots didn't taste the same. This fundamentally means there's a massive disconnect between how you and I approach coffee

[@Sprometheus]

@@tommihommi1 I don’t think you’re really approaching this in good faith or understanding what I’m trying to convey, or the nature of producing comparisons. This type of video is not easy, nor is it a perfect science. But if I were to taste test two shots on completely different profiles and parameters the differences would likely be very apparent. This would not be a good comparison, and it would not be very interesting or really allow me to dig into the why of the difference. The point of this is to dial in two shots on two machines using as close to the same variables and as possible to determine where the differences are. What I found was a faster flow rate and how that effects the building of pressure, the speed of the shot, and hence the effect on extraction. In the end, it’s just coffee and it’s not that serious, but to essentially try to talk down, or diminish my experience and how I approach coffee as wrong is not only uncalled for, but a form of gatekeeping that I fundamentally disagree with.

[@timothysweet6791]

In addition the basket profile is different so yes they would dial in completely different

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

I have zero interest in owning a large machine like either of these for the relatively simple task of pulling a shot. I have a large professional kitchen, and butler's pantry, and space is still too precious to use it up on these energy hogging behemoths. I guess these machines would appeal to the same type of person that likes using an egg to BBQ.

[@sucka231]

Your videos would be more helpful if they contained 30% less words. They are all too fluffy, I always have to fast forward to get to the meat and potatoes, which are usually missing from most of your videos. Try going more in depth vs staring at the pool and dipping your toe in. Do something different.