I grew up in Arizona in the 70's and 80's. I've mtn biked, backpacked, kayaker, sailed and driven just about everywhere. I never thought some guy from San Diego would teach me about so many cool spots in my state. Thank you
@TheMje19639 ай бұрын
As much time that he spends here in Arizona, I think he's wanting to be a closet Arizonian 🤣
@emersonaz3 жыл бұрын
I'm a Phoenix native so I've always known the story. Thanks for sharing it in such a detailed manner, big thumbs up.
@SidetrackAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@dawnmoulton730210 ай бұрын
I use to live by a prisoner camp and the buildings were still there until 20 yrs ago. But the few buildings that were left were moved. Original area around Scottsdale Rd and Thomas.
@robertfansler78002 жыл бұрын
In Windsor, CA there also was a German POW camp. Except there the prisoners were “farmed out” to local plum orchards and vineyards during harvest time. Some prisoners “escaped” to go to San Francisco to see the sights, but called back to the camp, for a return ride)) The German POW’s held at Windsor had a better life than being on the Eastern Front. Several POW’s emigrated back to this area of Sonoma County after the end of WW2. You can see pictures of the camp at the Windsor history museum, just off Hwy. 101. I learned about this camp from a former camp guard back in 1980.
@marqueemark5917 Жыл бұрын
hey, do you remember a teenager shot in the '70s in Windsor, his name was Joey Morino, and He was my cousin? Small town. That's when it had a groceries store and a Circle K. I knew about this story 10 years ago
@llywrch7116 Жыл бұрын
If those POWs got 3 hots & a cot alone, they came out ahead of the men who were at Stalingrad.
@lisahamilton50909 ай бұрын
There was a similar camp in a place called El Rio and unincorporated area in Oxnard and Ventura county. They would farm them out to the farming communities in Ventura county in Santa Barbara county and many of them stayed. They saw a good life here apparently.
@robertfansler78009 ай бұрын
@@lisahamilton5090 Thanks for your reply. Most people don’t know history or are not interested. Do you live in Ventura County? My great grandfather planted the Morton Bay fig tree in Santa Paula, to commemorate the birth of his daughter Cecil on July 4, 1879.
@hokie63843 ай бұрын
“Some the prisoners ‘Escaped’ to San Francisco…” Did one if them change their name to Pelosi? 🥸
@dumbcow12 жыл бұрын
For those interested in checking out this area and it's history, you can still find the foundation for one of the guard towers between thr NTL Guard building and the baseball fields. That and the Elks Lodge are the only two physical things left from the camp.
@80sDweeb Жыл бұрын
The German prisoners arrived in the United States, and on the long train ride to Arizona, they were astonished at the immensity of the United States, and as their train seemed to go on and on, they realized that the war was lost.
@aunch3 Жыл бұрын
Exactly . This notion that the Germans had any chance in hell of conquering America isn’t based in reality. They never had the manpower or resources to even attempt a raid, let alone full on subjugation.
@mattaz2315 Жыл бұрын
According to local lore, the last POW made it to a bar in downtown PHX. He finally turned himself in due to lack of food and now aware the Salt, Gila and Colorado rivers would not get him to Mexico. Others lasted longer in partially dug mining tunnels on what was called Squaw Peak . I have been in some of them and are open along some trails even today.
@llywrch7116 Жыл бұрын
I wonder just how many were fluent in English, or even Spanish. Being isolated thousands of miles from home in a country where one could not communicate with other people would definitely be a challenge few -- if any -- could overcome.
@cplcabs11 ай бұрын
Seems at least 25 of them didn't realise that.
@JeffFrederick-ty5ip10 ай бұрын
Plus they learned how great cheese danish is!
@johnnyfreedom3437 Жыл бұрын
The best thing about not discovering this channel long ago is getting to watch all of the old videos! I'll make sure I give them a few more bucks after the first of the year cuz I love these videos!
@roywhitman7109 Жыл бұрын
Steve, I've gotta say you've come up with some interesting stuff, but this is really fascinating! It's a shame it's not been a little more publicized! Thanks!👍
@capndave9152 Жыл бұрын
Good video. I was born and raised and still live in 1/2 mile away from this monument. I ride by it a couple days a month. We learned about this escape in Arizona history class in high school.
@126Swanky Жыл бұрын
This is really amazing. I'm an Aussie that moved to Phoenix about 8 years ago. It's so dang hot, I don't get explore as much as I'd like. I'm trying to get my 8 year old out to explore and this is the perfect short journey. It's an amazing story and a bit of history I had no idea about. Thanks mate, love your content.
@SidetrackAdventures Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate it.
@mikeb.71834 ай бұрын
As someone who lives in that area and does construction, including the building of the Arizona Historical Museum near there. Let me say this. digging 178' thru that dirt is impressive.
@THX--nn5bu Жыл бұрын
When I lived in Germany for 8 years one of my neighbors was an elderly German man that was a POW in the US during WW2, but anyhow my neighbor had no animosities of the past and explained that he was treated like a celebrity but was afraid to return home to Germany after the war ended due to the fear of being assassinated, despite he returned home a year after the war ended.
@carlinshowalter1806 Жыл бұрын
For a lot of Germans there was nothing in Germany to go back to.Lots of it was bombed into nothing. My family came to the U.S. after living in the burned out basement of their house in Berlin for two long years of next to no food and clean water. My Great-grandfather made a house out of a wooden boxcar he bought from the railroad.
@DW-qe7qe3 жыл бұрын
How interesting. Both sets of grandparents lived in Phoenix at the time. How I wish they were still around to ask about this event. Thank you for highlighting this interesting history.
@5yearsout7 ай бұрын
Lived in the PHX area for 30 years before moving away, never even heard of a WWII POW camp in the region let alone, at the park where I played softball at for years being part of the camp. My mind is blown. Thank you for these videos, I always learn something.
@jeffreywhite22729 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@SidetrackAdventures9 ай бұрын
Thanks. I really appreciate it.
@darkh2o7162 жыл бұрын
I had to view this one despite knowing the area as well as anyone. I grew up in this neighborhood and still run all over the park. It is still quite a large area. The ramadas in the actual park were built by the CCC. Governor Hunt and his family are all interned in the pyramid within the park. He was I believe an 8 term governor and the tomb is lit up at night. My grandkids night hike with me regularly when in town and some hikes can last well over a couple hours as I know all the extended trails. Two of them are 6th generation Arizonans. Everyone gets a headlamp and off we go. The lakes in the park were part of a fish hatchery and extend into the Phoenix Zoo. Needless to say I fished many a day there with amazing results during the late 60s and into the 80s. The lakes then had lily pads, frogs, abundant stocks of Bass Crappie, catfish and sunfish varieties.as well as clean water. Now I fish the canals. Most of the homes in the area were built in the mid 50s and the 60s. The park also had much wildlife, as a kid I saw rattlesnakes, chuckawallas, racoon, skunk, mule deer, coyotes, owls, bobcat and more. There are even some pottery shards to be found occasionally. Regardless I like your videos and have been to a fair number of places you have visited. I gold prospect and have some excellent claims in the Bradshaws near Prescott. Best of luck and keep on adventuring.
@gregboyden564 Жыл бұрын
this is what is so great about you videos. I would never have heard of these cool spots. thanks!
@robertweingartner2055 Жыл бұрын
I went to see this just yesterday. I came from New York to visit family in Arizona and made this my first stop on my trip. My cousin and her husband were quite interested. Great video.
@mssixty3426 Жыл бұрын
I read an article about this years ago - thanks for the link to the book! There were German and Italian WWII POW camps all over the U.S. . . . There were some out in Western Nebraska where my mom grew up.
@bwhog Жыл бұрын
The old camp was located next to where the National Guard armory is located now and a portion of it is actually under the baseball fields there were subsequently built there. As far as I know, though, the present neighborhood area was not actually part of the camp. All that remains is one or two of the footings from one of the guard towers but be aware that if you go look for it, you're probably gonna get greeted by a couple of guard soldiers asking what you're doing milling around behind their base. The marker is not too far from there and accessible by parking in a cul du sac in the local neighborhood. The big mountain you showed is Camelback mountain. The smaller ones are part of what are collectively known as the Papago buttes. You need to do a story on the the Japanese relocation camp outside Maricopa. However, you will need permission since its on reservation land. There is a monument (which has decayed pretty badly) there and the foundation of several buildings as well as a water tank, but otherwise it was torn down as soon as the war was over. One famous occupant, for a time, was "Pat" Morita (otherwise most known for his role as "Mr Miyagi") when he was a young boy, before he and his family were transferred at their request to Washington State (I think) to be with family. It's a sad tale from history but one that needs to be remembered. Note that the order was drawn up quite some time before it actually happened. Pearl Harbor was not the genesis. Rather, it was the excuse.
@TrueSuccessTools Жыл бұрын
Your videos are refreshing informal but always interesting and educational. I was born in SD County and I knew the area well. Keep up the good work Steve.
@Thetreeistall8 ай бұрын
My father used to get these World War II magazines, and I ended up reading the articles and one of the articles about this. Glad you’re telling people.
@aflyer3 жыл бұрын
I have know about this for a while and have explored the area. Near the baseball fields you can find cement stumps from one of the towers that was there. It may have been a guard/watch tower and I have pictures of that and other building related material. Good video.
@dumbcow12 жыл бұрын
It is a guard tower. Inside the doorway of the Elks Lodge Is a map of the POW camp. You can correlate it's location to a tower on the map.
@davidelack88092 жыл бұрын
two of the barracks buildings from that camp are in the back lot of the city of Tempe , Former Mayors Mother purchased them years ago to build a museum with them, unfortunately she passed before it could be done.
@SidetrackAdventures2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, I didn't know that.
@davidelack88092 жыл бұрын
@@SidetrackAdventures I have worked for tempe 21 yrs
@dumbcow12 жыл бұрын
As a Tempe resident, I am very interested to see these. Which lot? I can not think it would of been moved to the new one off Priest, no?
@boomtownrat51063 жыл бұрын
Down your way in San Diego County at Campo, there was a German/Italian POW camp established in 1944 at Camp Lockett. I haven’t been to Campo in some years so I don’t know what still exists of Camp Lockett. I think that area was designated as a historical landmark.
@SidetrackAdventures3 жыл бұрын
I was in the area somewhat recently, but didn't get a chance to check it out so I'm not sure how much of it is accessible. There's a shrine for the Italian POWs located by there too. Going to look into it.
@richardmoramarco67542 жыл бұрын
WentCamp Locket about 1978 or9 for some volunteer firefighter training. Knew was built to defend the border in WW 2, did not know it was a pow camp . Wow.
@danielreigada1542 Жыл бұрын
Interesting video. I knew about this incident but did not know there was a marker. I've biked right past it before without knowing. The mountain you point out, that some of the POWs fled to, is Camelback Mountain, probably the best known landmark of Phoenix.
@jamesdickinson13972 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video. I had heard of this but never really knew much about it. You always do so much with so little in these video stories. Not much left and yet you are able to find the small marker and the lone building left. Thanks again.
@roncross19453 жыл бұрын
I enjoy your videos very much. I discovered a story about a man who lived in San Diego County. His last name is the same as mine, Cross. Could you do a video about Earnest Cross? Here’s some text from a website forgotten destinations. They are telling about Ballarat, CA. In 1903 Radcliff Mine suspended its operations and the towns start fading into history. Soon afterward, other mines began to fold as the gold played out. The post office closed in 1917 and the only remaining residents were a few die-hard prospectors including Shorty Harris, who lived here on and off until his death in 1934. In the summer of 1904, Harris partnered with a man named Ernest "Ed" Cross and on August 9th, they discovered the Bullfrog Mining District. The way the story is told as two partners were to head out for a day, Ed was cooking breakfast when one of Shorty's mules took off . Shorty run chasing after the mule , he stubbed his toe on a rock and fell down. As he was getting up, he looked around before letting out a yell: "There it is, the strike of the century! Forget the breakfast Eddie, let’s get to a Goldfield and get this assayed!" "Incredibly, the ore samples came back to be worth $3,000 per ton and Shorty wasted no time going to the saloon to celebrate. While Shorty is on a binge for almost a week, Ed was working on lining up a sale for the mining rights. Unfortunately, Shorty would come out on the "short-end" of this great find as while he was "celebrating," he gambled away his share for $1,000 and a mule to a man named J.W. McGaliard. His partner Cross, however, joined with McGaliard and formed the Original Bullfrog Mine. Later, Ed sold his share for $25,000 and he and his wife bought a big ranch in Escondido, California" Thank you.
@SidetrackAdventures3 жыл бұрын
I have Bullfrog on a list of places i want to visit, but not sure when I'll get out that way.
@kurtweiand7086 Жыл бұрын
This was a fun story. I lived 1 year in Phoenix, and remember Papago park & Ledgend City, an amusement park near by!
@gus47311 ай бұрын
Legend City, and the original Compton Terrace, which involved singer Stevie Nicks's father! Also nearby was the ballpark for the Phoenix Giants of the Pacific Coast League! Occasionally, you could go to a ballgame followed by a concert! Jimmy Buffett played there, The Police, many more! Great time to be living in The Valley! 😎✌️
@billpowell5931 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting presentation about a site in our backyard here in the Phoenix area. I would have never known about it. Thank you for sharing.
@Texscripter Жыл бұрын
Wow, I've been in the Phoenix area for a while now and didn't even realize it had a WWII history. Like you, I am a WWII buff, so I'll definitely be picking up this book. Thank you for that recommendation and for the video!
@aqueousmoments Жыл бұрын
Very interesting story Steve, I really appreciate your work, thank you
@tomadams2319 Жыл бұрын
When I lived in Scottsdale, I met and spoke to the artist who designed this monument. If you get back to Scottsdale sometime, there is a small marker on the bike path at the triple point where Scottsdale, Tempe & Phoenix all meet. It is located on the same crosscut bike path after you go through the tunnel under McDowell Rd.
@robertaguila01972 ай бұрын
Steve, I saw your episode on the ridge route in ca. but the highway was actually called the Golden State Highway. The ridge route is in the hills east of interstate 5.
@SidetrackAdventures2 ай бұрын
This was the Ridge Route Alternate. It was created as an additional road to the Ridge Route, but people used the new road more. The name Golden State Highway didn't come till later.
@andrewmusacchio5328 Жыл бұрын
Lived in Az all my life, been in that area many times, never knew about this. Thanks for the education, FYI the g in saguaro is pronounced like an h. Another great video.
@SigmaSheepdog Жыл бұрын
Great video! I have heard of this escape, but I didn't realize that it was in Scottsdale. I thought that it was in the Tucson area.
@josephbingham1255 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I liked that there was a reunion of the former guards and surviving prisoners. And that those older gentlemen where treated to a trip to the Colorado River so they could see how far the escapees would have had to walk before they might make another raft this time of reeds and float to Mexico and possible freedom :) Remember Mexico had a fighter squadron that was in the Pacific against the Japanese. Mexico was an ally and might have returned them if caught.
@GramsMusick1582 жыл бұрын
Heading to Scottsdale later this month. Hope to look up this hidden monument. Thanks for the info!
@thesarge44574 ай бұрын
I learned something today, I live in Arizona and I never knew this about the Nazi's prisoners in AZ, interesting story, Thanks. THE SARGE
@justnerdystuff11 ай бұрын
I grew up in that part of Scottsdale, just a 1/2 mile south of where you are. I had always thought the camp was on the other side of the Buttes (named Papago Buttes) and that mountain is Camelback Mountain. I grew up on the other side of Mcdowell. We would ride our bikes all the time to Papago Park, the Phoenix Zoo and there is a place called Hole in the Rock. I hope while you were there you got to visit the Botanical Garden which is really nice. All of this within a bike ride of where you are at. We learned about the prison camp in school. This was in the 60's & 70's. I think there is still an Army Base there which has a lot of helicopters. I don't know as I have not lived there for over 30 years.
@exploringwithmrnobody8784 Жыл бұрын
ThNk you for the great history of the POW camp. I am always looking for history in Arizona. I post on my channel of the history that I find though out Arizona. This is a really great peace of history that i was not aware of. Thank you so much for the great videos.
@gailtryon1453 Жыл бұрын
I knew about POWs in the desert from watching the movie Captain Newman M.D. . They were just a sub plot. Thanks for a great video.
@loboblue5441 Жыл бұрын
You really have the best show on KZbin.
@SidetrackAdventures Жыл бұрын
I don't know about that, but thank you.
@VideosbyStew2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Az native here! Going to check this area out immediately !!!
@SidetrackAdventures2 жыл бұрын
Awesome. Its pretty cool to see but I bet most people pass by it without ever noticing its there!
@sandyzalecki1145 Жыл бұрын
I lived in Phoenix for many years and a knew about this story. They didn't know that the Salt River doesn't actually have water in it. Thank you for the interesting history.
@tootz1950 Жыл бұрын
The Salt River doesn't have water in it? Since when?
@sandyzalecki1145 Жыл бұрын
@@tootz1950 I think I said that wrong. The Salt River rarely has water in it by the time it get to Phoenix.
@tootz1950 Жыл бұрын
@@sandyzalecki1145 Ah, yeah that happens to us all sometimes when typing. As I'm out of country I was worried. Ty.
@mobiltec4 ай бұрын
Excellent documentary. Very interesting. I never knew.
@IndridCool54 Жыл бұрын
I knew about the Japanese interment camps as there was one in the Catalina mountains north of Tucson on the way to Mt. Lemmon, but I didn’t know about Nazis being held in Arizona. Thanks for the video!
@tootz1950 Жыл бұрын
There were also Italian POW camps in Az.
@IndridCool54 Жыл бұрын
@@tootz1950 Didn’t know that, now I gotta research! 👍🏼
@hypeairsoftandgaming2 жыл бұрын
there was also a japanese pow camp outside of casa grand arizona as well
@valeriegoode97626 ай бұрын
I learn so much from your channel. Thanks for sharing.
@stevebartley6287 ай бұрын
Excellent. I’ve probably gone by it a hundred times without knowing it. I’ll go by on my next visit to Phoenix
@kplante7881 Жыл бұрын
Wow… I had no idea we had a POW camp here. Thanks for sharing!
@DaleShirley-o1u11 ай бұрын
The Great Escape in reverse go figure!! Love your passion and personal take!
@KevinThomas-ok2ev10 ай бұрын
I’ve spent most of the last 30 years shooting the National Highpower Rifle Championships at Camp Perry Ohio. Much of the competitor housing on post were the original huts used to house Italian (and I believe, some German) POWs during the war. From the history there, the prisoners were given the opportunity to work for local farmers in the area, and a great many chose to do so. During my time in the army, I was stationed at Ft. Campbell, KY. In an area on post known as Clarksville Base, there is a small cemetery. The graves there are comprised entirely of German POWs who died during their internment there during the WWII period. There were quite a few small camps like this scattered all across the USA.
@davidmussack4529 Жыл бұрын
My mother lives in Mesa, not very far from this monument. Really cool sir.
@wandagraves42815 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing, I'd never heard of this.
@landtuna34697 ай бұрын
Papago Park is in Phoenix, not Scottsdale. My father was stationed there with the cavalry (yes, horses) prior to WWII. It was later turned into the POW camp.
@romalacroix8162 Жыл бұрын
Wow !! I lived in Phoenix most of my life ,I never heard this. Thank You.😊
@russell-di8js6 ай бұрын
Great interesting post. After scrub survival outdoors in Arizona I bet the POW camp with it's water + bread rations seemed like luxury. Fanatical Nazi's are people you don't ever want loose in your home area.
@richardstone347310 ай бұрын
Been watching these presentations. I am Welsh. There was a mass escape from a camp near Bridgend (Island Farm) when 84 German POW's escaped. in March 44. Some of them were awaiting to stand trial at Nuremberg . There is a claim that 3 were not recaptured. There is a book about this as well. I am also reminded of the excellent film The One That Got Away.
@user-kd4xl2dq1c Жыл бұрын
Great job!!, love to hear about this history there.
@cherylpearson1963 Жыл бұрын
Wow, ty for introducing this history to us. You do an amazing job on your vids❤
@leonajameson89023 жыл бұрын
That is really interesting. I never knew this
@CraigShuman10 ай бұрын
Great video, be sure to check out the military museum there on the base, it has a diorama and more info on the prison camp. The museum has lots of Arizona history.
@paulayala4816 Жыл бұрын
Here in California we have Manzanar Internment camp, which is very well known, but I never heard of this story before. Phoenix, even back 30 years ago was a pretty spread out area, I can only imagine what it must have looked like back in 1944. Those prisoners must have looked out over the desert, saw no water in the river and said to themselves "wir werden sterben"
@AndyMetz-x6q5 ай бұрын
Another excellent and well-researched video by Steve on a little known but very interesting episode from past history. I keep thinking Steve is a retired History teacher. The only small correction I would make to this video is it's incorrect to continually call these escapees "Nazis". They were German conscriptees into the Nazi war machine led by Adolph Hitler, true, but very FEW of the German soldiers or people were members of the Nazi Party, less than 10% of the population. Refusal to serve in the Wehrmacht, or any of the armed forces was punishable by DEATH. it adds some drama to the narrative to call the escaped prisoners "Nazis", but it's almost certain that few, if any of them, actually were Nazis.
@farleymusclewhite411 Жыл бұрын
Did any of these guys commandeer a Triumph motorcycle and try to jump any fences?
@VintageVermilion3 жыл бұрын
Camp Lockett in Campo CA housed Italian POWs during WWII. It also had been a training camp for the Buffalo Soldiers.
@SidetrackAdventures3 жыл бұрын
I have that on my list of places to visit. I haven't done much research on it yet so I'm not sure what all is accessible, but I did see there was an Italian POW monument there too.
@brianmccarthy55572 жыл бұрын
It was there that the last American horse cavalry trained, though they were shifted to armor and infantry before being sent to Europe. Huell Howser once did an episode on Campo with some of the surviving 10th Cavalry veterans. I suspect the POW camp was there because the area was swarming with American soldiers so escape was very unlikely.
@gus47311 ай бұрын
There's a monument to the Buffalo Soldiers at Fort Huachuca (wah-choo-ka) near Sierra Vista, AZ 😎✌️
@TheMje19639 ай бұрын
I live right down the road from there and never new this, I knew that we had POW camps here in the states, but didn't know of this one in Scottsdale.
@debbiecamacho47733 жыл бұрын
I didn’t know. Thank you. Very interesting.
@northsongs6 ай бұрын
Fascinating video. Thanks!
@Rockfan10001 Жыл бұрын
Steve, thanks for this fascinating nugget of history. I am working in Az. I am always looking for interesting places to visit. I will add this to the list.
@joeglennaz10 ай бұрын
Hello from Phoenix. I’ve lived here all my life and I didn’t know anything about this. I grew up in central Phoenix near the 51 and Bethany home Road then I live many years near PV mall now I live in North Central Phoenix near I 17 and Jomax. Great video thanks!
@briancisco11763 жыл бұрын
Fascinating! It's my understanding that WWII POWs were supposed to be held in a climate similar to that where they'd been captured. So, perhaps these Germans were from the Afrika Korps?
@SidetrackAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Most of the prisoners at Papago Park were from the German navy.
@briancisco11763 жыл бұрын
@@SidetrackAdventures Wow! I stand corrected!
@Porsche996driver3 жыл бұрын
From the Afrika Corps that’s hilarious.
@guardgilbert2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video.
@JasmineApple3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating story! I'm like most people - I had no idea we had POWs in the US, much less that they had escaped. Great video!
@sinjin62193 жыл бұрын
German POWs started coming into the US after Rommel surrendered in North Africa. England was unable to house and feed them all. There were many camps, some were very small like the one here in my hometown in WI, and some were quite large. In the 1960's, my mother worked with one of the POWs who was not sent back to Germany (many petitioned to stay here but only a small percentage was allowed to stay). This man was a supervisor at a local factory and she said he still acted like a Nazi!
@cr8zy8killa4 Жыл бұрын
@@sinjin6219 They should've punked his ass, he obviously doesn't learn
@johnlafever3162 Жыл бұрын
@@sinjin6219 don't kid yourself. The government wasn't paying to send them back. They were all allowed to stay if they wanted.
@truracer207 ай бұрын
@@sinjin6219 wrong, Britain was responsible for British and commonwealth captured prisoners, the US was responsible for US captured prisoners, neither wanted massive numbers of prisoners held in France after D-Day, for the US German prisoners were used as shipping ballast in supply ships making the return journey back to the US. Prior to using prisoners as ballast we used air raid rubble from England, which was used to reclaim land around New York City.
@truracer207 ай бұрын
@@johnlafever3162 wrong. Just as the pow's were used to ballast supply ships returning from Europe the pow's were sent back as ballast on troop carriers which were going to Europe to bring US troops back to the US. Empty ships don't sail very well.
@gregormerry2995 Жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed this one!
@scottd20633 жыл бұрын
Interesting stuff! Thanks.
@21stCenturyRasselas10 ай бұрын
I live your stuff man, but the g in saguaro is pronounced like an h. Only nitpicking because I dont want you to get called out by an unfriendly. Great job on this. I always thought the camp was closer to the buttes at McDowell Rd. Learned a lot from you. PS love the videos about Desert tower, the cafe, etc!
@JSees Жыл бұрын
That is Camelback mountain to the north and the red rocky ones behind the military facility are the Papago Buttes. Saguaro is pronounced swaro and is the tall cactus with the multiple arms indigenous to the Sonoran desert.
@pcs95182 жыл бұрын
As an Arizona native the fact nothing remains really is irritating 😠. We love to bulldoze history here for the next new shiny thing.
@Maldoror2009 ай бұрын
@pcs9518.."SHINY"??.Corporate STUCCO, ya mean..UGH.., & "WE"..??, Speak 4 yerself, Poindxtr..
@theaviationphotographer613 жыл бұрын
wow as a person who is fascinated with WWII history I'm surprised that I haven't heard of this
@georgemcgillicuddy34983 жыл бұрын
Had The Poston Internment Camp in Poston , Arizona also
@IEchuckie Жыл бұрын
I think that was for Japanese
@michaeltaylor49845 ай бұрын
Our neighbors when we lived in NM was a German POW in Mesilla. After the war he was able to stay and work at Stahmann farms taking care of pecan trees.
@eleazarsoto6567 Жыл бұрын
Excelentes videos
@HootOwl513 Жыл бұрын
If you lift the manhole cover [2:05] can you enter the Tunnel? JK. My older brother's ex-sister-in-law lived near the camp. She liked to visit the fence and talk to one of the prisoners who'd learned Spanish [perhaps in the Spanish Civil War]. He told her Hitler was great, and he loved little Spanish girls like her. I don't know if he asked her to get him a free gas station road map -- but it would be a natural.
@remaguire Жыл бұрын
Interesting. Surprised that there was any escape in the USA. Compared to other countries, prisoners were treated very well here and in the UK.
@wayneyd211 ай бұрын
52nd and McDowell Rd military reservation was a Territorial prison back at the 1800's. I flew out of there for years.
@paul-we2gf Жыл бұрын
There were several PW camps in Canada. One was at Grande Ligne Quebec,a former boarding school. In the 1960s I was a student there. And it too had a escape tunnel but the RCMP caught the lot
@sueantoniotti85203 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Thanks
@johntuttle448610 ай бұрын
I did not know about this, thanks!
@CactusAtlas3 жыл бұрын
I gotta say... it's quite surreal heading to the Papago area to hike, bike, climb up the rocks or head to the zoo knowing about the history of the immediate area. Really good research on this one but I have to ask... did you get your Chino Bandido? 😅 Actually thought about popping by there this weekend but lacked the time.
@SidetrackAdventures3 жыл бұрын
There is a 0% chance of us ever going to the Phoenix area without stopping by Chino Bandido haha. We got dinner there on Saturday. First time at the new location.
@b.simmons5234 Жыл бұрын
Many people that lives here in AZ don’t know how rich in history this state is. I’ve been living here since 2007 and still finding out historical history here and there.
@Maldoror2009 ай бұрын
@b.simmons ..should head Home..!😘👌
@ADOTlied11 ай бұрын
Ride my bike along that trail often, knew the story but not the location of the monument. Cool man.
@Porsche996driver3 жыл бұрын
The Elks Lodge was the Officer’s Club! Lol of course it was. Awesome bit of WWII history for Americans to touch! Had no idea we had German POWs in Arizona, awesome story! 178 feet through the desert ain’t no joke - that’s some German engineering right there lol!
@Porsche996driver3 жыл бұрын
Btw, don’t know if you know the Brit Mark Felton’s WWII German history channel. He’d get a kick out of this story!
@SidetrackAdventures3 жыл бұрын
Digging through that desert is no easy task for sure. The whole thing certainly raises questions about the security at the camp.
@jerrysullivan84243 жыл бұрын
@@SidetrackAdventures They ( the guards ) may have known about the digging and allowed it to keep the Germans busy, and out of trouble. POWs would be making sure that while they were digging that other prisoner would not be stirring up trouble. just an opinion.
@Lizerator Жыл бұрын
The buildings were still there in the 60s when I was in high school
@JonathanLight1 Жыл бұрын
Really interesting. Never knew about this.
@brianmccarthy55572 жыл бұрын
Obviously they didn't understand what the things we call "rivers" in the Southwest really are.
@skyking4501 Жыл бұрын
I sure didn’t know we had German prisoners here in the states. I knew that many Japanese/Americans were incarcerated in prison camps, but they were just people living here when the east started not captured soldiers. Very interesting video. Thank you
@davidmc1489 Жыл бұрын
Algona iowa had a camp of pows
@ysrracer12 жыл бұрын
Cool video, thanks
@erickim202511 ай бұрын
Thanks great & interesting history lesson Steve, mahalo 😂
@SallySallySallySally4 ай бұрын
I had a client who was conscripted into the German army in World War II. He was captured by American forces and wound up in a POW camp on the East Coast. He managed to escape and somehow made his way to New York City. So, here he was, a teenager, scared, wanting to get back home. He went to some bar or club near the docks and was able to find someone who was supposedly taking a ship of goods to Europe (maybe Germany but it would at least be closer than he was now.) The guy agreed to take him if he showed up the following morning. The next morning, he went there and, while walking up to the bar or club, a man in an overcoat approached him, identified himself as an FBI agent and took him into custody. He was going to drive him back to the POW camp after interviewing him. My client said he was a really nice guy, probably around 35. They even stopped for hamburgers on the way since the FBI guy knew he must be hungry. When he arrived back at the POW camp, they just returned him back to his barrack. He was flabbergasted. He expected very harsh treatment but it never came. Anyway, the war ended a few months later and he was repatriated. He told me that, after the war, he realized how lucky he was that he wasn't captured by the Russians!