Sidewinder (SV3) v.s Velineon (VXL), the better choice!

[@devonkunkel454]

Thicker wire that is high quality will help your esc and motor operate more efficient and also run cooler.

[@PopExpo]

Agreed. The newer castle motors use this crummy 13awg wire. I replaced them with some 12awg with 5.5 mm bullet connectors..motor ran much cooler

[@jordancoleman2402]

Ive been running the same sidewinder esc for 6 years and in that same time ive had 2 TraxASS ESC'S release the magic smoke.

[@emmanuelmeyermeyer1083]

Great job! I just bought a Traxxus Rustler VXl with a castle motor upgrade. This is just what I needed. 👍

[@shanedwyer2845]

You can't put a 1406 against a velineon. Not a good comparison. Needs to be the 3800kv 1410

[@lanethompson4470]

Shane Dwyer or maybe 4600kv?

[@shanedwyer2845]

Lane Thompson no, the castle he's using is a 4600kv. The 3800kv is the counterpart to the 3500vxl

[@lanethompson4470]

Shane Dwyer my bad, I didn’t even watch the video lol.

[@tobiasriis3255]

yeah the motor is just a little bit to small, for that comparison.

[@gehandx]

Try a competition level motor and a esc, like fantom v3T and FR-10 PRO ESC on your hobby car, performance will greater than these , I have tested few

[@BUILTLIGHTWOUNDTIGHT]

I've ran 17 Velineon vxl systems, and 1 died because it didn't go into thermal shutdown. I have ran multiple Castle Creations SCT 1410 1Y 3'800-KV systems. I love both systems! And think that the Velineon system is a little over priced!! But the Traxxas warranty is worth the Velineon system, well to me it is anyway.

[@bordfronco]

When it didnt do a thermal shutdown, did it have a fan on the esc?

[@BUILTLIGHTWOUNDTIGHT]

@@bordfronco no fan on any of the 17, and running the sticky S1 compound Tires. The body was a Chevrolet 1500 from Pro-Line Racing and I had a huge Spoiler on the front of the Body, so I am thinking that it didn't have much if any airflow to the e.s.c. this was my bad!

[@bordfronco]

@@BUILTLIGHTWOUNDTIGHT a fan should be added due to all the extra force put on the parts can cause a lot of heat and can cause electronics to fail but i hope this comment helps btw thw fan for the velineon system is only like 25 dollars

[@matthewhale4500]

its like comparing a pine apple to an apple. it was cool that you did the measurements and read the amp ratings and the price but it was going downhill fast after that

[@MrSaaadpanda]

with the traxxas VXL system you can update the firmware on the speed control unit unlike the sidewinder just FYI along with if you want to upgrade the traxxas speed control and motor you can with the power up program along with the electronics for less than 1/3 of what it would cost to buy it the items brand new

[@maszkalman3676]

In the app you can change quite a lot with the velineon esc but you need sensors and a bluetooth upgrade for your remote.

[@memphistiger4647]

I have the 1410 3800kv with 5mm shaft in my rustler and that thing is a little BEAST!

[@jordankennedy4761]

How fast does it go?

[@tvon4966]

@@jordankennedy4761 geared up on 3s will easily hit 60

[@jordankennedy4761]

@@tvon4966 okay thank you, I got a sidewinder 4 today for my rustler how fast do you think it will go if I have a 2s lipo?

[@tys5503]

Castle posted a big write up on the traxxas forums explaining why they don’t put a current rating on their speed controllers that’s pretty informative. Castle really does make a great product and I love the vxl system but I’d have to say castle is superior but it all depends what you’re looking for

[@PopExpo]

I like your style with the wire mesh on the motor leads.

[@thareal.01]

It actually come with almost the same thing

[@jcallesano]

Why aren't you telling people about the traxxas power up program?! Trade in your old items for new ones at the discount for using the program.

[@ryanassheton5124]

Does that work is you have a brushed Traxxas motor and want to go the the vxl

[@jcallesano]

@@ryanassheton5124 Indeed it doe. I did it with my brushed stampede and have the vxl on 3s. It's stupid now. If I had Street tires, it might do 60+

[@joerutkowsky3261]

Get command stips . They hold 5lbs so they work perfect for the esc . Way better then two side tape.

[@knighthuntergtkrpro3073]

Never get low quality, I believe velineon is better, a motor and esc cost me $120 in a kit so that's proof you sure can get more for less

[@AlwaysUpgradingRCTurko]

I have had both and without getting into to much detail I can confidentially say that the castle 3800,4600,5700 1410 is sick. So much more torque and the ability to custom program it. The speed at quarter throttle blew me away compared to the Traxxas motor. I love the Traxxas brand but Castle got it.....

[@rcnutball4087]

When I got my Val slash new. on the first run on 3s it went into thermal cut off,then the esc took a crap so now I only run Castle creation.

[@johnwoods2035]

I grabbed that same system. I going to put it in my stock traxxas sport. They say u can pound these trx4's un them on 6s no problem.

[@Alexwilson225playsMC]

That Castle Motor is a 1406 can. It would be a proper comparison if you compared the Castle 3800kv 1410 motor with the Velineon 3500kv motor. The Traxxas ESC overheats like crazy from what I've heard, I run the 3800kv motor and the Castle SV3 esc.

[@honda116969]

My ESC runs 🆒! I run only 2S myself but geared just below top speed runs gearing. Both hella cool but the 1410 is the way to go with Mamba max pro

[@maszkalman3676]

That's why you can buy a fan for it for quite cheap under 20 dollars for the traxxas banded or even cheaper with a noname one.... also the yjsut shut off don't burn out...

[@shooterboyroy3690]

Just got a rustler VXL w/ a 4000mah 11.1v 3s Li & id charger combo for $295!!! For the bundle

[@shooterboyroy3690]

@Lockdown spinning my custom. 2wd Slash LCG VXL with a wide travel front end 14 1/4" stance on 2.8 badlands MX is way better then any 4x4

[@shooterboyroy3690]

@Lockdown spinning I run HR aluminum caster blocks and I bash it hard even at skateparks and no problems at all the wide stance handles like a dream

[@darnellfenceroy3787]

@@shooterboyroy3690 I disagree lol slash 4x4 with the revo slipper kit constant velocity drives shafts on 2.8 trenchers

[@montanarc4148]

Thanks for taking the time for the comparison and video man.

[@ronaldrey8474]

Great comparison. Fyi... your Castle ESC can use double sided tape or Velcro much cheaper

[@stevenstanton8037]

I own both motors the castle has a lot more torque

[@thelandex7581]

Speed too?

[@connorkatz2031]

@@thelandex7581 for me my vxl goes a lot faster

[@thelandex7581]

@@connorkatz2031 I’ve done a lot of research and for the money, castle is much better for speed and stregnth

[@denniscollins2480]

U can't fck with castle 💯

[@BUILTLIGHTWOUNDTIGHT]

I bought the 1406 4'600-KV for my B6M, and it was just not enough torque for me! So I put the 1410 1Y 3'800-KV in it, and was totally happy with it!!!

[@motortoys9942]

BUILTLIGHTWOUNDTIGHT get a 6s compatible esc so you can use castle link and retune that 1406-4600 to do some runs on 4s really wakes it up on 6s it's a whole different animal

[@serkan5001]

Making a 2wd monster raptor. Best esc/motor combo would be Castle?

[@GenesisRC]

Bit late sorry, I'd go castle

[@serkan5001]

Genesis RC & FPV I did go castle lol Rips!!

[@redline_rc1739]

Thats what im doing im turning my raptor into a dragster imma add a casle 15 series motor and esc

[@shephardoffire3840]

The Traxxas COMBO is cheaper than the esc alone on amazon

[@allmightygreat1892]

My local hobby shop said traxxas system only work with traxxas motor , esc. Never allow esc to dangle loose. Use double side servo tape.

[@Todd_G_FPV]

Your hobby shop is full of idiots lol

[@AsurasWrath164]

Half assed video! Would it have been so hard to go into the recording a little bit prepared?

[@troyclayton4171]

Got volinium esc and motor combo for 155.

[@lg-xt5pn]

Here's a way Castle is better you said you had a pretty heavy roll cage on it and the Velineon struggled I once had a castle motor on a car hauling ass with almost 6 ft 1/8 inch by inch and a half Steel

[@TndPnyRCofficial]

The VXL ESC doesn't really cost $200. I have my Velineon system for only $170. That's with the motor and ESC

[@AM-wi6zo]

And for $100 you get a better 3800kv motor and esc from castle

[@BaileyStokes-]

I found a full castle kit for $66

[@kmcgz]

Should have compared castle 1410 svt model

[@riptheebrakegaming8554]

Tbh love the velineon motor but the ecs sucks if anyone owned one before u already know there prown to failure and overheat with or without fan

[@ConditionZero76]

$160 vs $140 not a big difference in price at all (flip a coin)

[@thomassheppard2180]

Great video! Rather than wait a month or two, the Velineon system was on back order, I went with a Hobby Star brushless and Esc, $110 for both! My hobby shop said it's very comparable to the Velineon system! I run Lipos 2s and 3s! My Slash with a 3s is almost uncontrollable even on pavement, lol! Been running the Hobby Star for almost 3 weeks and I'm very impressed so far. I love my Slash and it screams over stock! My hobby shop provided the Traxxas end at no extra charge! Anyone running a Hobby Star and what are your thoughts? I'm still a noob, lol....any info would be greatly appreciated!!!

[@monkeyknucklerc2979]

youre comparing apples to oranges. the vxl is twice the price because its twice as good as the one you compared it to. compare the Castle SCT 3800 system if you want to see a good comparison. Both systems have pros and cons. If you really want to have some fun, put the vxl esc on the 5700 castle 4 pole motor.....then you have the amperage and rpm that will blow your mind

[@JeffreyGreen]

Love the vids. As a fellow KZbin hobbyist I subbed to see what you have coming

[@GenesisRC]

Thanks! Recently I have been doing livestreaming of my 3D modelling and printing. That is mostly what you will find on my channel nowadays.

[@JeffreyGreen]

Genesis RC & FPV I’ve also been interested in that recently as well so this should work out good

[@loganf9168]

I bought a traxxas brushless moter and esc for only $170 on amazon since my castle moter and esc both have put and died.

[@Trumpethon]

Logan Frame you should of contacted castle I’ve had them repair or replace systems and the castle system deals with it very very well as the traxxes over heats I have both systems and on my current set up the castle system was around 10mph faster. The side winder v4 esc and motor is 129 on Amazon

[@tobydyes]

Is cool double-sided tape I'm not going to leave it dangling

[@lg-xt5pn]

Maybe for a test run Id leave it hanging but for me I use hot glue

[@petehoefs2619]

Kind of a apples and oranges comparison, should have compared the 1410 castle

[@darnellfenceroy3787]

You can literally change all the settings with the TQI remote

[@Sqwidwood]

I also own both but my castle has absolute zero torque but my motor went bad

[@Robert67909]

To be honest with you I think it's quality control just depends on how good the solder joints. Every ESC is going to have more resistance than the other so just depending on the QC factor maybe that's why some run hot and some don't!

[@GenesisRC]

I believe it is how they engineer the circuit board and what grade of conductors they use

[@jdubbfam37]

Hi hello. Great video. I have both systems. I actually oun two castle creations systems. But now i have come across a RC that holds a castle creations sidewinder 3 esc and velenion motor? Now that combo in my RC runs amazing! Wheelys on command. Half throttle is 46 . Not enough room where I live . But it's a great combo. Love it

[@GenesisRC]

Awesome!

[@johnlennon_38special]

Is it possible to wire one of those to the stock ESC?

[@GenesisRC]

Brushless motors must be hooked up to a brushless ESC

[@markmccullough6873]

$169.99 for the set out the door about $175😀

[@rileywalker9862]

I paid 160 for a new vxl motor and esc combo at a hobby shop

[@liamfisketjon7365]

You forgot to mention how unreliable the traxxas escs are, I have been through 6 traxxas escs in 5 years on 2s lipo with a fan on top.

[@jaredemanouil7071]

The castle is actually 13 gauge wire coming from esc to motor they’re not both 12 gauge

[@Alexander-x2m7i]

Should i get a 3500kv motor or a 2950kv motor?

[@GenesisRC]

Difference is minor but I'd go with a lower K/V

[@fbiagent3399]

The Better Choice Is The Hobbywing Sct Kit.... I've Owned Both And Hobbywing Definitely Blows Both Away

[@lk_dslr1951]

I got my velineon motor and esc new for 100 dollars I think the site was rc super store so if u need one check there

[@lk_dslr1951]

I have a slash 2wd with a velineon And I have a exceed rc madspeed which can't fit a velineon so il pribibly get the castle which my local shop sells for 110 New

[@motortoys9942]

Sidewinder3 won't stand up to the vxl, can push as much amps or turn as tall of gears. Sidewinder4 setup right will run with or beat it. So far my vxl geared 40/76 is second only to my Mamba X truck on 6s

[@Rgotty194]

Which one of the motors is faster for a Traxxas rustler 1/10 scale RWD

[@AM-wi6zo]

Castle 3800kv have it on my 2wd rustler for a while now.

[@analogalbacore7166]

Then traxxas 9s faster then the castle

[@billcox87]

castle system hands down is WAY better, durability, reliability and setup options kill traxxas!!!! I had 2 velineon esc's in my slash and they both blow!!!! second time, the damn thing caught on fire, luckily I was able to save the slash. after that I went with the castle and have been groovy ever since.

[@GenesisRC]

Happy you enjoy your Sidewinder!

[@motortoys9942]

HUGE difference between old vxl and v2 vxl

[@RajK-zd6zs]

On amazon found one for whole kit new with mounting plate for 120

[@GenesisRC]

Raj K 7910 nice find!

[@RajK-zd6zs]

Genesis RC & FPV thanks I just got the e revo vxl and I’m thinking to put on the stampede wheels on do you think it will work

[@GenesisRC]

Raj K 7910 if you are putting it in a 1/10 erevo the motor will have nowhere near enough torque to move the vehicle or you will have heating issues. If you are talking about the mini erevo then I'd recommend gearing down a fair amount just to be nice to the diffs. They don't like being under a lot of torque and will strip if you put them under a lot of speed. Be sure to spend your time shimming the diffs PERFECTLY if you plan on doing so

[@RajK-zd6zs]

Genesis RC & FPV good do I do paralelfor better speed

[@GenesisRC]

Raj K 7910 series connector adds speed, parallel connector adds runtime

[@angeldelgado8161]

Where did you get the Velineon VXL motor?

[@arthurhexeberg1533]

its stock

[@ThunderBird80085]

Never buy direct from traxxas there is money to be saved when even buying from a traxxas dealer

[@cameroneshleman4833]

The main reason I'm looking for a new system is because I have a 2 pole vxl system but the new 4 pole won't work with the dumbo rc x6 controller I have so I need to find something else

[@rotten2209]

Huh? Why wouldn't it work with any transmitter?

[@cameroneshleman4833]

@@rotten2209 honestly have no clue but it involves the esc not knowing what the throttle position is on the dumbo controller. I met it in the middle and I just have no reverse and when I use the brakes it's basically an on and off switch

[@nefariouspreludev2.046]

You can’t compare two totally different size motors.

[@mtoon5406]

Im trying to look for a new brushless combo for my brushed slash 4x4 and i use a 2s lipo but im not sure whether i should get a castle or velineon Oh and im not sure what kv i should get

[@GenesisRC]

Get a castle, lower kV like 2500-4000 at most

[@mtoon5406]

@@GenesisRC how fast do you think it’ll go with stock gearing?

[@GenesisRC]

@@mtoon5406 well stock gearing really varies... with a 16T pinion and 55T spur id say 90km/hr or 60miles/hr

[@mtoon5406]

@@GenesisRC would a 3800 kv get to those speeds and would it be ok for off road play and on road too? Haha sorry about all the questions

[@GenesisRC]

@@mtoon5406 ya 3800kv is good, for offroad use you can always gear down to reduce temps

[@skatj23]

I over heat the vxl ESC on 3s all the time it's annoying I shouldn't have to re gear every time switching from on road to off road..

[@GenesisRC]

What car do you use the VXL on? And what gearing?

[@skatj23]

@@GenesisRC a 1/16 revo. 55/23 at the moment for 2s if I switch to 3s I always hit ESC temp shut off the whole reason I got the revo was to run it on 3s hard and fast on dirt and street. I have the hot racing diffs as well with pro line trenchers. At this point I'm about to drop a 1/10 ESC in instead to run 3s motor is warm but I can still touch but ESC just not taking it.... Way hotter than motor.

[@GenesisRC]

@@skatj23 I'd gear down a bit. And a larger capacity ESC is the way to go, I use the SV3 in my merv.

[@skatj23]

@@GenesisRC what gearing would you run on 3s on dirt to get 50-60mph.? 😅 I tried a bunch of different combos but for that speed it's limited or no ?

[@Jamstorm-e5m]

Will this work with team associated rat trophy

[@honda116969]

That velineon system will compete with a 1410 with a Mamba Max pro... The 1410 will be a little better but they're in the same ballpark. 1406 just can't compete imo

[@aladinoreyes2159]

As well as the sidewinder?

[@williamcabello2142]

Will I have a stampede 2-wheel drive what motor do you think is good the the Traxxas motor or the castle motor

[@GenesisRC]

Both are good. Whatever you prefer

[@williamcabello2142]

Which one do you think is quicker

[@trinidyjohnson9295]

But when they run head-to-head the castle has more tourk out of the hole and more top end.,...

[@PNWboysoutdoors]

I have just gone through 2 sidewinder 3. I have it paired with a valeon motor the older brushless one but has the rebuild kit on it and I have a 18t pinion and 86t 48p spur gear. 11.1v 3s lipo motor only ever gets warm same with esc but this one has gone out within 2 weeks of having it and on its second run on 3s. I do not like the sidewinder 3. Its a traxxas slash btw

[@explod329]

You deff got your gearing wrong. I have beat the living shit out of 3 Sidewinder 3's on 3s and never 1 time had an issue. You went through 2? Lol, yah, you got something wrong. Ran these on slash, and even larger trucks.

[@rccarworks9212]

Great review!

[@gaming_empire7977]

any idea if you can put the wires from the castle on to the velineon. like soder them on the velineon. and would the traxxas link up to the castle if you can do it...

[@gaming_empire7977]

link up to the castle ecs

[@GenesisRC]

If you are wanting to hook up a castle motor to the Velineon ESC, you can cut and solder the wires from the motor onto male 3.5mm bullet connectors

[@gaming_empire7977]

i am actully trying to put the castle wires onto the velineon motor to run the velineon on the castle esc.

[@GenesisRC]

If you are wanting to hook up a velineon motor to the Castle ESC, you can cut and solder the wires from the motor onto male 4mm bullet connectors

[@GenesisRC]

Kenneth Spiece yes, you put 4mm bullet connectors on the velineon so they match the castle bullet connectors

[@tobydyes]

Yeah Castle creation more programmable with a computer Traxxas 3 settings that's it

[@joshkiel9405]

Dude it’s 200 bucks for motor and esc

[@CT-pc3rh]

Which one is faster

[@aladinoreyes2159]

How much amp is the vxl speed control?

[@shorelinestosutton511]

Great review! The Neanderthals who didn’t like your review should keep their opinions to themselves. They dont realize how obnoxious and rude they come across bc that is normal for them. Keep up the good work!

[@lk_dslr1951]

But with a longer can it will take a lot of compatibility with smaller cars

[@combustionpropulsion4883]

Definitely not 150amps on that Traxxas esc.

[@dylanwhite6539]

1410 is the proper comparison. That motor is more of a on road and buggy car.

[@OneTimeIAteABagel]

I've seen you on a different video lol

[@jamesjordan7727]

I got one and my grandpa's

[@whospeedy2415]

Good video 👍

[@christ2054]

It’s not 200$ for the esc.

[@jordancoleman2402]

Definitely want your esc secured to the chassis!!! Very poor advice to give! Especially if you run with the body off!!! If you want to keep your system safe always have the esc secured!!!

[@bigcaseyball1]

What are the covers on the motor wires called

[@GenesisRC]

Wire mesh, you'll find a video on it if you look up Scylla upgrades

[@lrburns4]

Not to be rude but the Traxxas esc is not really compatible with the castle

[@GenesisRC]

Any brushless ESC is compatible with any brushless motor so long as the specs will allow it to run without issues. I've personally run the velineon ESC with the castle motor and it worked fine.

[@tombo3425]

Genesis RC & FPV what about velineon motor with castle esc?

[@Sxkra]

lol i got my vxl set for 180$ new honstly feels bad

[@GenesisRC]

You don't like the VXL? Tell us why

[@brenanmathis5034]

You got ripped off buying that traxxas system you can trade in the brushed system along with $120 and get a brand new one from traxxas they have done this offer for years and years

[@808galvatron]

I'm not a fan of vxl line up I prefer castle. Vxl esc does not have the punch like the castle. Vxl has a soft start.

[@GenesisRC]

That's one of my favourite things about the castle escs: they have programmable acceleration. Unfortunately the higher setting the harder it is on the motor.

[@rcalltypes8230]

The Castle 1410 3800kv, is the motor you should be comparing the VXL to! Not the smaller 1406 motors, with the VXL ESC the Castle mamba max pro is a fair comparison ( better) in my Imo.

[@shonuff420]

HOW DO YOU DO THAT TO THE WIRES?? AND I HAVE A(CASTLE SW3 FULL SYSTEM IN MY(SUUUPER CUSTOM HPI SPRINT2 I USE FOR DRIFT RACING MOSTLY,,,BUT I DO RUN STREET TIRES EVERY NOW AND THAN,,,(BUT I JUST GOT ME A BRUSHED TRAXXAS 4TECH,,I WASS GONNA TOSS THE CASTLE IN IT BUUUT 1.IDE BE BACK TO A SLOW COMP DRIFTER SOOO NO GO!!!B.I LIKE TO RUN THE SAME BRAND PARTS ETC I TRULY THINK(SPECALLY WITH TRAXXAS THEY RUN WAYYY BETTER/FASTER/JUST BETTER OVERALL!!! AAANNDDD WITH THE CASTLE SYSTEM YOU CANT RUN ALL THE DIFF SENSORS ETC! SOO IM GOING VXL

[@akshayb5265]

Nice 👍

[@Rckid28]

Whatever you do don’t waste your money on Traxxas electronics, they are garbadge

[@braydenrupp8828]

I’m trying to make my rustler fast, no more off-roading just on road use what motor and esc combo should I get

[@GenesisRC]

I like the sidewinder overall. Fast speeds will have more current draw which the SV3 seems to handle better. The SCT version has a larger 1410 motor which is definitely better. Then have a larger pinion / smaller spur to gear up for more speed vs torque

[@braydenrupp8828]

Genesis RC & FPV Thank you!!

[@snaxxyirl]

oh ok do you know the kv on both of them

[@GenesisRC]

The velineon motor is 3500KV, whereas the castle SV3 SCT comes with 3800KV, and normal SV3 comes with a variety between 4600-7000KV. I would choose the lowest KV as it gives more low end torque

[@snaxxyirl]

wich is faster

[@GenesisRC]

Neither, it all depends on your gearing. The motor with more torque will be able to be used in high speed setups without getting as hot though

[@troyclayton4171]

Vxl is ok but sw3 fully program Abel no comparison rookie lol just messing with you rookies

[@Trotter13]

Did that really just happen? Are you trolling? I'm going to just say you are trolling. Good troll, almost got me.

[@GenesisRC]

? What are you trying to say

[@jeffbryner5355]

That vxl is not a better system they burn up all the time lol. Esc smokes bearings go out in the motor. See it at the track quit often. On castles website u can buy rebuild kits if your motor fries but I have a 3800 from the first gen sw combo and it still works fine. Motors go when there over heated or there crap quality like the vxl lol. Your vxl will have more torque then your castle motor because of the kv and size. Im sure if u didn't have a 4600 and up kv 1406 castle for this video and had the 3800 kv 1410 the rotors would be the same or closer and have the same to. The vxl is a 1410 can 3500 kv so either way you go the castle is a faster motor. I run a sw4 esc with a 3800 in my sc6 and I smash on slashes every weekend at the track. The sw3 and up are way more programmable then the 3 settings the vxl has with the Bluetooth module or the castle link. Sw is more of a bigginer race combo or experienced basher combo that wants to tune there model to get the best out of it. The vxl is entry level rtr combo for the person that wants a little more power from there rtr. My Traxxas spartan comes stock with castle products. There is a reason for that lol

[@devonkunkel454]

The vxl is only rated at 65 amps continuous and 100 Peak

[@Zybruss]

*lEsS lOnG*

[@protekyerneck]

Traxxas is garbage I bought a slash and burnt the Velineon motor in the first month, in fact my slash now has zero traxxas electronics/parts vxl lasted 6 months Servo died around the same time. Every time something broke I’d replace it with the best reviewed and I’ve been running a castle motor for 3 years zero problems way more torque and speed than the traxxas garbage

[@rattlehead7281]

My vxl works just fine after 5 years of use without rebuild.