SIENAR VS INCOM: Starfighter Dominance in Star Wars

[@johncnorris]

Garven Dries: Skywalker! You sure you can handle this ship? Luke: Hold my Proton Torpedo...

[@stevedenis8292]

Phrasing.

[@theevildrummingsithlord1492]

@@stevedenis8292 So uncivilized.

[@Centuries_of_Nope]

I have to side with Sienar. When given the funding and space to develop, we get machines like the Defender and Reaper. Sienar is very flexible and adaptive when given the room to do so. I care more about adaptability than a singular good piece.

[@marcelxd1633]

Your name ☠️

[@rakisuzuki-burke4148]

The oldest battle between military technology: Quality vs Quantity

[@rodrigoignaciolunacruz3545]

You are right remember battle of termopolies

[@michaelstout3775]

@Toby Twist The true winner will be who can achieve a true balance first.

[@jarlathquinn2628]

I think quality over quantity

[@justadino8780]

@@jarlathquinn2628 neither is better than the other the best option is a mix of both

[@jarlathquinn2628]

@@justadino8780 ok yeah

[@viperson9818]

I think Sienar have cooler sounding ships. The rebel alliance didn’t have the resource for the complicated x-wings, then sienar went out to make the tie interceptor and tie defender two of which are very powerful in their own rights. When sienar want it strong they make it strong.

[@KindaVanny98]

I will always have a soft spot of the arc170 as it was one of my first lego sets after getting of Duplo

[@andyb1653]

I don't really like the oversize pelican-nose they put on it, but yes, the ARC-170 is a fantastic heavy starfighter.

[@diestormlie]

I love the damn thing. I think it's honestly my favourite Star Wars Starfighter. I think partially because it's somewhat Ugly.

[@seanmcgrath3826]

@@diestormlie To me, the ARC-170 is my 2nd, after the TIE Defender

[@akstormtrooper508]

For infantry units, my preference ought to be clear. For spacecraft, I think the CR-90 fits well. If that kind of modularity is available for starfighters, then that's my kinda ship. I genuinely think adaptability is an important part of winning a fight, whether it be land, sea, air, or space.

[@TheRezro]

@@seanmcgrath3826 Neh, it was too heavy. X-Wing is almost perfect attack fighter.

[@SeanyBoy589]

I would absolutely love to see more about star wars corporations, I mean with all the ships and tech lying about, there has to be many (or few) private corporations making all of these products and really understanding how the galactic economy works, since this is a system that spans "systems", makes you wonder how it could ever be managed.

[@dahaterzzzz]

I'd guess that it'd be explained away with droids and fancy super computers lol

[@squads_cap514]

Really interesting topic! I always wondered how the economic system works with megacorporations like trade Federation, trade alliance, IBC and Co. It's an important Part of Star Wars but never gets that great explained.

[@redcoltken]

I would like to see Incom VS the Empire - how they kept building them

[@cidballcidball8030]

Ken Valderrama I believe to because income also made ships for the empire, so they were an ally. Also there would definitely be backlash if the empire were to just attack an allied corporation because of such frivolous issues, not to mention how expensive end resource intensive it would be to attack not only the company that makes ships for you, but one that can just make more ships to keep fighting. see: Battle of Kuat Drive Yards

[@joelpekkola4281]

9:33 “Dropshits”

[@andresmcguire-buckley1659]

Lol.

[@aaronpena6312]

Shue Razzberry heard that too, had to give it a listen again haha

[@jordanpeterson2001]

I’m glad I’m not the only one that heard it 🤣

[@mrbluea23]

Stonks

[@smokestack3327]

Shue Razzberry nice spot

[@emperorryanii]

Star Wars can explains and give a story for everything they make, it’s like a real world of their own.

[@owenfrancisco8733]

How about kuat drive yards vs the free dak engineering corps or the mon calamari shipyards

[@reedcoffman3210]

Rendili and kuat are probably the biggest rivals ever

[@johnscull1142]

Mon Calamari never intended to build warships, but once they started they never looked back. Some of the best designed ships in the galaxy.

[@stuglife5514]

Man, I’d say it’s a tie between Mon cal and Kuat. Kuats strengths are Mon Cals weaknesses and vise versa

[@waywardrush]

three words; Corellian Engineering Corporation

[@RuneMasterKnight]

put in Mandal Hypernautics in there.

[@shaider1982]

In a rogue squadron novel, wedge said that a pilot should not fly with full compensator to have a sense of where his or her craft is behaving. He mused that Porkins might have sensed that his xwing was not recovering if he did not fully engage his inertial.compensator.

[@MrMarinus18]

11:55 The TIE was very important. The Imperial star destroyers had very little anti-fighter defenses. Putting all it's power into anti-ship batteries so it relied on the TIE fighters to protect them. That's part of why they are so short ranged as they were never supposed to be far from their carriers. Rebel ships included many more point defense systems and were generally better armored so they didn't rely on fighter protection as much. That meant their fighters were tasked with more offensive roles since the firepower of most rebel ships was rather low.

[@EloquentTroll]

If I'm a pilot I want an Incom product, if I am an accountant I want Seinar

[@nickvinsable3798]

VERY Interesting. Corellian Engineering Corporation vs ? ? ? Blast-Tech vs ? ? ? MerrSon vs ? ? ?

[@thedynamicdoggo4155]

What’s MerrSon?

[@nickvinsable3798]

May have misspelled it, The Dynamic Doggo, but their full name is MerrSon Munitions…

[@Julian-pw5mv]

Kuat driveyards vs ? ? ?

[@nickvinsable3798]

Aside from Mon Cala, which seems to have been more of a civilian manufacturer than a military one, Julian, something the perfectly rivals Kuat…

[@egghead2678]

Sorosuub corporation

[@benablaze9435]

I find it ironic that incom is a engineering college in the UK

[@smeghead765]

Fake news. If Brits built the X-wing it would always be in the shop for repairs.

[@fulcruum7567]

i r o n i c

[@michaelhowze8198]

@@smeghead765 The P51 sid fine and had a British engine

[@G_Diddler]

@@smeghead765 let me guess ur American

[@smeghead765]

It's a joke. A low effort one to be sure, but a joke nonetheless.

[@TKnightcrawler]

Hey man. You went from Legends backstory to new-canon stuff. It might be nice to delineate when you are making a shift. The story of the TIE Defender is completely different (and makes more sense in implementation) in Legends. But that's a small part of the video, of course. I think overall, it was a great video.

[@cooddude_lite513]

Pretty nice, needs more views.

[@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.]

It's not a rivalry it's a friendship. These guys need each other.

[@callum563]

Great video, it’s interesting to hear about the company’s that produce the vehicles in Star Wars. In real life all the planes, tanks, ships and weapons were made by companies that we still have today. Ford, Mitsubishi, BMW,Skoda, plus there are lots that we don’t have today Junker ,Messerschmitt, Vickers, Hawker...

[@jacobweinstock2180]

First time I saw it I always loved the Arc170, intelligence and recon, assault and heavy, it seemed to almost fill to many roles to be efficient OR effective but that's why I wanted it, a craft perfect for mod's or ready off the line to deal with most problems that a single pilot would have to deal with, making it better for a aggressive exaple leader or lone wolf bounty hunter

[@jacobweinstock2180]

I always pick the middle ground one size fit all machine unless I absolutely must pick something smaller/faster or bigger/stronger If I need a Corvette, Cargo, Gunship or Interceptor class ship I get the best one for me and the job but the ship for few people possible often as possible I'll get the ARC170, definitely if I was a bounty hunter, turn the copilot seat into a brig, get another droid for the rear guns and repair, use the room in back for more/bigger/better engines/hyperdrive and defense's, more missile launchers and rapid fire guns, faster heavy cannons and then just upgrade everything around as needed

[@Dragon_Werks]

One thing you left out, from Legends, is that the Prototype T-65 X-Wing was the prototype for the TIE Fighter's replacement. The Empire was supposed to start production and deployment of X-Wings, but the mass defection of the design staff with the sole existing prototype and all the design schematics killed that plan.

[@atigerclaw]

"The average human can withstand about nine Gs before passing out." The average human can withstand about THREE Gs before passing out. A qualified and physically fit pilot can withstand about four unassisted. To get to the 7 to 9 range, you need a G suit and breathing/muscle-tensing techniques. Of course, point stands with starfighters doing double-digit Gs.

[@andyb1653]

It's a lie. The X-Wing was made by Pontiac, and TIE series is made by Nissan. The Falcon wasn't built by Corellian Engineering, either. It's just what a GMC Vandura looks like in that universe.

[@sheevone4359]

TIE series is rather Mitsubishi

[@andyb1653]

@@sheevone4359 Acceptable

[@stukablyat6266]

Andy B they are all made by honda

[@andyb1653]

@@stukablyat6266 AFAIK Honda only makes swoop bikes and speeders in SW universe

[@stukablyat6266]

Andy B no they are actually the kuat driveyards

[@MrMarinus18]

6:40 No. The Venator had excellent point defense systems. The fighters were mainly for offense. While it had 8 turbo laser batteries they were very low powered for a cruiser sized ship. They could engage in shootouts with other capital ships and their strong shields and decent armor let them last quite a while. But they heavily relied on their fighters and bombers to tip the scale in their favor.

[@pacesettenbrino2065]

"Excellent quality and price." Just remember that that was because the Trandoshans used slave labor.

[@pacesettenbrino2065]

@Joshua Sharwood hmmm.... let me think...

[@draconianscout]

I always felt that the TIE was a better dog fighter thanks to episode 4, it was lighter and faster and not having shields, hyperdrive, or life support, allowed it to funnel all its power into weapons and speed. When a TIE gets on an X-wings tail it's almost always game over for the X-wing

[@chaoscommentary2179]

The z95 head hunter and the tie hunter are my favorites

[@lancer737]

Allen, in the lore, the TIE Interceptors have it being superior to an X-Wing in every way but shielding. Its actually so powerful that it kills B-Wings with a single shot, so I don't know how only the Tie-Defender is the true first counter to an X-Wing? The lore has TIE Interceptors and Fighters being super easy to mod, probably so they could save money and allow elite Squadrons to mount more advanced systems, like Khyber drives, shields, beam weapons and so on. So I would include that as an important attribute.

[@andyb1653]

Overall performance, yes the TIE Interceptor is better, But the X-Wing still has 3 distinct advantages: -Hyperdrive -Deflector Shields -Warhead launchers The TIE Defender has all of these, is even faster than the TIE Interceptor, and has ion cannons to boot. The TIE Interceptor beats the X-Wing in several categories, but the TIE Defender just beats the X-Wing outright.

[@lancer737]

@@andyb1653 All those things can easily be mounted to a TIE Interceptor though with no Ill effect on energy output, on top of that they can be mounted with beam weapons like full fledged tactical jammers, tractor beams and so on. TIE Interceptor Squadrons that did one or all the above at the same time are Alpha Squadron, Avenger Squadron, Sunspot Squadron, and The Royal Guard TIE Interceptors.

[@lancer737]

@@andyb1653 Also in the lore, specifically in Complete Vehicles, TIE Interceptors are mentioned being the Empires greatest Dogfighter, and in SW:vehicles and vessels, it says it's one of the greatest dogfighters of the civil war. So theirs a couple things TIE Interceptors can do better than TIE Defenders.

[@Devenix8527]

You forget that the Interceptor still had no hyperdrive; despite allegedly being better than the X-Wing (Imperial propaganda at its finest) the Interceptor was still a short ranged fighter with no shields, life support, usually no secondary weapons, large profile due to the wings (still smaller than a standard TIE), and no hyperdrive to chase down Rebel fighters. The Defender, however, DID have a hyperdrive, shields, and secondary weapons. That's how it's the true counter to the X-Wings.

[@andyb1653]

@@lancer737 Less mass, more maneuverability. I'd buy that. Is each ship's power-to-weight ratio stated anywhere? That'd be the tell.

[@Sierra-208]

Incom X-wing: The strike fighter you send in to take out the important targets Sienar TIE Line: The mass produced fighters sent in to cover the aforementioned strike fighter. Did they ever make an unmanned version of the TIE Defender? I feel like it make a good wingman UCAV

[@3Rayfire]

Thanks for this, this one easily one of the greatest stories never told. Is there a video about Kuat Drive Yards? What about the MonCal?

[@darkdeathlord1102]

9:32 I swear you said "Drop Shits"

[@artifactplaysvelez2195]

WHAT ABOUT KUAT!?

[@dominicvucic8654]

Kuat vs rendili vs corellia

[@seanmcgrath3826]

@@dominicvucic8654 Add Fondor & Mon Calamari to that please

[@dominicvucic8654]

@Joshua Sharwood sullust aswell

[@TheNord06]

@@dominicvucic8654 bilbringi

[@WardenWolf]

Star Wars Episode 10: A Big Steaming Pile of Sith.

[@bristianmemequisition]

That smooth transition in 13:25 from a new hope to rogue one

[@michaelnuss372]

Hell yeah, this was a good episode and if possible, keep it up!

[@thenovelshark]

There is also Cybot Galactica and Industrial Automation's rivalry. That one was even characterised by R2-D2 and C-3PO.

[@TheRezro]

Two different types of droids. Not to mention that both were custom.

[@ukmediawarrior]

The age old question, which pilots were best? Rebels in the X-Wings or Imperials in their TIE's? Rebel pilots could become to dependant on the X-Wings shields in a dogfight whereas the Imperial pilot had to live on his skill and wits as one shot could kill him. This is probably why the best Rebel pilots were Imperial defectors who had been trained and flown TIE fighters. They were a meld of the two best qualities, instinctive piloting in a starfighter with a shield :)

[@cidballcidball8030]

I think that imperials have better piloting but if I recall, I think one of the books I have says that they use a set a very predictable maneuvers that are taught to them repeatedly in the academy. So maybe imperials are better pilots while rebels have better ships

[@TheRezro]

@lcyw20 Only the best ones.

[@TheThunderguardian]

This was a great and interesting video. With all the major stuff in SW it's nice to look into lesser known topics.

[@Aotearas]

Personally I still think the Buick is the greatest starfighter in the Star Wars universe. Extremely small target profile, fast, manouverable, got shields and and cluster missiles in addition to its lasers. Also it honks enemy ships into submission.

[@andyb1653]

Century, or Regal? I flew a GSX once, thig was amazing.

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

The ARC 170 design is actually a historical comparison. Just as the Star Wars was inspired by the Battle of Britain and especially some movies, the turreted fighter was an idea that some people toyed with, including Winston Churchill. He supported an idea where a fighter would be equipped with a turret, and aircombat would look like two battleships sailing side by side and hammering each other until one or the other sank. Some planes were produced, and indeed, proved to be slow, heavy, cumbersome and having way too little firepower, taking massive losses in the war. Luckily, other models with more sensible design were also being developed, monoplane, single pilot craft with fixed forward armament and concentrating on speed and maneuverability: the Hurricane and the Spitfire, the real life X and A wings. You can even see it in the design, the long nose of the X-wing mimicking the equally long nose of the Spitfire, housing first the hugely powerful Rolls-Royce Merlin engine, and later the monstrous Rolls-Royce Griffon exceeding over 2000 hp.

[@mansuurabdulaziz2034]

THANK YOU ALLEN FOR THE INNER VIEW OF THE WAR MACHINE AS WELL AS THE ALLIANCE'S WAR MACHINE

[@mitchcoleman1238]

Yes I would love to see more videos on rival companies!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@mansooralmudahka3088]

53 comments at 53 minutes I love KZbin 😂😂😂

[@chefdean7257]

Enjoy your videos as always, despite your pronunciation of See En Ar Systems, lol. Always considered TIE Defender to be one of the strongest mass produced naval vessels in SW, and often fielded one hundred TIE/s, three hundred TIE/Defs, three Raider corvettes and two Imp Star Destroyers, to be the perfect Thrawn style surgical armada. Well reviewed !

[@SpazMonkeyxd]

I would be down for more videos about corporations and the other parts of star wars

[@GaoDaHoi]

The same reason why you would rather fly a Wildcat or P-40 rather than the Advanced Zero in WW2

[@andyb1653]

I always thought of an X-Wing as a cross between a P-51 and a Chevy Camaro.

[@GaoDaHoi]

@@andyb1653 The P-51 Mustang is more like the E-wing or F-4U Consair. The later game changing planes that have the best of both worlds on agility and amour. ...... Along with firepower.

[@lancer737]

The original Wildcat didn't do that great against Zeros, USN pilots had to rely on group maneuvers to beat zeros in the beginning.

[@GaoDaHoi]

@@lancer737 My bad... Wrong Cat..... I was refering to the Hellcat.

[@andyb1653]

@@GaoDaHoi Indeed, quite true. I'd say the F4-U is a little more like an A-Wing though, in that it took the techs a little while to make it work properly. Either way, I wasn't trying to place the X-wing at some specific spot in fighter plane evolution, I just meant the X-wing feels to me like a combination of a tough fighter plane and a musclecar.

[@republiccommando6104]

If they built more TIE Interceptors and Defenders the Empire could've won more battles. But alas, the cost for the latter was too much when the Empire could easily mass produce it.

[@TheRezro]

It wasn't about costs. Defender was designed for Thrawn specifically. It wasn't standard design similar to TIE-Droids.

[@andyb1653]

@@TheRezro Cost was a factor too. A regular TIE is less than 70K credits, Defenders went for over 350K IIRC.

[@TheRezro]

@@andyb1653 Regular TIE die so fast that whole tactic become needlessly costly quite fast. Especially as you not account pilot training.

[@Dj4Life777]

Fairly certain I’ve heard it in cannon material sienar pronounced as sy-nar.

[@sagedark]

Great video as always Alan!

[@icel8828]

Dude looks more like a Jedi with every video

[@michaeljtownsend123]

Seeing as a handful of tie fighters decimated 2 squadrons of x wing and y wings at yavin, I'd say the ties gave a good account of themselves. It was only the random intervention of a drug smuggler that saved Luke's arsd.

[@justindunlap1235]

Never underestimate a scoundrel.

[@ozzymandius666]

It would be nice to see a breakdown of the small arms manufacturers (blasters, lightsabres, small missile systems, combat droids, etc) and their relationships with various regimes and peoples.

[@EloquentTroll]

If memory serves lighsabers are all custom made by force sensitives, unless the mouse changed it.

[@ozzymandius666]

@@EloquentTroll I see. The mouse would no doubt prefer they were re-purposed...personal massage units.

[@johngervais230]

To go super, SUPER off topic, I just noticed something about Ahsoka's big fucking oof in the battle over Ryloth. When she defied orders and lost most of her squadron, she landed last. Under heavy fire, she was careful to make sure that her surviving pilots got in safely, under her cover. That frankly makes the whole thing alot more tragic, and Ahsoka alot cooler. She may have lost most of her squadron to her own ineptitude, but she wouldn't loose what few pilots she had left, even if it left her less protected. She took her losses VERY seriously, and was willing to risk her life to keep her troops alive. There are ALOT of much older Jedi you can't say that about.

[@cukooman7]

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[@user_of_the_force_15.74]

You forgot the VS in SIENAR VS INCOM

[@jackfriend5060]

Holy crap this is the earliest I have ever seen one of your videos

[@abaronofchivalry5176]

"Fleets are only something richer planets can afford" **Shows Kuat, arguably one of the most successful planets in the galaxy**

[@cryptosporidium1375]

Do Phlut Mechanicals vs Baktoid Automata.

[@bobsterclause342]

that is a different point than people typically make Most only focus on high quality fighters vs low quality but high quantity. But putting the resources into capital ships and having the fighters serve less of a role is a completely different dynamic. It's the difference between having bombers take down the enemy capital ships and your capital ships haveing an advanced sheild that uses less energy and let's the power all go into poerfull guns and blowing up the enemy. Now taking out the sheilds make sence, because they aren't taking out yours without fighters. Oh yeah, the enemy can't make good fighters. At the time, the ties were the best fighters.

[@darthdrake3095]

I too use a brown bathrobe as a jedi robe

[@willphillips2522]

I just realized why is the arms dealer in TLJ selling both Incom and Sienar ships?

[@andromedagalaxynebula5751]

It's like real life arms dealer on earth. They don't want one side to one. They sell to both sides of an armed conflict. The don't want the war to end. As long as there is war there is a demand. They can profit.

[@willphillips2522]

Andromeda Galaxy Nebula yeah but wouldn’t both sides buy directly from Incom and Sienar? Unless arms dealers are out there buying all the ships and scalping them, or this arms dealer leads a double life and works directly for both Incom and Sienar, it just feels like it wasn’t thought through in the context of the greater Star Wars universe.

[@andromedagalaxynebula5751]

@@willphillips2522 I'm sure these corporations can't do business directly with the Empire or Rebellion so they have middlemen or front companies. I thought the same company manufactured both the the Tie fighter line and the X wing line in TLJ

[@ANonymous-bh1un]

For a future video, I'd like to see one on the Nubian Design Collective. I find the "Naboo starship" designs - derived from the Nubian Design Collective - interesting, especially the "J-type Star Skiff". Yet there's very little in-depth information about them on youtube (both the company and the ships themselves (other than the big chromed yacht in Phantom Menace).

[@Manso23]

Would love to see more things like this!!

[@Frizzleman]

This is a great video. I looove looking at Star Wars as if it were real history so keep it up!

[@Tony-rn5fm]

except for those 1st order bikes with the wide treads

[@Hyren_Seris2014]

Of course the starfighter made by Trandoshans would be called the "Headhunter"... way to fight those stereotypes!

[@peterq1978]

best of luck to us all, during this time

[@ruzho8899]

Which time? Some of us come from different eras.

[@gameboi360]

Here's a question thats always bugged me but "Why did Palpatine save Anakin at the end of RoTS?" I always found it oddly uncharacteristic of his character that he essentially saved Vader by the lava. He had basically lost to Kenobi and you'd think that failure would disgust a Sith Lord but instead he kinda showed him compassion in a sense.

[@nonyabuisness6642]

The man spent the whole clone wars trying to get him as an apprentice. What you are saying is the same thing as "I spent 3 years engineering and tuning my car to be a certain speed but it is a little short so I'm just going to give up on it and throw it away"

[@ironfist7789]

He did want to replace him, was disgusted and stuck him in a bad suit as punishment... although my grasp of it is getting fuzzy with the mix of legends, canon, and sequels these days. He probably didn't have time to train someone else right away and was still the best option. He also feared him, so his defeat was sort of a mix of disgust and relief perhaps... he was able to exercise mental and physical control over him in his diminished state. It was also necessary to increase Anakin's anger and loathing.. the darkside is a bit self-defeating

[@livingcorpse5664]

U-Wings are probably my new favorite spacecraft.

[@jonahstirbis3408]

It's a real shame both of these companies joined the first order after the fall of the empire but their battle is pretty amazing !

[@aralornwolf3140]

It's a real shame that everything after Return of the Jedi isn't cannon. :(

[@shouldntreallybehere69]

How much is an equivalent of a dollar to a republic/imperial/new republic credits?

[@shadowstryker640]

Can you do a video on the Sixty-First Mobile Infantry, AKA Twilight Company? It would be a good way to showcase the Rebel infantry after going in depth about the fighters that they used.

[@Jeremyhughes86]

it's not pronounced Seenar it's pronounced Sighnar...like a sine wave. it's so cringy when you people say Sienar wrong.

[@seanmcgrath3826]

It is cringy, IMO, but this channel is so good I can let it go TBH. P.S. I think Allen sometimes does that on purpose to mess with viewers; he seems to have that kind of a sense of humor...

[@Jeremyhughes86]

@@seanmcgrath3826 I would suspect you're correct...but sometimes some also simply don't know, and with as good as the content is, I want them to know, if it's not intentionally done. looking out for a channel whose vids I watch on a reg, specifically Allen's videos.

[@nuclearjanitors]

Do they ever mention the pronunciation in any of the media? Like at all?

[@Jeremyhughes86]

@@nuclearjanitors games and the like. such as the Rogue Squadron series. RS2 had an audio description to go with the text on each craft, and each game had at least one unlockable TIE.

[@nuclearjanitors]

@@Jeremyhughes86 in the original 64 release?

[@michaelgodbee122]

Hit an run tactics work with small navy

[@pyeitme508]

What about those 2 companies vs the American arms manufacturers? Such as Boeing, Lockherd Martin, Northrop Grumman, General Dynamics, etc? Also Boeing showed off 2 full size X-wing drones for the Resistance back at last year December in Disney World.

[@lancer737]

Those America companies would get steam rolled as they have never built anything as advanced or in the same numbers as X-Wings or the various TIEs.

[@pyeitme508]

@@lancer737 ok... Yet I am pretty sure Sienar and Incom be jealous that the American companies can make amazing atmospheric fighter jets while not having shields can "snipe" enemy aircraft from dozens of km away! Lol

[@lancer737]

@@pyeitme508 The ECM on SW fighters is so powerful that the targeting systems on modern fighters would be as useful as an iron sight in ww1 aircraft.

[@schiefer1103]

Ahem... @9:32 you actually said "Dropshits" LOL

[@battlefieldcustoms873]

I always explain the dogfighting in space because the ships are not 100% “spaceships” they are also planetary fighters like ours on Earth. The tech put into these fighters basically said “ok they need to fight on planets and be able to engages close and also in space? shit I hope they dont mind Close quarters in space too shits gonna be wild”

[@ENCHANTMEN_]

If you have to design your starfighters to prevent your pilots from defecting, you may want to reconsider if you're the good guys or not

[@squidburgeryt4742]

Who would win the Yuzang van or the rakotan infinite empire

[@ThePalaeontologist]

If I were to hazard a guess, I think that it would come down to _how long the Rakatan Infinite Empire can keep the Starforge operational_ and if they hide it well, they could pump out fleet after fleet after fleet. Assuming they can maintain their own population levels sufficient to actually man those ships properly (though they could rely on skeleton crews and their ancient droids to make do if their species numbers start to thin out in the huge scale of the war) Strategically speaking, the sheer overwhelming numbers of the Vong will overrun vast swathes of the Outer Rim. It must be remembered that when the Vong attacked the New Republic and Imperial Remnant, technology was far more derived and commonplace on far more inhabited worlds. The more systems the Vong have to fight over to capture, inevitably the higher their attrition rates in warfare will become. For this reason, in spite of inflicting absolutely grotesque casualties on the galaxy at large (over 365 _trillion_ beings, mostly civilians but also soldiers of course, died in the conflict they caused), they themselves were sustaining massive losses the closer they got to Coruscant. Every stride forward they took to the core, the more they lost. The Battle of Coruscant itself essentially broke the back of the Vong strategically (the war was far from over, but their losses had been so heavy that it kind of hampered them and weakened their strategic viability on the galactic stage - it was too dearly bought) I am explaining this because we have to recontextualise the conflict in a setting thousands of years earlier, when the Rakatan Infinite Empire was in tenure as the dominant power in the galaxy. However, do remember that the galaxy _back then_ was *far less explored* with far fewer colonised worlds - many of those discovered and colonised, being up and down ancient hyperspace lanes e.g. the Hydian Way and Parlemmian Trade Route. Essentially speaking, there were about 500 major planets in the heart of the galaxy with, as far as I can remember, major development. That said, the Rakatans could certainly travel around a lot more planets that this. Thousands, of course. Nevertheless, the point I'm making is that strategically speaking, the Rakatans would be present on far fewer worlds than say, the New Republicans and Imperial Remnants would be many thousands of years later. The galaxy was just, more primitive in general, even if the Rakatans technically had some technological feats (some, blatantly stolen from the Kwaa they overthrew) which was far ahead of it's time. The Starforge, while very impressive, essentially just siphons elements for material construction, out of stars. They feed on the stars and would need to move on if you think about it, eventually. Some Rakatan tech was well ahead of it's time - and yet, on the other hand, some Rakatans just swung metal blades and spears around. They'd be pretty evenly matched in melee with the Vong, I reckon, yet at range the Vong might begin to win through, due to superior and overwhelming numbers at particular points of contact/i.e. where the spearheads of the Vong invasion forces apply massive numerical pressure to a specific point. Overwhelming numbers, with high quality combat infantry and swarms of fighters. They are hard to stop. Rakatan force powered technology might also be of little concern to the Vong, as they are unholy monsters that aren't connected to the Force anyway, extragalactic. It is a problem the Jedi discovered when dealing with them in combat. Force powers aren't directly very effective against them (though I suppose a Jedi could pick up a boulder with the force and drop it on a Vong warrior lol indirect use of force powers to cause fatalities etc) In conclusion, I think that the *decisive factor* would be the Starforge/or perhaps the Rakatans would realise that this is what they were relying on to stay in the fight as their losses mounted, and they began to need new fleets, and fast. I can imagine the Rakatans being pretty arrogant about the Vong, and the Vong in turn would despise the Rakatans - however, the Vong would not just be fighting the Rakatan species. They'd be running into *all* of the species in the galaxy (whether independent of the Rakatans or their slaves at that time) e.g. many humans were slaves of the Rakatans at this time, yet I think that they'd be used as slave soldiers. During the US Civil War, even the Confederates decided to arm Black soldiers to fight the increasingly victorious Union armies (itself, forming regiments of black soldiers, some of whom being former slaves) This shows the sheer desperation of a faction that, previously, had been resentful of even thinking of arming it's slaves, because the slavers/plantation owners were scared of "putting a gun in their hands". Of course, that American history based example, is not entirely comparable to the Rakatans, yet it illustrates a point - the Rakatans would use slave armies of humans and other humanoids, hurling them with basic weaponry at the Vong if it slowed them down for an extra day or two. The evil Rakatans wouldn't care would they? If they were getting depleted enough numerically themselves, they'd do it. They'd probably bolster crew numbers on the Rakatan warships, and be used as slave crews and marines to defend the ship against the inevitable Vong boarders. The Rakatans would concentrate most of their strategic efforts in deflecting the Vong from their sacred homeworld, *Lehon* sometimes called Rakata/Rakata Prime. Depending on where the Vong appeared in the galaxy (at which point in the vastness of the broad Outer Rim) first, well that could turn out in many different ways. If the Vong appeared on the exact diametric opposite end of the galaxy from Lehon, then the Rakatans would obviously have more time to retaliate and prepare the defences of Lehon and all worlds they were dominant on, in between it and the invasion point) If the Vong (in their trillions) smash into the Outer Rim close to Lehon, itself in the Outer Rim, then what would probably happen is a sort of panicked response by the angry Rakatans, surging their reinforcements around the salient the Vong would inevitably punch in the galaxy. They'd fail in stopping the Vong in these actions, simply being overrun by the overwhelming Vong numbers on each battlefield. Shifting their strategy, realising their peril and the brutality of the Vong (which actually matched their own brutality in many regards - the Rakatan massacred, enslaved, tortured and even _ate_ their enemies; the Vong mostly just slaughtered and executed theirs, with outright bloodlust, rarely ever taking prisoners) Ramping up their aggressive retaliations, and more than happy to be absolutely merciless to the Vong, the Rakatans would begin to fight back very seriously. They'd be hurling their massed slave armies into the frontlines while using their own elite Rakatan forces to counterattack on the flanks of the Vong salients. If the Vong really find out about why the Rakatans seem to have endless fleets coming from a particular sector of the Outer Rim, their military juggernaut will haul itself towards that problem, and drive towards Lehon (if/when they learn about the Starforge there) Now, it wouldn't surprise me if the Rakatans sent forces out to defend new construction sites in the Outer Rim, to build *new Starforges* as we only ever saw one. I think they could try and build at least two or three more. How long they'd need to do it, however, I don't know. Their rudimentary looking yet surprisingly powerful droids, would be important in fighting back the Vong, as their own losses would hit the billions fast. They'd still have billions more of their own species in reserve, yet the anxiety would grow as entire Rakatan colony worlds would vanish off the face of the galaxy. Once the Vong zone in on Lehon and the Starforge, it all depends on the timing at that point; and the attrition rates. If the Vong have trillions of warriors left, they'll still probably win just because of overwhelming numbers. If they really needed to, they could crash one of their world ships or multiple dovin basal ships into the Starforge to literally either destroy it outright or ram it into the star of Lehon if that failed. The sacrifice would be deemed numerically acceptable to the Vong. Otherwise, they could just absolutely swarm the place with billions of coralskippers and over biological spacecraft. For the Rakatans, the Vong assault on Lehon/Rakata Prime would be their equivalent to the Battle of Coruscant. It would draw in all the available strength of the Rakatan Infinite Empire and they'd hurl all their might at the Vong in a brutal space and land battle. Holding their own for days, if not weeks, they might slowly begin to have to pull out of Lehon after sustaining catastrophic losses. The Vong might even prefer to try and slam asteroids or their own world ships into Lehon itself, in kamikaze style attacks. Were the Rakatans to fail to hold the Vong at their homeworld, it would likely be all over strategically speaking after that point. They _could_ defeat an invasion, at appalling cost, but once it was a known target and entity, the Vong would keep coming back - and if they'd established themselves with their terraforming on already-conquered-worlds, the Vong would perhaps begin to replace their own losses slowly, settling into worlds and reproducing for the first time. Depending on how long the war lasted (potentially decades) that might bare fruit for them. But the chances are, the war would be shorter and sharper, with massively gruesome battles in the short term, within a decade. If the Vong overrun Lehon, they might be able to root out the Rakatans (whom also liked to terraform worlds) in a bloody campaign of outright genocide (just like they tried with the New Republic, Jedi and Imperial Remnant in the legends material) [1/2]

[@ThePalaeontologist]

[2/2] If the Vong pushed the Rakatans into the Mid Rim, and then the Core Worlds, the war would drag out as the Rakatans tried to maintain their hyperspace lanes. However, as I have stated, if the Starforge is reproduced then things might change dramatically. The Starforges would crank out droid armies to supplement the Rakatan's dwindling numbers (and the falling numbers of their slave units) to keep the ships in operation (which the Starforges would also produce) The war would, as with most comparisons involving the numerically insane Yuuzhaan Vong, turn into an attrition warfare nightmare. Number crunching, battles of annihilation - all or nothing misery over and over and over again. Even the ''winner'' would be so exhausted and bloodied, that it'd be a hollow victory, perhaps. *Final conclusions* - if the Vong win? Then that is the end of the galaxy as we know it. - if the Rakatans win? Then they'd perhaps be weak even for an armed slave uprising to overthrow them once and for all (though, if the Starforge/multiple Starforges survived up until that point, then that uprising would probably fail badly) It's like the Nazis VS Communists; whoever wins _nobody does_

[@skvltdmedia]

I believe season 2 of Moonlight Mile shows EXACTLY what proper space fighter could do and that it is indeed damn-near impossible for a living thing to pilot one effectively with out current tech.

[@JoshuaJDarcy]

Excellent topic 👍 Exceptional presentation 👏

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

I got an idea for the future design why not make it more streamline like the engine intake is like that of a modern fighter jet not a airbus or being passenger plane and the wing swept forward like the Russian su-47

[@jordanpoole7187]

Who do you rank as the top 10 pilots in the Star Wars series?

[@juliandravk1747]

Please cover Czerka Corp

[@declanhandley-byrne4335]

9:28 Did he just say "dropshits"?

[@christophercao7027]

I've been looking for this.

[@ryankelly3721]

Can you do a video on sicknesses and viruses in the starwars galaxy?!

[@ryankelly3721]

Joshua Sharwood thank you!

[@George040270]

Construct Rebellion ships with Star Fleet technology, i. e. phasers instead of blasters. Warp engines instead of hyperdrives that only had one setting.

[@tedcohen9805]

9:34 “drop shits”

[@medyflorestal6157]

Nice video.

[@Torbert_]

9:32 "dropshits"

[@JohnSmith-lw2bm]

You sound like the Kelly McGillis character from the movie Top Gun.

[@3Rayfire]

Charlie.

[@kellscorner1130]

S-I-nar..... Hard "I" not "E". the way you pronounce it makes it sound like a special education program.

[@smokestack3327]

Kell's Corner this sounds like Dolphin propaganda to try and take down the Freedom of speech afforded to us by the New Republic doctrines

[@ruzho8899]

Get with the program, he mispronounces EVERYTHING.

[@drewyourhostwiththeghost]

How about the corporations that build droids? I don't understand just how old the R2 series is. What about the DUM series? what is the life expectancy of certain droids and how the builders put in planned obsolescence?

[@falloutreaper5764]

Can you do a video about the bad batches armor and knifes they use?

[@justisaiah204]

Do you ever take that tree down?

[@anthonydivon5571]

Did you say Krupps the same Krupps as in the German manufacturer Thyssen Krupp?

[@truthmattison7106]

Can you do a video on strategic bombing in the star wars universe?

[@truthmattison7106]

@Joshua Sharwood but not everybody has super weapons like the death star or tarkin, the empire was special in that regard. And what if your specificly targeting their industry and not the whole planet?

[@501ststormtrooper9]

@@truthmattison7106 Then use 0.000000000000004th of the superlaser’s power.

[@Makem12]

I'd like an in-depth guide to the INCOM corporation

[@CC-8891]

I still think the republics main starfighter should have been the A-wing. Small, fast, powerful.

[@MarcesAurelius]

“arc 170 too heavy” - question, is the anti-inertia tech not able to make this of no consequence or only greatly reduce effective mass?

[@Lightwolf_VR]

Remember, we're sci-fantasy here. Inertial compensators can prevent mass from feeling the effects of acceleration but not cancel it out.

[@nonyabuisness6642]

There is also the fact that they mainly just use the engines on the back. The fact that all the force that pushes it forward and makes turns comes from one point on the edge of the ship is going to greatly exaggerate the effect that little bit of extra mass gives

[@MarcesAurelius]

Gregory Twombly I do and thank you for the answer

[@MarcesAurelius]

Samu nonyabuisness I see, some inertia, leverage and extreme maneuvers

[@ryderlahr1372]

nice skate board