Sifu's Fall Update... it kinda sucks.

[@underthemayo]

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[@passiveaggresso8817]

If you ever get the chance please respond. Have you ever played Knack? If not I highly recommend you should. I have a feeling you’ll enjoy both games knack 1 and 2.

[@underthemayo]

@@passiveaggresso8817 I haven't. Not sure what they are.

[@passiveaggresso8817]

@@underthemayo Knack 1 and 2 are both linear adventure beat-‘em up games. Both Knack games have a camera angle that shows almost the entire battlefield. The camera itself moves on its own and often switches between completely different angles when entering a new room just like the old god of wars games and the old RE trilogy. Both games also have platforms and Yes allows the player to have a dedicated jump button. NTM both knack games have a double jump and a dash maneuver. Knack 1 has many secrets rooms that have chests that can give you permanent upgrades in which you can allow yourself to equipped or unequipped. (Did I also mention that Knack 1 has a combo meter which is beneficial to the player?) Knack 2 plays slightly different from Knack 1 where this time enemies are more dangerous and smarter and requires the player to switch up attacks options. Knack 2 introduces the player to experiment and practice using each new attack Knack learns through out the game where you get to preform devastating combos the take down powerful enemies and bosses. (Did I mention that Knack 2 has quick time events that if you don’t act quick enough you can fuck up just like RE6 and the old god of wars?)

[@passiveaggresso8817]

@@underthemayo both games can be installed in the PS5 and PS4 and before you do consider playing both games. I’m not biased at all and I know that both games do have flaws on thier own.

[@4evermilkman]

The updates are free, and the game is pretty well priced. I've been happy with Sifu since launch

[@kwamihutt853]

no cap

[@RazorPhoenix7]

consoom

[@justjuniorjaw]

better yet, this isn't the last update. We're about to have an Arena update this 23 March.

[@4evermilkman]

@@justjuniorjaw no effing way! I'm excited for that. I'll pick the game back up when it drops

[@grantwilliams2650]

@@RazorPhoenix7?

[@l.o.ladams470]

Can't wait for winter update 2023: enemies will only look at you, potato difficulty only

[@OperatorMax1993]

Game journalist difficulty

[@LuciferHunter-kt7pm]

Hahaha! This will literally be the funniest comment I will see all week!

[@barnacle1505]

Wow so funny. Truly a genius comment from a *real* gamer. You should be proud of yourself for burning those game journos so thoroughly

[@Wolf-1211]

People do realise you can choose the difficult yourself right? If you think one of the difficulties is too easy say ‘easy mode’ here is a special hint just for you don’t choose that one…

[@Jupa]

I think the modifier/cheat thing was kind of clear didn't take long for me to understand how it worked. anyway, I agree to the sentiment that they aren't making adjustments for new players but I do think they are overworked. not indifferent.

[@underthemayo]

Yeah I was just explaining why I overlooked it.

[@pg5650]

Woah now that's commitment fixing that mistake that fast. Good for you man, great ytber

[@djdeathswish883]

As a new player myself who just bought the game on Christmas and chose disciple on a first play through, while the game did in fact kick my ass, from just practice and experimenting I was able to find little things like how combo chains flow into one another like I can press square, triangle, (delay) triangle and get the roundhouse kick as opposed to how its normally done. Or how command moves can also be flown into combos. I also learned from practice I can parry almost everything but not everything will be deflected unless you do multiple parries in a row (perfect example is Yang). Now I did hear that apparently the game (specifically the club/Sean) was way harder on release so for all I know things could have been different but I must say all in all I genuinely did not get frustrated at this game. Every death felt like an actual learning experience and as I got better I could time my parries and avoids better, read what attack my opponent will do and act based on the combo and choose to avoid or parry, and one of the biggest is knowing that parrying or dodging certain attacks actually causes the enemy to change up there attack pattern. I haven't completed every boss or level without dying yet and I still have trouble on some bosses and enemies but that won't stop me from practicing to get better. Now I'm not saying the tutorial couldn't do a better job at explaining everything the player has the potential to do but at the same time I feel if I as a new player can get by through practice and learning these mechanics on my own then so should other players. Some people just seem to give up so easily but really it does just take time and practice. I mean after all the games whole thing is "mastery through practice" lol

[@nirjhar4803]

When you say not everything will be "deflected", do you mean structure breaks? Cause technically every attack except for grabs can be at least deflected if not parried.

[@CrymeaRiverPortugal]

@@nirjhar4803 fax

[@davitnozadze7291]

Listen even if you can't belive it Mayo there are players who want an easy Mode to just breeze trough the game without engaging in the games deeper mecanics

[@underthemayo]

I've never stated otherwise. I am in support of a mindless easy mode for this. But you've missed the point. Normal mode (due to it's failure to educate new players on the game they're playing) turns out to be way too frustrating of an experience. I've been asking for better player instruction as a way to solve the problems with the Normal mode experience. If they updated the game to better educate players on the game's mechanics, it would make Normal much better time for a new player. And THEN, I would be cool with a mindless easy mode on top of that. Instead, they have done NOTHING to address the problems with the game's presentation on Normal mode. It remains a frustrating obtuse experience for a new player to whom these concepts are alien. And all they did was crap out an easy mode for anyone who might be struggling. It's insulting.

[@davitnozadze7291]

@@underthemayo i see that fair sorry my mistake hope i didn't offend you or anyone else for that matter

[@underthemayo]

@@davitnozadze7291 You didn't. It's fine. It's just a little frustrating that people don't get that that's what I'm saying in my video about easy mode.

[@heisenberg_7265]

@@davitnozadze7291 someone who realises his mistake and say sorry in the internet? you have my respect

[@davitnozadze7291]

@@heisenberg_7265 maybe it was just the way Mayo presented his points that Confused me but i'm not a Person who throws a Tantrum because he doesn't realise that he is objectively wrong because that is stupid, wastes everybodys time and shows that you are a contrarian

[@AngerRanger]

I tested to see if the student only modifiers are indeed student difficulty only but I found that it works regardless of difficulty that its set to.

[@antont4974]

What's the incentive for them to keep working on this game? Passion? Maybe that's why you can't really expect these updates to not be random?

[@Evanz111]

Post-launch support goes a long way in both encouraging a loyal audience who will buy into your future games, but also getting audiences talking and having more customers potentially buy the game after hearing about it.

[@toptier2800]

Then why even update and pretend to care lol

[@4evermilkman]

@@Evanz111 that's the problem, this game isnt meant for anyone. It's a niche game in a niche genre. It was designed for a small playerbase from the start. People who like hard games and fighting games

[@PoopaPapaPalpatine]

"At this point, I think they just don't care." I mean, to be fair, the devs are French.

[@barichello_]

what do you mean with 'fall' update? there's more than one hemisphere in the world you know...

[@underthemayo]

Well they called their own updates "summer" "fall" "winter"... you want me to change their own terminology?

[@barichello_]

@@underthemayo yea i dont get why studios do that when they are clearly releasing a global product lol

[@4evermilkman]

I think I that this game did just fine teaching its mechanics. There are also menus, like in most fighting games, that have the move sets. You are acting like the average gamer is stupid. This game is hard and it's also a fighting game. That's simply not for most gamers. Many people will try it, say nah, not for me, and move on. I dont think it's a difficultly issue. If you look on ps4 trophies, most games lose half thier playerbase after the tutorial mission

[@jasperhorne]

Appreciate you willing to update and reupload the video even if it was just a single point about the throwing challenge. As a UI designer, seeing the heading and challenge descriptions as "modifiers" but some of them are actually "cheats" is bad design. You don't expect a basket of apples to also have pears or oranges. They should've definitely named the tab "Modifiers/Cheats", move all cheats at the very bottom with a put a horizontal divider to separate them from the modifiers and changed the wording of the challenges to explicitly say whether its modifiers allowed or cheats allowed.

[@name-UCTxndpNTXflYzsx-wX7GJEg]

Why having a basket with apples and pears separated by divider if you can have two baskets with clear labels? Devs should make two separate tabs

[@jasperhorne]

@@name-UCTxndpNTXflYzsx-wX7GJEg I agree, but devs would've done that already if they wanted to split them up. It seems they want all of them in one tab and so adding a divider to separate modifiers and cheats would be a decent compromise

[@YEY0806]

​@Jasper Horne, it probably had to do with language issues considering the team isn't English as evidenced with specific wording of the challenges

[@MrKn0ts]

Sifu released in a finished, polished state way better than most triple A titles. Then they supplement your purchase by adding free updates to continue supporting their game. This video is so whiney and smug. None of the concerns you voiced come close to "ruining the game." Souls games tell you absolutely nothing and people still manage to figure that stuff out. It's almost like you learn you can parry by... *trying to parry.* If you look at Sifu and don't immediately assume "this game obviously has a parry system" then idk how to help you. "Uggghh this game would be so good if only they flashed "press x to parry" every 30 seconds!!" Git gud

[@WhenDevilsDuel]

Thats not even a point in the video. Stop projecting lol.

[@teamextreme334]

I want new martial arts styles, like give me a couple to pick from.

[@guybrushthreepwood8174]

This just came to gamepass. Its Great. glad i waited.

[@ChillyUK77]

Realistically what percentage of players are going to stick with a game past the second stage if it's punishing? (at release this was the case with SIFU since there was no easy mode etc) I mean Cuphead is a fairly simple game, point n shoot, avoid projectiles/enemies and work in the slaps best you can, theres more to it at high level play like most games but thats the gist. Most players understand how to play the game perfectly well, the challenge being executing that knowledge and failure is pretty punishing. Theres no way to fully bypass the challenge so all in all, structurally very similar to SIFU at release. Cuphead has lower percentage completion than SIFU, not just in absolute completion but in each comparable stage. Not a strictly fair comparison I know since SIFU has now added in very easy ways to complete it but I doubt theres been a huge surge in new players since release, the bump in completion percentage is probably fairly small. I mean Resi4, 45% drop off at the village chief boss fight. Things can get wacky when looking into completion stats as a symptom for how the game is designed. I'm not even sure how much it matters, Resi4 is amazing no matter how many 'get it'. Not saying you can't criticise how a game communicates it's mechanics but when it comes to completion statistics I think mindset and easy modes etc, play by far the biggest role.

[@WhenDevilsDuel]

Bro said cuphead is structurally similar... Where'd you go to school to learn to be a clown?

[@ethanspicer3471]

I’ll have to disagree with your sentiments from the previous video and this video in the effect that the developers are ruining the game and or not addressing needed issues. The game was released polished and complete the rest of this content is supplementary. To that effect it’s not that your complaints aren’t valid they’re just less urgent when you consider where the game is right now. Many of your complaints focus on things you want for the game or perceive other players want. Is the easy mode bad to a degree yes, but the developers are aiming to make a flexible difficulty experience and there’s nothing wrong with that. If a person never learns anything playing the game and they’re satisfied that’s fine and vice versa. That’s why the cheats and modifiers focus making the game easier or harder. It’s about playing choice and for me personally I liked discovering the mechanic myself then having a pop up or the game hold my hand. Could the challengers be better I agree but I find the criticism on Sloclap’s updates not only harsh but inflammatory because at the end of the day we have free updates, that increase replayability of a game that could’ve been one and done or had the life cycle of their previous title absolver whose updates were actually breaking the game. I know these criticism are because you enjoy the game and see it’s potential but don’t use a platform of criticism to assume the feelings of developers or attack them. Use your platform responsibly

[@ianvega9433]

Kinda the point aint it. Like many tough indie games its about learning from death over and over. They wanna feel like they are master and deserve master difficulty. This game is nothing like souls games but people love those and its so hard and so many things at once. But u die (a 100 times) and learn. Getting good aint a diss. Everyone can "get good"

[@underthemayo]

Everything I asked for and more was added to the game in the February update.

[@MonsieurEldritch]

Is that the drive 2011 jacket in the thumbnail?

[@liittlemac]

they put the drive jacket in so i'll take it

[@GrownManPat]

"..explode into confetti..." Sounds familiar 🤔 lol

[@the-sz8sq]

Why do you want this game to handhold so much

[@underthemayo]

Asking for the ability to activate specific practice exercises in the PRACTICE ROOM, to practice the very mechanics the game told you about in the opening tutorial, is not hand holding. Neither is asking for in game challenges to revolve around the mastery of important mechanics and scores.

[@the-sz8sq]

@@underthemayo If you don't want these things for handholding/guiding then why do you want them and why do you see not having them as being a problem?

[@underthemayo]

@@the-sz8sq you're using an incredibly dismissive and patronizing word by saying "hand holding". Simply giving players a way to practice important mechanics they may not have learned due to the opening tutorial being rushed, is not hand holding. If just simply communicating important mechanics to a player is hand holding, then so is the opening tutorial section. "Press r1 to parrry" in the opening 30 seconds is apparently hand holding to you. No, hand holding would be constantly flashing a mechanic on screen while you're playing and having characters yelling at you while you fight like in god of war ragnarok.

[@the-sz8sq]

@@underthemayo I don't see the tutorial as hand holding because it's teaching you the controls but I do see anything beyond that as hand holding. I'm not saying all hand holding is bad but I am saying it's not a problem if the game doesn't have it. People can learn the deeper mechanics of the game without any guidance from it.

[@DustyPorterhouse]

Background music from the Batman NES game. Love it!

[@Jackfromshack]

Man of culture

[@BoshBargnani]

"communication important mechanics on the first playthrough" you say this a lot, especially in the easy mode video, but I feel like the game communicates it fine in the first stage as long as you dont take the shortcut. Its all there.

[@underthemayo]

It doesn't. It throws 10 mechanics at you in 5 minutes, some of them aliens concepts to people with awkward inputs with no in game reminds or refresh of mechanics in practice mode. And then you can beat the first level having learned nothing while you still don't understand the aging system yet.

[@MrKn0ts]

​@@underthemayo git gud, holy shit

[@underthemayo]

@@MrKn0ts I'm plenty good. No one not good can beat master mode. My concerns for sifu are how it deals with new players. Not me.

[@MrKn0ts]

@@underthemayo my advice for them is to git gud

[@Zephyrbal]

Something I Can Never Have (Still)

[@TheJadedJames]

In my opinion ALL this game really needed was a more robust training level between the intro and the Squats. The game just needed one non-punishing training level that nevertheless still forced you understand the mechanics ... because you ultimately just won't enjoy this game until you have basic hold on the controls

[@branescan]

There's a training mode in the hideout and you can customize which enemy type you want to practice with and if they attack you or not. What more do you need.

[@buckyhurdle4776]

If you're used to melee action games, theres really no excuse to not beat the squats. You might be 50, 60 on your first shot. A casual gamer I could see them getting stuck on Jafar, maybe, but duck spamming will still save you and if you find the weapons in his arena its game over. The game only has 5 levels that are meant to be replayed and memorized, thats where the content is. If it were easy on the first go there would be no incentive to get better

[@branescan]

Nah the Replay editor and the new outfits are fire, you're bugging

[@ghost-fj3xv]

what version is it?

[@GAZ__1995]

I make all the goals but i can't buy all the modifies, is this normal?? 🙁

[@VA_Kushiel_AV]

It genuinely doesn’t matter how much the game holds the hands of new players to teach them things. If they’re interesting in learning they’ll figure it out for themselves and be happier for it instead of just learning from the game blatantly telling them.

[@underthemayo]

The game ALREADY blatantly tells you, so I guess you have a problem with the opening tutorial section? All I'm asking for is maybe some reminders of these mechanics in loading screens, since they're alien to some people. And a way to practice specific mechanics in the practice room. Oh it's so unreasonable!

[@VA_Kushiel_AV]

@@underthemayo lol you’re the one with the problem. You’re the one with the video. The point that I maid is that it doesn’t matter how much it holds your hand. If a player wants to learn they’ll figure it out, or they won’t.

[@tristanhunt203]

Still is such a dope Nine Inch Nails album

[@sk8ermGs]

Has anyone had the issue of not getting the reward tokens for completing the goals ?

[@justas]

Good vid 🙂👍

[@underthemayo]

Surrrrrrrrrre.... But still, I enjoyed the talk in the server. Still my game of the year.

[@justas]

@@underthemayo likewise

[@urasenseii]

We need a co-op for sifu, even though I patched this idea to them months ago I hope they fall through with it.

[@sogondesnuts780]

They won’t

[@WamboWomboWompo]

Who do u think u are bro 😂 are u revered in the gaming industry ?? Why would they listen to some random person

[@kolysion164]

we just need ARENA with endless AGRESSIVE AI, the AI is so noob, they attack one by one

[@rogueraccoon1840]

@@kolysion164 I can tell you haven't played the game on hard mode or disciple cause they literally do attack together and I can say that from experience cause they can gang up on you at anytime and I've gotten my assed kicked by that multiple times but that let's you know that keeping them spaced is important so they don't gang up on you

[@chandlerh2408]

​​@@WamboWomboWompo Seriously Like he showed to their office with a presentation lol

[@johnstevenson1861]

This game created frustrations. At first it had a good plot and gameplay. That is until challenges were introduced. The x3 combo is my personal frustration. Unable to reach its maximum score in the chapters. A reason why I gave up on the game. Thanks to anyone who reads this.

[@andrewvasquez1960]

I got the switch version, I haven't seen this update

[@5izzy557]

We all make mistakes, more importantly, do we correct them? And you have. I agree, the terminology used is confusing at a glance. Thanks for the updated video.

[@gianmarcofogu7732]

I'm the only one who's not getting any fucking point by completing the old challenges after the update? (Playing on ps4).

[@tango072013]

As dope as this game was, they really dropped the ball with the DLC. Me and my friends wanted to jump back in this game sooo bad, but they haven't added anything that makes us excited. We need new levels/new bosses! Keep the hype alive! It can even come with a price tag and people will buy it. Sifu has proven itself to be an awesome game. It seems like they are just throwing in little things here and there for a game that kinda doesn't need any of those things to begin with.

[@toren2099]

So u hate it because they put a easy mode in it

[@blkhoodi]

Get absolver way better plus online play with a great community

[@bababoeeydestroyer]

you really don't need throws for the game to be enjoyable sure does it help making your combo longer: yeah kinda if you know what you're doing but it doesn't just make the game a cakewalk when you get it

[@WattoW]

yeah, new update doesn't have bobble head modifier. Game is ass

[@gusvaughn7666]

Why does this game not have nunchuks?! I got it yesterday just KNOWING it had them lol. I was quite disappointed when I learned that it only has staffs ball bats and knives and bottles 😓

[@joeyoutube3961]

bro it’s literally free updates to a game that was already well received… stop whining so much

[@ramonalerkinomasturbio40]

true

[@ResidentNotEvil5]

The game itself is average double dragon nes plays way better

[@TheRealOAFs]

Should be co op by now

[@jeanpierremunarschutz9240]

I have to say...they shoud a million percent add more bosses...the game is wayy to quik..legit thats somthing that throws me off.

[@ramimosees1082]

Mayo play bloons td6

[@dankforest]

I really want to buy this game. But with my backlog and the fact im poor. Ill wait till they fix and make this a complete experience before buying

[@MrKn0ts]

This vid is trash. Sifu released in a finished and polished state.

[@kurodo9926]

Eh, sloclap had a tendency to not listen and have problems with updates since absolver. Imho they should just hurry and create new game rather than update the one they don't really try to improve

[@BaxBoogey22]

Sifu would be so much better if the combat was more like GOW Ragnarok.

[@kwsssssssssss]

Yeah no mate. I dont want another game where i fight two enemies at a time aaaall the fucking time. Get the fuck out with that interactive movie bullshit and dont come back.

[@managementok265]

braindead take

[@mauriciohiure2192]

lol

[@branescan]

Hell no dude wtf

[@BigxBlack5]

Absolutely not. But if you wanted, you can change the attack controls to R1 and R2.

[@SinclairSan]

so you bots are mad that youre bots. ok lmao