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[@Hoplopfheil]

I finally got my hands on the original and best model of the P320: the P250.

[@Osprey1994]

Sweet, they are pretty cool.

[@Rangeofranges]

The video I’ve been waiting for

[@joshuabracke5775]

My dad owns a 250, I've shot it a bunch, and I agree - the 250 is the best 320 model. Even still I find the 250 has a flaw in its design - the non replaceable ejector, if you slam non flush magazines without basepads when doing SLRs, you can bend or break that ejector. Every non Glock pattern handgun shares that same trait but alteast with those others you can change ejectors. Sig went the douchey route and makes you replace the FCU. And good luck finding a replacement FCU for the 250, it being discontinued and all

[@andyhenderson441]

Let's see the video!

[@brickbeefchest5606]

Now there's a gun Sig could afford to rerelease. Not sure who the new production retro 226 is meant to appeal to.

[@SinistralRifleman]

I said this last year when the p365 Macro came out; the 365 will keep getting larger and the 320 will eventually be phased out of commercial sales. The release of the P365 Fuze this week reaffirms where I think Sig is going with their product line.

[@swiftaudi]

I hadn’t thought of that but if you’re right that is just smart on sig’s part. Shay but smart.

[@den_see]

Now im waiting for the p365 to be added to the uspsa and ipsc production list.

[@AlmightyRodga]

It is, the p365 line will replace the 320

[@DanK123]

Nope.

[@Patrick_Bateman____]

Who’s gonna tell GBRS Group?

[@hamibeyblade]

lmfao

[@SOG487]

GBRS=Clowns Hurrr durrr I was an operator so I can't be wrong

[@oreowoho]

They are seals, they are okay to take any malfunctions and explosions

[@mghegotagun]

Decided to look up that channel for context. Typed 'glock' in the search. Nothing but sig videos. Well that told me alot.

[@JaimeCalaf]

😂😂😂

[@jordanwilliams6972]

The trigger redesign was because somehow the engineers didn't know a lesson I was taught my 2nd semester in gunsmithing school. A trigger that is too heavy can overcome the trigger spring under the force of being dropped/struck from behind/limp wristing the slide being racked in my case and in the case of the OG steel trigger mil spec 1911s when the trigger pull weight is reduced via spring manipulation too low. My too low weight was 4.5 pounds on a RIA GI. Sigs trigger redesign was to make the trigger lighter so that they didn't have to make the trigger pull heavy.

[@aussieexpat]

It's not just spring force it has to overcome, but also the momentum of the trigger bar.

[@ProjectD13X]

The way they keep up sizing the 365 makes me think they're just gonna eventually release one that's the same size as the 320 and quietly phase out the 320 from their product line.

[@graydogllc]

I have been thinking the same thing.

[@NEVECcommand]

The “Fuse” P365 was just revealed which is the x-macro grip with a longer slide

[@chrisragone8785]

They want to but the major issue they have is the military contract for the P320. Can’t phase it out completely

[@ProjectD13X]

@@chrisragone8785 Once the 365 takes over on the civilian side I'm sure they can quietly fix whatever bullshit might be left on the 320. Would be cheaper than the military buying a new pistol.

[@jart83]

@@chrisragone8785 so they could keep the m17 and m18 and none of the million other p320 models.

[@uchis2k]

It’s been known that Sig has ‘tested’ their new products on the public for years. They don’t advertise changes/improvements because of litigation such as this. I own an older P229 but won’t ever buy another Sig due to their shady QC testing on the public.

[@FirstLast-ff7qx]

Ive got a newer production m11a1 and its been solid.

[@StopThinkingSmoothie]

This is total fudd 😂 “it’s been known” GTFOH

[@markf5229]

I don't think the P320 is an unsafe gun, but I do think the design is less safe than other designs. A good move on Sig's part would have been to use a typical firing pin safety plunger in the slide like most other pistols (Glock, Beretta, CZ) that requires more movement to release the firing pin and to include a trigger safety. Those changes wouldn't have eliminated every problem, but they would have substantially reduced accidental discharges. The existing firing pin safety is shaped like a half moon and doesn't take much pressure to move. But, I'm no gunsmith or expert. However, the P365 has at least one of these changes and has a far better reputation. It's too bad, because the P320 has a lot of well thought out safety features in its design that aren't broadly discussed. There clearly was a lot of thought put into it during the design process and those are overlooked as a result of these two choices.

[@Jamesfort3520]

Watched the video of Sig Shooting you described. Guy was shooting Steel Challenge and had shot 4 of 5 strings. Prior to 5th string he reloaded and then holstered using a blade-tech holster. Gun went off after holster and shooter had raised his hands to surrender.

[@rogerwood5228]

That guy's story is full of holes, and he's too ashamed to say he shot himself. The photos he provided suggest he shot himself while trying to reholster. The angle of the bullet path doesn't match a holstered gun but one just in front of the holster. To me, it seems he was attempting a no look holstering, missed to the front, pulled the trigger, got it into the holster, and threw up his hands. To me, throwing up his hands was an acknowledgment that he was aware of what happened. A more natural reaction would be one of confusion, hands going out to the side in a defensive manner.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I saw a clip of a female cop in a vehicle going down the road, pulls over. Her duty P320 gun has a discharge 💥 . She jumps out & says: what!!!!

[@themountrushmorestateofmin6307]

The ship has sailed! Everyone hates the way Sig handled the 320 debacle. They basically just claimed everyone was stupid at best and negligent at worst.

[@rogerwood5228]

@@themountrushmorestateofmin6307 that's usually the case though

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

The FoP rep for all of WI told the sworn, retired members DO NOT buy, carry 320s, M17s M18s. 0 🚫 .... Milwaukee WI police got fed up with SIG & the excuses. I own a few M&Ps, Glocks. 1 older 1.0 version PDP 9mm. I read & saw the newer 2.0 PDP is safer, better designed.

[@JA-oo9qp]

Triggershoe was redesigned to be lighter as the old ones would inertia fire when dropped since sig decided a trigger safety would hurt boomer finger pads thus robbing them of that crisp, short and light 1911 like pull.

[@tomsanders6267]

I still say toes are over-rated. I cant even see mine anymore. Match one with a Blackhawk SERPA and watch the sparks fly. "Tongue in cheek obviously". I like mt P365's, never shot a 320 but carried a .45 P220 on the street for many years. Still my bedside gun.

[@unibass]

Well, no matter where the root cause is in the end, the perception is to become to truth. Damage has already been done and sig will pay the price. Lawsuit being the smaller piece of it. Hopefully their next design will regain the trust of customers.

[@mghegotagun]

It'll be absolutely tiny compared to the contracts they'll lose to glock.

[@josh885]

Yeah if your a department or agency of some kind and your choice is Glock which has a saftey and reliability record matched by none or Sig that is of questionable saftey and design, well that's no choice at all is it? Glock got it right the first time so spectacularly that anytime anyone goes with another brand instead it has to be justified and explined with mental gymnastics. As always the sage advice to "just get a Glock and move on to more important things." Is as true today as it was 20 years ago.

[@socmonki]

I don't know all the facts of the case, whether it was a pre-upgrade version, or if it was a holster issue, or whatever. I know I trust my 320s (M18 and an X Carry), and make it a point to check the striker block periodically to make sure the spring is good, etc. You know, normal once over, make sure systems are G2G kind of thing. Not sure many others do it, or write down their round counts and keep track, maybe I'm OCD about it? Either way, watching Sig Mechanics videos, keeping an eye on parts and springs, and general safe handling, I'm good. If it doesn't have the thumb safety (like my X carry) I can see it being not as "safe" as other guns because of the lack of trigger dingus, because it has such short take up on the trigger, and it is a wide trigger (sig flat). Also, tests done on adjustable triggers show you can, if you adjust them too far, disengage the striker safety if you're not careful. So, something to look out for. As for Safariland, Sig said in one instance (that i remember) that it was due to the holster (I think it was the minneapolis police video?). Safariland also put out a statement saying there were issues with the holsters. Personally, I stay away from using light bearing holsters because almost every one I've seen is way too wide to allow the light, and as such has way too much room around the trigger guard. With a tabbed trigger it may not be as big a deal, but for a 320? No way.

[@Baldcurious]

X5 is probably most common CO gun in USPSA , at least in my area. I never even heard about any issues with it around me over the last 5-6 years I've been shooting it . And lot of those guns are modified . So I don't believe there's anything wrong with the gun . We will never know exactly what happened with that case

[@synystur21]

I own an X5, zero issues. Never liked the 320’s, the P226 in my hands is THE most accurate 9mm I’ve ever shot.

[@TerriblyTactical]

The 320 is hot trash and dangerous. Just cuz you haven't had an issue doesn't mean other people haven't.

[@Baldcurious]

@TerriblyTactical not just me , couple thousand of people like me that shoot shit ton of ammo every year and have 0 issues. Interesting that weekend warriors and cops that never shoot their guns have issues. Mayne it's not the gun that's in fault :)

[@thegreenberetlife0191]

@@Baldcuriousyou’re absolutely correct. It is probably the most popular competition gun in the country. I run 3., there are no problems with the gun as it cannot go off without the trigger being pulled…

[@jcnikoley]

The P365 has a secondary notch built into the striker to capture it if it should inadvertently release the striker from the primary sear surfase. This feature is not on the original P320 striker. The inherit flaw in the design is that the striker is held fully cooked, and not cocked by the action of the trigger pull like in a Glock. This is like carrying a 1911 with the hammer back, and no safety other than a firing pin block.

[@socmonki]

Just to add to this comment, any 320 that has had the upgrade, or is built after the redesign, has a secondary striker notch on the sear. I know you said "original sear", but didn't clarify that upgraded and current 320s also have them, along with the 365.

[@jcnikoley]

@@socmonki Whatever change they may have made to the striker, the P320 does not have a secondary striker notch like the P365 striker. You can compare both strikers that are available for purchase from Sig.

[@nysath]

​@@jcnikoley The 320 does have a secondary catch. It's on the sear. But not the striker. It's not exactly like the 365. It does have one though. Gun still goes off on its own anyway

[@vahngeo2260]

​​@@jcnikoley BULLSHIT. The 320 ABSOLUTELY has a secondary sear notch. The 365 does NOT have one and has NEVER had one.

[@gordo3697]

A trigger saftey would be nice touch

[@danieldz7906]

I think we are talking about situation when sheriff was holding suspect. Suspect tried to brake free and kick sheriff in holster. Gun fired. And sig told that gun was not seeded properly in holster....

[@user-rt8ru5hv2f]

Thanks for updates on this. Just wondering what is your ccw?

[@ayoder7246]

The Trigger upgrade/recall was purely for drop safety, simply lowering the mass so that when dropped on the backplate it doesn't pull the trigger. I don't believe it had anything to do with holsters.

[@Antoniotactical]

320s have served me very good still love the platform

[@jsacodes916]

Why is NO ONE giving proper attention to Ben's Wuhan Institute t-shirt!?!?! 😂 Jesus, guys....it's right there.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

They have in the two other videos he posted today. I have no idea what it is

[@QUINTIX256]

@@HWG-wm8ldbe glad you are living under a rock. Useful idiots for corpo bootlickers in congress are wasting time obsessing over it, rather than investigating the actual shady shit both China’s gov and the prior administration were up to.

[@cameronh5442]

I have the 320 with reduced power trigger springs. Wish me luck yall

[@bigcleatus11]

I’m sure sig has fixed whatever issue may have been there. I think the bigger issue is sig using its first series of guns as a beta test of sorts. Just get your product right then roll it out.

[@seanwhite304]

I dont know what to think .

[@Adam-wl3vt]

I know if there’s any lateral pressure on the slide, the trigger won’t reset. Not sure if that’s related.

[@TheLopper]

The air force issued serpas en masse at one point for the berettas. Eventually people started buying their own safariland holsters and the military just moved over to them, but yeah serpas used to be the only thing we got.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I owned a few 2010s era SERPAs. Wore a left hand T series Blackhawk with my Glock 19 gen 3 & used Glock 22 gen 4. My cousin got a T series Blackhawk around 2019. He's cool with it.

[@AyeHarambe]

Good point about the p365. I’ve carried the p320 and p365 and never had a ND

[@HWG-wm8ld]

So your sample of one solves it.

[@AyeHarambe]

@@HWG-wm8ld that’s correct

[@miltonoliver3705]

Best handgun sig makes is the 226 and p365 lines

[@HWG-wm8ld]

That’s it? They make a lot of pistols and only two are worthy? That’s not saying much about sig.

[@everettsnyder1763]

Love the Sig 22x series have carried or been issued those for over 30 years. But to me the ten handle named 320 and 365 variants such MEH! I’ll stick to Glocks or M&Ps for striker fired

[@daviddavis2658]

I specifically bought a 365 with the safety

[@BiblePatriot]

I have three of them and I have shot them quite a bit as well as my m&p 2.0 and I like them both. Never had any issue with it safety wise and I’ve dropped it a few times off the table. Even though I trust it seeing these supposed issues does put it the back of my mind.

[@Natural_XBL]

The ruling basically said that the gun was liable because it did not have a trigger safety like Glock not that it went off by itself. The trigger with no manual safety is extremely light and essentially like carrying a 1911 with no safety

[@_Art.Vandelay]

tbh I think the earlier versions had their design issues and the problems showing up now are largely those older models. However, (imo) the 320 as a platform has kind of hit critical mass with the adoption rate among competitors, professionals, and everyday folks that aren't terminally online. The aftermarket is starting to overtake even the M&P in some areas so It's definitely here to stay. But what do I know? I'm just some guy on the internet.

[@Manteo1984]

My safari land holster broke just holstering and really sucked because it was the only one that fit my baby eagle.

[@ethanmitchell3439]

My 320 lives in my Flux Raider. I have not had any instance of it discharging without the trigger being pulled now or before putting it in the chassis. I don’t know what to make of the situation. I’ve only seen one scenario that I don’t have an explanation for. Every other scenario that I’ve read about or seen footage of seems more likely to be an negligent discharge blamed on the 320s internet reputation. I am not defending SIG, this is just my experience and impression

[@EzGoingKev]

Shenanigans? The place with cheap appetizers and goofy stuff on the walls? From what I understand the P365 and P320 have totally different firing control designs. That is supposedly why we are not hearing about problems with the P365.

[@tylerfrogley1227]

Personally I love my 320s despite the flak, but I totally get why someone wouldn’t carry one. Wonder if m18/m17s have been in any of the cases since they have the safety

[@RobinRobertsesq]

I have a P320RX and my experience is good other than the joys of SIG poor QC. I'm unable to find a description of what the plaintiffs supposedly "proved" the defect was. I have enough knowledge of tort and product liability law to be skeptical until then.

[@steven3379]

It doesn't have a "external manual safety" is what the court decided in part.

[@RobinRobertsesq]

@steven3379 That would make most modern striker pistols "defective".

[@steven3379]

@@RobinRobertsesq Exactly.

[@Philly1958]

There is a reason the industry standard for a striker fired pistol is a trigger blade

[@josh885]

Yep. Everyone is dancing around the truth. Glock got the striker fire pistol right the first time with the three safties and half cock FP. Glock also has a reputation for reliability and safety matched by none. The real solution to this nonsense is to buy a Glock and worry about more important things. Or if you just can't bring yourself to get Glock, get an M&P which also has a decent track record at this point. Forget Sig and their secret product revisions, questionable saftey record and questionable design choices.

[@andyhenderson441]

It's funny that you say glock is the safe alternative when "glock leg" was a thing.

[@josh885]

@andyhenderson441 Typically terrible LEA training has nothing to do with if a gun's design is safe. All Glock leg indicated was how bad the typical leo's gun handling really was at the time when they first started issuing Glocks. There is video of a p320 going off in a holster. Sig even tried to lie and say a TQ was actually the gun partially out of the holster. They know they are guilty. Sig also has done several undocumented design changes to the P320 which is reason enough to not trust the gun or the company. Cope all you want but the facts are the facts.

[@swiftaudi]

Ehh the Arsenal striker one has the superior striker trigger design with no blade.

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

@@andyhenderson441 Glock leg was ALWAYS, and still is, due to ACTUAL negligence. I won't lie that Glocks are statistically less safe than guns with DA/SA, manual safety, hammer fired features that help one holster their gun better. But in the end, the Glock only shoots if you accidentally pull the trigger or something gets snagged in the trigger guard (which would cause any other gun to fire). The P320 has been shooting by itself even by slight sideways pressure on the frame.

[@maybe5883]

I installed after market triggers, with built in safety on my two P320s and my P365. Have my cake and can eat it too.

[@gansior4744]

Trigger is one thing, but how frames cracked in the spot around the FCU cutout. Thats a major weakpoint of the frames

[@joie0]

I’ve only seen the txg grips give out. Definitely not good but, I’m not sure that’s related to the “safety” issue we’re seeing here.

[@cw7631]

How hard would it be to add a trigger dingus and say it is to address customer concerns and add another layer of safety? Probably won’t effect use and would be cheaper than continued law suits.

[@AZCactusTac]

Where do I get that shirt?

[@dennisl4000]

I am not P320 fan, although I do own 2 of them and neither are my EDCs. To my knowledge there has yet to be a case where a P320 negligent discharge has been replicated without the trigger being pulled. While many law suites of this nature are settled out of court, this may preclude all related information being disclosed. However, this seems similar to Toyota's "sudden acceleration" problem that was all over the news. In the end on the back page it was finally stated this never occurred without some secondary cause. There has been a number of engineers and other knowledgeable individuals look at this issue and have yet to produce any findings that point to a flaw in this design. Until I see hard data, the decision of a jury does not prove mechanical failure.

[@jasonpitts8395]

I've seen a lot of them fail. 320 stuff. Their red dots breaking for no reason. Also know a LE Dept that had a Detective with a 320. Gun went off in the holster. This has happened over and over. For that reason alone I would never use one.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Orlando PD issues 320s. 9mm. With the new clam shell clunky SL holster. Orlando.gov . They had a K9 officer get a AD throwing a duffle bag into a dept SUV. Gun went 💥 . Cop was hurt.

[@ExpertOpinions805]

1:24 There was the cop in Texas that almost died after this video came out. His holster was alien gear.

[@feelslikefar50]

"doesn't mean it hasn't happened to other people though." Exactly. I've never been struck by lightning, doesn't mean it never happens.

[@neptunestrident4364]

Is Hunter on the board of SiG Lol

[@ianaquila1858]

Wonder how Bruce Gray feels?…..

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

He's the SIG Sauer guru! Top shop- Gray Guns for SIGs. ✅️

[@JadedGLORY2689]

Navyman (Sig as a brand).

[@CutlassOutdoors]

Great video.

[@NakSuKaoGearReviews]

Love SIG not loving the unknowns with the P320s

[@Sn0wdawgz]

No one really gives a darn, move on my lovely people.

[@umoramayori]

Well the CEO is a usual suspect, doing usual suspect things. Hence the sudden contracts all over the place, and re-fitting most of the military and to a new caliber.

[@ShadetreeArmorer]

A while back, I believe you covered or shared the video of the holstered P320 that went off during an arrest by Montville PD. There were actually two videos of it, one security camera and one police bodycam. Sig put out a statement claiming that the pistol wasn't fully holstered and the retention hood was open. This was thoroughly debunked by KZbin channel "Smallen Dynamics" who pretty clearly demonstrated that the pistol was fully holstered, retention hood engaged, and what Sig was claiming to be an open retention hood was actually a tourniquet attached to the front of the holster as seen in many other photos of Montville officers' duty belts. Sig is clearly lying about that incident and their false statement is still on their website nearly a year later. If they're going to lie about an incident where nobody even got hurt, what won't they lie about?

[@Tyler56866]

I feel like even if it wasn’t fully seated. (Which it was) it still shouldn’t go off.

[@rogerwood5228]

@@ShadetreeArmorer cuff key from the other officer on contact snagged the trigger.

[@ShadetreeArmorer]

@@rogerwood5228 no it wasn't, the video even addressed where they carry their keys.

[@rogerwood5228]

@ShadetreeArmorer do yourself a favor and search Montville Police Uniform, and you'll see all those nice smiling officers wearing keys at their waist from their belts and even some with a solo 3 inch long black cuff key located up front, in the correct place for a key to lodge into a holster jammed against it.

[@rogerwood5228]

@ShadetreeArmorer do yourself a favor, search Montville Police Officer Uniform. Notice the black, 3-inch cuff key hanging at the waistline in addition to all the other keys you see them wearing.

[@robertalbino3904]

Subsequent remedial measures are generally inadmissible to prove negligence. They may only be used to impeach - such as feasibility of precautionary measures.

[@zerofire3172]

Why do i hate sig? Bc i bought theyre romeo x pro optic for my fn 509t bc ut has a dpp plate. Sig states it fits dpp footprint. Romeo x pro instr manual states it fits all dpp footprints and mounting plates. Good rt? Get the optic and it doesnt fit. I email ch prescision bc they have a dpp plate that might work. They tell me it wont bc sig made the romeo x pro recoil lugs too small. Tldr. False advertising convinced me to spend 430$ on a pistol optic

[@HA-vx4bx]

That’s because you bought an optic from a gun company. You’re better off getting an optic from a company that makes OPTICS

[@SuperTacticalcom]

Is this Phil Straders fault?

[@PandaLuv925]

Ben, I love my sig but I'm honestly convinced their design is indeed bad. I finally caved in and decided to add a trigger safety onto daily carry gun, a good solid holster to go with it. Just to add, i think the guy you saw who had his gun blown out. Did he do a custom trigger job? Because I think that might have caused the accidental discharge.

[@thepatriotsrock2]

Have Sig Donate the 320s to the ATF for testing, i bet they will decline the offer.

[@johnemmert9012]

The SIG copium at this point is laughable. M&P's and Glocks aren't having these issues. If they were, given the sheer volume of pistols issued, they'd be in the gun news cycles.

[@Geremy2Taps]

The gungis video is sus. The video and pictures show his shirt creeping into his holster. He has all the runs except the one where it goes off. I believe that he described the gun going off when he raised his hands to the surrender position. Shirt in holster + surrender position is a loosing equation if the shirt intruded into the trigger area.

[@crypto1300]

Aloha from Hawaii's 2A community 🤙🏽

[@shiftd_1114]

Stick with the 200 series of Sig pistols ...

[@karimmanassa9634]

This product liability case (Lang v. Sig) has issues: 1) Plaintiff was never able to identify the problem. 2) Plaintiff was never able to replicate the problem. 3) Plaintiff was never to able to explain the mechanics of the problem. 4) Plaintiff's original complaint stated the proof that his P320 went off while fully seated and retained in his holster was there was a bullet hole at the bottom tip of the holster. There's only one small problem . . . he was using an OPEN END holster. 5) If you read the Jury's decision, their rationale for blaming Sig was the P320 trigger shoe lacked a trigger safety. This emerged out of nowhere, and contradicts the original complaint. 6) This all started when the Plaintiff decided to remove his kydex 4:00 IWB holster with the fully loaded gun still inside it. This is very awkward and unusual, he had to first loosen his belt, and I can easily imagine him fumbling the holster/gun combo during this event.

[@emyadamache8317]

Here's my two cents. I have been and still use the Sig M18 in matches. My local club has weekly fun matches. Me, along with 3 other people use M18s. All no older than a year.... So far, no NDs and we have been using them for a while. The other people are all seniors. We all have manual safeties. All of us have different holsters, regardless re-holstering is done slowly and deliberately. I can't speak for everyone but my experience with the P320 has been positive. I have about 1500 rounds so far on it and it's been great.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

1500 rounds in a year and you compete? We are not talking about the M18 with a manual safety.

[@emyadamache8317]

@@HWG-wm8ld I shot it with other guns before I used the M18. The people there have shot the M18 longer than I have. At the moment that pistol is still new to me and only have about 1500 rounds on it

[@emyadamache8317]

@@HWG-wm8ld you're crazy if you thought I meant that in one year of competing I only shot 1500 rounds lol

[@alu.304]

Sig is Trash Tier. They deserve to go belly up over the 320/18/17/365 lines. Just complete trash.

[@funkla65]

Sounds like officers need to wear a second body cam which full time monitors their holsters..

[@djgsc9870]

It doesn't matter to me bc I just don't like the 320s in general

[@HA-vx4bx]

This has been going on for years and people will still cope and buy/carry the p320. It’s a garbage pistol and everyone knows it. Firearms safety rules are pretty uncompromising yet we allow (culturally) for this pistol to be used for duty/carry purposes when it’s shown it’s unsafe. It literally goes off on its own. Unacceptable given all the other great options on the market that don’t have these problems.

[@vaughnsadekni665]

Make it look "cool" and people will buy anything. People are told that fried food and cigs will degrade your life and both are still part of the human diet. I really shouldnt be surprised anymore.

[@dropmeA]

If you've ever taken a Sig P320 trigger apart you'll understand why it's not possible to shoot without pressing the trigger.

[@PhillipDRobinson]

#SIGNADE

[@sgt.grinch3299]

I don’t trust Sig.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

P226? P228? Some older TDA P229s? DAK guns? Yes. 320s? No.

[@ashlandgunclub1000]

People can F up a rock given a little time.

[@RT-gv6us]

The Sig deal is so hard for me to figure out. I have listened to arguments from well studied people on both sides of the issue. The only takeaway I have been able to make is to stay away from any new models or new generations of existing models when they first come out. It seems like Sig does not engage in enough field testing before releasing a new model or generation of an existing model. The only Sig I own is the P365. I have owned it about 8 months and ran several hundred rounds through it of various brands, bullet types, bullet weights, and even some of my own handloads. It has shot everything that I fed it without a single issue. On the other hand I know people who have had issues with the first gen of the P365. I don't have the answer.

[@TheTkpham]

Not that any company should get a free pass, but no one who values their gun rights should be cheering this jury verdict against SIG. Especially if you have been paying attention to various lawsuits that the DOJ / Gun control groups bring up against firearms manufacturers. And the point isn't always to win, but rather to bankrupt the companies through the legal process. It's also how the gov't justifies stupid "safety" mechanisms. Magazine safety, micro stamping, loaded chamber indicators, biometric unlocks, ridiculous trigger weights, etc. If you live in a free state, God bless. Some of us don't want more companies to tank and more useless "features" mandated.

[@CitizenCarrier]

Wait a minute! Doesn’t the U.S. Military use Serpa holsters? Or at least, they did. And now they’re issued a variant of the Sig P320. So I say fu€k it! Stick a P320 in a Serpa holster modified for appendix carry and call it a day. Talk about living life in the fast lane! 😂

[@samgoral4]

Every issued holster I’ve seen had been a safariland now

[@antiied]

7000 series ALS holsters are being issued in the Navy where I retired from (EOD), I now train Army and every M17 I’ve seen on Fort Campbell, including military police, is in a Safariland ALS as well.

[@CitizenCarrier]

@@samgoral4 I have my brothers old holster he was issued from when he was an MP and it is most definitely a Serpa. I guess the military finally wised up and got away from issuing those. But they went out of the frying pan into the fire with Sig. 😂 Just trolling.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

Yes, we used them a long time ago. 90s

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I'm a army MP 95B veteran. We used nylon M12 Bianchi holsters. OD 90% of the time. I did often see early 2000s GWOT era National Guard, Reserves MPs using M9s or M11s in SERPAs, some M12s. Bianchi made holsters for both. In the 2010s, DA, DoD gave Safariland a holster contract. M17, M18 9mm guns. I'd add into the mid 2010s I saw National Guard MPs with Glock 17s 19s too. This was strange but 1 said the Cdr or BN cdr could buy, issue Glocks.

[@jsmiley12]

Why is it that 573 KZbin channels all posted about the newest Sig product within a 15 minute timeline on KZbin? They pay off more guntubers than Soros does politicians… Oh,shoot, was that my outside voice?

[@HWG-wm8ld]

They are also running out of content and everyone wants to be the first to make a video reviewing the new turd.

[@TheTkpham]

They do a launch the same way car companies do. They get early access so they have time to perform the review and make the video or write the articles, but they all agree to wait until a certain day to drop the content so its fair for all the other content creators and journalists. It's called an embargo. This is especially important for car launches because they aren't lending $300k demo cars to dozens and hundreds of content creators all at the same time.

[@PnP-td1mt]

The amount of pure stupid in Ben’s comment sections is crazy! It’s always the one who doesn’t shoot much (if at all) that has the most to say. If you don’t shoot much and or have no basic understanding of how a p320 functions how do you form an opinion? For every good KZbin video there are 10 bs videos.. People reviewing and giving their opinions on guns know they understand nothing. It’s sad really.

[@anthonyb5282]

Here first?

[@thepracticalrifleman]

No

[@Patrick_Bateman____]

Yes

[@johnhatchel9681]

P320s are as safe and reliable as any Glock. Plus better triggers, sights and grip. There's a whole of unhinged Glock fanboys on a massive misinformation campaign because of 2 reasons. 1- Sig beat glock for the military contract 2- P365 was the top selling pistol of 2023. That's some pretty big L's for emotionally unstable fanatics to try and deal with.

[@HWG-wm8ld]

We take it you are a Sig owner and need to defend your gun. They didn’t beat anyone for the contract. Selling the most means nothing. Sights are what they are because they are cheap and no matter what type they go with, most will replace with their preferred set. Having Trijicon HD sights on every Glock would add $150 to the price. Most run optics which makes those great sights useless. The grip is just you being unable to adjust your wrist 4 degrees, plenty of us use 1911s, berettas, CZs, Glocks…without a problem. Sounds like you may have a little Glock derangement syndrome.

[@johnhatchel9681]

@@HWG-wm8ld Sig beat Glock for that contract. You are in denial.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

SIG has 75-85 US court cases 🏛 related to M17s 320s M18s. That many documented court actions, civil lawsuits is no minor point. Or simple flub. I own a few Glock gen 4s 5s. A few M&Ps. I'm fine with them. I'd add my 1.0 PDP was 💯 . 0 problems with 9mm factory rounds.

[@tbenson5966]

I’ve seen some P 365 failures in classes.

[@driftitlikeyouownit]

I don't and have never carried a sig in my entire life.

[@tbenson5966]

Alien Gear sucks!