*sigh* fine, let's talk about velma...

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[@Thomperfan]

If I could use this comment to spotlight some actually good Scooby-Doo content, my personal favorite SD film is Scooby-Doo Stage Fright. All 5 mains are the best they’ve ever been, (individually and as a unit), the supporting cast is a roster of interesting and memorable characters, the chase/action scenes are tense, the mystery is engaging, and it's just a good time all around.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I love the idea of talking about actually good Scooby content so I'm pinning this! I don't think I've ever seen that one so I'll go check it out. I love Witch's Ghost for the intro to the hex girls, cozy New England Halloween vibes and of course the legendary Tim Curry lending his voice. Zombie island is also classically scary and features Jim Cummings voice acting. Scooby Doo crossover with the Addams family is also super fun. 😊

[@Tofx11]

Scooby Doo Adventures: The Mystery Map - its obviously made for little kids but the puppets being exact replicas of the Pup Named Scooby Doo characters got me interested and the songs are damn catchy!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@Tofx11 that sounds adorable! As mentioned in the video, we've been reading through a bunch of Scooby Doo books that were written for grade school kids and we still find them quite entertaining lol

[@JRKonungrinn]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff I think Zombie Island is my favorite. Have you seen the crowdfunded live action show Mystery Incorporated? The first episode is up on the Mystery Incorporated KZbin channel. It looks a bit like how Riverdale started out. I've been hoping they'd get the funding together for another episode & be able to keep going. Edit: NerdSync did a video where they watched the Mystery Incorporated pilot episode and pointed out a lot of fun reference details: kzbin.info/www/bejne/goWppoKlibmFgrc

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@JRKonungrinn I've been hearing a lot about that and definitely should check it out!

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

I think every Scooby fan can agree: the *entire* Scooby gang deserves better than whatever the hell this show thinks it is. 👏🤛👩‍⚖

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yup...

[@jayheadley8061]

When I first saw the teaser trailer, I was pretty bias since Velma has always been my favourite Scooby-Doo character, Shaggy being my second favourite. And I said to myself that it can't be worse than Be Cool, and don't get me wrong, I completely understand the complaints and why people hate this take, especially since Scooby's not in it, which was my problem. But I decided to watch the series and keep an open mind in order to get a full opinion, despite knowing I'm going to be disappointed. When I first saw the two episodes, it was a mixed bag for me. Velma and Shaggy are meh, if you ignore the nationality change. Fred and Daphne on the other hand, are even bigger arseholes than I've originally anticipated from previous incarnations. And they're reason for not including Scooby is bullshit when you look at Mystery Incorporated as an example. I'm not fussed if you make him an realistic dog like in the fan film, just add him. Spoiler Alert, I kinda warmed up to Daphne since episode 4, but I feel so bad for Shaggy, having no luck with relationships. Although it has given me some inspiration for a upcoming Scooby-Doo crossover that is in development for my insta comic. Nothing beats Mystery Incorporated, by far.

[@zaktilton1680]

I have to agree with you, 100%

[@Better_callMe]

as soon as you said about the Christmas gift, I was like "THATS THE MONK ENDING" lol

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

RIGHT?!? Monk is my comfort show (one of them) and I'm like bro...how dare you think I wouldn't see that one coming?? 😂

[@zenzesperspectives]

All along, I thought it was tea in the mugs😭😂😂😂 ... Velma: solving world peace one contrarian move at a time.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Lol, it's usually tea but it honestly can (and probably has) been everything.) When I filmed this it was peach seltzer water because I was in that mood.

[@zenzesperspectives]

Nice😌

[@SpecterSprite]

Vintage Scoob is baller and I had the biggest crush on Linda Cardellini as a tot. Enjoying your videos!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thanks for watching and welcome! Vintage scoob is lovely and doesn't need this garbage to stay relevant or important to people.

[@thecompareablezombie]

TBF the characters are fictional is used, and sexualizing a fictional teenage character is only weird. First video I am watching of yours, I understand it feels. It is very weird not illegal. Now lets look at this, An all female/male cast or Main character is a woman or man, make content that is well made, and the character just happens to be X Identity. Also when there are content that mocks X Group That is another story, ironic Mockery.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

why are you showing yourself drinking?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It's seltzer water but I can drink whenever I want lol

[@A113-p9e]

Yikes.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Like, Zoinks Scoob...where the hell are you?

[@apizzathatgiantforthesimpl5191]

Poor Velma Dinkley. She didn't deserve treatment like this horrendous show. Literally one of the most intelligent, level-headed, empathetic characters in cartoon history turned into a mean-spirited spiteful Daria wannabe/knockoff. 😔

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yep, Velma means a lot to people for her character and kind nature and they tried to take that from her. Guess it's time to watch real Scooby Doo to palate cleanse.

[@bootsthecat6718]

I am amazed that the people working on this show either knew or bothered to take the time to look up that shaggy's real name is Norville Rogers, but also seem to hate everything about the Scooby-Doo franchise

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Right?? Like they keep making all these jokes that show a disdain for the source material but like...you chose to make a Scooby Doo thing my guys!!

[@jayheadley8061]

1 and 2 were meh, the only saving grace Shaggy in a way, despite not being a stoner apparently. 3 and 4 were a slight improvement, in my opinion, but still weak. I was actually laughing with episode 3, mainly on how petty Daphne and Velma's rivalry is and how pathetic Fred is as a character, again the only saving grace is Shaggy as he's the only character that isn't an arsehole. The amount of hate it's got on KZbin is relentless! Everyday I would see countless videos of reviews rants and reactions on how terrible the show is. Even if the next episodes get better (which I doubt) hardcore Scooby-Doo fans are still going to hate it for the sake of it.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@jayheadley8061 It just feels like they hate being a Scooby Doo property but also want the core fan base to watch and it feels like they're talking down to the audience. I like Shaggy and a couple of the jokes were fun but overall this is an abysmal show and I don't think much of it can be redeemed (though hopefully some of the core problems can be cleared up) I hate how all other characters besides Shaggy were portrayed and it really felt like they thought they needed to make it "edgy" to keep the IP relevant which shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the source material and fandom. We here all know that Scooby is great in all its cheesy nostalgic glory and they didn't need to do this. Sorry, I have so many thoughts.

[@jayheadley8061]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Don't be, I'm just grateful not to be attacked for keeping an open mind. After watching this week's episodes, I will agree with the fan for there was no saving the show. Episode 6 have tried to reference the original franchise by saying lines and lores we're all familiar with, but was done very poorly. (Spoiler Alert) The only laugh I ever got out of 5 and 6 was Daphne, kicking that trumpet player in the balls.

[@jayheadley8061]

I grew up with What's New, despite not being a huge fan of Scooby-Doo at the time mainly because it's formulaic, accept the 4 home direct films from the late 90s and early 2000s as well as the live action films, which slowly gained my interest with the franchise. It wasn't until I saw Mystery Incorporated where I actually start to love Scooby-Doo. My reason it being the only Scooby-Doo TV show what you actually learn about the characters outside mystery solving, character development and an ongoing plot, as well as keeping the charm and formula hardcore Scooby-Doo fan are familiar with. And it's the only one where I actually like Fred.

[@lilith_fox]

I think Scrappy Doo deserves an apology. He's good whenever he has Daphne to bounce off (From what I remember)

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah I've been meaning to do a scrappy apologist video. I liked him as a kid because I related to how he was so small but tried so hard lol.

[@supermariof0521]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff What Scrappy needs is a stand alone movie that addresses what people hated about him in a way that tries to improve him as a character.

[@thunderspikes4064]

@@supermariof0521 I disagree I think that he kinda sucks

[@thunderspikes4064]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Please react or make a video about Mystery Incorporated. It's the best Scooby-Doo show interation ever.

[@supermariof0521]

@@thunderspikes4064 How would you have improved him?

[@SuperSireBoyYT]

“Trigger warning: velma” is genius

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Why, thank you!

[@qwerty77772]

Oh you can hear the collective sighs for this show worldwide! It actually impressive in that way.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I felt like I could hear the collective sigh from the community when I sent the video live but it had to be done. 😅

[@bryaneastman2395]

Yours is the first (and only) Velma discussion video I've watched. I wasn't even going to watch any, but I know how much of a fan you are, and you are the only one I trust to objectively break it down. And as usual, you nailed it. Thank you!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Aw, thank you so much! I try to be fair and obviously this is all just my opinion but I wanted to vent a bit and give people an extra way to follow the discussion without having to give them viewership.

[@tristanpetty7173]

I haven't seen the show because I don't have HBO MAX. But thank you for pointing out one of the biggest issues with these kinds of shows which is making fun of people who like watching old nostalgic family shows or films. I'm a 38 year old man who still watches cartoons and also loves looking at children's illustrations. As a kid there were quite a few things that most other kids were into that I wasn't. And it did make me feel left out a little. Also, yes, animation is really going through a rough patch now with this, Netflix cancelling animated films and series left and right (really pissed about that Bone series), and that rather condescending comment at the Oscars last year. You would think with Guillermo del Toro's sincere comments on animation being a medium and not a genre, things would improve but it looks like it's going to be a long while.

[@tristanpetty7173]

Sorry. Want to say one more thing. I feel this whole shaming people for liking animated films is one way we got the Disney live action remakes. There were a couple of good ones, but those films overall felt really insulting, belittling and hypocritical in what they're conveying. Like they all talk about how they're making their characters "an improvement" over the original when it's really just shallow and based more on bad faith criticisms of the original films than their own opinions. I'm not against making Ariel a different race but Im not counting on the Little Mermaid remake being good for more justifiable story related reasons.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I don't want to come off as way too sensitive or offended for clicks or whatever but I've seen how therapeutic it can be to actually engage in childhood comfort media or media that wasn't available to you as a kid. I've always hated the kind of humor/criticism that acts like it's too good for everything and makes people feel bad for...liking things. Yeah this one struck a nerve with me.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

To respond to this point I agree that the live actions are almost purely cash grabs for Disney. I do think Haley bailey is very well cast for Ariel and I hope the rest of the movie does her justice...not that they have a super great track record

[@tristanpetty7173]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff The idea of ultra realistic looking Sebastian and Flounder is not sounding appealing already. And since you talked about it, hopefully they don't do to Eric what they did to Fred.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@tristanpetty7173 yeah here's hoping it's better than all the other live action movies that came before.

[@lizan2678]

Ruh-roh. Seriously tho, how does a show, on a surface level, seem to be try to be 'diverse' while at the same... seeming to be trying to pander to the likes of bigots and trolls? It... seriously boggles my mind.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I'm still wondering who this was made for. They did what the reboot of the twilight zone often did which was try to be progressive without more than a superficial analysis of dividing issues and then played it so safe with their "hot takes" that we're all left wondering what side they're even on.

[@assassincat4942]

My mother and father combined their last names. When I realized this, I found it really heartwarming. On another note, how bad this show managed to be surprised me. I honestly don't know how they managed to conceive the show in the first place.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Ok, well it's good to know that's at least something that people do. It is pretty cute and gives you your own name that carries a lot of family history at the same time. 💛

[@williamhanekom9882]

I just find it tragic how this show hasn't actually bothered to deconstruct the characters for comedy instead of making them unlikable assholes. Analysing Velma pyschologically could have been a unique and compelling take on the franchise and they've squandered it so far.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Exactly! This is an interesting concept put in the hands of writers unwilling and unable to pay tribute to the original energy of the franchise (in my opinion)

[@highstepnightowl]

I'm not really sure how anyone thinks making a show that directly craps on their fanbase and everything that made the original show enjoyable would get positive feedback. I think HBO is self sabotaging to distract from the many planes of evil of removing all of their animation. "See, guys? Our animation franchises are atrocities. It was good that we destroyed all of those animators' livelihoods."

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I thought the same thing and I cannot think of another time that something was so bad we all were convinced it was some kind of conspiracy. I'll forever be shocked at tv execs inability to know what viewers want. Like they really thought everyone would join them in their hatred of something when there's still an enthusiastic fan base surrounding it?

[@Aisha_Luv]

The thing is, I wouldn't mind a scooby doo cartoon with adult jokesif the jokes actually felt introspective and instersting in their commentary. I like making fun of white dudes with a complex as much as the next guy,but when thats your only joke, and the people telling the joke are made out to be bad people in so many other ways, its just like.... What??? With all the race swapping and queerness in this show, it's obviously aimed at a left leaning audience, yet it makes the main left leaning character come off as so unlikable thats its like, what are you trying to say???? Like it could work if they made it like mystery incorporated but their allowed to tell dirty jokes, but instead its a mish mash of tones, and everyone feels out of character.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Totally agree! Like I wouldn't mind dunking on Fred if it felt like he was a real fleshed out character or had any redeeming qualities like dang dude. It's the same three jokes over and over again and it's brutal to sit through. I would've loved to see like...plot driven Scooby with darker themes and permission to be a little less PG so why not make that?

[@LGsBarbieGirl411]

"If that present ends up having a clue to her disappearance and/or murder... Monk did it first." That was also the first thought I had when I heard about the present. XD You made so many good points about this show and I'm honestly still confused about who it's supposed to be for. All I know is that it's clearly not for me, so I am perfectly happy to consume it solely through other people's commentary! There is so much more fun Scooby content out there that I really should finally get around to revisiting.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Thank you for watching! And yes!! I've gotta cover more monk and real Scooby Doo lol.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Hey guys! Thanks for all the love on this video! This morning I found this great video essay by a really underrated creator on the platform and I really appreciated hearing his perspective on the race swapping and representation aspects of the show as a South Asian film critic. Just thought I'd share for those interested. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5nGYamBnZtsjNU

[@cameronjim2983]

I predict that Norville is gonna gain Shaggy’s look and mannerisms once he tries out Zoinks. Longer hair, scruffier chin hair, and slouched stance.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

You know...you're probably right which would mean their only interesting subversion of a character will be lost.

[@AntonWongVideo]

yeah, I've yet to watch this show but the general sentiment I gather is like "Who was this for? HBO killed so many animated properties, but THIS, they kept? I mean, I get that hate-watching works the numbers but damn, just make some 'trashy' reality shows; it's far cheaper!" This was also around the same time that HBO got good sentiment around "The Last of Us" turning around the "Video game adaptation curse" so, maybe it's a Thanos-type "perfectly balanced, as all things should be" philosophy/business model 18:14 aw darn, I'm still making my way through season 1. how dare you spoil a 20-year-old show for me that I'm just sorta casually watching and only have a hint as to what the spoiler means 😆

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Lol, sorry...it's not really a spoiler given the info present. Just like a half spoiler. 🙃

[@TheCorazonPawprint]

All we wanted was a lesbian Velma, not whatever the hell this show was

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Lol right??

[@cameronjim2983]

Artists/Animation has really had a rough few years haven’t they?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

They're insanely overworked and underpaid even after they literally kept Hollywood running through quarantine it drives me insane.

[@tajtay]

I like Velma but it feels every new version she’s unlikeable. Could this have taken place in college ? That would have been something different and not made the adult tone weird. I think it was Alex Meyers that said this show feels like a Family Guy cut away gag not a real show lol

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Velma being sassy is fine with me but they stripped her of her left brain decision making skills and happiness for what feels like no reason. I think you're right about Alex's video and I agree on that point totally.

[@nicky55]

22:09 It would have been such a easy and simple fix if she just laughed bc of the juxtaposition between her in her own head thinking bad thoughts about herself and panicking then Norvell talking about how much he loves and cares for her despite it all and mentioning her good points. Of course that could never happen with this show, but it would have been nice

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Right?? That would've been wholesome and much better representation of what panic disorder feels like. *screams into the void*

[@theflyingdropbear2009]

the only thing this series has got going for it is that it has united so many people who don't normally agree on things, it has gotten people to agree that this show is a dumpster fire. the writers have to be a special kind of stupid to ensure that would be the case. Scooby Doo is something that can breach those divisions because it is loved by all, even those who fundamentally disagree with one another.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I love that literally on the Mystery Inc gang's worst day they still unite us all. It's true, the IP has always been, at it's core, an earnest and sincere show that promotes peace (straight out of the hippie era). What's baffling to me the more I think about it is SD always was its own kind of progressive with the bad guys usually being corrupt businessmen and politicians and apparently that's lost on the show runners here.

[@gadgettherobotstudios6055]

I havent watched Velma yet. but I'm Staying away from it :D

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Definitely stay away from it! It's so bad and I don't want them to think they should make more of it.

[@JustinCoasters]

They've already made TWO female starring Scooby Doo properties: Daphne and Velma The New Scooby & Scrappy Doo Show/ The New Scooby Doo Mysteries (Daphne is the leader/genius of these)

[@PaulonotPaul8]

It still surprises me how many people still think anything animated is just for kids or is below them (until they actually watch and laugh their asses off at the dumbest thing). The animation does look good but that's the only nice thing I can say about it. Granted I don't know much about Velma but from what I do know, this ain't her. I could add a bunch more but I'll spare you (you've suffered through this enough for the both of us..and many many others) Can't remember if you've worn that shirt before, It's great tho (love me some plaid) 😻

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Velma is usually this really clever sweetheart with dry humor but now we've apparently tried to make her a bully here?? Thanks, I also love plaid!

[@JustinCoasters]

One More thing (Sorry to spam your comments), You'd think WB would learn the lessons from Ren & Stimpy Adult Party cartoons. Guess not?

[@JustinCoasters]

Fun Fact: Doug Walker is fine with this show, But was against Cleavage for Lola Bunny.

[@JustinCoasters]

To anyone, If you like Velma and hate Scrappy Doo, You have issues IMO

[@UJEvans]

It's a shame that some of these lines were legit funny. "$500?!? That's like a million dollars!" At least some of these writers are talented, or at the very least clever. They should be able to make something more appealing

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

My theory is that there is one genuinely clever writer that they didn't listen to enough because every so often you get a line like "I was voted most revengey in yearbook...those yearbook guys have no idea what's coming for them." And like that's actually funny...why couldn't the rest of the show be that kind of humor??

[@Grexsome]

24:44 also like in the case of Fred what was he even being arrested for? The cops broke into his house, shot him twice in the legs, after apparently being called because Velma broke in (according to the joke Norville makes to Velma as they take Fred away) and they don’t even seem to give him any medical care… like, that sounds horrific, it is, even if they’re trying to jail him for the murders none of that makes any sense whatsoever

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah it makes no sense and you can't make the cops comic relief and also make them shoot teens. Plus isn't the whole thing with Fred supposed to be his privilege? The cops would never rush to arrest someone who's family is all money and power.

[@Grexsome]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff literally it feels like such a backwards messages for… shock value???? Maybe???? So confusing

[@Grexsome]

I just can’t even tell what they’re trying to say here tbh, like all of their messaging is either backwards or redundant it feels like

[@monikathesavagebear9149]

Why does Mindy Kaling have to be involved! I wanted to pitch my Series I've been planning Reality Glitch, for the Phantom Virus. But now that she bought the rights for ScoobyDoo, she might take full control of my ideas.😱 (I haven't made the Show Bible yet.)

[@JustinCoasters]

@averytalksaboutstuff, How can they have a Scooby Doo property without Scooby Doo? Let's have a Flintstone's show starring just Bam-Bam, The Great Gazoo, and Mr. Slate while we're at it.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Truth

[@michaelcarter9395]

The problem people have with "representation", is that it's often used to justify poor writing. I grew up watching Sesame Street, and it was well written with an intentionally diverse cast, so it's possible, (but not lately).

[@chrisfawcett7942]

Awesome video I hated this show I chose to watch Chucky season 2 sence I liked the first season I actually liked it a lot of people give the show shit for making glen nonbinary and making the 2 main boys gay but It didn't bother me because I know people who are gay so I so respect that 100 percent

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Representation is always good if it can genuinely make people feel included (unlike this show that just upset everyone).

[@xedalpha1]

Velma did one good thing, in my case and many others it’s led us to rediscover good modern scooby doo shows. I’m loving mystery Inc so far.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yay! I love that 😊 Scooby has always been such a big thing for me.

[@CaffeiToonEntertainment]

Just want to clarify I am totally anti-racist in regards to the elepehant in the room with this show. But there was no reason for the creator to make this a Scooby Doo property because literally everything about this show doesn’t feel like the Scooby Doo gang. Like this version of Shaggy aka Norville in this show would’ve worked way better as a different character that isn’t Shaggy or as a character for a show with the same premise. They didn’t just race-swap the characters they literally changed their personalities and things about them that made them iconic like Shaggy’s cool-dude voice. This version of Shaggy would’ve worked better as someone new to the gang. He’s good as a stand-alone character, but he acts nothing like Shaggy. And if people in the animation industry want to create more of a diversity in cartoons (which I think is a great idea), they really need to stop thinking they should race-swap the most iconic characters. For example when Peanuts was being called out back in 1968 for lacking diversity, instead of race-swapping Charlie Brown they made a new character in the comic strips and cartoons, Franklin. Now I know there was a bit of a controversy from A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving with his character being alone on the other side of the table which I’m not sure was intentional, but my point is they didn’t change the characters we already love. I’m sure there are other cartoons that did this as well. But what also bothers me about Velma is yes the fact that they cancel several animated shows like Infinity Train that had true potential and were admired by fans and remove many old animated shows fans love from their streaming service and they make this show their shameless highlight. That really says a lot about WB tragically. They just want their audience to be angry. They’re not far from being as bad as Nickelodeon now. I’m mostly just addressing the whole bandwagon this show started. It simply should’ve been an original IP, not a Scooby Doo IP at all. They ruined everything we love about the characters and don’t even include Scooby Doo.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah it does kind of feel like it was a working title that got re skinned into a Mystery Inc thing doesn't it? I'm not qualified to speak on the representation point but I am disappointed for the people who were excited to get a more inclusive cast. It seems like they thought they could get away with being superficially concerned with important causes and wasted any potential to actually make any kind of impact. I'm fine with a reimagining of a character if it's done well and I'm absolutely with you that there should be new characters made that accurately make all people feel seen. Sadly, this didn't do either thing. From my understanding (and I could be wrong) Franklin was created by Charles Schulz in the comic strip because he wanted diversity for peanuts and he fought to get Franklin added to CB Thanksgiving. The network was afraid to piss off racists so they agreed but put him by himself so he could be edited out for certain conservative markets. I believe Schultz himself was rightfully pissed.

[@patrickmgaddis]

9 months later THIS SHOW STILL SUCKS! How do they renew this show, yet cancel the good ones?

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Right??

[@roderick8167]

Oh I was so hoping you would talk about Velma I really wanted to hear your take on this trash show 😂😅, this show just makes me love and appreciate Scooby Doo tv shows like the OG 1969 Scooby Doo show and What's New Scooby Doo and the movies like Zombie Island, Witches Ghost, Alien Invaders and Cyber Chase even more than I already did 🙌🙏🎉🎊

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I'm honored that you wanted to hear my take after some of the biggest creators have already broken it down. 😊 I know what you mean, this makes me want to do so many more individual deep dives on Scooby content and now one of my life goal projects is to do a massive video essay on watching all of Scooby Doo.

[@roderick8167]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Of course your takes are great 😊 🙌 and awesome more Scooby deep dives would definitely not be a bad thing lol

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@roderick8167 I need to do a zombie island video asap

[@roderick8167]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Yeah that'll be a good platette cleanser for having to endure Velma Lol 😂🙌

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@roderick8167 agreed lol

[@rusted_ursa]

Confessional time: I don't really like Scooby-Doo? Not that I wanna yuck anyone's yums, here. My partner of 8 years likes a lot of Hannah-Barbara stuff. But for the last thirty-mumble years, my experiences with the franchise have only ever been tedious and annoying. So, I was really intrigued by your description of the show as "looking like it was made by people who hate Scooby-Doo." Like... why? Did... did they think _I_ was going to watch it? Because I'm not. I've got romance novels to write and a gay VN to make. I'm not going to sink hundreds of my finite Earth minutes into a hate show. I only clicked on this because _you're_ funny, and I like to watch funny videos at bedtime so I'm not all stressed out at having the worst upstairs neighbors currently living. But, seriously, why make a show that's all about how much you hate the show you're making? If they wanted to make a Rick and Morty rip-off... well, it hurts my soul to admit it, but somebody should have just let them do that. Anyway, good job as usual, Ms Avery. Sorry you had a bad time. Hope you get to review a show you like next time.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

That's fine! Scooby is important to me personally because I've been obsessed with mysteries ever since I was a kid and it's just this wholesome show about this found family running around solving crimes done by capitalists and honestly that's something kid and adult me can get behind. But it's not everyone's thing. I really am so confused because in interviews Mindy kept saying she tried hard to, "respect the IP" and I'm just like WHERE MINDY?? Thank you so much for watching! ☺️ I'm glad I can help you chill out. I rely on videos I can put on to help me sleep and so it means a lot that people feel cool to come to the channel and chill.

[@pokemaniac05]

Did this even need to exist for a origin story of Scooby Doo? No it really didn't & the fact this is getting another season is more to say is WHY? The animation is one of the only things good about it, despite the fact we already have lots of adult animation series that they blend along with each other. I wish it wasn't about Scooby Doo & be it's own thing instead, yeah it would be generic as hell, but it would at least not destroy a series so bad.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah...I think the answer is to keep watching and talking about real Scooby stuff to remind them that they can't take over this franchise.

[@brushdogart]

Thank you for watching this show so I don't have to (though I wasn't going to anyway but that's beside the point). I actually got my college degree in animation so it always hurts me to see so much skill and effort wasted by a horrible script. I mean...the comedic timing alone is so off it's painful. If there is one thing all animator understand, it's timing! Anyway, here's a fun animation fact for the day. At the end of every Courage the Cowardly Dog when the Stretch Films logo pops up there is a creepy maniacal laugh that plays. That's Dilworth's actual laugh. It's not voice acting, he just sounds like that normally. I'm rather glad he was on vacation the whole time I interned there, he was really creepy.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I'm happy to help 😂 some creators were dedicated enough to cover the whole series all the way through but I don't have the strength for that. That's really cool that you got to intern there! I didn't grow up with courage but I've recently fallen in love with it since covering the Scooby meets courage movie. 😊

[@Blu_Grimgator]

Im glad you didn't say something along the lines of "Meta comedy is getting old so stop doing it" like a lot of people I've seen review this show... It's not that meta humor is necessarily bad, it's just that Velma's meta humor is an awful dumpster fire, and then on top of that they just do it non stop instead of actually writing things that make sense. The way people have been looking at Velma and using it as an excuse for why meta humor 'sucks' is just disappointing to me, like it's the same argument that Fox news or smth could make like, oh look, This show has gay people in it and the show sucked, and therefore it sucked because it has gay people in it. Meta humor isn't the problem.. bad and poorly executed meta humor, especially an overreliance on it, is the problem. (Obviously the garbage jokes are not Velma's only problem, but I feel like a lot of people, at least that I've seen have been putting a majority of the blame on it, so I just wanted to point it out.)

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oh yeah, I love meta commentary but the reason I love it is that it gives media a chance to show an awareness and consideration for the audience and comment on things important to the viewers. This show does none of that. Technically the whole, "look we're doing a thing, isn't that weird" is not true meta commentary but lampshading which always feels to me like the writers aren't confident in their own work and are afraid of the audience instead of speaking to us.

[@AidenFeltkamp]

This show makes me so angry because it's something I wanted so badly and it was a huge wasted opportunity. The writing is incredibly awful and it continually punches down. Thank you for your breakdown and for pointing out the misogyny, lampshading, and other issues.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I really appreciate you watching and I totally agree...big wasted opportunity to do something great.

[@dktro8831]

I wanted to give you some good Scooby-Doo content ideas. Doing a video on the phenomenon of the Hex Girls in the fandom. Ive always lived the Hex Girls personally, but yeah i think it would be a interesting idea.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

That's a great idea! I also love the hex girls. We were just talking about how great they are on a live stream tonight.

[@RobAGabor]

This show is even more universally disliked than Kirk Cameron's Saving Christmas. That's amazing.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

The fractured nation has been healed by the shared hatred of this show and honestly I'm here for that.

[@amberwingtundrawing776]

My opinion on Velma is that if it came out in 2014 on Adult Swim, it would've killed but that kind of humor is so overplayed that it's derivative

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I think you're right... like this type of humor has never been for me and I used to be frustrated when we went through that era of sub par animation getting rave reviews.

[@basileusofstupidonia6462]

This movie has cockroaches getting it on in it? I can't decide if that makes me want to run away in terror, scream with rage, or laugh so hard I die from wheezing! I'm guessing everyone who watched this felt some combination of those 3 things throughout the whole movie...

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I felt personally insulted 😂 and it was literally 30 seconds in

[@crissrudd4554]

At least it’s not a Scrappy spin-off.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Even that would probably be better honestly. 😅

[@noahhutchins5164]

So, I definitely agree with your view on the show, especially based on the first two episodes. Episode one really sets the viewer up to dislike Velma since she has an obvious, "I'm better and smarter than everyone. If you don't do things like I do, then you're wrong" air about her. However, I have continued to watch, and see that they are calling her out on her bullshit. I assumed they would, but they went so far out of their way to make you hate her in these first two episodes that it's sort of hard to come around to liking her. Also, the meta humor, to me, felt really overbearing. Like you said, it's not enough to go, "isn't it weird that shows always do this" to do the exact thing but do nothing else with it. As of now, I'd say I feel more indifferent to the show. I am intrigued enough to want to stay to the end, but there isn't anything that's really standing out that makes me go either "I LOVE THIS" or "I HATE THIS". Yes, the jokes about adults liking cartoons are weird and mean spirited, but I feel this is further to set Velma up as being in the wrong and needing to grow up. This also feels what is being done with Daphne, Fred, and even Norville. Overall, it just feels so far removed from Scooby-Doo that I don't really get why they decided to set it in the franchise. At least the animation is gorgeous lol

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I was hoping that the characters would grow and therefore the show itself would get better as time went on so that's good to know. I honestly think the main reason so many of us intensely hate it is that it feels like humor that we thought we'd left behind ten years ago. Like very mean and judgy. I think they want to be Schitt's Creek where all the characters suck but then you watch them become better humans but that show was way better at making the characters fun and quotable right from the beginning so that you have the patience to see them change.

[@noahhutchins5164]

@Avery Talks About Stuff I do think there are funny moments and interesting story moments but the tone feels messy. Like, it almost feels like the writing team doesn't know what type of show they are making because one moment they're going for horror/thriller, the next parody, etc. Maybe this is one of those shows that takes a while before it gets its footing and becomes something good if not great. Right now, I feel the show DESPERATELY needs to work on making the gang likeable and a legitimate friend group. For now, I don't love it but I want to finish it.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@noahhutchins5164 I think that's a very fair assessment. Hopefully they turn it around.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

This show is awful because it is nothing like the show. Scooby is about teens solving mysteries and not guts, sex, talking about race.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Like I was really hoping that this would be good but it just wasn't unfortunately.

[@Ahalaya]

I don’t care for the race swapping not because I have anything against diverse characters but because I hate when writers use previously white characters as a crutch. If your (insert race here) character cannot stand on their own, you need to rethink your character. Hollywood needs to green light some original ideas with diverse characters so the point can get through their thick skulls.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I definitely agree that they need to greenlight more stuff with original well written diverse characters. Another KZbinr who is South Asian likened race swapping white characters for diversity as getting sloppy seconds and that's fair. I personally don't like gender bending male characters into female characters because it usually is done poorly so I imagine this invokes similar feelings.

[@donnytonny730]

it would’ve been cool if shaggy was actually anti drhh if g in a way that highlights negative black experiences more than just a joke one pff. not that it has to be presented as such

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah I think the overall takeaway is it could've been a great show but they just didn't know how to get there.

[@donnytonny730]

we want good people shows. this is bad people humor. our interests in media tonal representation has changed. malice as comedy is blunt and abrupt but we like watchte and character development

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Agreed, like there are shows that balance bad people learning to be good really well like the good place or Schitt's Creek but this is not it.

[@PeterParker-ff7ub]

even the saber guy hates this. he loves trashy tv.

[@zachgamemaster3329]

Honestly, if the gift did include a clue to the mystery, it would have been a lot better than what was actually in there.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oh dear 😅

[@toodlescae]

I've been watching Scooby Doo since the very first episode aired in the 60's. I have introduced every child in my family down to my 1, 2 and 4 year old great-great-nephews to Scooby Doo in every form it's been in. There are currently 4 generations of Scooby fans in my family. I would not show a single one of them this abomination they call a show.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

That's amazing that you've gotten your family into it! I always say if I have kids I want them to know Scooby Doo and grow up with it like I did. It feels like the show runners thought that something like this was needed for the show to remain relevant and it's a shame that they couldn't even bother to appreciate the giant fan base that the show has to this day just by being itself.

[@toodlescae]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff I babysit my great-great-nephews about 5 days a week and when Paw Patrol isn't on we watch Scooby Doo or Tom & Jerry so I'm still watching it at 61. LOL.

[@darthsidious47]

This show should be added to the Worst Wonders of the World. It's finally something we can all agree with are terrible. This show is a good example of what not to do in every sense of the word. I also do have some other issues with the show, but I won't say them here since this comment is always 12 essays long.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Agreed, I'm always up to here your opinions on the show but I also am mad that this show has robbed so much time from everyone already lol. From a writing standpoint it can be argued that they did literally everything wrong.

[@cee3poh888]

I never heard if the show until the day it premiered. I used to watch all the Scooby-Doo shows but Velma didn't upset my nostalgia so I feel like I went into it with an open mind. I got thru 1.5 episodes and it was sooo f'in BORING and not funny. I did not laugh once or even giggle. Velma is Devi if the mom was gone instead of the dad lol just so unlikable and can't get out of their own way.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

This is a very accurate assessment...like I was hoping it would come out swinging with something interesting and instead we got...this. Such a bummer.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Also good to see you around! Hope you and your family are doing well. 😊

[@Devnet94]

I watched another youtuber react to the first two episodes before I watched your video and I felt like my mind had melted into nothing. This series doesn't seem to be canon at all except in the use of names and terms. There isn't even Scooby-Doo. Velma, the series, has one star on IMDb and two stars on Rotten Tomatoes....with critics liking it more than the audience.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah it's definitely not cannon and the ratings are dismal. Some reviewers are like, "woo for woke yaaaaas!!!" But some are just as disappointed as the rest of us. More proof why you should never rely on the professional reviewers.

[@Devnet94]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Yeah, the critic rating on Rotten Tomatoes last night was 45%. Audience was 6%. The other youtuber I watched react to this said that even drinking didn't help Velma.

[@saffyesperas2278]

Constance Wu, you sounded tired in the trailer, but I still love you as an actress. Please be Daphne in another version of Scooby Doo.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Right?? They had a great cast and wasted it.

[@saffyesperas2278]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff , they did and it is sad that they are reduced to this.

[@cameronjim2983]

Pouring the contents of a tin can into mug is a mood.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It's a visual representation of my energy as a whole lol

[@monikorasort]

A voice stronger than my will to live

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

*cheers on your will to live* 💛

[@THATGuy5654]

If I find out that any of the creative team that isn't working on a new season of Infinity Train worked on this, I'll burn down the world. All of it. There's a lot of oxygen; I can make it happen.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I haven't seen that but I've heard it's much better than this.

[@THATGuy5654]

@Avery Talks About Stuff Let me put it this way: You could copy and paste my comment to apply to just about anything HBO has or could do after not renewing the show, even if they were to develop calorie-free brownies.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@THATGuy5654 gotcha...gotta love WB/HBO and they're stellar business decisions

[@gabrieldjatienza6971]

Most recent episode just blasphemed the Scooby name itself.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Oh my...

[@daniellel230]

Honestly I don't even have that much attachment to Scooby-Doo with the exception of a few movies, but the way they portrayed Velma in this series still felt super off especially with the mental illness plot line

[@daniellel230]

Also I just watched the Lost Boys and it was good but Alex Winter absolutely stole the fucking show, like he's so tiny I'm crying

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah, Velma is super important to me since as a kid I got to see her being the smartest in the room as a girl and was very level headed (and a twinge sarcastic) and no one belittled her. This Velma feels like the biggest bully which makes no sense at all. At the end of the day, people love SD for being so earnest and having a cast that is found family who loves each other and this is just the opposite of that.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Lol, I've never seen lost boys but I probably need to so I don't get hate on the internet. 😅

[@gabrieldjatienza6971]

The anti male slant of this cartoon is unfunny.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

They did my boi Fred dirty...

[@Grexsome]

I can’t even hate watch this show

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

It's not even so bad it's good...it's just bad.

[@marmikthakore7480]

I like how you reply to every comment

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I try! I really appreciate you guys choosing to hang with me when there are so many creators on the platform to choose from. ☺️

[@marmikthakore7480]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff aww 🥺

[@BlindStarLily]

The melanin levels of a golf ball... How did I not come up with this to describe myself? -Hands pressed together emoji- Thank you for bestowing me with this beautiful quote

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Lol, feel free to use that at any point 😂 thank you for appreciating my white girl joke.

[@vzanto4630]

I think if it was a show just on its own created characters instead of kinda ruining a Beloved I.P. that is SCOOBY-friggin-DOO, it would have been.... less harmful. Cool idea to talk about the show without watching with us, love your stuff always Avery!

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah it still wouldn't be good perse but no one would care which I think is exactly why they made it Scooby Doo. I didn't have it in me to subject everyone to two episodes in full of this nonsense.

[@matthewlarry5448]

Velma isn't a kid friendly show at all because it's Rated MA. Velma is missing the biggest character of the show, Scooby.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah and I don't have a problem with a show in the franchise being for mature audiences but it's so poorly written. They may find Scooby later on or something? I'm really not sure what Scooby being missing is all about.

[@triciahess8930]

I hate the fact that I honestly don't mind the show while everyone else is saying it's horrible

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I mean, I'm happy for you that you aren't suffering with the rest of us. 😅

[@kazuhasgloves]

oh boy, here we go.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Buckle up buckaroos. 🤠

[@kazuhasgloves]

I'm- 😂

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@kazuhasgloves I'm here all week, tip your waiters... 😆

[@blujaebird]

I refuse to watch it because they don't have Scooby.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Part of me feels like Scooby will come into play in the end of the season but I can't bring myself to watch that far.

[@olioccasionallyanimates27]

im 2 minutes in the video and i dont know if you said this but i genuinely like the art style

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I really do think the animators are talented (particularly in the hallucination scenes) which is what makes the disrespect towards animators even worse I think.

[@MrSupertallblackman]

Oh contraire I already thought it was awful from the very first moment I saw the trailer. Thus is could not possibly be any worse.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Fair, but don't be deceived...whatever you have heard, sitting through the show is much worse.

[@MrSupertallblackman]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff I sat through 2 entire episodes thats enough for a lifetime.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@MrSupertallblackman oof, same. I always tell people I've literally covered some of the worst and weirdest content on this channel and stuff has to be really bad to truly disappoint me these days and yet here we are...

[@shelbymckinney8888]

Avery, why would you do this to yourself! This ain't worth it🥺

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

I needed to vent 😭

[@shelbymckinney8888]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Well if we gonna have takes, I will say this. I wanted this series to be good, and expected to be bad. I never thought it would be this bad. Animation alright though.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

@@shelbymckinney8888 I agree with that entire statement...I always try to reserve my opinions until I have personally been able to watch something obviously and hoped beyond hope that it would be good but I'm genuinely shocked that this passed focus groups.

[@shelbymckinney8888]

@@AveryTalksAboutStuff Scooby not being in the show is blessing in disguise when you think about it. And I still want my Hex Girls spin-off (obviously not with this crew).

[@theasexualvampire13]

From what I can tell from everybody reviewing it is nothing about it is funny, not even in a shock humour kind of way, the jokes are just weird and make you go, huh?

[@theasexualvampire13]

And yeah, the diversity of the characters is not the problem it's everything about the writing that's wrong.

[@AveryTalksAboutStuff]

Yeah they don't know what they want to say so it's just a fail all over