Signs point to the Cardinals trading Nolan Arenado this winter?

[@twagn]

Arenado will go on to be the superstar he is for any team other than the Cardinals

[@GrandSlamScotty]

I'll always love Arenado. What a joy to watch for a lot of years. Disappointing that we couldn't build a WS winning team round him and Goldy. He deserves better but i think we deserve better production for the financial outlay. ❤❤

[@bschaeffer12]

@@GrandSlamScotty well said all around!!

[@YouMama1777]

If i was him I would go. It sucks for his fans. But they need 3rd base open. It gets the other guys so much more playing time ... I hope he goes somewhere where he can win ... Maybe him and Siani can go to the Yankees and make a run. Siani inbetween Judge and Stanton. Move Chisholm to short ... I think Soto goes to the Mets or Phillies.

[@markurquhart5064]

Its a dream i know, but would love to see him in a Royals uniform alongside BWJ

[@chrisweidner4768]

A clean break from the disappointments of Goldy and Mr. Drama would be quite welcome for me. Let the kids play. And yes, I think both deserve to be in the HOF. Also realizing there is a reason both of their teams let them go. Saw that the estimated value of Arenado for the remainder of his contract is $25 M less than he is owed. Ugh. Gorman/ Donnie if needed at 3B, competition between Saggese and Wetherholt for 2B. Thinking the team will be better next year.

[@robertradermecher4083]

Nolan deserves to land on a real contender. Future first ballot HOFer

[@tellerbrook1]

Tough one but needed. Didn't know this at the time, but Goldy/Arenado needed leaders on the team. It's not a role they could do. 2021 they had Yadi. 2022 they had Pujols. When the leadership fell on their shoulders, they started to decline. He does deserve to be on a team that isn't depending on him, but bummed he couldn't execute in 21/22 when we needed him the most.

[@JaredJCTN]

If the pitching holds up and some of the fielders move around, why can't the Cards be about 500 again. I think they are shooting for 2026. That is why Sunny and Controus are staying.

[@georgesouthwick7000]

I don’t think anybody believes Arenado won’t be traded. The only questions are, where he go, when will it happen and what will they get for him. Until this information is available, there’s no reason to talk about this.

[@unfilteredunmastered]

was hoping he'd be able to turn it around and play well enough to end his career here. I get why the team is looking to move him though and I wouldn't be surprised if another winning organization with a better development/coaching infrastructure revives him a little bit. can also understand why he'd want to leave but I just don't want to see it happen :(

[@davidshowmaker4408]

Mo lied to Arenado telling him if he stayed they would build a winning team around him and did nothing like the Rockies did!

[@bschaeffer12]

@@davidshowmaker4408 It's not a lie as much as it is a failure to execute and now he's got to do right by him and move him somewhere he wants to be.

[@JM-rf3lv]

Why would Arenado want to be part of an organization being rebuilt. He came to win the WS and everyone can see it’s not going to happen in STL for a long time to come.

[@Jens-we3vg]

The most important part of letting nado go will be increasing the clubhouse vibes. Getting back something that contributes later on is nice, but i think everyone’s mental health improves now. I like nado and he’s a great player and i hope he goes to a contender. I see mikolas staying. Nobody wants him or his salary right now. If he pitches a great first half or first 2 months then move him. Helsely is the trade piece that needs to count. Ive always liked kjerstad from the Os. Whatever deal it is its got to go the cards way to make up for some recent bad decisions.

[@JohnS-stl05]

Trading Arenado makes sense and so does Helsley. But I would wait till the deadline in Helsley as you just never know. We may be better than expected. If not then trade him. MIkolas does not walk anyone because he throws over the plate. Problem is he does not have swing and miss stuff. More sweeper and less change up or curve.

[@YouMeandHumanity]

Wouldn't it be kinda of funny if Goldie and Nolan A end up reunited on the Yankees? If they miss on Soto and miss on Walker from Arizona it could happen.

[@user-RICKK-SWMOUSA]

I think one option is to trade Arenado & Helsley together in the same trade. Probably not my favorite. Probably getting less in prospects but also paying less of Arenado’s salary. If you could get 1 really good prospect but pay very little of Arenado’s salary would you do it ??

[@GIV3nchyxx]

Send Nolan to The Yankees 😅 He deserves a Ring and to be with a real winning team

[@BillDownton]

Bernie reported that payroll was going to be around 140 right now next year as it stands

[@bschaeffer12]

We'll see!

[@teambigv]

With a little thought and a bunch of speculation in my mind I keep thinking they will settle in at around $145 million per year. For now and in the near future.

[@teambigv]

Might as well keep Miles. I think he will actually bounce back a bit next year.Keep Matz too. He's a good pitcher when healthy. They should try to extend Fedde,Donavon and Nootbaar imo. They probably won't though. I bet they will field a lot of phone calls this off season for all 3 of them.

[@BillDownton]

I seen that Donovan was listed as trade only because of the utility and the value for that

[@bschaeffer12]

Listed by whom, though?

[@BillDownton]

​@@bschaeffer12mlb trade rumors is where I seen it

[@BillDownton]

He was listed as one of top 35 to be traded and redbird rants talked about it also

[@kevinperfect8951]

I’d be down to trade Donovan, he’s a 2B bat who plays everywhere. He had his best year & has trade value so trade him away targeting a 3B with a 3B bat or a corner OF with pop bat who’s 1-2 years away. L I have the similar opinion with Noot as well, get guys who all come up together. Davis & Wetherholt are 1-3 years away that’s your window if they aren’t spending. Then when you trade both, Koperniak & Prieto get shots. They could then spend money on a 1 year corner OF with upside to trade at the deadline, just find this year’s Winker. I’d even shop Burleson too, with the way the Cardinals use the DH. I think Herrera will DH a lot when he’s not catching. Burly’s just not an OF & we’ve given Contreras 1B. I know fans won’t like my ideas but I think you let Bloom build the team how he wants for 26 & beyond now. A backup 1B/DH isn’t a big need going forward not to mention I see Walker moving to 1B/DH in a few years.

[@bschaeffer12]

I do not see Donovan as expendable in the same way.

[@stevemammen5595]

Didn't the Rockies pay a majority of his contract upon the trade??

[@bschaeffer12]

No. But they did pay a healthy chunk. $50 mil I think. But I don't think they sent all that cash at once ahead of time. They'll be responsible for $5 mil each of the next two years.

[@jeffgerst3619]

Mozeliak has gutted this organization. Whether it was his inept abilities or ownership it’s irrelevant because this team is a shell of its former self concerning talent. His free agent signing history is abysmal. Hes made Some decent trades and some Horrendous trades. He can’t Leave soon enough as far as Concerned. The team hasn’t been interested in championships for years only in remaining “competitive” which means we Want to spend little as long as fans keep coming. The fans finally figured it out and now ownership is blowing it up in retaliation

[@Andy-ow7mb]

I understand him wanting to be traded to a contender but honestly a lot of the cardinals losing games falls squarely on arenado the past couple seasons he’s not been very good at all as he and goldy went the cardinals went

[@JaredJCTN]

Gorman had lead feet at 2nd. Wht would we want that at 3rd.

[@bschaeffer12]

@@JaredJCTN 3rd was his original position. I'm not saying they'd want it.

[@boschlosser10]

I’m sure Arenado is a solid dude.. but let’s be real here.. Mo lied to this guy about a contender.. this guy continues to get a pass constantly for his BS..

[@MGillDesign]

agreed. Mo did lie to him... He may not ever publicly throw Mo under the bus for it... But it's a shame that the Cards just did "enough" while Goldschmidt and Arenado were here (to stay afloat). They never went for it. And to top that off, Mo kept pushing reset button on managers, and hiring inexperienced ones... that didn't know how to handle veterans... Let's be honest... Marmol was in awe of Waino, Contreras, Goldschmidt and Nado (his first few years) 2022-23. He refused to bench them or move them in the order (when they struggled in 2023). An accomplished, veteran manager would not hesitate. Then there's the playoffs... Nado and Goldy never produced like we thought... But, at the same time, a veteran manager would know how to manage a short (1-3 game) series, when offense is limited... I truly believe had the Cardinals made it out of the 1st round, Nado and Goldy would've eventually got into a groove.... but the manager found other ways (like pulling Jose Quintana)...to lose and get bounced out early... Or even when Shildt brought in Alex Reyes, (in a 1 game series) when everyone knew he'd give up a homerun. What would a veteran manager, or a Dave Duncan type pitching coach... have done for those 3 years? we'll never know... but for sure... most of the blame goes on Mo

[@bschaeffer12]

I think the framing that Mo lied is not really specific to what happened. Nobody was there for what Mo told him. I reckon it wasn't "We will build you a winner". I reckon it was him outlining a plan to try to reach that goal. The plan failed. He failed to execute it. And now Arenado is rightfully probably ready to move on. But that's not a "lie". The characterization from fans is strange to me. Mo 100 percent failed. But suggesting it was a lie to commit to trying to build a winner is an oversimplified evaluation of a tough business.

[@chrisweidner4768]

@@bschaeffer12well thought explanation. Still never want to hear Moz speak again.

[@MGillDesign]

@@chrisweidner4768 lol. trust me, he is gonna find ways to speak often this year... just to irk us.

[@MGillDesign]

@@bschaeffer12 Ok, maybe not flat out lied. But Mozeliak and the Card's methods for putting a winner and what Arenado probably expected are not the same. So he may have told Nado they will try to put a winner... But STL community knows that usually means "compete" for a wild card... and hopefully get lucky. And we know that Nado was quoted as saying... "He's tired of wild cards..." during the 2022 playoff hunt. Where i think Mo and DeWitt would be just fine with sneaking in (as a wild card)...

[@BillDownton]

Maybe package Arenado and Helsey or someone to get something They both have been linked to Phillies or the Os

[@MerryHoneyBee-xc4tl]

Ok so if you're only trading 2 players (Gray & Contreras are staying) your not getting a whole lot back and if you're not signing free agents then what the hell are we doing ? So your not trying to make the playoffs and your not really rebuilding either. I'm confused.

[@bschaeffer12]

@@MerryHoneyBee-xc4tl Retooling. Taking a step back. Learning about internal guys, whether Walker, Gorman, Saggese, Burleson, Pallante, McGreevy, etc etc are viable as contributors to contenders in future years. They're always TRYING to make the playoffs but not trying to spend money and maximize their chances to do so.

[@andrewhoffman1087]

Pardon my French, but why the f**k would we trade Donovan!? I thought that we traded Tommy Edman BECAUSE we wanted to keep Donovan around. Remember when Gorman, Nootbaar, and Donovan were the pieces that were talked about as trade pieces for Sean Murphy or Logan Gilbert? (I said that Gorman and Noot could be traded, but I want Donny to stay in St. Louis). That said, Donavan has been pretty much what Edman was for us as a utility guy, and if Gorman doesn't turn out, we will need someone to pmay 2B or 3B: we can't have Saggase play both, in the same inning. Donovan is the type of guy you 100% build around. Whether he lives up to that status or not is besides the point. In the here and now, Donovan is a young veteran who fits the role we are going to need while we see whether or not the prospects pan out or flame out.

[@bschaeffer12]

@@andrewhoffman1087 it would be genuinely insane. You and me see it the same. I only discuss it because I've had it presented to me by multiple fans as a question recently. Would shock me to see that happen. For reasons you outlined.

[@tonycomer1415]

You build around Donavan??? He is NOT a superstar. He is a slightly healthier version of Tommy, with less speed. You build around Masyn and hopefully Walker. You also have Saggese and Wetherholt.

[@bschaeffer12]

@tonycomer1415 Wetherholt is an A-ball prospect. You're jumping the gun. Donovan doesn't have to be your best player. But yes. I'd take 9 of him and put that against any team you want. I think he's someone you do incorporate into a long-term plan.

[@tonycomer1415]

@@bschaeffer12 Your opinion, but I would take the 4 I mentioned. JJ proved this past summer he will be the real deal.

[@bschaeffer12]

@tonycomer1415 my point is you're jumping the gun on the TIMING of JJ. He won't sniff the big leagues until late 2026 at best. Likely 2027. But depends on his progress of course. Donovan status in November 2024 doesn't have anything to do with Wetherholt. And I like Wetherholt.

[@ACErob-me9ss]

👍 👍

[@mikekeeler6362]

I don't see the Cardinals at least underneath the Dewitt's ever spending money on free agency again at least not big money they might get some low end players

[@Bigbirdreese1600]

I thought they should've traded arenado ,goldy last year we weren't winning with both of them ,we could've got more in return.. The signings of Lynn , carp and Crawford were so foolish ,dumb.. You in the hell did that ? Mo or Dewitt ? 😂😂 Trade miles asap . While you're at trade matz. ❤❤

[@bschaeffer12]

We'll see what they do!

[@jeffgerst3619]

Don’t say arb. It sounds shallow. Say arbitration

[@bschaeffer12]

@@jeffgerst3619 I needed to save the extra half second, video was getting too long

[@LAvsMVP]

Nolan was over rated playing in Col was the factor that people said it was he's suppose to be the elite pull side power hitter but he has to have everything go perfect to hit one out so ship him to hitter friendly park again

[@LAvsMVP]

Maybe he can be like Ozuna elsewhere or they should bring those fences in lmao