I hope you enjoy this free pattern! Get the inexpensive, ad-free PDF here: www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/slouchy-crochet-leg-warmers Find the free written pattern here: www.sigonimacaroni.com/slouchy-crochet-leg-warmers-beginner-friendly-pattern-one-skein/
@fatikabil27802 жыл бұрын
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@leoniegraves89214 жыл бұрын
I love how you explain what you're doing and revisit things that are confusing. That definitely makes it easier to learn things that seem daunting.
@SigoniMacaroni4 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad you find it helpful!
@bobbiannrs8802 жыл бұрын
I was never able to get the hang of crocheting much past chains so I haven't seriously crocheted in years, but one of my cats is an old man and he's starting to get colder as it gets closer to winter. He already has a few sweaters because one of my other cats (really) likes wearing them, but I decided he need something for his little leggies too. I haven't finished them (still getting the hang of things and keeping stitch tension somewhat even) but I will say scaling your human pattern to fit his teeny little kitty legs has been one of the most delightful challenges I've had in a while! Even as a leftie, you explain things really clearly and I appreciate it! I'm sure Bob will too once I get them finished! 🤣😸
@SigoniMacaroni2 жыл бұрын
😂😂 you have to send me a picture when you’re finished!!
@sobegirl4113 жыл бұрын
Love when instructors list all materials needed prior to beginning as well as explaining the process. Definitely following channel! Thank you. Pattern is beautiful 💕💕
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! By far one of my favorite designs 😊 So glad you’re enjoying the video and the pattern!
@spacey494423 жыл бұрын
These are just adorable, hoping my grand daughter will love them. I've made two seperate pieces, first one was too big for her, second one is perfect so now I need to make her the matching one. :) Your video is perfect and after making the first one, I had it down and it worked right along. I can see these in so many different yarns and colors. Thank you so much for your time in putting the video together, it made a world of difference. :)
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
I’m so happy to hear that! It’s really good to hear that you’ve be able to resize them successfully because although I found them easy to resize, no one comes back to tell me if it worked for them! 😆 But I’m so glad you were able to resize them for her. She is going to love them, especially during the colder months!
@MackenzieBowlin Жыл бұрын
I made a lavender pair of these and they are just STUNNING!
@myshadow510Ай бұрын
Nice, easy to follow rho I haven't crochet in 50 years! Thank YOU
@ttttttarget62763 жыл бұрын
i’ve never watched anything about crocheting, didn’t even know the terms, but still found this a really easy to follow tutorial! super clear and easy to understand
@yolandarodriguez4961 Жыл бұрын
It is so much easy, I just finished doing one leg to a leg warmer, and man was it hard to finish, then I'm going and kept watching more and I found your video so easy, I'm undoing the last part of it and follow this one, I'm a beginner and I have to do this one, thanks for your patience with us who are learning..🥰🥰
@shab24032 жыл бұрын
Great video. Great pace and explanation and the close up for the hard to find stitches. My only suggestion is that on the rows you did the slip stitch and then you changed 1, you don’t actually mention the chain 1. Some may miss seeing you doing it on the video. Just a suggestion. Great video.
@crystalcarlisle9496 Жыл бұрын
I finally did it! My first big and complicated project! It took a lot of tears and frustration but I stuck to it and I love my new leg warmers. I have bought the pattern also to support this channel because I really appreciate the fact that you post free patterns with videos to help beginners learn. Thanks so much. I'm really happy I stuck with it.
@toniallison6572 Жыл бұрын
A really great pattern and very doable for a beginner. That being said I used a size 5.5mm needle, sized down these leg warmers and did 7 less rows for each and using the 465 yds of fisherman's wool I just ran out with 1.5 rounds left to go on my last leg warmer😂 I could have sized down even more, they are very slouchy and don't stay up without socks and leggings underneath, which is fine, just know if you want them to be snug and stay up you'll probably want to go down an additional multiple of 4.
@thethriftyfawn3 жыл бұрын
Oh my goodness, these are beautiful! I really need to ACTUALLY LEARN how to crochet! Definitely some inspiration right here! 😊❤👍
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
That’s all I’m about over here! If you’re looking to learn, I have many tutorials and free challenges on my website! You can find everything here www.sigonimacaroni.com Let me know if you have any questions about learning!
@thethriftyfawn3 жыл бұрын
@@SigoniMacaroni That's awesome! Thanks a bunch! 🤗
@laleyherrera2012 Жыл бұрын
Love your video. It's very clear how you show the instructions. I just had a few questions. I wanted to make leg warmers to go over my skates, like the ice skate boot covers. However, I like how your warmers look. I was just wondering how to flare the bottom so that it can go over my skating boots but also have that elastic narrowed cuff so that it hugs the boot. Thanks.
@helenbeacham89063 ай бұрын
Great tutorial I will be making them. I hope they come out good with 100% acrylic yarn. I will try it.😊
@frapatch3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explaining! These legwarmers are lovely, my daughter loved them. I hope you keep up the great work. So appreciated!
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy to hear that!
@Bubby448 Жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t we decrease the last single row? The bottom cuff should be smaller than the top. In order to fit my ankle, I had to decrease. I did three and then two together. I love that when you turn them inside out, it’s a whole other pattern and it’s beautiful. Thank you. Took me a while but I finally got it.
@nadiamiah9360 Жыл бұрын
To prevent the gap after the first round of DC you can slip stitch the foundation chain at 44 and then chain 3 and DC in the round. Just a suggestion.
@hayleypulliam79634 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful!!! Thank you very much!!
@SigoniMacaroni4 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome!
@Andy-tz2jw2 жыл бұрын
This is an inspiration for me and Im planning on starting to crochet so this is really helpful:)
@robloxadventures5495 Жыл бұрын
Love it! I am a dancer and we use leg warmers to prevent injuries! I am definitely going to make some :)
@marykemp11623 жыл бұрын
You explained this so well. The video was so helpful. I can't wait to try it.
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you found it helpful! Share your finished leg warmers with me when you're finished! You can tag me @sigonimacaroni across all social media, but I'm most active on Instagram and inside my Facebook group ❤️
@lamiaaesawi1792 жыл бұрын
Awesome🌹 Thank you for your perfect explaintion
@samiamisme5 ай бұрын
For your support stitch in beginning that combines both ends to make a circle...are you going into the middle of the top of the chain 3, or are you going underneath it before you yarn over? I always thought a slip stitch went under the stitch, but this looks like you're going through the middle of the stitch. I've already pulled my work out three times because I keep getting off my stitch count, or I goof up a stitch. Now, I'm scrutinizing every step. I'm determined. 😁 Thank you! 🥰
@brittb283Ай бұрын
I have the same exact question I’ve replayed that part 100x and the same happened to me I think I added another stitch using the chain as a stitch. There are also a few instances where she doesn’t say to add a ch1 at the beginning of the row and just did it so I totally missed the action on camera but I also have the pattern on my phone so I double check. Mostly it’s me not reading it properly or not paying attention and adding a stitch where there doesn’t need to be one. 😂
@IDontSuckAtLifeakaJanis3975 Жыл бұрын
Tip: working into the back bump of the beginning chain makes for a stretchier edge. Similarly, using a foundation double crochet row which will also provide stretchiness.
@kristenshiell40202 жыл бұрын
Love mine. Thank you! So comfy and cute.
@galeaumiller43253 жыл бұрын
I Love leg warmers
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Me too!
@rioseven73062 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Great pattern and very easy. One thing I can’t figure out. How long were your leg warmers? I think my yarn was thicker so I did less repeats. But I am curious what length your finished product was?
@gofigure66533 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much.That was beautifully and clearly explained...l am so looking forward to trying it.I do like the pattern too.Kind Regards xx
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad you found it helpful! Share your finished leg warmers with me when you're finished! You can tag me @sigonimacaroni across all social media, but I'm most active on Instagram and inside my Facebook group ❤️
@JennySimon2062 жыл бұрын
Just starting the pattern now. Great. I had some fisherman's wool already so this is great. Boot cuffs for the extra is there is enough? I am small so they will be shorter for me hopefully. How tall are you? Your calf measurement and leg length would be great.
@JennySimon2062 жыл бұрын
Are you measuring the widest part of your calf or the top where the top of the leg warmer sits? I am guessing thickest part since it has to go around the wider part later on. Then again they stretch and are slouchy. Maybe that is the slouchy part?
@JennySimon2062 жыл бұрын
So I am on round 9. I adjusted the size and removed 8 stitches. It is pretty snug but still fits. I am wondering if I should have tried just 4... How snug are they supposed to be? Thought slouchy. The original is Def too big. I am petite. My calf measures 12 - 12 1/2 inches at widest. Curious your calf measurement. Hmmm.. Do I commit or start over and see what I like.
@يامنكوباني2 жыл бұрын
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@rockein3 жыл бұрын
eady to follow, good explanation and good design 💕
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@JeleCROchet3 жыл бұрын
Love it! Thank you🤩 Can't wait to start😊🥳
@radharathore78333 жыл бұрын
I made for my daughter watching ur video they r not so perfect like urs but I learned.thank you so much.i wanna show u pic of mine to u but I don't know how
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! I bet they look great. You can post them in the Facebook group or send them to my email hello@sigonimacaroni.com ❤️
@Mrs.Christopher6163 жыл бұрын
I would love the ending of each row shown as that is where I get stuck.
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Hi Kaylie, I'm not sure what you mean. At the end of each round you should be slip stitching to the first or turning chain of the round. If you want, you can send me an email at hello@sigonimacaroni.com with a photo of your work if you think you're doing something wrong. Let me know!
@karinvanrooyen87253 жыл бұрын
This is so beautiful 💕
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@lauallende28672 жыл бұрын
Love it!
@shantihutheram95062 жыл бұрын
Excited to learn how u crocher.
@leonier32823 жыл бұрын
Could I make these in acrylic rather than wool please ?
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Yes of course you can 😊
@leonier32823 жыл бұрын
@@SigoniMacaroni many thanks 🙏
@angelayejinshin2 жыл бұрын
How would you make this if you wanted to added buttons down vertically (essentially so I can take them on and off easy)
@kamelhamida51533 жыл бұрын
Thank u so much for this pattern What is the size of hook my dear?
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
You’re welcome! A 5mm hook is needed
@savannahgibson30984 жыл бұрын
Where did you get your measuring tape?
@SigoniMacaroni4 жыл бұрын
Hobby Lobby!
@savannahgibson30984 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Your warmers look beautiful.
@SigoniMacaroni4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! ❤️
@madelinedrummond90013 жыл бұрын
I have to pull mine to the brink to put them on over the foot is that normal? One they’re on they’re perfect
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't too hard for me to pull it over my foot. They may be a little too tight. But if they're perfect when on, then they may stretch over time and work out!
@livieegee Жыл бұрын
Does the type of yarn affect how Cleary I can see my stitches? I’m using acrylic yarn instead of wool and it’s a little difficult for me to see my stitches.
@mardougherty61183 жыл бұрын
please explain sizing ...my measurement is 15.5 inches . i don't understand the take measurement minus 3.5 and then do you add the 1 plus 3...how many inches or stitches...i am so confused
@samiamisme Жыл бұрын
I'm confused as well. In your fc you began by making 47 stitches. Does this mean that your measurement around the calf was 10"? I was trying to backwards plan what number in inches you started from to end up with 47. 47-3=44-3.5(so they're snug)=40.5, then round down to 40 so it's a multiple of 4, then divide by 4=10". Did I figure this correctly? My measurement was 16". Would my foundation chain be 15? [16-3.5=12.5 round down to 12, then 12+3=15]. This just seems very little ro be accurate. Does 1" = 1 stitch? The more I think about it the more confused I make myself. Math😵💫 thank you for your help!
@user-ye8zk8ku7s11 ай бұрын
13:31 I am having the hardest time understanding what we are doing here after the slip stitch and ch3. Skipping the first single crochet keeps causing a huge gap in the “seam” at every connection point for all subsequent dc rows. It just looks horrendous. My yarn is not as high quality as yours so I do have trouble equating your stitches with where mine are because mine blends whereas yours stand out separately very well.
@JB.Rochwol3 жыл бұрын
Can you give a link for the crochet hook that you’re using here.
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Yes I'm using a 5mm Clover Amour hook amzn.to/3iIuNiY (aff link)
@faithmonnin50393 жыл бұрын
I was wondering (if you remember) how many yards does the skein have? I'm using a different brand and don't know if I have enough yarn
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
The yarn I used has about 465 yards and I used probably about 400 yards of it
@faithmonnin50393 жыл бұрын
@@SigoniMacaroni ok, thank you!
@caseyauen40142 жыл бұрын
do u have free classes?
@briari09 Жыл бұрын
I use the 64 chain for the leg warmers and they came out so wide !!! I use worsted super saver yarn. I do t know why the came out so wide☹️
@killsyl1953 жыл бұрын
hey is there a way to make the start and end more fitted but the middle part very loose?? thanks for the tutorial btw
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry it took me a few days to get back with you, but yes you can! You can try using the 5mm hook for the cuff and then move up to a 5.5mm or even a 6mm for the body of the leggings and then switch back down to a 5mm for the end cuff. I hope that works out! Come back and let me know if it does 😊
@HJard723 жыл бұрын
To make stripes in this pattern (changing yarn colour), which row would you suggest. The sc in blo, or in the DC rows?
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
I suggest the sc row! 😊 I hope you love how they turn out!
@HJard723 жыл бұрын
@@SigoniMacaroni tried to get it, but I'm not getting the same thing when joining rounds. My stitches don't seem to look "pulled open" like yours. I gave up after pulling out rounds 6-9 four times. Maybe it's the yarn I'm using loops and threads impeccable?
@rachealjohnson27312 жыл бұрын
@@HJard72 U should just follow her pattern instead of trying to do Strips and get All Fancy when you are NOT sure what you are doing
@ukisslover122 жыл бұрын
How many front post and backward post are you supposed to have?? I am very confused. I’m messing up the rows after 5.
@dawnpusey20913 жыл бұрын
How can I get the written instruction, I do not see a link
@lanaismymum59403 жыл бұрын
can i take this as my first project ?
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
This pattern isn't the most beginner friendly pattern, but you can as long as you follow the video. If you find it hard to follow you might want to become more familiar with front post/back post stitches and working in the back loop/front loop before starting this one.
@adelaidedriver9962 Жыл бұрын
Is anyone else having extreme problems with stitch count? I've redone it 7 times now and I still end up with a ton more stitches than I started with after the DC rows. I've made sure I'm skipping the one every 3 and it looks exactly like the one in the video and still, my stitches go up by like 10. I don't understand and I am very close to giving up
@annascarpallini2461 Жыл бұрын
Since you start with 40ish stitches and you're 10 over it sounds like you aren't skipping the 4th stitch. It should be 3 double crochets and then a double crochet in the top loop skipped from the previous row. So when you do your 3 double crochets, a double crochet in that top loop skipped and do the next three double crochets - the loops you're putting you double crochet in should have a stitch skipped in between because stitch number 4 isn't on same row as number 3 it's in the previous row. It sounds like you're doing DC 4 on the previous row but then when you start the next 3 DC you're putting it in same row as the previous 3 DC. So the top row should have 3 DC then essentially as skipped loop as that DC is in previous row.
@annascarpallini2461 Жыл бұрын
I just started the leg warmers. When I got to round 6 (where you start the 3 DC, and then 1 DC "below" - what I did to make sure I didn't increase the number of stitches: I did the 3 DC and then in the next stitch I put a stitch counter (I actually use bobby pins), I then did the DC in the row below (which is the front loop skipped in the previous round) and then I started the next 3 DC in the loop after the bobby pin.
@susiemowery3215 Жыл бұрын
My leg warmer keeps flaring outwards and looks weird… certainly is not growing straight without pulling it apart is their a way I can fix it??
@ssymik3 жыл бұрын
I’m struggling and gave up, could be the yarn I’m practicing with.
@lily-qx2kv3 жыл бұрын
what do u do if u run out of yarn and ur still not done?
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Just add on a new skein making sure to use the same yarn you've been using. If you've never added on a new skein, you can find a video on how to do that here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bYq8aaaLe71rZ6c It says "change color" in the title but you can use this method for adding on a new ball of yarn as well.
@lily-qx2kv3 жыл бұрын
@@SigoniMacaroni Thank you so so much!! :D
@LamphrangRani9 ай бұрын
How many grams does each leg warmers consist??
@HellesBellz3 жыл бұрын
I have a silly question. When you measure your calf, do you measure around leggings (or whatever you plan to wear with the leg warmers) or do you measure the bare calf? Also, could I use 3 weight wool yarn and just use a smaller hook and go from there?
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Yes you can absolutely do that! As long as you follow the same foundation chain multiple. That’s a great question about how to measure. I measured around my bare legs and that seemed to do the trick but you can also measure around your leggings. I don’t think it’ll make too much of a difference. You’ll just want to make sure they fit snug no matter what you’re wearing underneath 😊
@normakennedy7179 Жыл бұрын
Just love your instructions - I am an 82 yr grandma & lost a lot of weight - so my calf measures 10.1/2” and my thigh above my knee measure 12.1/2” please help me with these measurements a I want it above my knee (thigh high) so as not to fall down easily. Going to my gr.daughter’s wedding on Nov.18 at St. Catherines and predicting it will be pretty cold! Brrrrrr!! Thank you.
@yaizschee3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, lovely x
@heatheredwards2982 Жыл бұрын
Made these with an O'Go and they are very plush and squishy
@tylerpistachio6927 Жыл бұрын
Help for ppl who might be beginners and need a little more: (these are the rounds that are repeated a bunch , a tutorial having timestamps for the rounds is usually a very good indicator of the overall quality of a tutorial) round 6 7:30 round 7 9:47 round 8 12:36 round 9 13:26 The times are aprox. This tutorial is not very clear where she rambles a bit and there isnt a clear stop and start . She also assumes slip stich means slip stich + 1 chain. (which she sometimes mentions sometimes not) 10 minutes in she realizes she didnt mention the stitch count which is 45. (unfortunately the written version also has some unclear stuff but use it as support for this video) Overall this tutorial is decent compared to others but its not well structured and its sort of random what she chooses to mention or not. Def not beginner beginner friendly but if youre like an advanced/medium beginner it should be fine. This pattern does have an unnecessary big seam which might be an issue for some. Happy Crocheting :)
@tylerpistachio6927 Жыл бұрын
also the unfocusing of the camera 😅
@michellemedlin45392 ай бұрын
Hook size? I can't find it anywhere in the instructions.
@lorenavelvetАй бұрын
At 00:32 she says 5mm hook, which is also a H.
@lorenavelvetАй бұрын
I'm using a 6mm G because my yarn is thicker. I just resized using her instructions.
@CynnekeSer3 жыл бұрын
Why cant i get it even? Im halfway round 6 and the low loops dont match the 3 DC..
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
It sounds like you’re skipping a stitch somewhere. You just have to be sure you’re counting your stitches and pay close attention to the video
@soursugar32532 жыл бұрын
Stitch Makers: Bobby pins, Safety Pins, Pen Cap, or Paperclip
@barbaramartens1066 Жыл бұрын
A multiple of 4 plus 2! You have 45 stitches, which you can not divide by 4. Why the extra stitch? It only messes up your seam. To get a flawless seam and even "bricks" as you called them, you should stick to a stitch count that you can divide by 4! To do that, you add 2 and not 3 to your starting chain, because as you said, your chain 3 throughout your work counts as a stitch. Try it, it's gonna look so much better. 🙂
@paulaharris8951 Жыл бұрын
44+3 =47 duh
@barbaramartens1066 Жыл бұрын
You're excellent in math, Paula Harris. Have you watched the tutorial and made the legwarmers? If yes, then you should know that your '+3" counts as a double crochet, which makes it 1 stitch. 44+1.... After your chain, your first row needs to have 44 stitches. She has 45, which you can't divide by 4, which means the pattern is off. So, if you chain 44+2, and use 3 chains for your first double crochet, you'll have 43 left. Together, you'll have 44 double crochets......got it? Just trying to help.
@paulaharris8951 Жыл бұрын
I know I'm on my second set and they work up beautifully..excuse me maybe I miss counted..
@barbaramartens1066 Жыл бұрын
DUH! @@paulaharris8951
@renuka.khadka3 жыл бұрын
😍😍😍😍
@chanelflores22783 жыл бұрын
Me encanto, tratare de entender 😅 no hablo ingles, seria bueno que pongan subtitulos en español 😔
@DiStackhouse3 жыл бұрын
where is the link to the free pattern?
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Here you go! www.sigonimacaroni.com/slouchy-crochet-leg-warmers-beginner-friendly-pattern-one-skein/
@kayceegreer44182 жыл бұрын
There's got to be a way to avoid an ugly scar or a seam on the back of a band of some FPDC's
@camiblutube71164 күн бұрын
This is nice, but too confusing!
@summerhippert87413 жыл бұрын
round 6 7:47
@alycampana32413 жыл бұрын
Super easy pattern to follow…..but i’m somehow expanding and forgot to count my rows 😩ugh!
@SigoniMacaroni3 жыл бұрын
Oh no! You may be working an extra stitch at the beginning of your round. Remember that the chain 3 counts as a stitch so you will skip the very first stitch
@KentuckyWoman22 жыл бұрын
I resized to make these for a petite woman. So, my foundation chain was 32 +1+2=35. When you said to count your stitches and they should be 45, mine obviously weren't. But I followed the rest of your video to the T. I double checked and made sure I wasn't skipping any stitches. I tried as best I could to put the single crochets where you showed us to. BUT, at the end of the next row, I didn't end up with the 3 double crochets - I ended up with the 1 front loop double crochet next to the chain 3. Not sure where I went wrong. Help! I'd really like to make these, but I'm about ready to frog and just do another pattern.
@SigoniMacaroni2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried following the written pattern? It might be more helpful to read exactly what you're supposed to do and use the video more for help locating the stitches. You can find the written pattern here: www.sigonimacaroni.com/slouchy-crochet-leg-warmers-beginner-friendly-pattern-one-skein/ If you're still having trouble you can always send me an email or a message on Instagram with a photo and I'd be happy to help.
@butterflymo Жыл бұрын
@@SigoniMacaroni i am having the same issue, if the stitch count is supossed to be (45), the how does the ch 3 count, if we go from 45 an then the ch 3 counts it will be come 46. i also end with a FPDC beside the first ch 3 and if i count and add the ch 3 , i now have 46. i have also followed the written patteren. what am i doing wrong? Please help! The pattern is beautiful.
@cassidy7213 Жыл бұрын
Minutes 4-6 is so hard I’m jst about to give up at this point because it doesn’t make any sense to me
@crystalcarlisle9496 Жыл бұрын
This pattern is cursed to me as well :(
@cassidy7213 Жыл бұрын
@@crystalcarlisle9496It’s really harder than I thought. I’ve become so discouraged unfortunately
@lavonbarney5137 Жыл бұрын
Slow down the video. Might help. I'm struggling as well.
@claudettecontini7681 Жыл бұрын
In the beginning you say 100 percent wool and at the end you say 100 percent Cotton?
@ΜΑΛΑΜΑΜΟΥΖΑΚΙΤΗ4 жыл бұрын
❤️🌹
@lauretteguerbette4040 Жыл бұрын
Oups ! Beaucoup trop avancée pour moi. Dommage ça me plait vraiment ... jusqu'à 12 minutes ça va encore mais ensuite perdue