Silk Road Versus Sea Routes- Sanjeev Sanyal & Peter Frankopan in conversation with William Dalrymple

The idea of a Silk Road linking East and West was first dreamt up by a German geographer in the 19th century and has since become a popular way of thinking about early globalisation, evoking notions of caravans of yaks crossing the Himalayas or camels striding over the desert oases. But has the success of the idea of a Silk Road obscured the importance of sea routes and maritime trade? What better place than the Maldives to reassess the importance of the churning oceans?
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[@shashankjp88]

At some points, it felt that Peter was not confident in his facts but had to defend them anyway since he wrote a book on them😂😂

[@garga2484]

Peter's points are countered quite well by Sanjeev. But, the panel didn't even touch the topic of invasions and the destruction of monuments. That could've given the answer to the question of why isn't there a temple in India as big as Ankor Wat. Bringing invasions could've steered the discussion in a different direction altogether. Perhaps, that's why they didn't discuss it.

[@rexxbailey2764]

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[@upadhyayrathiraj1518]

Prof Sanyal is so correct.

[@sisubk6321]

Even though a historian, it was amazing to listen to Sanjeev' s extempore on the subject. Really enjoyed.

[@vivekagarwal3640]

Huge respect for Sanjeev Sanyal

[@pspsdan]

Great port city of Tamralipta is today's Tamluk, inside mainland West Bengal today. In Bengali literature, lots of mention of trade voyage from Tamralipta can be found. Indian coastline is not static. The sedimentation brought by rivers are continuously adding new lands and moving the coast line away, even creating new islands.

[@murthykrishna3834]

Similarly Port Poompuhar in TamilNadu was doing 10000 years of sea trade before it went in to the sea after tsunami.

[@yj9032]

Sanjeev, William and Peter on the same stage !!!

[@literarymusings8886]

But in Maldives 😢 which has got to be boycotted

[@yj9032]

​@@literarymusings8886these things are planned and organised many months in advance

[@literarymusings8886]

@@yj9032 why don't anti national urban naxals like you shift to Pakistan?

[@KumarSangeeth19]

Amazing to watch a Great Economist speaking so fluently on History! Great!

[@umaneelakantan9327]

He's very knowledgeable across disciplines. No silo mentality . Exhaustive n expansive his breadth n depth of knowledge. Huge Respect. For Sanjeev Sanyal Ji

[@mudrakumar]

45:02 Peter being sneaky and poking Sanjeev by making William repeat the word ‘myth’. 🤣🤣

[@rohitrane1900]

William seems to keep interrupting the speakers flow.

[@apurbabhattacharjee6251]

Truly amazing.

[@vishaldehade7515]

Oh...great session 🎉

[@moorching]

Enlightening conversations

[@tushar4evr776]

That point about "Bali Jatra" is true. It is celebrated even today in Cuttack.

[@neerajamb]

What a fascinating conversation:)!! ❤

[@msomayya2828]

Awesome 👍

[@mridulagrawal6687]

Probably d best video out of jaipur lit fest ever

[@akashtiwari5729]

Such insightful discussion ✨️🌟 appreciate the manner in which William carries this conversation 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻

[@spookyargument7537]

Even today land route trade pales in comparison with maritime trade

[@concsciousvagabond9422]

Wow. Would you imagine a time when we would look at the white man for legitimization while they would go largely unchallenged, and now comes a time finally where they tend to look so shallow and superficial as compared to the native brown historians oozing in confidence from their scholarly work of real gravitas. Bharat indeed has come a long way. Lest we forget this is only the beginning, prepare for some pushback as they start sweating down their colors.

[@noneoftheabove666]

14:01 Recent genetic studies give an opinion that Sri Lanka was populated by the people of Western Coast of India. Sinhalese are more closely related to Marathas than Bengalis. Also, the Sinhala references to lion is very interesting. Lions did not exist in Eastern parts of India, while lions exist in Western India to this day. Geneticist Razib Khan had written a bit about this. Also, Sinhalese were not the first people on the island. Vedda people lived there already

[@umaneelakantan9327]

I think Lions existed all across the Indian Subcontinent ..except till very recent times.

[@noneoftheabove666]

@@umaneelakantan9327 Nope, there is no evidence to show the Asiatic Lion's range crossed Central India. It has always been restricted to that region. Unless there are some new findings in the future.

[@dheerajraj5367]

Peters book was actually written by chat gtp

[@umaneelakantan9327]

Many are unaware that Indians have long adapted very intelligently to Topographical and Geographical as well as Tectonic changes to this Geography...Culturally.. Our Indigenous peoples across this entire region know extremely well how to mitigate these problems from the grassroots level ...Our Cultural Knowledge transcends all barriers of language diversity, societal and social strata and hierarchy .. ... etc We are the World's Most Living Visible Example of a Successfully Sustainable Civilisation and Culture

[@benimadhavmohanty7426]

Great

[@PuneetBhela]

Someone please introduce PowerPoint to these educators, so they can visually explain using maps side by side 😂😂. Just kidding, great talk, love it.

[@rushtyin318]

This Dalrymple fellow is the typical western indologist, don't get excited hearing him, read him to know the reality.

[@SuperMerlin2005]

I think too much was brushed over in regards the pushing back and loss of, what were coastal cities

[@gopalaraodasari7743]

The one about shells. Have all these been used uniformly as currency. Or could this be interpreted as shells found from waterbodies. I think this requires a bit of debate.

[@Olive_Chap]

It's good to see our own Sanjeev is pushing these western historian otherwise in next 4 generation 'India' would be reduced to just Brahmin construct in mind of english speaking populous.. one thing that is always consistent with these 'imperialist' is they try to hit at the core of ours.. its funny their ancestor were living with leaves when ours were writing sacred texts.. it's our fault that we weren't able to regain our glory but these 'gora chamris' are the last one to tell me that who were..

[@rakhimukerji7937]

What is stopping you?

[@mukkodan]

People like William Darlymple don't deserve any Indology platforms, period.

[@rakhimukerji7937]

Why?He is a great scholar.

[@euclid2994]

Mungo Man DNA the earliest human evidence 19:40 in Australia was dated at 42,000 years. Sanjeev said the earliest in Australia was only 12,000 years.

[@msomayya2828]

Like America We don't want to be the global police

[@umaneelakantan9327]

Thailand, Japan . And Even Korea... And earlier probably all across the globe before it got wiped out by invaders who proselytised the indigenous peoples there, their Shakas n Tribes ..by force.

[@ventrax2869]

From the western people they want conclusion. There is no conclusion to the past, only opinion.

[@msomayya2828]

We are like America We hope people can settle their own problems

[@AnarchistDoc]

Like America 😂😂😂

[@PushkarBajpai]

45:12 William had to jump in to save Peter's misguided point lol

[@rajbaniwal3236]

Hindu / Hinduism / Hindutva / Dharmic et al is what is India. If you have to contextualise it, it’s like EU but starting about 3-4k years ago. The Western lens is about “territory” controlled. Dharma is “where people follow Dharma”. And “Dharma” isn’t “Religious”, it’s morals and codes.

[@lifeofrai8742]

Its more like purpose.

[@rajbaniwal3236]

@@lifeofrai8742 Depends on what the purpose is.

[@shevashevasheva777]

you guys left out volcanoes

[@msomayya2828]

We don't want to get involved we have enough problems

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[@thesureshsharmashow2871]

डैलरिंपल is bloody pimp.

[@ushabhende4040]

Small audience, hardly any lndian.

[@dnarayanaswamy9207]

Ramayana and Mahabharata are not myths as Mr Dalrymple suggests...they are in fact history....all the places and names of people still exist, though sometimes corrupted because of the influence of foreigners....

[@noneoftheabove666]

Not a great counter. Spiderman lived in New York City, that doesn't mean Marvel Comics is based on real life.

[@lifeofrai8742]

Thats not logical. If you have mythical characters and magic powers then its a myth. Location doesnt matter.

[@lifeofrai8742]

@@gargvanit well then this fits the definitiin of non christian.and myth in English. But it doesnt fit the definition of history in English. So you cannot use the word history.

[@lifeofrai8742]

@@gargvanit Dont make it about me. Its about the definition of history and the definition of myth. As for being colonized, you are talking in English on American platform following Christian calendar wearing western clothes. So colonization is not your problem. Your problem you are misusing the term history and when confronted making it about me. My mindset doesnt change the definition of history. But your mindset is changing the definition of history.

[@alokpramanik7634]

Sanjeev ji tried to put brahminical theory in fore. All puranas written much later part of 13rd or 14 th century

[@animesh7296]

Ao Science Journey ke Chale, Koi Proof hai, ya sirf hagna aata hai.. Gupta Period me to puri ramayan hi carve ki hai. Greek ke Vishnu Stambha lagvaya. Pusphamitra ne BC me 840000 tumhare BUddhist stupa thore. Norflox T.Z. khaoo, apne diarrhea ke liye.

[@AnarchistDoc]

Indeed Brahmins are blinded by their hegemony. Rationalism and Pragmatism cannot be expected from them,like the case of Iraq's Al faw port, India had first mover advantage but they let China take it due to their differences with Turkey to favour the failed IMEC to bootlick US and Xionists. Brahminism is threat not only to Indian democracy but also to our foreign policy. Even Bhutan don't listen to India today.

[@concsciousvagabond9422]

Hope you detox your mind of the colonial drudgery. Get well soon.

[@mlg1279]

Puranas talk of topics - the Vishnu avatars, Shiva, pilgrimages, which were much older than Buddhism

[@suryanarayan848]

the popular trinity historians on stage

[@preethibhardwaj8400]

William is not a historian!

[@raavi005]

William Dalrymple is a snake

[@umaneelakantan9327]

Nothing "Pre Historic" about Indian Culture. Everything Historic. From Millennia..

[@ruthnaswamy4741]

Sanyal is a bureaucrat and economist who is diving into his story, somewhat flaky on history unless some one in his party is digging up details

[@SB-bf3no]

Daryl is wrong and he is anti-hindu 😅. Sanjeev is not good in counter argumentative narratives.

[@yj9032]

Facts don't care about your feelings

[@SB-bf3no]

@@yj9032 what facts? All doctored ones and idiots like you believe in it. Bloody jokers 😅

[@RONAKkedia-px8cw]

​@@yj9032FIRST OF ALL WHO ARE U YO JUDGE IT IS FACTS??

[@AshishBagade-hv4el]

@@RONAKkedia-px8cw Exactly they are not facts but manufactured evidence incidents with heap upon heap of manufactored WESTERN evidence

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